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  • Teens Are Short is supposed to be a trope that occurs when a series depicts teenage characters in general being shorter than adults, even though people in real life often hit their adult heights in their teenage years. Live action films or TV series do this by hiring shorter actors while animated series' will draw teenage characters shorter than adults. This is generally done to show a difference in power dynamic. Remove any examples that do not fit this definition; the trope is often misused to say that a specific teenage character in a series happens to be shorter than other characters in the series, even other teenagers. It's often found on character pages when this isn't intended to be a character trope.
    • Clean up on-page examples.
    • Clean up wicks.

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Teens Are Short is supposed to be a trope that occurs when a series depicts teenage characters in general being shorter than adults, even though people in real life often hit their adult heights in their teenage years. Live action films or TV series do this by hiring shorter actors while animated series' will draw teenage characters shorter than adults. This is generally done to show a difference in power dynamic.

The trope is often misused to say that a specific teenage character in a series happens to be shorter than other characters in the series, even other teenagers. It's often found on character pages when this isn't intended to be a character trope.

I performed a wick check back in 2021 and while a couple of examples have fallen off, the pattern remains consistent. The results from the wick check back then:

  • Correct Use: 11.8%
  • Teen character who is just short, or the shortest in the cast: 45.1%
  • Other Incorrect use (averted examples, ZCE, really another trope like Height Angst or Older Than They Look): 35.3%
  • Unsure: 7.8%

I can't imagine the misuse has gone down drastically since the wick check and doing a quick comparison of the examples against the Teens Are Short wick list, most have still remained.

Possible solutions: Not sure, to be honest, since the misuse is so rampant. The name could be updated to address the Reality Is Unrealistic aspect and make the power dynamic and taller = older aspects more clear. Something like Teens Are Unrealistically Short, but less wordier?

A clean-up on misuse would likely wipe out most of the wicks, Though I get the feeling this trope is pretty common.

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This is a wick check for Teens Are Short.

Teens Are Short is about series where teenagers (in general, not just one character) are depicted as being shorter than adults, regardless of medium, even though this isn't the case in real life due to people hitting their full height during their early-to-mid teens. It is often misused to identify a teenager character who is shorter than their peers. The results of the wick check are as follows:

  • Correct Use: 11.8%
  • Teen character who is just short, or the shortest in the cast: 45.1%
  • Other Incorrect use: 35.3%
  • Unsure: 7.8%

Wicks checked: 51/51

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     Correct Use (6/51) 
  • Film.Rebel Without A Cause: Most teens are played by shorter-than-average actors, such as 5'7" James Dean and Dennis Hopper, 5'5" Sal Mineo and 5'1" Natalie Wood. Corey Allen at 5'10" is an exception, but he's not especially tall either.
  • KimPossible.Tropes S To Z: Despite being seniors and probably past puberty at the end of the show, neither Kim nor Ron pass an adult's shoulders note  in terms of height.
  • Manga.No Matter How I Look At It Its You Guys Fault Im Not Popular: Adults tower over the predominantly teenage cast without fail, even teenagers in the 17-18 age bracket. And poor Tomoko is dwarfed by most of her own peers.
  • Podcast.Actors Life Podcast:
  • Series.Greek: All of the freshmen (Rebecca, Rusty, Calvin) are shorter than their "bigs" (Casey, Cappie, Evan). Averted with Lizzi, who's shorter than most of the ZBZ sisters even though she's older than all of them. Don't think the Lizzie bit fits. The rest seems okay, though being in a college setting may be pushing it.
  • VideoGame.The Sims 2: Teen sims are shorter than those at the adult stage. Though young adult sims (seemingly about 18-21) are just as tall as normal adults. The teen stage does include all of puberty, though, and since the sims don't grow within individual stages, it would have to be somewhere in the middle of the range (so it wouldn't look weird growing from Child or to Young Adult/Adult) and is thus reasonably justified.

     Incorrect Use - Teenage character who happens to be short, or is the shortest in a cast of teens (23/51) 

     Incorrect Use - Listed as averted, teenage character is at least as tall as an adult. (5/51) 
  • Characters.CDT Characters KM: Lists two characters as averted examples because they're around the height of adults.
  • Characters.Com Media: Lists an averted example.
  • Characters.Gemstones Plumbers And Hunters: Yatsuhashi Daichi. The example on the character discusses teens in general in this fanfic being shorter than adults, which would make more sense on the main page. The character is listed as averting this though.
  • Characters.Motorcity: Averted with Mike, Chuck, and Dutch, who are about as tall as most adult men; played straight with Julie and Texas. The image on page doesn't actually depict Julie and Texas as being that much shorter than the other three characters.
  • Characters.The Otherworld: Savannah Levine.

     Incorrect Use - Other (13/51) 

     Unsure (4/51) 
  • Characters.Despicable Me The Gru Family: Margo. She only turns 12 by the 3rd Despicable Me film. A 13 year old boy is also shown being this short, but for Margo, is this possibly Pint-Sized Kid instead?
  • Characters.The Nostalgia Chick: This seems to talk more about the actress's height instead of any kind of story-telling convention.
  • SelfDemonstrating.Damian Wayne: On the one hand, he's 14 years old at 5'2"-5'4", but this seems to just be one character in the Batman universe. The page got removed
  • Toys.LEGO Friends: The entry on this page states that the Lego characters seem to be the same heights for adults and teens, though adults are taller in the show. Seems more appropriate on the Friends page or the entry could be rewritten.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 17th 2023 at 5:17:39 AM

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#51: Aug 12th 2023 at 7:10:57 AM

I'll see if I can help finish this up. Rught now we're below 800 wicks.

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#52: Aug 22nd 2023 at 5:13:47 AM

This just got cut from DungeonKeeperAmi.Tropes Q To Z because it's not comparing to adults enough?

  • Teens Are Short: From the first chapter, the Reaper judges that Ami is a teenager because of her short-ness:
    The human was so short that he doubted she was even fully-grown.

Would this work?

The Reaper expects adults to be taller than Ami is, so he was correct in assuming she wasn't fully grown.

Or since he could also be thinking that she's pre-adolescent, is that working against me?

Edited by Malady on Aug 22nd 2023 at 5:15:21 AM

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#55: Sep 9th 2023 at 4:04:38 AM

Also, I searched through the thread and didn't find any mention of it.

But were all the on-page examples cleaned up? Sorry, I'm kinda busy cleaning up the wicks to check those.

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Sep 9th 2023 at 7:05:01 AM

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#56: Sep 9th 2023 at 10:33:52 AM

At a glance of Short Teens, Tall Adults' history, it looks like they weren't yet.

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#57: Sep 13th 2023 at 3:16:56 AM

If the entry doesn't state that other characters, that the teen(s) is/are compared to, are adults, would that count as a Partial-Context Example? Same can be said if the entry doesn't state the character is a teen.

If so, should I comment it out, remove the example

Also, would characters above 18 but below 20 count as adults, in this case? Or do they need to be ≥ 20?

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#58: Sep 14th 2023 at 6:37:46 AM

[up] It's best to remove those with not enough context.

As for ages, usually 18+ counts as adults.

Edited by Berrenta on Sep 14th 2023 at 8:38:34 AM

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#59: Sep 14th 2023 at 6:59:33 AM

[up] Ah alright

I think I might have removed a few entries where the adults were 18-19, but it's alright now. Thanks for clarifying.

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#60: Sep 14th 2023 at 8:34:26 AM

It's relative based on ages/how the characters are portrayed. I would consider both "16-year-old shorter than 19-year-old" and "19-year-old shorter than 25-year-old" valid examples.

Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 14th 2023 at 10:34:51 AM

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#61: Sep 14th 2023 at 4:11:54 PM

[up] Well, in that case, should we add that to the trope description?

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#63: Sep 21st 2023 at 6:27:54 AM

[up][up][up] Is it fine if I add this to the description?

Note: What constitutes as the minimum age for adult depends on how they are portrayed in the work; usually 18-19 year olds count as adults. However, a "12-year-old character being shorter than a 19-year old character" is just as valid an example for this trope than an "18-year-old character being shorter than a 25-year-old character".

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Sep 21st 2023 at 9:00:58 AM

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#65: Sep 21st 2023 at 3:22:43 PM

[up] Added it to the bottom of the trope description. Thanks.

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#67: Sep 21st 2023 at 4:06:31 PM

[up]x4: 12-year-olds generally are notably shorter than 19-year-olds. I'd go with 15 or 16 for the younger age, going off these WHO charts.fun fact 

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#68: Sep 21st 2023 at 4:21:11 PM

[up] Alright I can change the 12 year old to 15 or 16.

Btw, I’m currently cleaning up the on-page examples.

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#69: Sep 21st 2023 at 4:57:24 PM

Btw, should averted examples just be removed?

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#70: Sep 21st 2023 at 5:00:08 PM

Uh, probably. It's not all that impressive for a teen character to be tall, especially in a live-action work.

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#71: Sep 22nd 2023 at 5:34:12 AM

Wait, if the OP said it's not intended to be a character trope, should we remove individual examples that only apply to one character, but the other teen characters avert the trope?

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Sep 22nd 2023 at 12:39:09 PM

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#73: Sep 22nd 2023 at 6:45:23 PM

[up] In that case, I believe this trope falls under Tropes in Aggregate

With the bare minimum of at least two or three short teens next to a relatively tall adult.

Don't see it listed under there yet though.

Edit: Turns out, it's not a Trope in Aggregate per here.

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Sep 26th 2023 at 3:19:09 PM

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#74: Sep 26th 2023 at 5:48:36 PM

I'm not really sure if this counts

  • Beavis and Butt-Head. They're shorter than most of the other Highland High School students (save for Daria) and all of the adult characters in the show.

That's just three teens (Beavis, Butthead and Daria) that are short and they're stated to be shorter than others. Should this count?

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Sep 26th 2023 at 12:49:00 PM

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#75: Sep 27th 2023 at 7:50:52 AM

That sounds more like a "protags are visually distinct from everyone else" sorta thing.

Trope Repair Shop: Teens Are Short
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Consensus was to rename Teens Are Short because the trope is supposed to be one that occurs when a series depicts teenage characters in general being shorter than adults, but a lot of examples lack the comparison between teenagers and adults. What should the trope's new name be?

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