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edited 7th Jul '15 12:42:32 PM by G-Editor

You might. AFAIK, it's the first item in that tree that's wrong. The correct style in that case would be:

• Buffyverse:
  • Angelus
  • Buffy:
    • Caleb
    • Simone
  • Angel:
    • Each entry

In any case, an entry should NOT go "see example below".

• Hellraiser series:
  • Hellraiser: Frank Cotton (who also appears in the second film) was a cruel hedonist before he was taken by the Cenobites. After his escape, he shows no remorse in murdering innocent people to drain them of their vital fluids to repair himself. When his niece Kirsty Cotton finds him, he tries to rape her. He also murders his own brother and wears his skin as a disguise; Frank also murders his accomplice and lover Julia with no remorse. When he's taken by the Cenobites again, Frank languishes in a private hell and sends Kirsty letters begging for help, pretending to be her father so she'll come to save him, solely so he can keep her as a Sex Slave.
  • Hellbound: Hellraiser II:
    • After she’s revived, Julia Cotton, Kirsty’s Wicked Stepmother, after she's revived, gleefully drains people at a mental hospital of their life while relishing in their pain and suffering to restore herself. She feeds her rescuer Dr. Channard to her master to turn him into a Cenobite and tries to kill her stepdaughter and an innocent, mentally handicapped girl as well. When she encounters Frank again, she shows no hesitation in brutally murdering him, showing she's cast off any human attachment.
    • Dr. Phillip Channard, after reviving Julia, happily feeds her his patients. His obsession with the Lament Configuration is so deep that he tries to have patients solve it, so he can observe the Cenobites taking them to eternal torture. After becoming a Cenboite, he becomes Drunk on the Dark Side and sadistically slaughters any living thing he sees, even other Cenobites when they remember their humanity and take a stand against him.

• Buffyverse
  • Angelus, described by one of the most ancient, powerful and evil vampires (Buffy's Season 1 Big Bad The Master) as "The most vicious creature [he'd] ever met," set the gold standard for evil in the Buffyverse, for centuries the scourge of Europe, with countless murders, rapes and torture to his name. When he returned home, fresh from the grave, his little sister who opened the door remarked that he "had returned to her an angel." After slaughtering his family, he adopted the Latinate of angel (Angelus) as his name to mock that comment. Refusing to kill a longstanding nemesis vampire hunter, Angelus contented himself by murdering the man's wife and baby son, turning his young daughter into a vampire to force her own father to destroy her. His self-admitted masterpiece was seducing Drusilla, a pious, tormented girl with psychic powers, murdering her family and driving her to a convent before slaughtering everyone in the walls and turning her into a vampire to preserve his insane, broken work of art forever. When his soul is lost again, Angelus delights in psychologically tormenting his former beloved Buffy's friends and family out of disgust for the human feeling Buffy gave him. The ultimate culmination of this was his brutal murder of Jenny Calendar, leaving the corpse for her lover Giles to find in a parody of a romantic rendezvous. Angelus's evil extended to his hope of awakening a demon to suck all of humanity into a hell dimension for eternal torture, solely for the fun involved.
  • Buffy the Vampire Slayer:
    • Caleb from Season 7's last five episodes is a defrocked priest turned Serial Killer of young women, who uses the trust that people have in him to get closer to his victims, before torturing and killing them. In his first appearance, he guts one of the Potential Slayers and leaves her at the side of the road, as a message for Buffy. He then kills another one of the girls during a battle, mangles the arm of another, and puts out Xander's eye, cracking bad jokes the entire time. He also coordinates the actions of the Bringers, organizing the bombing of the Watcher Council's headquarters (resulting in most of their deaths), arranging the assaults on numerous Potentials, and trying to have Faith killed while she was in prison. A misogynistic sadist, who believes that all women are whores and deserve what he does to them, Caleb is The First Evil's right-hand man, and lives for the oncoming apocalypse, seeing the end of the world as a way to dispose of all those who do not share his mad religious convictions. He also gets a real kick out reenacting his murders with the shape shifting First. Perhaps the most frightening thing about Caleb, however, is that he is human, with nary a Freudian Excuse in sight.
    • Simone Doffler, the Big Bad of the Season 9 comic, initially started out as a rebellious slayer who didn't see the value of the lives of others and believes that Slayers are superior to normal people, and therefore should rule over them. In an attempt to soften her she was put under the watch of Andrew Wells, hoping to soften her; instead she goes rogue and steals a demon to use as a weapon and asks Buffy to turn over Andrew, who she wants to kill since he annoyed her. She also led a small but growing army of rogue slayers who set up base on a small island, where Simone beat up an old woman who gave them food and shelter. Simone's gang would later commit acts of terrorism, including raiding a military base and killing their general, relishing in the fearsome reputation it gave the slayers. Later Simone learned of the zompires, and plotted to find a way to become one and keep her mind intact, for the sole sake of killing Buffy, with which she has become obsessed. To experiment, she feeds her own followers to them. When she learns Buffy's sister Dawn is dying, she manipulates their friend Xander with a chance to save her by finding the deeper well. Her true intention was to awaken the Old One, Maloker, so that he would sire her into a vampire.
  • Angel:
    • Marcus from season 1's "In the Dark" is hired by Spike to extract information from Angel on the whereabouts of the Gem of Amarra, a magical ring that gives Vampires complete invulnerability from harm and their usual weaknesses, such as sunlight. A man obsessed with the "art" of torture, Marcus is rumored to have inspired some of the more favored and gruesome techniques used through history. Serenely, playing Mozart in the background, Marcus falls into a rhythm of torturing Angel, impaling him with hot pokers then asking Angel what he truly wants. When Angel refuses to answer, the cycle begins again, each time with Marcus hoping to truly break Angel and lay his soul bare. He also burns Angel with sunlight and forces him to suspend himself in the air with his chains in order to avoid being incinerated. Marcus is also a pedophile who specializes in feeding on and molesting children, and, after Marcus betrays Spike and takes the ring for himself, the first thing he does with his newfound invulnerability is attempt to murder a group of boy scouts, only being stopped due to the timely arrival of Angel.
    • From season 1's "I've Got You Under My Skin," Angel and his gang try to exorcise a demon from Ryan Anderson that had been causing him to start fires and attempt to murder his own sister. The twist comes when after being ejected from the boy, the demon reveals that it was trapped inside the child's body and the boy was so twisted, cruel, and malevolent that the otherworldly monster was actually afraid of him. Angel barely manages to get to the boy's home to stop him from succeeding in burning his sister alive.
    • Billy Blim from season 3's "Billy" appears to be a normal young man, but he is actually a demon filled with an extreme power of misogyny and had the power to turn any man he touched or who came in contact with his bodily fluids into someone extremely savage and brutal toward anyone female. He had no real reason to be doing this; rather, he appeared to do it only for his own sheer amusement. The fact that the normally very cold and amoral Lilah took him out says volumes as to how horrible he was.

• Stargate-verse:
  • Stargate SG-1:
    • Anubis from seasons 5 through 8 is by far the most evil and dangerous of the Goa'uld System Lords. He was banished by the other Goa'uld for actions they considered unspeakable even by their evil standards. (This is a race of megalomaniacal Puppeteer Parasites who think nothing of torturing their dethroned rivals to death, then bringing them back to life and repeatedly doing it again.) He tricked Oma Desala, a wise higher-dimensional being, into helping him ascend so that he could become an immortal Energy Being, making sure to rub it into her face how she is unable to stop his evil acts. His subsequent plans after his return include repeatedly annihilating civilizations and replacing the Jaffa warriors with mindless super soldiers. After his stable form is destroyed, he starts possessing random people to hold him until their bodies completely decay after a few days. His ultimate plan before he finally got taken out was to wipe out all life in the galaxy with an Ancient super weapon — all of it, including his own race and his army — so he could use the Ancient knowledge he retained to recreate a galaxy's worth of races that would unquestionably worship him as a god.
    • The next Big Bad, Repli-Carter, betrays both Fifth and Carter in very short order, manipulating Carter into feeling sympathetic because Carter believes Fifth was cruel to Repli-Carter. She was merely using Carter's torture experience as grounds to manipulate her. Then, she killed Fifth, not out of vengeance or emotion, but to fuel her ambition to consume the galaxy. When the real Carter showed signs of sympathy, Repli-Carter coldly and calmly, with a strangely static and uncaring version of the mannerisms real Carter would use when comforting someone, told her that Fifth wasn't worth any empathy because he was weak. She then set about wiping out the Milky Way, with her army devouring God knows how many people, ships, and planets. Eventually, she captured and attempted to torture one of Carter's best friends. Despite claiming that the real Carter's emotions and memories weren't meaningless to her, and having 'given her word' that she wouldn't invade earth or kill Daniel Jackson, she promptly did both. So, in short: in the few months she existed she killed her fellow replicator and creator, Fifth; psychologically manipulated and tortured her human progenitor, Samantha Carter; committed galactic genocide; captured and killed one of her progenitor's very best friends and tried to conquer their home planet; and all this in the image of a beloved galactic heroine, with just a little more ambition and a little less sentiment.
  • Stargate Atlantis:
    • Michael Kenmore is a former Wraith who was turned into a human by the Atlantis expedition through a retrovirus cure. After he discovers his true origins, he escapes back to the Wraith and kidnaps Teyla, the sole person who connected with him, to feed on her. He reveals the location of Atlantis to the Wraith but realizes that they will kill him for still being partly human, so he turns to Atlantis to defeat the hive. With the whole hive converted but the Wraith slowly regaining their memories, Michael takes charge of the insurrection and kills another Wraith who might have blown the lid on their plan. Michael escapes, becoming an Evilutionary Biologist who tries to create a perfect race that will be mindlessly obedient only to him and wipe out everything else. He first creates monstrous, Xenomorph-like soldiers by allowing Iratus Bugs to drain human test subjects to death. He later finds a suitable middle stage between humans and Wraith which he dubs Hybrids. He releases a virus on several inhabited worlds that kills most humans and makes the survivors poisonous to all Wraith who feed on them. He creates a clone of a recently deceased Atlantis team member, then tortures and experiments on him for months. He kidnaps Teyla's whole tribe to experiment on them and turn them into Hybrids, including her boyfriend Kanaan. He kidnaps a pregnant Teyla to harvest her baby's unique DNA for his Hybrid project and plans to kill her after delivery. Finally, he briefly takes over Atlantis itself, where he tries to kidnap Teyla and her baby again and blow up everyone else on the base out of spite. When the pair escape, he decides to leave them to their deaths as well before attempting to decapitate an unconscious Ronon to take his head as a trophy.
    • The Wraith "King" or "General" from season 3's "Sateda" is one of the worst Wraith lords that Atlantis has ever encountered. He's a sadistic Blood Knight who commands one of the strongest Hiveships in the Pegasus Galaxy and terrorized their sector even while the rest of the Wraith were hibernating. His unprecedented rule over a Hiveship, which among Wraith derive their legitimacy from being ruled by a Queen, confirms him as a tyrant or even of having murdered his Queen to usurp her place, an extreme taboo among Wraith. Having already participated in the harvest of dozens of planets for centuries, he destroyed Ronon's homeworld Sateda, annihilating the entire population. Ronon's wife was killed in front of him when the Wraith started bombarding Sateda's hospitals. He made Ronon a "Runner", implanting him with a tracking device so his soldiers could hunt Ronon from planet to planet for sport, wiping out any human settlements that offer Ronon shelter as well. He promises the survivors of one such settlement that if they capture and return Ronon to him, he'll leave their planet alone forever. They do so years later, but he harvests them all anyway. He returns Ronon to Sateda specifically to watch him die there, boasts how many of his fellow Satedans he devoured, and organizes a hunt for Ronon by sending in increasingly bigger groups of Wraith hunters while watching the show from his ship. When this fails, he tries to beat Ronon to death himself and feed on him.

edited 8th Jul '15 6:50:12 AM by ACW

Scarecrow. Seems we finally got a version of that character who just goes all out with the psychological horror he's able to conceive and induce.

to Pinhead. 106 gets a "maybe" because the Doctor describes him as "totally alien," possibly meaning human-style morality doesn't apply here?

edited 7th Jul '15 2:34:50 PM by HamburgerTime

"When his soul is lost again, Angel delights in psychologically tormenting his former beloved Buffy's friends and family out of disgust for the human feeling Buffy gave him."

Shouldn't that be Angelus?

Arkham Knight Scarecrow.

Yes, yes it should. Fixed.

I was having thoughts about 106; assuming he has moral agency, and judging by its sadistic nature, that doesn't seem like that much of a problem. to the Hell Priest and Scarecrow, at that. I'll be bringing some more characters and iffy writeups to the table, soon.

I will give a to Arkham Scarecrow, Pinehead and 106.

Regarding other versions of Scarecrow, I assume BTAS Scarecrow failed the heinous standard compared to Joker? Scarecrow did have far fewer appearances, but some his schemes had the potential for high body counts. It all depends on how dangerous his fear toxin was in that show. His first appearance was about him getting revenge on the university for firing him due to his unethical experiments and he sprayed fear gas on a fundraising party at the university (no one seemed to die from that).

In his second appearance he tried to dump fear chemicals on a crowd at a sports stadium to distract Batman (Scarecrow said his chemicals would reduce the crowd to a "stampeded of half crazed humanity, crushing and clawing each other", which seems like Scarecrow expected that dumping chemicals on the crowd would result in deaths).

In his third appearance, he was trying to poison the water supply, would would have exposed most of the city to his fear toxins. In his fourth appearance, he invented a "no fear chemical" that took away people's fears, it turned a man scared to heights into a reckless daredevil and nearly turned Batman into a murderer. Scarecrow was planning to black mail the city, demanding a ransom or he would release these chemicals on the public, though Scarecrow's goons were releasing the gas while he was making demands, so it seems likely he was going to release those chemicals whether he got paid or not.

Scarecrow's final appearance is in a dream, so it doesn't really count, but it does show how nasty his fear chemicals are, with Batgirl being exposed.

So while Scarecrow does have far fewer appearances then Joker, I think you can make the argument he goes beyond standard villainy. I'm not saying for certain he is CM, but maybe he merits another look.

edited 7th Jul '15 4:36:09 PM by Overlord

I don't think he does.

There's one notable scene (partly because it's really funny) where Scarcrow is ranting and raving insanely at the guards and then stops to be friendly (and completely lucid) to Harley before going back to acting like a mandman.

And IIRC there's also a couple of similar Villains Out Shopping moments throughout wherein Crane is a normal, friendly guy toward his fellow inmates.

Edit- And kind of similarly, he's one of the inmates shown being victimized by that Knight Templar guard who becomes the villain Lock-Up, and it seems to be presented in a way that evokes sympathy for Crane and the others (although I'm sure the viewer is undoubtedly also supposed to be aware of the hypocrisy).

edited 7th Jul '15 4:00:08 PM by Hodor2

BTAS Scarecrow certainly sounds like he meets the baseline for this trope. Problem is, Joker is way worse. Granted, this could be a case similar to Katz and Fusilli.

The only problem is that was a really brief exchange, its not long enough to establish a real friendship, Scarecrow could have just been friendly to her on whim.

Not to mention Scarecrow in his third appearance, Scarecrow was poising the city's water supply in tunnels under Arkham, so it seems like Arkham would be affected by his toxins (Scarecrow seems to think it will affect the entire city), that makes doubt whether he really cares about the other inmates, he could just enjoy their company.

As for the Lock Up thing, I'm not sure how sympathetic Scarecrow is supposed to be (in the X-Men animated series, Graydon Creed received a death that made him seem scared and pathetic, but he is still a monster) it could be just decrying the practice of mistreating prisoners in general, regardless of their crimes. That is more of a general moral principal, rather then something that could evoke sympathy for Crane.

I dunno, maybe there is a just enough doubt to save him from being a CM, I still think you can make a decent case for him though, he doesn't have a really good Freudian Excuse like most of the other BTAS villains have.

That might true, Joker does have a far bigger rap sheet, but he also has way more appearances then Scarecow. I don't know how we factor in a villain's amount screen time.

In the Daredevil comics, Bullseye gets far more panel time then Mr. Fear (a character similar to Scarecrow), but Mr. Fear still counts due to what he does with his more limited panel time.

edited 7th Jul '15 4:35:20 PM by Overlord

I've heard in the tie-in comic The Batman Adventures, Scarecrow does has geninue human moments. At least according the DCAU Batman Rogues Gallery page:

• Hidden Depths: The Batman Adventures reveals that, despite all his sadism, he actually does love to teach. A rehabilitative work-release program at Arkham allows him to teach at the local community college, which he enjoys until he realizes that half his students are too illiterate to spell their own names correctly. This leads him to the scheme he employs in issues 4 and 5, where he holds the city for ransom by rendering everyone illiterate in attempt to show the local government the dangers of not reforming the education system.

Granted, it's continuity with the Animated Series is a bit wonky in some parts, and there's no true confirmation of whether the comic is canon with the TV series.

edited 7th Jul '15 4:43:28 PM by Shadao

I don't think tie in comics count, that seems to be a case of All There in the Manual, there is no indication the show acknowledges the tie comics, there was a BTAS comic where Lex Luthor had a beard and red hair, that makes their canon status dubious.

You can't expect everyone who watches a show or a movie to read the tie in materials. Look at the Star Trek reboot, the comics made Nero into a fairly well developed and complex villain, in the movie he is rather forgettable one dimensional bad guy going around blowing planets and blaming Spock for the destruction of Romulus for undefined reasons. I shouldn't have to read the tie materials for the villain to be complex, if your goal is a complex villain in the first place.

edited 7th Jul '15 4:51:50 PM by Overlord

Regarding screentime: Are they as bad as they can be with what they have whenever they do appear? If so, they can count. We were dealing w/ the Buffyverse: The Angel villains are all one-shots. Or Fusilli vis-a-vis Katz. Or Dick Hardly, who was a one-shot.

Totally random aside, but I think it's a pity we never actually meet the person in charge of The Republic of Gilead in The Handmaid's Tale, as I think whoever that is would qualify in spades.

Well Scarecrow did try to release his fear and anti fear toxins on to the general public on 3 separate occasions (once trying to dump fear chemicals on a large crowd at a sports stadium after Batman disrupted one of his money making schemes, once when he tried to poison the city's water supply with his fear toxins to see how it would affect the citizens of Gotham and once he had his goons hurl anti fear gas on to subway stops, likely to show he was serious while trying to blackmail the city.) That is a pretty clear pattern of criminal acts that could resulted in big body counts, the anti fear toxin made Batman willing to kill criminals, I'm sure it would have had a bad affect on a crowd.

Now his first appearance is more of typical revenge story, with Scarecrow wanting revenge on the university for firing him after he started experimenting on the students. But he did expose a university fundraiser party to his fear gas (they seems willing to attack Batman right away, Batman left to chase after Scarecrow, so we don't know what happened to those people).

He also mind raped Batman (3 times), Batgirl and anyone who ticked him off (the school administrator that got him fired, some thug that was following him, the crowd at the university party, etc).

I do think you could make an argument he is as bad as he could be, given his resources, gimmick and screen time.

edited 7th Jul '15 5:15:59 PM by Overlord

FWIW, here's that Scarecrow/Harley moment I was thinking of. A lot shorter than I remembered.

Not sure if it weighs either way, but given these little moments and the fact Crane has a Freudian Excuse of sorts (he was bullied as a kid), I think it's enough not to list him. I mean the Joker notably doesn't have these things.

That's a pretty pathetic Freudian Excuse; still, I'd be lying if I viewed BTAS!Scarecrow as a genuine contender.

There is no indication was bullied as a child in BTAS, one see one short scene of his childhood and it was of him scaring people.

I also think bullied as child is not even close to valid for the stuff Scarecrow attempted to do on the show. Compared to the other villains' Freudian excuses on that show, its pathetic and again even that lame excuse is not present in the show.

Also I think that scene is way too short to be a valid pet the dog moment, I think real pet the dog moment should be more developed then that. Scarecrow could have been polite on a whim, there is no real indication he cares about Harley.

edited 7th Jul '15 5:28:31 PM by Overlord

How does BTAS Scarecrow compare to all the other bad guys excluding Joker?

Well probably before the last season, Scarecrow stood out a bit more, by the last season it seems like half of the villain engaged in some scheme to destroy the city (Mr. Freeze, Two-Face, freaking Baby Doll).

The only thing I will say is Scarecrow tried to do heinious crimes on a more consistent basis then the other villains (3 separate incidents vs. 1 for the other villains).

So I guess whether Scarecrow passes or fails the heinious standards whether his 3 nasty schemes measure up to other villain's one nasty scheme. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to cry into my beer if BTAS Scarecrow is deemed not heinious enough, but I do think he deserved another look. We did reverse some decisions on long standing DCUA villains recently.

edited 7th Jul '15 5:56:00 PM by Overlord

Here is the effort post for Edward Wade from Hitman: Absolution. It's not that long since Wade is essentially the Starter Villain who dies a quarter of the way in, but boy does he leave an impression.

Who is he? What has he done?

Edward Wade is a mercenary in the employ of Big Bad Blake Dexter who is tasked with capturing Victoria, a Tykebomb and Agent 47's morality pet. Wade serves as The Brute and had been previously employed in Columbian drug cartels before working for Dexter. Wade can most accurately be described as Chaka from Black Lagoon as a Dirty Old Man. Wade spends his entire screen time constantly belittling everyone around him and being as sexually crude as possible. Wade embarks on this kidnapping with Lenny, Dexter's mentally challenged son. Wade constantly insults Lenny by calling him "Limp Dick Lenny" and generally being as unpleasant as possible.

What actually defines Wade as being a truly sociopathic monster is when he orders his men to massacre all the nuns and other personnel at an orphanage and threaten to kill any of his men who refuse to follow orders just to get to Victoria who is receiving medical care there. Lenny tries to impress Wade by holding the head nun hostage and Wade responds by goading Lenny into killing her. When he does accidently shoot her, Wade simply mocks Lenny for being upset about it. When 47 confronts Wade, he taunts him about what he plans to do to Victoria, and, should he kill 47, he says he plans on raping 47's dead body. Even as he dies, Wade's last words are asking why he has an erection.

Any mitigating factors?

Wade has no Freudian Excuse or any redeeming qualities, and the only possible issue might be the heinous standard of the work. In truth, he does outshine every other villain in the game and likely the series. Blake Dexter loves his son and The Saints, the only other group to perform a massacre, all have valid Freudian Excuses.

Final Verdict?

Considering the series doesn't have a Complete Monster yet, Wade is the perfect candidate. Wade stands out as being a truly petty and disgusting villain in a series full of asshole victims.

edited 7th Jul '15 5:57:55 PM by LoreDeluxe

He sounds gross but I'm unsure if he's a CM, especially since I've heard the protagonist of this series is quite the bastard himself.