Hindsight Cleanup

Yep. Murderize it. (Whoops, page topper. Was referring to this.)

Edited by Theatre_Maven_3695 on Jul 18th 2021 at 11:47:38 AM

This is on Space Jam: A New Legacy:

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: Al G. Rhythm's villainous plot — to insert LeBron's likeness into numerous films, with or without his consent — gained a bit of uncomfortable Reality Subtext when, the very same weekend as Space Jam: A New Legacy's opening, the documentary Roadrunner: A Film About Anthony Bourdain became embroiled in controversy after it was revealed the filmmakers digitally fabricated audio of Anthony Bourdain quoting some of his written work without the permission of his estate. The fact that it's name is similar to one of the Tunes certainly doesn't help matters.

That's not what Reality Subtext means, and the connection seems too flimsy. Bourdain isn't the only one whose estate was manipulated after his death.

I've never heard of this before but considering that the "weekend" they mentioned is most likely yesterday... it's probably a shoehorn.
I doubt anyone's gonna remember that documentary in a week from now.

Edited by WoodKnapp94 on Jul 18th 2021 at 9:23:54 AM

That reminds me, though, here's what I found while looking back at the old Space Jam's YMMV page...

Space Jam — the 1996 version

• Harsher in Hindsight: The NBA stars' loss of skill is attributed to a mysterious illness which causes concern for the other basketball players' health. This leads to the NBA deciding to cancel basketball for the season. The COVID-19 Pandemic saw the suspension of several sporting events, including basketball. — Yep, this one's going to the shredder. No questions asked.

And following that...

• Hilarious in Hindsight
  • In the last weeks of 2010, blogger Jonah Peretti discovered that the official website for this movie was still up and running, and untouched since 1996. Go forth, and see what the internet was like back in the dial-up era! (as later explained, there was Protection from Editors given the studio heads barely cared about the internet, leading to a much informal language, and many a Easter Egg - for instance, the source code has hidden jokes and Shout Outs such as <!-- Go ahead and jump. Might as well jump. -->) — I have no idea why this is considered "hilarious", I know the fact that the 90s website still exists as an Unintentional Period Piece of how 90s Internet looks like is a bit of a Memetic Mutation, but the way the entry is written sounds like a bad attempt at writing a joke.
  • When Jordan tells Bugs and Daffy to get his lucky UNC underwear from his home, Daffy replies "Your house? In 3D Land?" — Fan Myopia trying to shoe-horn Mario into the Space Jam YMMV page, CUT
  • Not to mention the Looney Tunes themselves appearing in 3D CGI shorts since 2010. — I'm pretty sure 3-D already exists before 1996? Shoehorn.
  • Bugs' line about Lola supposedly being "nuts" about him became this after The Looney Tunes Show came out and reimagined her as a quirky Yandere who has feelings for him from the start and there is even a song about it. — IDK? Sounds like a shoehorn.

There are two other Hindsight items, but they sound somewhat legit, so I'll leave them out atm

Plus, the Looney Tunes were 3-D way before 2010. The same year Space Jam came out, Marvin the Martian in the Third Dimension was released.

• From Pokémon Rusty:
  • In the Battlehaus episode, the owner teaches Rusty about "Stacker Battles" as one of the many battle styles available in the facility. It involves stacking 3 Pokémon together, then having them battle against one another... which is essentially the concept behind the battle system for World of Final Fantasy. Fan Myopia. This competition is just the classic game of shoulder wars, but with Pokémon
  • Rusty's true talent of being a cook instead of being destined as a Pokemon trainer foreshadows Uwe Boll's real talent of being a chef by opening his own restaurant after his retirement from film-making. "Character is discovered to be a great cook" is such a generic story...

Cutting both examples unless someone objects.

On AlternativeJokeInterpretation.The Simpsons, Maggie Simpson's "pox party" is linked to "Funny Aneurysm" Moment.

The Lola Bunny one can stay, as Lola Bunny's personality in the show is of a goofball. She has a song where she constantly stalks Bugs, so yes, she was "nuts" for him.

Edited by Tomodachi on Jul 20th 2021 at 7:58:01 AM

No objections.

Edit: Accidental double post.

Edited by costanton11 on Jul 20th 2021 at 8:14:42 AM

This is the only example on Invasion: Earth:

• Harsher in Hindsight: When the spacecraft crashes in New York, it barely misses the World Trade Center.

Sounds like a 9/11 shoehorn.

Behold, the only example on YMMV.Gil Scott Heron:

• Harsher in Hindsight: In 2010, Scott-Heron released a new album, I'm New Here, containing a song called "New York Is Killing Me." A year later, he was dead.

I'm pretty sure this is another "death in work, then actor/musician died" example. Should I cut(list), or is it legit?

Maybe if he died in New York or if the song lyrics are related to his cause of death.

Well, he died in New York, apparently from either HIV or pneumonia, so maybe?

I'm... er, just going to drop a quick one.

Machete Kills

• Harsher in Hindsight: Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen and Amber Heard have all been accused of domestic abuse. — Borderline ZCE. Does that mean we should feel uncomfortable watching any old movies starring those actors?
• Hilarious in Hindsight: After Kylo Ren's lightsaber with a laser crossguard in The Force Awakens, a lightsaber machete looks downright practical. — Sounds like Star Wars Fan Myopia.

This is on Little Bill:

Harsher in Hindsight: In one episode Little Bill says he’s going to have private time with his mother ... not really something you want to hear Bill Cosby say.

For the record, Little Bill wasn't voiced by Cosby...

Slash and burn.

The George Floyd example on YMMV.Bee Movie was readded.

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: In one scene, police pin down someone; said person then says, "I can't breathe!". This is rather uncomfortable after the murder of George Floyd in 2020.

Slice and dice, and if it was re-added after discussion said to remove take the re-adder to ATT.

Dump it.

One of my favorite movies as a kid has... one of the worst Hindsight shoehorns. Ugh.

Anyways, here be Jumanji.

• Harsher in Hindsight:
  • At the end of the book, Judy and Peter's neighbor Mrs. Budwig laments that her sons, Danny and Walter, often start games without finishing — shortly before the boys take Jumanji from the park. In the Zathura book, the game indeed gets cut short, but not because the boys lose interest in it; instead a black hole sucks up Walter before he can finish bringing Danny back to Earth (although after the black hole sends Walter back to the ending of Jumanji, he convinces Danny not to bring the game home at all). — Sounds like a shorhorn, there's nothing "harsh" for audiences with zero knowledge of Zathura, and zero indications that the movies even took place in the same universe. Cut?
  • The background scenes describing the effects of the giant mosquito bites to unsuspecting victims make it all the more scary when one thinks of diseases such as the West Nile and Zika virus. — Real-life shoehorn. Easily circumcised.
  • Given that Jumanji appears to be directly inspired by Darkest Africa tropes, the mosquitos were already this if the viewer realized the damage that mosquito-transmitted malaria can do. — Same to above. Cut.
  • In-universe, the last words Alan scream at his father are, "I'm never talking to you again!" — I'm thinking of moving this to the main page, under Parting-Words Regret if it wasn't there already.
  • After the quicksand effect is undone, we get a close-up shot of the floorboards becoming solid again and tightening around Alan's head. It's quite chilling after Robin Williams committed suicide by hanging in 2014. — Sounds like another "Actor Died" shoehorn, although the neck-thing is somewhat debatable. Still leaning on cutting.
  • What about the process Van Pelt goes through to get his new gun from the gun shop, ie. all he does is drop some gold coins, and the owner offers to fill out the paperwork and shows Van Pelt a particularly nasty semiautomatic shotgun. Considering the countless mass shootings that have happened since then, that scene is incredibly uneasy to watch; while Van Pelt says he's only after Alan, he only shoots once at Alan and the rest of his shots are fired haphazardly in the store when he's trying to kidnap Sarah to bait Alan, whom he knows isn't there. There actually is a joke about this in the movie, when the owner gets concerned and asks if he's a postal worker in reference to several mass shootings by postal workers in the 80s and 90s. — Another real-life shoehorn on how "this old movie had a gun store scene, and public shootings are more common nowadays, so this makes an old movie retroactively uncomfortable"... oh COME ON! Cut.

• Hilarious in Hindsight: Robin Williams' character here has spent his whole life surviving in the jungle inside the game, without a toilet in sight; so when he finally sees one again after so long he's close-to-tears of joy for no longer resorting to "banana leaves". In 2006, his highly-urbanized character in RV is impressed with resorting to fern leaves, "nature's broom", during his family's outdoor adventure. The fact that his character on that film is probably just making an act and still hasn't experienced doing it out in the wild, and if such is the case then he doesn't really know what he's saying just adds to the humor. Also ironic because both movies were produced by Sony Pictures. —- Maybe this one's an Actor Allusion. Not sure.

Ohh, and more Robin Williams stuff.

Mrs. Doubtfire

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • It won't be the last time Pierce Brosnan played a man who was outsmarted by an elderly British lady. — Not sure, sounds a bit forced
    • On the same note, his getting so flustered by Mrs. Doubtfire's Hurricane of Euphemisms, when he'd start dishing them out himself soon. — Ditto
  • In MAD Magazine's parody of this movie, there's a panel where the judge in the final hearing asks, "And now for the next case: Should the career of Pierce Brosnan be declared legally dead?" Ummmm....no. — This happens in a magazine article completely UNRELATED to the movie. CUT
  • In the "Pudgy and Grunge" cartoon that Daniel is recording for at the beginning of the film, Pudgy at one point says, "Eat your heart out, Meryl Streep" after Grunge has taken him from his cage. And then later, when Grunge is planning on cooking Pudgy, he says "Eat your heart out, Julia Child". Well, guess who Meryl Streep went on to portray 16 years after this film's release? — Julia is a common name, leaning on CUT
  • Billy Madison's two best friends are also named Jack and Frank, and they're very close. — Another shoehorn, CUT
  • The restaurant scene where Stu is choking on the hot cayenne pepper, which he's allergic to, that Mrs. Doubtfire put on his meal (but was so horrified by this, he ended up saving his life) becomes this once you learn that Pierce Brosnan once worked as a professional fire eater. — Not sure?
  • The film features Robin Williams and Sally Field as a married couple. Williams went on to play three different Presidents of the United States (two real, one fictional) in Man of the Year, Night at the Museum, and The Butler, while Field went on to play the First Lady of the United States in Lincoln. — Badly-shoehorned in Hindsight example, easy CUT.
  • Harvey Fierstein was a Drag Queen early in his career. Here, Harvey Fierstein helps a man dress as a woman. — ???
  • When Daniel puts on the "old Jewish woman" makeup, he and Frank sing a bit of "Matchmaker, Matchmaker" from Fiddler on the Roof. Harvey Fierstein would eventually star in the musical a decade later. — Not sure
  • Many commenters who watched this movie as children but have since grown up noted that nobody, not the in-universe characters, the audience, or the Moral Guardians made a big fuss when Daniel mentioned his kids' "Uncle Frank and Aunt Jack", basically confirming they were an openly gay and married couple (and good guys, too) in a kids' movie. — Sounds pretty forced, not sure.
  • Daniel ending up as a successful, wholesome kids' show host makes a quite amusing contrast to Williams playing a Depraved Kids' Show Host in Death to Smoochy. — I'd probably remove this and place it under Casting Gag for the latter film, again not sure

Edited by RobertTYL on Jul 22nd 2021 at 2:21:46 AM

This is not just any ordinary hindsight example, this is one where two hindsight tropes are slashed, with the opening line essentially being "Depending on your political views...":

• Harsher in Hindsight / Hilarious in Hindsight: Depending on your views towards Brexit, the plot points of massive, suppressed unhappiness with Brexit boiling over can come across as either of these tropes in the wake of Labour's crushing electoral defeat at the end of 2019.

YMMV.Not Tonight.

Edited by Shadow8411 on Jul 23rd 2021 at 7:10:32 AM

What page is it on?

Per the ROCEJ, if a Hindsight example hinges on politics, or otherwise can conceivably count as either Harsher/FAM or Hilarious depending on one's stance on an issue, it's neither and a violation of said rule.