Hindsight Cleanup

It can be Hindsight and OBC, but I don't know if the entire show is OBC, because even putting the time limit aside, most people aren't identifying Tuca & Bertie as "the show with an alleged sex criminal."

I saw someone bring this up for Destroy All Humans! 2 ages ago elsewhere but I was curious if it would count as a valid entry or a stretch, or potentially controversial. Or there might be context missing because the series has a ton of historical injokes.

• Scanning hippies in Bay City might cause them to quip that the best thing about feminism is that "the gains we've made can never be rolled back by reactionary wingnuts". In 2022, the US Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade, which was widely seen as a blow to women's rights.

I think the event is too recent. And yeah, it’s a bit of a stretch. Cut it.

It isn't an actual entry though, it was a hypothetical write-up based on one person's thought.

Regardless, don’t add it.

Found this on HarsherInHindsight.Film:

• Film/Grease: The ending of the movie version, in which Danny and Sandy get into a restored Greased Lightning and seem to fly off into the sky was already a head-scratcher, which led some fans to theorize that Sandy had actually drowned at the beginning, the movie was her Dying Dream, and her and Danny flying away marks her "moving on". After her actress, Olivia Newton-John, passed away from cancer in 2022, that scene (not to mention the whole "Sandy is dead" theory), becomes somewhat tragic; not helped by Sandy waving goodbye to her friends (and the audience) in the last scene.

Edited by fragglelover on Sep 24th 2022 at 10:18:57 AM

That sounds like some serious Fanon (and I'm not sure there is a more stereotypical case of it than "they were dead the whole time").

I don't think Fanon applies to the hindsight tropes anyways.

It's actor mortality either way.

From The Shining:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • Jack Nicholson plays a homicidally insane character named Jack and at one point, is threatened with a bat.
  • Also, he quotes The Three Little Pigs before chopping down the bathroom door. Some years later, he'd play a werewolf.
  • Jack telling Wendy that "I'm not going to hurt you. I'm just going to bash your brains in." Jack Nicholson would play the Joker some years later, then some decades later the Joker would go in the opposite direction and say "I'm not going to kill ya. I'm just gonna hurt you really, really bad".
  • Stephen King initially hated the movie. Years later, he makes a cameo appearance in It: Chapter Two, another adaptation of his work...which includes a Shout-Out to Kubrick's The Shining (a "Here's Johnny!" reference).

This all looks like actor "garbage".

There's shoehorning and then there's the insane gymnastics required to make whatever that is up there fit. In one movie he wields a baseball bat, which becomes funny because he was later in Batman (named after the flying mammal)??

I say cut them all.

Saw some on YMMV.Postal 2.

• Harsher in Hindsight:
  • Paradise getting nuked may be harder to ponder after a deadly fire mostly destroyed a town of the same name in northern California in November 2018, followed by a flash flood hitting the region.

Might just be a coincidence? The Paradise the game's set in is in Nevada.

• You have the option to kill Gary Coleman (canonically, he dies whether or not you kill him), which, if you killed him, has the Postal Dude ask his wife how much an autographed book can sell for. Remember this game did star Gary himself, and was made before his death. The Paradise Lost expansion shows that he got better, even leading a cult of midget miners against the "tall ones"... for him to die again.

I believe this is actor mortality.

• There’s a sign in the mall reading: “Closed for Renovations, reopening June 2016.” That very month, Christina Grimmie was murdered at an autograph signing in Orlando.

Unsure.

• One of the selling points for Paradise Lost was the reprise of Rick Hunter's role as the Postal Dude, and the description is "No bogus imposters here!" (in reference to Hunter being replaced by Corey Cruise for Postal III). Due to scheduling conflicts with Rick's radio job, the Dude's role was given to Jon St. John for Postal 4: No Regerts. Corey would also reprise the role for Postal: Brain Damaged, as he lost his radio job due to the COVID-19 Pandemic and neither Hunter nor St. John were available.

Leaning on keep.

• The very inclusion of journalist and provocateur Milo Yiannopolous as an NPC in Paradise Lost is seen this way years later, after he caused further controversy for making many racist and sexist comments, before his career ended due to making comments endorsing pedophilia and harassment of Leslie Jones. This eventually got him banned from Twitter, costed him his book deal, and drove away his support base of conservative gamers. These days, Yiannopolous is bankrupt and claims that he is no longer gay.

Remaining as neutral as possible, this isn't hindsight.

The Christina Grimmie entry seems a bit of a stretch.

From YMMV.Pokemon Insurgence:

• Harsher in Hindsight: Zenith's ultimate plan involves fabricating an epidemic and treating people with "vaccines" meant to mind-control them. While it's already a heinous plan, the whole thing feels eerily similar to what many a conspiracy theorist and anti-vaxxer would be claiming about the COVID-19 Pandemic much later.

Is it appropriate to put conspiracy theories in here? Isn't this a ROCEJ violation?

It's COVID hindsight, so we don't even need to look at the conspiracy angle.

Anti-vaxxers were around before COVID. They were the laughing stock of Reddit circa 2019.

(x3) I'd cut it because anti-vaxxers along with conspiracy theorists have existed before COVID.

EDIT: Fixing an arrow issue.

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Sep 28th 2022 at 10:35:28 AM

x4

Anti-vaxxers existed ever since vaccines were invented back when smallpox was a major threat.

Might go through all the Yakuza pages. here's the examples for PS 2 Yakuza 1:

• Harsher in Hindsight:
  • In her dying moments, Yumi tells Haruka to not run away, because her happiness will slip away. In 6, her running away is a major driving force of the game's plot, where her beloved father figure Kiryu chooses to disappear from her life by Faking the Dead after the game's events to protect her, though his reasons are not exactly connected to her running away. Not sure about this one.
  • When Sega was promoting the All-Star Cast featured in the English dub through interviews with the voice actors, Michael Madsen expressed that he wanted his character Futoshi Shimano to return in the sequel in an important role, perhaps joking the game would be called "The Revenge of Shimano" considering the character is killed late in the game. Come Yakuza 2, Shimano indeed appears in a flashback segment, playing an important part of the plot, except with none of the English voice cast returning to reprise their roles. This one is a meta bit. I don't think we do those for these tropes? But I'm not sure.
  • The thrashing that Shangri-La endures in this game (as well as revisiting it in Yakuza 2 and Yakuza 6 in its state of disrepair) is this with Yakuza: Like a Dragon revealing that it was Ichiban's childhood home. Seems like it counts here, unless "thing happens, retconned to have serious implications on another character previously unmentioned" in general doesn't count. Keep?
• Heartwarming in Hindsight: In Kiryu's confrontation with Majima at Shangri-La, Majima kidnaps a call-girl and offers her to be his moll. She refuses, because she's already engaged. Majima is shocked, proceeds to let her go without harming her. Though easily attributed to Majima being a Mood-Swinger, this scene becomes all the more poignant in Yakuza 0, where it is revealed that Majima chose to sacrifice a future with Makoto Makimura, the girl he saved and fell in love with, so she could have a safe future with her doctor who too had fallen for her. This is especially so due to Majima being at his most villainous in this game. Seems completely random. Cut?

Found this in Stand by Me:

• Harsher in Hindsight: In the book, Gordie mentions a trip to NYC in the late 1970s/early 1980s. He mentions touring the Empire State Building, and says "Fuck the World Trade Center, the building King Kong climbed will always be the tallest to me." Fast forward two decades...

Is the simple mention of the WTC enough to characterize this trope?

Obviously not. That's a cut.

Found this on Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Stone Ocean

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • The carrier bird being named "Savage Garden" simply passed everyone's radar... until "I Want You" was used as the ending theme for the Part 4 anime. Made even more apparent by the fact that the band Savage Garden is mostly affiliated with JJBA these days because of it.
  • Foo Fighters was a mass of plankton pretending to be a human. 7 years later, Foo Fighters releases a song named "The Pretender".
  • A rather memetic example of this is the suicidal janitor Thunder McQueen, who while named after fashion designer Alexander McQueen, also has a name strikingly similar to Lightning McQueen, whose movie actually released several years after Stone Ocean.
  • Jolyne's best friend is Ermes Costello. A few years after Stone Ocean, Percy Jackson and the Olympians released, which has a main character named Luke Castellan who is the son of the god Hermes.
  • Jotaro's canon daughter having a Stand with the power to unravel her body into string becomes a lot funnier when taking the infamous JoJo's Bizarre Married Life doujin by CLAMP from six years earlier into consideration, where Jotaro's son with Kakyoin also has a Stand that can unravel itself. Made even funnier by the fact that Stone Free has a random trait of smelling like soap, whereas in the doujin, Jotaro named his son's Stand after a brand of soap.
  • Prior to the anime's announcement, the most iconic animated adaptation of Stone Ocean was a Japanese fan animation in the style of the opening to Neon Genesis Evangelion, complete with "A Cruel Angel's Thesis". A few months after the anime was announced, and at least thirteen (likely more) years after the original animation was uploaded, Jolyne's anime voice actress would do a cover of "A Cruel Angel's Thesis" alongside fellow voice actress Yo Taichi.
    • In addition, the official posting of the main theme of the anime was exactly 13 years after the most famous YouTube upload (linked above).
  • Originally, in Eyes of Heaven, Pucci was voiced by Joji Nakata, who's known for playing fellow Sinister Minister Kirei Kotomine. Come the anime adaptation, and Pucci is now revealed to be voiced by Tomokazu Seki, who's best known for playing Koto's partner-in-crime, Gilgamesh. And before that, he was voiced by Show Hayami, who was Tokiomi Tohsaka, the liaison between Kotomine and Gilgamesh.
  • According to the English dub, the universe begins and ends with Yong, as the fact that Jonathan Joestar was voiced by Johnny Yong Bosch is now coupled with Enrico Pucci being voiced by Yong Yea.
  • Limp Bizkit has the power to resurrect invisible zombies. And come 2021, the same year that Stone Ocean's anime adaptation was released, the Stand's namesake, which had been dead for 10 years and largely invisible to the masses, was suddenly brought back from the dead.
  • Pucci being a Catholic priest becomes pretty apropos when realizing that JOESTAR The Inherited Soul, the event which first announced the anime adaptation of Stone Ocean, premiered on April 4, 2021, which on that year, was Easter Sunday.
  • The second batch of episodes for the anime was set to release on September 1, 2022, which was four days before NASA initially planned to launch the Artemis I spacecraft at the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, the exact location where the final act of Stone Ocean takes place. There were even reports of the countdown clock being frozen in time, as if Jotaro had been using Star Platinum: The World.

Should I just go ahead with my cuts then and move on to the next game?

• The carrier bird being named "Savage Garden" simply passed everyone's radar... until "I Want You" was used as the ending theme for the Part 4 anime. Made even more apparent by the fact that the band Savage Garden is mostly affiliated with JJBA these days because of it.
• A rather memetic example of this is the suicidal janitor Thunder Mc Queen, who while named after fashion designer Alexander Mc Queen, also has a name strikingly similar to Lightning Mc Queen, whose movie actually released several years after Stone Ocean.
• Originally, in Eyes of Heaven, Pucci was voiced by Joji Nakata, who's known for playing fellow Sinister Minister Kirei Kotomine. Come the anime adaptation, and Pucci is now revealed to be voiced by Tomokazu Seki, who's best known for playing Koto's partner-in-crime, Gilgamesh. And before that, he was voiced by Show Hayami, who was Tokiomi Tohsaka, the liaison between Kotomine and Gilgamesh.

I'd say to keep these, albeit move the Mc Queen one to Harsher in Hindsight. I have seen jokes about the other two.

• Jotaro's canon daughter having a Stand with the power to unravel her body into string becomes a lot funnier when taking the infamous Jo Jo's Bizarre Married Life doujin by CLAMP from six years earlier into consideration, where Jotaro's son with Kakyoin also has a Stand that can unravel itself. Made even funnier by the fact that Stone Free has a random trait of smelling like soap, whereas in the doujin, Jotaro named his son's Stand after a brand of soap.

This one's issue is misuse because it really should be on the Jojo's Bizarre Married Life page, if it exists, but the phenomenon is correct albeit backwards.

Repeating a request I made in August:

So YMMV.The Try Guys has a couple of Harsher in Hindsight entries referring to a scandal that occurred somewhat recently. Are they allowed?

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Oct 4th 2022 at 9:06:29 AM