These are what we call the 'YMMV items.' Things that some people find in this work. We call them 'your mileage might vary' because not everyone sees these things in the same way. This starts discussions in the trope lists, a thing we don't want. Please use the discussion page if you'd like to discuss any of these items.
YMMV: Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog
Accidental Aesop: Going through the book's history, it seems that many of the problems could've been avoided had certain people learned to live and work better with others, understood that their value systems need to change overtime, or just let go of their grudges with certain characters. Sally follows this when she talks to the Prowers and forms the council, but many of the councilors didn't let go of their grudges with the royal family or Freedom Fighters.
Accidental Innuendo: Almost certainly unintentional, but still: Lupe comes from the word Lupa, which is Latin and means either she-wolf, or, well...
Arc Fatigue: It's generally agreed that "Iron Dominion" overstayed it's welcome. Some are willing to forgive for setting up the epic "Genesis" story arc, but this is far from universal.
Archive Panic: It can be hard to get into the comic at first because of it's vast, complex backstory developed over 200 issues, any one of which can be referenced at random in a newer issue.
Though thanks to the retcon, it provides a good jumping on point without having to worry too much about history. Though how long that lasts...
Author's Saving Throw: Ian Flynn's fans believe he has managed to pull off a lot of these, especially regarding plots left dangling or satisfied unsatisfactorily by the previous author.
A few also see the post-Sonic The Hedgehog Mega Man Worlds Collide issues this as well, essentially saving a comic that had many of its characters and lore ripped out by flip-flopping the focus from SatAM material to Sega material and a lawsuit from an embittered ex-writer.
Geoffrey St. John.. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start.
Broken Base: Seasonal Rot is largely the cause of this. Where did the Dork Age start? Where did it end? Did it end? Was Sally's Chickification justified, or was it a hideously huge breach of established character just to sink the fanbase's largest ship? The typical benchmarks are that the series started to decline after Endgame, took a full-on nosedive during the Bem/Xorda arc, and has only started recovering since issue #160 with Ian Flynn being head writer.
The reboot's set of a whole new schism among fans between those who like it and those who don't.
Canon Sue: Though he was accepted by most of the fanbase, Knuckles started turning into this after a while. Being part of a vast lineage wasn't the end of it, he eventually came to have an important prophecy associated with him and took on powers that allowed him to warp reality as he saw fit. At its peak, Knuckles started to eclipse Sonic in importance, and one storyline set in the future revealed that Knuckles destroyed Robotnik, who was Sonic's main villain and rival. Add onto his his previous friendship and relationship with Sally, and you get the distinct impression that Knuckles had pretty much taken over the comic. Recently, however, they've started to balance this, with Sonic taking the reins back as main character, and him, Tails, and Knuckles being defined as Mobius's quintessential Power Trio.
Continuity Lock-Out: The first couple of issues of Sonic Universe have this problem. #1 gave such a quick summary of Sonic Rush Adventure that only people who played the game knew what was going on. Also, #1 continued from Sonic X #40 (a whole different series), which continued from Sonic the Hedgehog #196, which was part of a large story arc from the main series. #2 was an adaptation of Sonic Adventure 2 (probably an attempt to explain how it did fit into the continuity, as the original adaptation didn't really tell the reader much of anything about the game's story or how it fit into continuity), but would probably be pretty confusing to anyone who didn't play the original game.
This may be why the Sonic the Hedgehog comic offering for the 2009 Free Comic Book Day was more of a lengthy synopsis about the characters and the story than anything else...
It should be noted that they can't get too into the Sonic Rush side of things, as they're apparently forbidden from using Eggman Nega beyond a few ominous references. ...And one "Off Panel" strip.
There's also Bean The Duck, an insane Cloud Cuckoolander duck who throws bombs at everything and loves shiny things, and Captain Metal, a crazed version of Metal Sonic who has become a stereotypical pirate that makes hilariously bad jokes and puns (such as saying that Blaze and her allies that their acting crabby right before revealing that he's given himself a ridiculous crab body) and plans to take over the world using the dimensionally displaced Wily Egg (renamed the Egg'O'War).
Creator's Pet: A character was introduced named Tommy Turtle, a childhood friend of Sonic that had never been mentioned before, but had once taught him a valuable life lesson. He died in his first appearance while performing a Heroic Sacrifice to save Sonic, but about a year later was revealed to not have actually been killed and was brought back. Unfortunately, after bringing him back, the writers didn't seem to have any real idea what to do with him, and attempts to make him more relevant (such as having him become infested with nanobots, causing him to develop Transformers-esque abilities) ended up just appearing ridiculous and making fans hate him. In Sonic Grams while Archie staff admitted that they knew a lot of their fans hadn't liked the character, they'd hoped they could change their tune, showing the clear divide between the staff at Archie at the time and the people actually reading the book. In the end writer Ian Flynn said when compiling a list of the comic's most unpopular characters, Tommy still ranked very high among the fanbase despite efforts to make him popular by previous writers. Tommy was therefore killed off (performing anotherHeroic Sacrifice) and hasn't been seen since.
Different writers have met criticism over over usage of certain cast members. Ken Penders was noted for his expansion of the Echidna brotherhood, which by the end of his run had its population and story background bloated to a convoluted rate. This treatment did not seem mutual with later writers, who decided to limit their numbers and had numerous Echidna characters Killed Off for Real. Ian Flynn however has been noted for his recent usage of Sally Acorn, reestablishing her as an active Freedom Fighter and love interest for Sonic and giving her a fairly notable role in nearly every arc (ranging from main character to prominent supporting character). Granted in both cases there are still a fair amount of supporters, though it's obvious the fanbase is very polarized by their heavy usage in the comics.
To be fair of Sally, up until Ian took over, Sally had been through a major Chickification during the comic's Dork Age, so trying to reestablish her as an Action Girl once more through heavy usage to reestablish what she can do is probably sensible. However Sally, under Ian's and everyone else's pen, gets rather consistent flak for over usage at the expense of other characters and being a rather clear cut case of Positive Discrimination, garnering complaints for being blandly lucid and hyper competent (or at least most attempts at making her flawed being much more superficial than the other characters), her prime role also being to act as The Straight Man as Sonic and punctuate his negative qualities. The fact Ian released a blog consisting of nothing but how awesome a character Sally is doesn't help much.
As for Knuckles and the overexpansion of the Echidna brotherhood, a lot of it was due to the fact that Ken Penders just would not look between the lines over what could be done with Knuckles, instead seeing him in a carte blanc state so he could make his own world instead of building off of Sonic. His devotion to the characters has gotten to the point where Penders has proclaimed that he was the reason Knuckles became so popular, going so far as to proclaim that Sega was trying to focus more on Sally than Knucklesnote While it is true Sega was trying to bolster up Sally in some way around '96, whatever plans they had never surfaced and that Knuckles had major pushes over the years without Penders' help.. It's also telling that the man refuses to use other people's characters other than his own and outright refuses to acknowledge what others have done to his character.
Derailing Love Interests: A problem the comic had, along with the Romantic Plot Tumor below. Cliff Notes version: Sonic and Sally were always in a Will They or Won't They? plot until Mina Mongoose was introduced, then became a Third Wheel for about a dozen issues before Sonic and Sally hooked up... for all of five issues before Sally broke up with Sonic and he found himself being slung around to every other girl around before stopping with Fiona, who then broke up with him to go with his Evil Twin Scourge. Then, after Sally spent some time with Monkey Khan, they finally rehook back up... only for Sally to get roboticized.
Ensemble Darkhorse: Among the comic-only characters, Scourge has a large following (his girlfriend Fiona Fox and the rest of the Suppression Squas are a semi-case too through association), as do Mina Mongoose and Dr. Finitevus. The fandom rejoiced when Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts were revealed to be returning after more than 100 issues of absence.
Nicole, Sally's handheld A.I., had been an ancillary character since almost the beginning of the comic. Then along came Tania Del Rio's "Stargazing", which gave her a Mobian form and sent her popularity right through the roof — and Nicole subsequently catapulted to Major Character status, overtaking even longstanding characters in the fanart department since her debut and never halting since.
Shard the Metal has become pretty popular as well.
Epileptic Trees: There are many fans who believe that Lien-Da and Finitevus were involved at some point during the X Years Later timeline, and that he's the father of her son Rutan (this being mostly due to the fact that the tips of Rutan's dreadlocks are white, like Finitevus' fur.)
Evil Is Sexy: Lien-Da. A sexy as hell Echidna girl in skintight leather and a habit of whip wielding? What's not to like here?
The Iron Queen has more than a few fans too. As does Finitevus, Scourge, Fiona, and (disturbingly) Snively and Eggman.
Nicole's lynx avatar doesn't look half bad. Iron Nicole looks even better.
Franchise Original Sin: A lot of the problems with Ken Penders and Karl Bollers's run (too many plot points, too much focus on people other than Sonic, inconsistent art, etc.) later down the line can be traced back to their critically acclaimed earlier days (storylines like "Endgame" and "Metal Madness" are considered excellent to this day). The difference is that back then, the two weren't engaged in constant petty fights with each other over the comic's story direction and the Echidnas weren't Ken's pets. That coupled with the lack of a solid threat or plot now that Robotnik was dealt with, caused the comic to slip into it's infamous Dork Age.
In Sonic Colors, Sonic lets out a Badass Boast that no copyright law in the universe could stop him. As you can see, so far, the comic's still going.
Harsher in Hindsight: From his first introduction Silver mistakenly thought the Freedom Fighter Traitor was Sonic to counter his first sega in game appearance. His Second guess was really made in Sonic Universe 6 where upon realizing the Freedom Fighters disbanded because Queen Sally thought they were no longer needed. Silver guess this but for the first and only time he thought he was wrong. Fast forward a couple hundred comics later and it turns out he was somewhat right.
Holy Shit Quotient: High during the wham episodes and milestone issues, but the "Endgame" and "Countdown to Chaos" story arcs stand out in terms of sheer HOLY SHIT inducing moments.
Hypocrite: This applies to Sally, Knuckles, Antoine, and Geoffrey in terms of calling Sonic immature, obnoxious, and needing to grow up.
Sally has been a princess for an incredible amount of time and never just ascends to title of Queen. Contrary to all the obligations that goes with it nothing says she can't be a queen but lead the Freedom Fighters ( her father was king and led and army into battle.) She also never steps up and challenges her father but instead chooses to whine that his choices are unfair instead of calling him out and talking to him like an adult but as his little girl.
Knuckles often calls Sonic obnoxious and having a big ego but knuckles himself is no easier to deal with. His entire training as guardian basically made an anti social hot head who sees everyone even children as enemies and always resorts to his fist than to reason. That being said he's miles better than the rest of his family as he actually tries to help everyone.
Antoine calls Sonic ego centric and does not play well with others which is sometimes true but Antoine isn't any better. He himself had an ego for a time and in all honesty Sonic has earn the right to brag about himself. Considering he runs head first into battle against tyrants that put him as number 1 on their shit list and never backs down or is intimidated. Antoine can only dream to get that far.
Geoffrey is the worst among them. He lost both his parents which made him easy to manipulate by Naugus, but here's the kicker...SO HAS EVERYONE ELSE. He's not the only person to lose loved ones. Sonic has had the displeasure of fighting his and other peoples' loved ones and having to break terrible news to people but he learns to move on as there are more important things to worry about. That's impressive considering that in one of his jaunts into alternate dimensions he had to kill that world's version of his own father. Another comes in as Geoffrey is honestly very insecure and has issues with envy. He never fully gets over his jealousy of Sonic's love-life with Sally and successes. This started when Sonic was teenager and he was a grown man and to this day despite being married and having a life he still has some hate towards Sonic.
Arguably even Sonic himself to some degree. While he retains his "like the wind" ethics of the games counterpart, he tends to be one of the Freedom Fighters most wary to others stepping out of line or not listening to him, in some cases bordering a tantrum prone Control Freak. Add to that he has an inconsistent attitude to pacifism and forgiveness, while he has considered sympathy even for his mortal enemy, Eggman at times, he held a rather lengthy violent grudge against Silver for his rather tasteless (and badly timed) approach to heroics.
Idiot Plot: Done at times, most frequently (but more intentionally) in the earlier comical issues. The Iron Dominion arc in particular dangles a long time for the same of climax build up, relying too much on the entire Freedom Fighter squad being blindly overconfident enough to give the villains blatant advantages (eg. letting Snively go free and ignoring his activity after Eggman's defeat (despite his usual track record), oblivious to the harm a super powered techno mage may have on a city completely composed of artificial life). Sally at least has the decency to Lampshade these were exceptionally stupid moves afterwards, but all the same, surely someone else had enough brain cells to see it coming.
Internet Backlash: As mentioned below, the entire Ken Penders debacle. To the point where many fans had believed that, when they found out many characters were getting yanked, that nearly everyone would be getting yanked (re: anyone not created by Ian Flynn or established through other media). While the number of established characters lost is staggering (179, according to the Mobius Encyclopaedia), it's not everyone.
It Was His Sled/ Late Arrival Spoiler: At this point, if you don't know that Sally was roboticized in issue 230 then you have been living under a rock. Not that it matters, since in the Retcon she isn't roboticized anymore.
Jerkass Woobie: Strangeasitsounds, you could actually make the case for Fiona. She really does have serious abandonment issues and her self-esteem is such that she'd sooner stick by a womanizing creep like Scourge over Sonic when the latter started to question her loyalty to him. Even Word of God has hinted that she's still not all bad.
Scourge himself gets this treatment toward the end of the "King Scourge" arc, even to the point of shedding tears.
Snively is also a classic example. Nothing goes right for the poor guy in his life, so you pity him...but he brings so much of these problems upon himself due to his treacherous nature, so you also think he's an asshole.
Jerkass Has a Point: In regards to Vector, whose character is not a complete Jerkass just a little rough around the edges, during the Knuckles Comic. Throughout the entire comic's run and a little after that Vector never trusted Julie-Su and openly expressed his discontent with her and was poked fun of by his friends and her despite this. Usually his friends would tell him to chill and that he is just being full of it. Maybe but it doesn't change the fact that Julie-Su and her group did try to kill not only Knuckles, but the Chaotix and innocent people. Julie-Su only left the dark legion because she was in love with Knuckles, not because they were extremist or any thing regarding morality. Considering Vector sees Knuckles and the rest of the Chaotix as his only real family and Knuckles being his very first friend he has full right not to trust her and be worried about his friend especially considering the countless traitors and deception both the freedom fighters and the chaotix have to go through.
This is made especially evident in issue #27 of Knuckles comic where Knuckles gets pissed and attacks Vector for bad mouthing Julie-Su. Despite Knuckles going through what is essentially puberty it does not change the fact the Julie-Su being around is effecting Knuckles and Vector views it as a negative as Knuckles is both acting strange and not like his usual self and Vector is trying his hardest to get back the echidna he knows and loves.
Magnificent Bastard: Mammoth Mogul most certainly didn't fit the bill for this early on, even though he was clearly meant to be one. An immortal cavemammoth from earth's second Ice Age (it's complicated), Mogul was always plotting and scheming, with the writers trying their darndest to build him up with unlikely Evil Plans for the stories. Nothing worked, and his world domination plans failed again and again and again. He spent more time being imprisoned than anything else. Then one day Mogul wised up and essentially said to the heroes "I just remembered that I'm immortal. So here's my new plan: I'll live in this sweet casino I just had built, amuse myself by taking pot shots at you whenever I can, and wait for you all to die of old age. I can beat you by outliving you."
He's often been blamed for the dissolution of Sonic and Sally's relationship in issue 134 – Karl Bollers wrote that issue. Ken himself was surprised and would've gotten them back together in later issues.
The recent lawsuit with Archie has led many, MANY fans to believe that he sued Archie and specifically asked for the removal of each and every character he created, thus leading to the derailment of the Endangered Species arc AND the most recent (and controversial) reboot of the comic. Here are the facts: Archie Comics sued first, and whatever happens to the Penders characters from here on out is likely a result of Archie not wanting to spend the extra money (sans Ian Flynn and other art/writing staff, who were simply caught in the middle).
In reality, Penders was seeking royalties for reprints of stories he wrote/drew, as per copyright laws, and because he felt said work was plagiarized into Sonic Chronicles. Archie counter-sued, saying that Penders had signed a contract which made this impossible, which led Penders to take it a little further. It's been established that he owns the copyrights to the majority of the characters he created (Knuckles, excluded, obviously), and can use them in his upcoming graphic novel series, The Lara-Su Chronicles so long as the characters and setting do not resemble anything Sonic related. (The reaction to this revelation and the promo art has faced Internet Backlash for a laundry list of reasons, but let's not get into that.)
Penders has stated that Archie has the okay to use any of his characters as they see fit, so long as they a) pay him a fee like they do with Sega, b) consult him about plans concerning Julie-Su, Lara-Su, and Locke, as c) his ''Mobius: 25 Years Later" storyline is made the canon future. While nothing's otherwise stopping Archie from using his characters, it's highly possible that this last option is the straw that broke the camel's back; Sega's been adamant in not having Sonic in a steady relationship and this would have violated that.
Despite Penders having somewhat good yet complicated intentions, it does not change the fact that his demands for the comic can not be met due to legal matters that was set up when he himself was head writer therefore having complete knowledge of said rules cannot not be met thereby making some of the hate towards him somewhat legit.
Thrash has definitely crossed this when he literally made Knuckles the last of the echidnas.
Metal Sonic finally crosses it for good when he seemingly murders Shard.
Robotnik and Metal Sonic cross it yet again in the Mega Man crossover by trying to murder Dr. Light. Even Dr. Wily is disgusted by them after that.
My Real Daddy: Ian Flynn is considered this for Scourge for giving him a cool and distinctive new look and making him into a more intimidating and complex villain instead of the stereotypical Evil Twin he was before.
Some fans go further with this and consider Flynn the real daddy for the comic in general, though this view is veryfar from universal.
Never Live It Down: Many fans aren't willing to let Sally live down the time she slapped Sonic in anger.
Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Silver of the much maligned Sonic the Hedgehog 2006. His comic version is liked a lot more because his personality has been changed to a guy who is not very confident in his abilities as a "Set Right What Once Went Wrong" guy. Silver was like that though, but his comic counterpart is much less annoying about it, and is (slightly) more easy to reason with.
Shadow and Rouge. For the longest time, the comic had no idea what to do with either of them after the Sonic Adventure 2 adaptation (which was only one issue long). As Sonic Heroes was rendered moot due to comic events, using them for that was out of the question and the two would make sporadic appearances afterwards, Shadow working with Eggman and Rouge with Evil Sonic. It wouldn't be until Ian Flynn took over that both performed a Heel-Face Turn and lead into the creation of the much beloved Team Dark.
Romantic Plot Tumor: Plagued the comic for quite a long time. Luckily the comic has since moved on.
Rooting for the Empire: It's easy to root for the Dark Egg Legion. They do take orders from Eggman, but they aren't completely evil, and most of their members seem to be regular Mobians, bar the cybernetics. Given that the heroes are headed by Sonic, who can be a bit of a jerkass, and the Kingdom of Acorn, an incredibly ineffectual monarchy that can barely function, it's no wonder. And they're the only group in the world who don't actively despise technology. A great example is the Great Desert DEL. They were turned into mindless Robian mooks thanks to Unwilling Roboticisation and forced to fight the Sand Blasters, an extremist group of Freedom Fighters. After being turned back into Mobians, they tried to make peace with the Sand Blasters, but where instead hit with Fantastic Racism for being former Robians. In order to survive, they went to Eggman for help, who legionized them. When The Baron, leader of the Great Desert DEL, was confronted about this by his niece, hero Bunnie Rabbot D'Coolette, he responded that being in the DEL isn't so bad. Being legionized means cybernetic upgrades, which in turn make for an awesome health plan, as The Baron pointed out, when he thanked legionization for fixing his "bum knee". He also mentioned something about D'Coolette's being oppressors, which insinuates Fantastic Racism within the Kingdom, making them look even worse.
The Scrappy: Tommy Turtle probably got it the worst, but Dulcy and pre-Character Development Antoine had no few detractors. Mind you none of them had anything on Chris Thorndyke.
Post-Character Development Antoine gets it bad too. The fanbase seems divided whether he was originally an annoying one-note Jerkass, or if maturing his character robbed him of his defining characteristics and made him bland. The poor guy just can't win.
There's also Drago Wolf, a traitor to the Freedom Fighters who was also an abusive dick to his girlfriend and soared over the Moral Event Horizon in "Endgame". He's a massive douchebag and later on joined the comic's resident Psycho Rangers which he promptly contributed absolutely nothing too (in fact he was The Millstone to them). No one likes him in-universe or out and Ian Flynn has gleefully admitted that he only brings the guy around when he wants someone to be beaten up.
So Bad, It's Good: The early comics were pretty much this, being funny due to how lame the jokes were at best. Once it started developing an actual plot, the comic became just straight up good.
Signature Story Arc: The "Endgame" story arc, which is probably the only storyline in the comic that is universally considered great. It's also famous for cementing the transition to plot-driven stories and killing off the original Robotnik.
Strangled by the Red String: Antoine and Bunnie Rabbot were thrown together in Endgame with almost no build-up beyond the same issue they got together revealing that Antoine had once saved Bunnie's life. Thankfully, the relationship was well handled after that point, and it was easier to accept than most examples because neither of them had any romantic chemistry with other characters.
To their credit, though, Antoine and Bunnie did show a subtle interest on each other when they first saw the other way back in issue #3 (with a few panels of difference, mind you, but the fact remains). There was also the backup story in issue #23 which included Bunnie saving Antoine's life on a mission, and Antoine kissing her in gratitude. When reprinted in Sonic Archives Volume 4, the creators acknowledge that story as the beginning of their impending romance.
Worse off is the Echidna race - according to Word of God, echidnas have what is called "the Soultouch" - a Sixth Sense that also acts as a literal Red String for them and that once they've found their soul mate, they pretty much stay together, although there are some exceptions. This is why Knuckles and Julie-Su hooked up only after 24 issues and why he hasn't been broken up with her.
Strawman Has a Point: Thrash admits he doesn't know exactly why the echidnas experimented on his people note it was to fight Mammoth Mogul's Order Of Ixis, viewed as a horrible crime by echidna society, and would've been reversed had one of the Knights of Albion not turned into the second Enerjak and crippled the civilization at the time, thus making his "justice" more like revenge. But between the Brotherhood of Guardians never fighting Robotnik at all, Albion not getting invovled either, the Dark Legion, Enerjak incarnations, and a chapter of the Dark Legion willfully joining Eggman for power (they were trying to recruit the rest of their species into Eggman's army when last seen), he's not exactly wrong in his views.
Mina is depicted as being overzealous and callous for making a public statement about how dangerous NICOLE is and indirectly starting a mass paranoia concerning her. However, as sympathetic as she is, NICOLE was shown to be extremely dangerous as a result of the Iron Queen corrupting her programming, leading to a takeover that led to the Mobians being enslaved and many supposedly legionized (ie. mutilated with cyborg implants). The Freedom Fighters are outraged by Mina's actions and labelled the public as being vindictive, but as she angrily pointed out, people had suffered because of NICOLE, and largely because they were cocky enough to make a huge oversight (it was implied they were taking precautions by that point, though had neglected to console the public about it, and even then it was too little too late for some).
Similarly Hamlin is conveyed as smug weasel who uses a long lived grudge against Sally to try and get the council to persecute her for disobeying orders. However, Sally was the one who created the Council in the first place, and then nonchalantly ignored them when they attempted to make a democratic tactic. When Hamlin pointed out she was undermining their entire purpose (with some other members even agreeing there was substance in this), she gave up her refute and outright blackmailed the Council that she would refuse to help at all. The fact that she so quickly assumed Hamlin only accused out of spite (he had, but he had yet to admit it, and his argument had some ground regardless) and moaned how he could have the heart to call her out only further emphasized her self righteousness on the matter.
While we're supposed to side with Hamlin over his team's being mistreated and forgotten by the Freedom Fighters, despite being an actual team that Sally personally trained, it falls apart because that team was called the Substitute Freedom Fighters. By definition, they go into action when the regular line up can't. Also, his team was led by Larry Lynx, who did volunteer to help Rotor in the past so Hamlin and his teammates could've just asked to help out.
Straw Utopia: It isn't hard to see Mobotropolis (under Ken's penmanship) and Echidnaopolis and Albion as beautiful utopias that only had a few blights to them. Mobotropolis is even more telling as the back stories for the setting tend to paint the kingdom as a peaceful place in stark contrast to the Overlander's Megaopolis, which is shown to be incredibly destructive and polluting. However, under Karl Bollers' penmanship, Echidnaopolis and Albion was ravaged to the ground and, under Ian's penmanship, the rulers of Mobotropolis were seen as idiots who were lead by a mystical force that lead them to make incredibly bad decisions. In fact, even after the monarchy turned into a republic, it was shown that most (four out of seven) of the councilors had some grudges with the royalty. To say nothing that those same four councilors just aren't the kind of people you'd want to have a position of government, having very little leadership experience and possibly questionable mental health.
A rather Fridge horrific example as Mobotropolis, Echidnaopolis, and Albion seem almost afraid of change. Mobotropolis and it's people rarely developed anything new outside of what the Freedom Fighters use and even the citizens want to bring the old Mobotropolis back and never want to develop anything more or integrate more people into it. Echidnaopolis is worse as it never helps anyone but Echidnas grow but ban the use of technology as they see it as evil, ignoring the fact that they not only still use it, but could still advance if they were more careful with how they used technologynote For instance, don't make a device designed to siphon huge amounts of Chaos Energy something that the user wears on their body.. Albion is the worst as it's an echidna only society and believes all echidnas should live their cut out from the rest of the world. They even go so far as to not correct the mistakes they made in the past.
Suetiful All Along: Many are accusing Sally of leaning into this. Attempts have been made to place Sally in a flawed light due to her emotional outbursts, with later strips lampshading her treatment towards Sonic. However, it is only Sally herself that comes to this conclusion, which generally only leads others to sympathize with her Heroic BSODs and comfort and justify her actions. The fact that the current writer released a blog on how wonderful Sally is (notably consisting solely of less than discript positive traits) doesn't help this at all.
They Just Didn't Care: While the writing may be subject to debate, some of the artwork shows that whoever was in charge couldn't really give a dang, with issue 113 and the main story of Sonic Super Special issue 15 being so poorly done artwise that one has to wonder how they even got published in the first place. And then there was a issue in the Sonic Quest miniseries in which they forgot to remove one of the notes left by the artist to the colorist, so there's a hand-written line outside of a panel that reads "REMOVE RED LINE'S" in one of the pages found in the printed version of the comic. It must be seen to be believed.
They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Issue 172 probably holds one of the most blatant examples, in fact, a double. First, after Fiona tells Tails that he can't count on anybody before slapping him across the face, she sets Sonic as her prime example due to him leaving her imprisoned back in the mining camp (in the 28th issue of the Knuckles The Echidna comic). Sonic attempts to overrule her point by starting off with "That's no excuse to..." before ending up in another physical spat with Scourge, along with Fiona just tell him to "shut up already". Second, when Sonic and Scourge confront each other about why Fiona chose to be with Scourge, Scourge points out that the only way for Sonic to be like him would be "one bad day", which causes Sonic to counterattack by pointing out that Scourge would be just like him if he showed "a little bit of selflessness" and "a little bit of decency". Scourge is completely at a loss for words at this point... until Fiona abruptly intervenes and kicks Sonic aside, claiming that he "had [his] chance". She even goes on to put him down by claiming that he's a weakling by holding back and that "it's all about survival of the best".
Issue #108 would also count, having both the original and the new Dr. Robotnik together in the same reality...only to have them dink around for a third of the issue before the old one disintegrated.
This is a big complaint about Ian's post-"cleaning up" works, up to and including the Iron Dominion saga; many plot points he brought up during this time (such as the revolution of the Kingdom of Acorn into a republic and Eggman going insane) had lots of potential for interesting stories of their own, but were notoriously prone to Snap Back fever. In fact, this became one of the biggest reasons, alongside Pacing Problems, for why even die-hard Ian fans like to hate on the Iron Dominion saga.
Unfortunate Implications: In retrospect: One of the most controversial topics of the comic is Rotor's Word of Gay reveal. Ken Penders had indicated on his message board that a major character in Mobius: 25 Years Later was gay. It was possible to deduce that said character was Rotor. However, before anything became official, Ian Flynn took over, and in his version of Mobius: 25 Years later Cobar was brutally killed and Rotor subject to Cold-Blooded Torture. Then, the official reveal came out that the gay couple in question was, in fact, Rotor and Cobar. Oops.
Years later, Flynn commented that he would have approached things differently had he known they were meant to be a couple.
From a certain point of view, the Felidae could qualify; they are a feline race of Mobians whom look far more bestial and animal-like than other Mobians, and have a civilization that has gone unchanged for millenia, all the while having mentioned practicing things such as cannibalism. The Felidae live in what is basically South America, and have an architectural and clothing design-philosophy that tends to bring forth stereotypes of ancient Meso-America and Africa. They are generally portrayed as being primitive and savage compared to other Mobian... so basically, they're a kind of anthropomorphic version of Frazetta Man. While they've been fleshed out a bit since they're debut, it's still a bit of a brow raiser.
Values Dissonance: Covering everything from the systems of government on Mobius to the clothes the characters don't wear.
The Felidae in particular have a lot of this, often tying into their Blue and Orange Morality; they have a culture and society that tends to be pretty harsh by the standards of others, but for the Felidae it's the most natural way of doing things. And that's without getting into their views of clothing... to put it mildly, the Felidae are VERY literal-minded when it comes to official costume and dress; from their viewpoint, what you wear literally determines WHO you are. It's rather confusing to outsiders.
Villain Decay: Mammoth Mogul, Ixis Naugus, and Dr. Robotnik all suffered this at various points in the comic (Mogul's plans always failing, Robotnik becoming a bumbling fool, Ixis becoming crazy, etc.). Fortunately this is almost always dealt with in some way or another such as having them suddenly making a big comeback or being reasoned out of the insanity that caused their decay.