Hate Sink cleanup

Let's take care of this:

• Rosario + Vampire: Gyokuro Shuzen is the head of the anti-human terrorist organization Fairy Tale. Holding a grudge against Akasha Bloodriver for stealing her husband Issa's attention away from her, Gyokuro seeks to start a war between humans and monsters solely for the sake of spiting Akasha's dream of co-existence between monsters and humankind. Along the way, she conditions her eldest daughter Kahlua into a mindless killing machine, attempts to have her youngest daughter Kokoa killed by her own sister, and takes every opportunity to physically and psychologically torment Akasha's daughter Moka.

Also, the Akame subpage should probably be cut. I think Esdeath, Aria, Youken (unless someone can read the parts he was in) and perhaps Enshin were to be cut. In that case, I'll at least rewrite the existing entries:

• Akame ga Kill!:
  • Prime Minister Honest is a horrible, unforgivable scumbag who runs the Empire from behind the scenes, introducing himself by encouraging the child emperor's torturous execution of a man while mocking him with his intentions towards his wife. He gleefully promotes mass murder, rape and torture be carried out throughout the Empire, and even allows his son a band of evil criminals to carry out heinous atrocities disguised as "justice". When facing Leone, Honest even reveals himself to be a cannibal with a predilection for beautiful young girls. Once things stop going his way, Honest is quick to abandon the emperor and attempt to flee, only to meet a well-deserved Undignified Death when the rebels capture himself and proceed to slowly cut him to pieces, Honest sobbing and frantically screaming for his life to the very end.
  • Syura, Honest's son, proves to be just as vile as his father. He leads his secret police force, the Wild Hunt, in brutal attacks upon the populace, ostensibly to lure out Night Raid, but really just for fun. He even treats the Jaegers, an allied faction, like garbage, raping and killing dead Jaeger Bols' wife and child and following up by trying to rape Kurome, stopped only by Wave beating him unconscious. Upon capturing a Night Raid member, Lubbock, Syura subjects him to horrific torture to extract information, including crushing one of his testicles with a pair of pliers.
  • Champ, a member of the aforementioned Wild Hunt, is a child rapist and murderer who kills children after having his way with them to prevent them from becoming "filthy adults", having inflicted this fate upon a class taught by Run, which led to him joining the Jaegers to exact revenge. He even rapes and kills Bols' daughter on top of her father's grave while Syura does the same to his wife. He also proves to be a coward and idiot, easily lured into a trap set by Run with the promise of children captured for him, and is quickly reduced to begging pathetically for his life when he's at Run's mercy. When he momentarily gains the upper hand, Champ mocks Run with the knowledge that his students screamed for him to save them as they were killed, seconds before meeting a well-deserved death when his flame orb is redirected back at him.

Edited by Clown-Face on Sep 21st 2019 at 7:21:26 AM

You could redirect the entries to the Anime & Manga subpage.

Decided to take another look into mother! (2017).

Who are they? What do they do?

Humanity. In one of the most obvious cases of Humans Are the Real Monsters moral, mankind enters into the house that mother lives in with the already approved Him, otherwise God. In short, shortly after the murder of the younger brother at the hands of his older brother which was spurred on by the older brother being mad over apparently getting screwed over in their father's will, several of Him's fans ransack the house, further complicating matters for mother. One of them happens to jump up and down on a pipe despite mother's warnings, and the house floods (an obvious reference to Noah's Ark because art).

Shortly after becoming pregnant, mother reads Him's latest poem. Before she can really even read it, Him's rabid fans break into the house so they could see their idol. They then do pretty much of everything. They rip out pieces of the house to prove that they were there; they war over how to interpret Him's work; they commit massacres with one having people in lines and shot execution style; a war breaks out in the house. All suddenly grows silent when mother gives birth to a healthy baby boy. Him wants to show him to his followers but mother refuses. So he waits until after she fell asleep to seize his son, and he passes him off to the raging crowd. Needless to say, they crush the baby's neck as they were passing the baby around feverishly. But the most fucked up part is that they then — in deep mourning — cannibalize the baby in a twisted version of the Eucharist.

From there, mother has had enough and she stabs a few with a glass shard before being overtaken and beaten to a bloody pulp. Despite Him's attempts to convince her to forgive the followers, she goes down to the boiler room and sets the house on fire killing everyone of Him's followers. though unfortunately, he lived in the end because of course he did.

What makes them personally despicable?

Everything. Trashing the house and disrespecting mother is one thing. Committing the most horrific of actions that only our kind is capable of is another. Accidentally killing a baby and then eating is just flips the chess board.

Evil Is Cool? Complexity?

There were actually a few moderately good people such as a mother and her son asking her where the bathroom was (and they probably died in the house explosion) and a soldier that tried to protect mother before getting killed himself, but the majority of mankind is depicted almost like humanoid abominations. The film shamelessly basically says that mankind is responsible for contributing to the destruction of the Earth. Really, it almost outright states that in order for the Earth to survive, mankind should go extinct. So, nothing to really call redeeming.

Him’s followers.

Mankind. I was just listening to a certain Randy Newman song ironically enough.

to Mankind.

Even if I kinda hate the films undertones. Blaming all Or most of Mankind for Global warming and environmental issues when it's usually rich people that Cause that problem.

Yeah, I don't generally like movies such as mother! (2017) for the same reason I hated Trash Fire. Too fucking depressing.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Sep 21st 2019 at 9:48:15 AM

I attempted to add the entries on the character pages, but only a few actually looks good on it (such as Freddy Kruger). The rest came off across as overly detailed, often describing who the character is before explaining why said-character is a Hate Sink. Which was fine for the main page where there are no context about the character, but redundant especially when compared to other entries that are much shorter.

It has always been an issue because Hate Sink is in a unique position where it's an objective trope rather than a YMMV trope. Other tropes like Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard only to need to be relegated to the main page and the YMMV page of a work, so there was no need to modify the entries for something like the Character Page.

Edited by Shadao on Sep 21st 2019 at 7:46:13 AM

• Stephen King's It:
  • It is an ancient, vile monster hailing from the Macroverse. Arriving to Derry millennia ago, It awakens every 27 years to feed on Derry's children, salting their flesh with fear. Killing Georgie Denbrough as Pennywise the Dancing Clown, It continuously harasses the Losers Club, including taking sadistic delight in relishing Bill's guilt over his brother's death, and views itself as the supreme being. Even when its views are challenged after its first defeat at the hands of the Losers, and breaks down and bargains for its life revealing it as being just a hollow bully who needs fear to keep itself ticking.
  • Skarsgard's take on Pennywise the Dancing Clown outdoes the original version in sheer depravity. Along with Its crimes from the novel, It also pretends to save a gay man from drowning only to devour his heart in front of his boyfriend. It kills a young girl after promising to remove her embarrassing birthmark, and — to further taunt Bill over his inability to save Georgie — makes him relive it by killing another boy in front of him.
• mother! (2017): In an overly environmental film, humanity proves once again capable of committing horrible acts. Upon becoming fans of Him, they vandalize the house; wage wars over interpretations of his work; massacre crowds; distribute slaves through trading; and in their ultimate act of depravity, they grisly cannibalize mother's baby son after accidentally killing him.

So Chapter Two also adds in the point that Beverly's dad viewed her as an extension of his deceased wife hence his creepy attraction for her. Don't know what to really say there.

Edited by AustinDR on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:37:26 AM

I say add that to the Hate Sink entry.

Also, I don't think the last sentence for the novel It emphasize the Hate Sink aspect. It's typical villain revenge. I would rather replace it with IT's death scene, where he begs for mercy and reveals itself as just a bully and a coward at heart.

I don't want to sound Rude, but could you add the entries to the Charachter Pages anyway? I feel like how good it looks on the Charachter sheet is a bit subjective.

Though I'd suggest editing them slightly so it says stuff like "The more we find out about him" rather then "The more we find out about Supreme leader Snoke"

Hey, regarding Archibald Phillips. I agree he counts...but it is valid to propose Characters from your own work here? I mean, in this case we count Word of God so it actually helps his case a lot.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Sep 21st 2019 at 11:46:26 AM

I say it should be allowed, as unlike the others this follows authorial intent. Its just..boring? I guess? When it happens.

So with It Chapter Two...any other HS candidates. While I would like to mention the homophobes who beat up Adrian Mellon and were indirectly responsible for his death, the issue is that they're more there as being a plot device than actual characters (It awakens every 27 years to an act of violence, ergo that was the reason for the gay bashing). Eddie's mother...kind of contemplating on whether she's a valid case anymore. In the sequel, Eddie marries a woman who was very much as smothering as his mother was (and played by the same actress, no less), and during driving, he calls her "Mommy." With that, it conveys that while Eddie no longer trusted his mom, he still kept her in his life. That, and the first film makes it apparent that she knew that something was wrong with Derry with its disappearing children. Not going to deny that making him believe that he was sick is wrong, but some of it comes off as well-intentioned.

Already mentioned Bev's dad. Tom Rogan...did not care for how the film did the whole Domestic Abuser scenario with him. Like the miniseries, he has a minimal role where Bev escapes him by decking him with different home objects. Here, he goes so far as to try to rape her when she was trying to return to Derry, but again, very minimal role. Don't feel invested enough to EP him. He does more in the book, but I'll probably update that if he already has a HS entry. The pervy pharmacist from the first film returns but doesn't contribute much. Honestly, I'm more convinced that it was just Pennywise in disguise because the miniseries did something similar.

Edited by AustinDR on Sep 21st 2019 at 10:07:02 AM

Dealing with Shin Megami Tensei now, By the way. I think the line about them usually having a rivality with the game's Chaos representant should be cut, but otherwise, the header looks good.

Let's review every guy here.

• Ozawa from Shin Megami Tensei I, a Yakuza punk who extorts money from the townspeople and beats up the Chaos Hero every chance he gets. After the thirty-year Time Skip, he grows from an asshole teenager to an asshole middle-aged man, selling his soul to Mikazuchi, the Japanese god of thunder, to be able to do those same deeds on a wider scale, .

Seriously, the only reason why he isn't a CM is because he's pretty damn absent for most of the plot. He's a massive dick, oddly memorable character. Yeah, he's a easy Yes. Literally introduced beating the Chaos Hero, works for Gotou's millitary dictatorship brainwashes The Heroine and has a small secret police.

• Shin Megami Tensei II has a Designated Hate Sink: Daleth was literally made for the purpose of being your foil and getting defeated in order to cement your status as the Messiah. Ironically, he ends up far better than most of the supporting cast, as his rivalry with you gets derailed when he falls in love with a pretty girl and he ultimately survives by not being your enemy anymore. Conversely, when you find out the truth about Arcadia, it's difficult to not want to kill your "friend" Gimmel and tear the whole sham down.

Gimmel might count, the issue might be that he is a cog in a system...but he's so glad and proud of Arcadia while also showing being a dick himself (and a odd character that seemed to be more important than he was). I might have to review his scenes.

• Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey:
  • Mitra is An Evilutionary Biologist trying to find a way to induce the perfect insanity in humans. He succeeds. Through repeated testing.

Oh yeah, the entry needs a expansion, but Mitra is defintely made to be hated. He has some redeeming traits and he might not fully understand his actions...but he has such a bad personality that he counts anyway.

• Captain Jack, whose purpose in the story is to bring attention to the potential for humans to be just as depraved as demons, if not moreso. Like Mitra, he conducts a variety of unethical experiments on living beings; in Jack's case he tears demons apart and tries to fuse them together, the results not only being horribly painful but also ineffective, and when he catches Jimenez snooping around Jack decides to get his hands dirty with human-demon fusion. All in order to make a meaty profit from his clients.

Easy yes, Jack is the prime Humans Are the Real Monsters of the franchise.

• There's also the angel Mastema, who seems like a standard Law representative, but plays on the Law Hero's insecurities to manipulate her into becoming his pawn, and his Villainous Breakdown on the Chaos route reveals that he doesn't even have noble motives. He does what he does because he wants to please YHVH so he can evolve past angelhood.

Mmmm. I'm not sure, Mastema is self serving but he like...I'm torn on him, he's certainly nasty but dunno if he's this trope. If his SJ version goes, I will be fine tho.

• Tayama from Shin Megami Tensei IV, essentially a somewhat-successful version of Ozawa. He controls the post-apocalyptic Tokyo essentially through blackmail and threatening to stop producing Red Pills, a drug demons can feed off of instead of eating humans, if his authority is ever challenged. He also runs a human farm where Magnetite is extracted directly from the brains of people he's kidnapped, which is the secret ingredient of the pills, and an NPC implies he engages in Wife Husbandry on top of that.

YES. Tayama's entire point is that he's a horrid person that also happens to be the pillar of society. His personal evil is the point of him.

• Shuji Ikutsuki from Persona 3 for using the player as his personal pawn for reviving Nyx. To make matters worse, once the party catches on to the truth, he forcibly takes control of Aigis and crucifies the party with the intent of sacrificing them to Nyx. Mitsuru's father then shows up to confront him, and in the ensuing confrontation, both men end up dead. His crimes get even worse in the Persona 4: Arena duology, in which it's revealed that Ikutsuki was responsible for experimenting on Sho Minazuki, so much of the hardship and tragedy in the games involving the P3 cast is his fault.

Mmmm. Sure? P3 players will likely give the final verdict.

• Persona 4:
  • The Inaba Killer AKA Tohru Adachi original characterization in the vanilla game was meant to present him as this. He's an unrepentant murderer who instigates the deaths of others for his own amusement, and acts like everyone but himself is to blame for how rotten his life is. However, this ended up backfiring horribly and he became beloved within the fanbase for his despicableness.
    • This was subverted though with the remake Golden, which fleshed out his personality as a more sympathetic character beyond the Psychopathic Manchild of the original, or at least established that some of his feelings were genuine.

Cut Adachi. Even in P4 vanilla, Adachi has genuine Pet the Dog moments. The entry acknowledges this, just cut it.

• The highly unstable and insane Mitsuo Kubo murders Mr. Morooka and took credit for two prior murders, merely to get attention. Once confront by the Investigation Team on his supposed crimes, he gloats and laughs himself, completely disgusting the main cast.
  • The anime adaptation expands on his character more, showing Mitsuo going a power trip after killing King Moron, and threatening harm upon Nanako.

Yeah, why not.

Ah, this will be so big it would need it's own section. Persona 5 here

• Much of Persona 5 is about "stealing" the hearts of rotten people who are too irredeemable to change on their own, so this trope shows up in droves. The crimes done by these rotten people also tends to 'hit too close to home' for many players who might have been a victim of similar people in real life, so making them meant to be hated and be as rotten as possible works well to boost the game's popularity by giving them obviously big Catharsis Factor when they triumph over these people.
  • Your team's first target is Suguru Kamoshida, a gym teacher and volleyball coach of the protagonist's school. He lusts after and sexually harasses the female athletes and other students, in particular the quarter-white party member Ann Takamaki, and physically abuses his male athletes. He also deliberately broke Ryuji's leg, ending his career as a track athlete, after coercing Ryuji into punching him, ruining Ryuji's reputation and getting the track team disbanded, all because Kamoshida wanted his volleyball team to be the only good team at the school. In spite of all this, the heroes are still not entirely sure whether stealing Kamoshida's heart is right, so Kamoshida confirms that he's a monster by raping Ann's friend Shiho in retaliation for her spurning his advances, thereby causing Shiho to attempt to commit suicide. Oh, and he tries to get the school to expel the protagonist and Ryuji the moment they confront him about his misdeeds. Once the team realizes that both the school and the legal system will continue to protect Kamoshida no matter what unless he outright confesses, they're finally convinced to risk stealing Kamoshida's heart (and possibly cripple him for life), rather than let him continue these kind of acts in perpetuity.

Kamoshida is one of the biggest Hate Sink in modern gaming, so yeah.

• The third target, Yakuza boss Junya Kaneshiro, isn't much better. He's a pimp and drug dealer who blackmails high school students into doing jobs for him and even tries to force Makoto into prostitution. He succeeds in the bad ending of his arc.

Sounds fine.

• The targets who make your Confidants' lives miserable are mostly an utterly despicable lot, ranging from a couple who've been blackmailing your homeroom teacher to the point of forcing her to overwork in a degrading maid-service job (said couple also literally worked their adoptive son to death), a prominent doctor who ruined a brilliant medical researcher's reputation and forced her into back-alley work solely to cover up his own medical malpractices, an obstructive mother who leeches off her brilliant shogi-playing daughter's achievements while forcing her to pursue a gravure modeling career, and your Mission Control's abusive uncle who's constantly trying to exhort money from her (and your) current caretaker, to just list a few. You'll have to steal the hearts of these assholes if you want your Confidants to have a happy ending, and while doing so (by confronting their Shadows in Mementos), you will have a lot of opportunities to tell them that they're absolutely horrible people and that they're going down.

Those Targets would need individual EP-s, thought it sound many will count.

• The last Mementos request you get that isn't tied to a Confidant is for Shiro Asakura, a corrupt idol manager who is by far the most wretched of your non-storyline targets, putting some of the Palace rulers to shame. How, you ask? He's been molesting his charges, succeeding where Kamoshida failed for god knows how long. His Shadow's transformation only reinforces the heinousness of his crimes, as he turns into none other than Mara. You may find yourself thinking how the hell this guy didn't create a Palace of his own by the time you beat him into submission. In fact, he's the only Mementos target that has an S rank!

Sure.

• Masayoshi Shido arguably rivals Kamoshida in terms of sheer monstrosity. He embodies every single negative stereotype associated with a Corrupt Politician; hypocrisy, lack of empathy for others, abusing the justice system to his own ends, and disposing of anyone after they've served their purpose. All for the sake of satisfying his ambition on becoming the next Prime Minister of Japan. Among his many crimes include: Stealing someone else's research on the cognitive world and having them murdered by making it look like a suicide, and then pinning the blame on her child which caused said child to become withdrawn and suicidal. Having the father of one of the party members killed and pinning the blame on the party to divert them away from himself. Abandoning his mistress and their illegitimate son because they weren't useful to his ambitions, and then later manipulating said son into becoming his main assassin. Having you arrested and falsely convicted of a crime simply because you tried to stop him from harassing a woman, and coercing said woman to give false testimony. Needless to say, taking him down is one of the most satisfying moments in the entire game.

Oh fucking yes. He's even a critic of Shinzo Abe to boot.

• While not as monstrous as Kamoshida or Shido, Haru's fiancee Sugimura is definitely made with this trope in mind. As an Upper-Class Twit, he's designed to be extremely unpleasant, misogynistic and abusive, flaunting his 'superiority' over others because he's just damn rich. He views Haru as nothing but a plaything that is more likely to be discarded once he gets bored with her. Clearly he's made like that to show that Haru's life will be horrible unless she takes charge of her own life. Unlike most of the other bastards making your Confidants' lives miserable, you don't even fight his Shadow in Mementos; instead, maxing Haru's Confidant results in the interim executive of her family's company annulling the Arranged Marriage deal off-screen, even though you'll probably wish by that point that you could punch Sugimura in the face every time he appears on-screen.

Easy yes.

• Yamauchi from Ryuji's Confidant, who's fittingly described as a "mini-Kamoshida." He plans on becoming track team coach, although he intends to have an advisor do all the coaching while he takes the credit. He spreads rumors to turn the track team against each other, such as accusing Nakaoka (who'd be in favor of the previous coach returning) of doing Kamoshida's bidding, and while he plans on making Takeishi captain to curry favor with his mother, Yamauchi knows Takeishi isn't all that good of a runner, so he plans on having him suffer a training accident after a while. The only reason why Yamauchi isn't a Mementos target is Ryuji believes he's the track team's problem, so Ryuji exposes his true character to the team, and Takeishi's mother helps thwart Yamauchi's plans offscreen.

Yeah.

...Persona 5 will have a obscene amount of those guys, seriously. I don't pity the souls who will do the EP-s. Pretty much every single antagonist can count, like, there's only two that I see not counting. Wait...

People! I realize why I don't like P5 concepts!

This will be a collaboration piece between me and DemonDuckOfDoom.

What's the work?

Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer is a dramatization of the (alleged) crimes of Real Life serial liar Henry Lee Lucas and his accomplice, Ottis (spelled and pronounced "Otis" in the movie) Toole. As this is not a Complete Monster EP and the movie is very much a Random Events Plot, I will try to avoid detailing said crimes except for the especially heinous ones (only did so with Mengele because I copy/pasted it from the CM thread), and focus more on Henry's overall unpleasantness. And I'll avoid talking about the second movie, because he's given sudden redeeming qualities and the writer/director isn't the same person as the first movie.

Who is Henry? What has he done?

Henry is the titular serial killer. The movie starts out with a few lingering shots of his victims, with the audio of their deaths played in the background, up until he picks up a hitchhiker and kills her offscreen before bringing her guitar home. He hangs around with his friend and former inmate Otis, a scuzzy drug dealer and implied rapist.

The first time he introduces Otis to murder, he shows a profound Lack of Empathy for him when he's in shock from the crime. When Otis quips that the only other time he killed, he didn't have a choice, Henry simply retorts that he didn't have a choice here, either. And that same inability to empathize pretty much goes for any conversation he has with him, demanding for him not to question his methods. Otis complies, probably in part because he's dumber than Henry.

Once they get their hands on a camcorder, Henry watches and records a murder in the park while just casually sitting back and teaching Otis how to be a "proper" killer. Shortly after, they break into a family's home and kill them all while taping the whole thing.

In the climax, after narrowly deciding against killing an old woman and her dog, he returns to the apartment and witnesses Otis raping his own sister, Becky, and attacks him. The two then stab him to death, and Henry attempts to console Becky, but only ends up snapping and yelling at her to settle down before he dismembers Otis.

He and Becky flee the scene, with him showing no concern for her whatsoever as she tells him she's scared, and putting his plans to go to Santa Barbara to hide out before her wish to go visit her daughter and grandmother. They stay the night at a motel, and the last we see of them, Henry drops a briefcase containing Becky's dismembered remains on the side of a desolate road.

What makes him personally despicable?

Aside from that he was based on an Attention Whore wannabe Serial Killer? Well, he's got the trademark Lack of Empathy, and he might be a bit of a hypocrite, given that he orders Otis not to rape his victims, despite that a few of his victims were shown at least partly naked, suggesting he either had sex with them consensually or he actually raped them.

Evil Is Cool traits? Freudian Excuse? Complexity?

Evil Is Cool traits? Really? That's adorable. No, the guy's a loser. He's a pathetically average everyman, and pretty dim-witted to boot. As the tagline says, "He's not Freddy. He's not Jason. He's real."

He claimed that his mother was a prostitute who forced him to watch her have sex with her johns, and frequently beat him, eventually culminating in him murdering her in an argument on his fourteenth birthday. But while this is pretty close to the real Henry Lee Lucas's childhood and the murder of his mother, it's left vague as to whether he's telling the truth or not. He's indecisive as to how exactly he killed her. First he told Otis that he beat her with a baseball bat, then told Becky that he stabbed her, and then told Becky he shot her.

As for complexity ... a good chunk of the movie is shaping up Becky to be a Morality Pet to him. He's always nice to her up until the end, even relinquishing his room to her and showing disgust over Otis' incestuous tendencies towards her. But at the end, that doesn't really make any difference. Nor does his politeness to most people he talks with (he's more Faux Affably Evil than "True" Affably Evil).

While Otis is a horrible person and fully deserves the chewing out that Henry gives him and then some, Henry is the last person who should be doing it. After all, he's the one who ended up turning him from a small-time dope dealer and rapist into something even worse.

Authorial intent?

Again, "He's not Freddy. He's not Jason. He's real." That should speak volumes.

There is an instance where the audience is intended to root for him and Otis, when they kill a Jerkass fence, but otherwise, nothing says we're supposed to like him.

Verdict?

Keeper.

Edited by Stellarvore on Sep 21st 2019 at 1:31:11 PM

It and Norman

New proposal, from Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.

Who's the candidate?

Otis, former cellmate and current roommate of drifting Serial Killer Henry.

What does he do?

Even when letting her stay to escape an abusive husband, Otis regularly pervs on his own sister. He eventually witnesses Henry killing a couple prostitutes, who takes him murdering for sport. However, Henry has to regularly stop Otis from raping their female victims because he doesn't want any DNA left at the scene. His worst act is when he and Henry murder a family and film it—having gotten the equipment by killing a fence, of course—where Otis basically does everything he can to sexually assault the mother without outright raping her. Eventually, Otis gives in and brutally rapes Becky, for which she and Henry kill him.

Personally despicable?

Incestuous creep who starts murdering people For the Evulz and sexual pleasure, eventually descending into rape. Eventually even Henry, who is an easy keeper himself in the first film (despite the frankly insulting addition of redeeming qualities in the sequel), gets sick of his shit.

Redeeming qualities?

He seems to care for his sister, if a bit too much, at first, but ultimately rapes her. He was traumatized by his first murder, but gets ocer it quickly. Otherwise, nothing.

Verdict?

Henry and Otis.

Anyone else on Norman ?

Mannfred only received one vote, it bears mention. I don't know whether that's based around abstains or whether he just got swept up in the other effortposts. I've got a final Warhammer Fantasy candidate soon, as well, before I move on to some real fantasy Big Bad types.

Yes to Norman.

Manfred.

I'll give yes to both. Sorry if I was partially to blame. Just wanted to get the Big Clown Shoes in the Room out of the way.

Henry and Otis.

Abstain on Henry due to his status as a Villain Protagonist. How many times do you have a work that wants you to hate the main character?

It's not unheard of for the protagonist to be intentionally loathsome; Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist is a trope for a reason. That said, it's possible for a non-comedic protagonist to be a Hate Sink.

And a yes to Otis. Honestly found him more revolting than Henry.