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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#28501: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:10:16 AM

I just noticed an entry for Unskilled, but Strong I added to Characters.Street Fighter 6 was removed stating it was not a fit, but they didn't remove the crosswick. I wanted to get additional opinions on it to determine if the entry should be added or if I should remove the crosswick at UnskilledButStrong.Video Games.

     The Entry and Specifics 
Street Fighter 6: Lily is a youthful Pintsized Powerhouse noted to have a lot of power in her, to the point that Dhalsim senses what might be the Satsui no Hado in her. However, she's also noted to not have the same level of skill as other characters with one of Honda's win quotes against Lily being to tell her that the power he senses in her is out of control. Additionally, her Critical Art, which does more damage than her level 3 Super Art, features her flubbing the level 3 Super and landing on top of her opponent entirely by accident.

The crosswick on the character sheet was the same minus some of the early description since people there know who Lily is. The site reason given for removal is: Not a fit. Lily is highly skilled with an unusual weapon, and enters the series fully-formed, going toe-to-toe with everyone else. The dark energy noted by some characters is a form of foreshadowing or Significance Sense and doesn’t mean she isn’t skilled, but has potential to go down a different path.

I'm not sure about "fully formed" but it is true she wields an unusual weapon proficiently (war clubs to make up for the pintsized part of Pintsized Powerhouse). This did make me wonder if I misinterpreted the Honda line. However, it's still a fact that she does more damage by screwing up her attack (Critical Art) than by doing it correctly (Level 3 Super)

Video for reference, featuring Lily's Critical followed by the normal Level 3.

Given the details, would Skilled, but Naive be a viable alternative?

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 16th 2023 at 9:22:34 AM

ElRise I fix my examples all the time from The Dying City (Season 2) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
turbo50 Since: Jul, 2021
#28503: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:39:22 AM

Does the Sudden Death round on Family Feud count as a Tiebreaker Round? According to the rules, the game does not have to end in a tie in order to play Sudden Death. There was an episode where a team entered the Sudden Death round with no points, which meant they had to answer two Sudden Death questions.

  • Tiebreaker Round: Present since the return to Single-Single-Double-Triple. If neither team has reached 300 after four rounds, a Sudden Death round is played with Triple point values and a question for which the #1 answer is typically in the 70s or higher. Whoever is first to ring in with the right answer wins the game.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#28504: Jul 16th 2023 at 11:55:11 AM

[up][up] I don't think either of those count. The Spock is about being committed to logic and reason in all things. The second one seems more like Agent Scully.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 16th 2023 at 2:56:28 PM

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
#28505: Jul 16th 2023 at 3:42:11 PM

From The Summer I Turned Pretty:

  • Ship-to-Ship Combat: Following the release of the first season in 2022, fans who prefer Belly with either brother have gone to battle hard. It's an odd one, as Belly/Conrad is vastly more popular than Belly/Jeremiah, but the former's shippers seem enraged that anyone would like Belly/Jeremiah and so spend a lot of time trashing that pairing. It gets ugly.

I'm not familiar with this show at all. So is it just me or is the bolded part weird to add as it sounds more like Die for Our Ship then two ships fighting?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#28506: Jul 16th 2023 at 6:13:11 PM

Die for Our Ship is about hating a character for getting in the way of a pairing. The example doesn't mention how the shippers feel about the character himself.

RAMChYLD Geek from The Geek Hole (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It's complicated
Geek
#28507: Jul 16th 2023 at 6:34:19 PM

I think Friday Night Death Slot is still a valid example for Northern War. The show was poorly received that it lasted only a dozen episodes. I believe part of the blame is the poor time slot the show was allocated.

AegisP Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#28508: Jul 16th 2023 at 6:36:47 PM

What matters for the trope is that its a FRIDAY, if its not on FRIDAY then its not an example of the trope. Simple as that. Was it on FRIDAY?

That reminds me, there are plenty of examples not on FRIDAYS. If its not on FRIDAY it doesnt count and its just regular Screwed by the Network. That or we need a trope for death slots in general.

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isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Lord of the Blue Star
#28509: Jul 16th 2023 at 7:34:39 PM

Back in June, a few lines of this opening to One Piece's Tear Jerker page were removed under the reasoning they were unnecessary and unrelated. Today they were added back. I am bringing it here to cut off a potential war. The bolded part is what was readded.

Ah, yeah. One Piece. A long-running pirate adventure series where the awesome, the quirky, the over-the-top and the scary all go hand-to-hand in perfect balance. It's also known for having tons and tons of VERY emotional moments that really get to show Oda's fascination for Inelegant Blubbering and Emotional Torque. So much so that underneath the series' narmtastic surface, this is easily one of the saddest, most poignant and most depressing manga there is (to the point of making Grave of the Fireflies look like a picnic at times). Be prepared for all the tissue boxes available (and maybe an IV or two, for good measure), because this series pulls absolutely zero punches in leaving you crying out the New World Ocean whenever you're least expecting it.

Should it be removed?

AegisP Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#28510: Jul 16th 2023 at 7:38:58 PM

Confession time, I have never EVER liked these intro lines, they often come as either haughty or condescending or an unholy mix of both. Nuke it out, if you ask me. I wish we just had an entire policy to remove them all.

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wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#28511: Jul 16th 2023 at 7:42:36 PM

That question might fit better at the Moments cleanup thread.

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
isoycrazy Lord of the Blue Star Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Lord of the Blue Star
#28512: Jul 16th 2023 at 7:47:12 PM

I will move it there. Thanks. Didn't know that existed.

Edit, And someone has already removed the questionable passage.

Edited by isoycrazy on Jul 16th 2023 at 11:08:14 AM

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#28513: Jul 16th 2023 at 8:13:04 PM

And someone has already removed the questionable passage.

That was me.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
AegisP Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#28514: Jul 16th 2023 at 8:13:38 PM

[up] You are doing God's work.

EDIT: Oh I thought it was going to remove the entirety of that introductory paragraph. I really dont like even short lines of introduction. That whole paragraph is total overkill. I really want to propose getting rid of them entirely. Since the Moments pages are my favorite section this would be a thing I would fight to see get done.

Edited by AegisP on Jul 16th 2023 at 8:33:51 AM

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ElRise I fix my examples all the time from The Dying City (Season 2) Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
I fix my examples all the time
#28515: Jul 16th 2023 at 9:55:48 PM

Found this in Music.Kendrick Lamar. Is the example correct?

  • Power Trio: There is one between Kendrick, and his two alter-egos;
    • Kendrick himself is The Kirk, being the person who sees fit to speak his mind when he feel like he should about what is important in life.
    • K-Dot, from good kid m.A.A.d. city, is, until "Poetic Justice", The McCoy, being the emotional, self-indulgent one of the trio who looks beyond the risks and potential harms of his lifestyle that wind up humbling him later on in the story.
    • Kung Fu Kenny, from DAMN., is The Spock, being the figure who, beyond all of his bombastic qualities, knows how to control himself and speak of the right way, no matter how forcibly he has to say it.

Graffiti Wall
AudioSpeaks2 He/Him (Greenhorn) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
He/Him
Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#28517: Jul 17th 2023 at 12:36:24 AM

Reposting again...

I'm wondering if this list from the Mendoza folder on Hitman 3 is more an example of Continuity Nod than Continuity Cavalcade. From what I understand, the latter requires that a bunch of Continuity Nods happen back-to-back in a short span of time or simultaneously and these all happen over the course of an entire level it seems. Also, should this trope get its own page since it's so long? There are other examples of both CN and CC on the main page that could be moved as well.note 

    Foldered for length 
  • Continuity Cavalcade: This level is filled with continuity nods, and it's bordering on Continuity Porn. The nods towards past events and people turn up in very unexpected places in the level too:
    • To Hitman: Blood Money:
      • The level takes heavy influence from the first sandbox level of Blood Money; "A Vintage Year", as 47 kills a white-suited old man on their South American vineyard during a public event (referring to Don Fernando Delgado), and even notes that this isn't his first visit to a winery ("A Vintage Year" is based around a winery in Chile).
      • The Yates's marriage was in 2006, which is also when Blood Money first released.
      • The phrase "A vintage year" is written on a sticky note as a clue for the wine freezer's vault passcode lock (1945).
      • When going round the party for a second time, Tamara may ask if 47 killed Alvaro D'Alvade (Target of "Curtains Down" in Blood Money).
    • To Hitman: Absolution:
      • 47 narrates the Mission Stories in this level, as there's no handler to do so otherwise, something 47 did in the logs section of Absolution where he'd comment on a target or mission and how it affects him.
      • Pointing a gun (or the camera) at Diana will make her comment about having Déjà vu, a reference to the start of the game where 47 shoots her as per Travis' request for her apparent betrayal of the ICA.
      • When going round the party, Tamara will ask about Blake Dexter to Diana and she will instantly give a Cryptically Unhelpful Answer of either that it was a parallel universe or that it explains a lot.
    • To Hitman (2016):
      • You can run in front of the camera and Pam Kingsley in the car park as she's reporting on Vinedo Yates. You can do the same thing to another reporter back in Paris that's covering the Sanguine Fashion Show.
      • One of the party planner waitresses on the phone will be surprised at the number of orders for the Bare-Knuckle Boxer at the party. This was the drink Viktor Novikov wanted back in Paris's "The Showstopper" mission, one you could make and poison him with.
      • When walking around the party a second time, Vidal may ask if 47 killed Viktor Novikov and Dalia Margolis (the targets from "The Showstopper"), Nicholai Kamarov (The FSB chief whom Grey killed before the events of 2016 that was mounting a case against Novikov; Novikov subsequently hired Grey to kill him so the latter could get his hands on the IAGO Dossier), Dino Bosco (Target of "The Icon"), Craig Black (Primary target of "The Author" in the "Patient Zero" Campaign), and Richard Ekwensi (from "The Ex-Dictator").
      • Helmut Kruger has a reservation on a table at the party. The man himself, sadly, does not appear, but according to Martin Ansdel (level designer for Mendoza) in this Discord conversation, there were plans to get Portman and Kruger to finally meet each other, but they ran out of character budget.
      • One of Don Yates' guards used to work for Silvio Caruso and was aware that he kept hair and skin samples inside his safe.
      • A man near the dance floor admits that he got Richard Ekwensi elected so Providence could use the South African Rhodium Mines he controlled.
      • A pair of party guests talk about the murder mystery of Thornbridge Manor, and how one of them managed to get the author of the "Jack Sparta" novels to write up a dramatised book of events from the PI assigned to the case. The "Jack Sparta" novels are in reference to the "Nick Sparta" novels written by the school headmaster in Marrakesh; Shahin Abdul-Barr Maalouf, albeit with the name changed.
      • The asado chef has a story about inviting multiple celebrities to a barbecue for a series he creates; among them being Craig Black (from "The Author" in the "Patient Zero" campaign), Jordan Cross (from "Club 27") and Viktor Novikov (from "The Showstopper"). They then explain that Novikov in particular didn't like his Hair-Trigger Temper being on display, and attempted to stall the production company for six months until it was all settled out of court. They also hang a lampshade on how all three are now dead.
      • Dexy Barat returns, alongside Heidi Santoro, and both can be found on the upper courtyard of the vineyard talking about why they're there (The Class has a large Argentinian following and Monumental Records, the record label, wants them to be there).
      • One method of killing Don involves using a Branson-MD2 microphone set to a high voltage when they make a dinner speech, the same microphone that could be used to kill Jordan Cross.
      • Don Yates was the business partner of Ken Morgan, the "Club 27" mission's secondary target. He can also be pushed off a balcony by his wife during a confrontation, exactly like how Morgan could be by Jordan Cross.
      • Yates’s fixer, Corvo Black, was initially mentioned by Ken Morgan in a phone conversation in Bangkok's "Club 27".
      • After his speech and eating asado, Don Yates will mention Ken Morgans' death to a patron at the party, and then Valentina will mention that they had adopted Kens' dog, Pickles, when Ken died. If 47 holds Ken at gunpoint, he will mention Pickles as a bid to let 47 spare his life.
      • One of the women seen dancing during the ball is Ellinor Westrup, the IAGO model that was Zaydan's Honey Trap girlfriend sent to spy on him from Marrakesh's "A Gilded Cage".
      • Constructing the Bartoli on the workbench downstairs has 47 recite the mantra of "A place for everything, and everything in its place", a line said by both Sean Rose and Dr. Ito from Colorado and Hokkaido respectively.
      • Disguising as a Providence member unlocks the challenge "The Hidden Hand"; in reference to what 47 says in the Colorado's storm shelter when describing Providence.
    • To Hitman 2:
      • After you kill Vidal, one party guest will talk about taking the position of Rupert Pierce, the head of Dynasty Global that was assassinated by Mr. Donovan on the order of Alma Reynard in Hawke's Bay. She mentions how he passed Mr. Donovan in the hallway on the day Rupert died.
      • On the second loop round the party, Tamara will ask if 47 killed Mark Faba ("The Undying"; a disgraced MI6 agent who kept coming back from the dead, despite various confirmed ICA assassination attempts).
      • Orson Mills is mentioned going rogue after the Militia disbanded, and after ETHER interrogates him, he becomes a Providence member. You next see him on the train in the final level.
      • Rico Delgado and Andrea Martinez's assassinations are mentioned, and Hector Delgado is now in charge, now being referred to as "Mad Dog" by the patrons.
      • The asado chef mentions being blindfolded at a party in the middle of the arctic sea, referring to the Isle of Sgàil and "The Ark Society" gathering. Seems that they were in charge of making food for its members, and apparently they had to barbecue while blindfolded, and mentions being blindfolded on the way in and out of the island; the only part of the story which isn't an unreasonable claim as it is a secretive and remote island, and the band on the island were blindfolded specifically for the purpose of keeping it a secret). The asado chef also mentions doing an episode of his TV series in a balloon with Blake Nathanial, a treasure hunter and adventurer from that level.
      • Two party guests are talking about De Waal, ETHER'S CEO, being accidentally killed, and mentions his escape via Providence soldiers not long after the events of Mumbai. De Waall, understandably, gained PTSD from the whole experience. This is in reference to the hostage tape the Militia released before the events of Mumbai that Diana mentions in the briefing for "Chasing A Ghost"; you can even hear Pam give a reading of it on Mumbai's TVs.
      • One party guest discussing the ICA data leak to his friend tells him to hire Agent Stone, and explicitly mentions his nose bandage ("Don't mention the nose!"). Agent Stone was one of the two multiplayer characters from the previous game's Sniper Assassin mode.
      • If the sniping path is followed, Vidal will be in a conversation about how they'd like to die, and mentions that cold history has to happen, and she doesn't fret about the fallout, which has Diana say "It's a dangerous thing, having a conscious" in response, a direct quote from the last line said by Grey in the "Precautions" cinematic.
      • Flowers and another wine keeper are musing about unlocking the 1945 Grand Paladin from the vault at Yate's request. He mentions the story of how Yates got his hands on it, and his description suggests the wine is extremely rare (as in, less than six bottle kind of rare), and they remember seeing logos for "The Ark Society" on the crate when it arrived, but were clueless to the details. Not only is this a reference to "The Ark Society", a doomsday club for the social elite, but said society collected potential art and historical pieces of culture of humankind's accomplishments for when the rapture hits — the implication here is that the Society has the remaining bottles back on the island.
      • Two men near the asado pit discuss the deaths of Zoe and Sophia Washington from "The Ark Society", and how their father Byron Washington correctly believes they were killed in a plot to obtain the Constant. Blake Nathaniel is mentioned as a potential candidate for Chairman alongside Eddie Engelhorn, who was Janus' original pick.
    • To Agent 47: Birth of the Hitman:
      • When conversing with Tamara Vidal on the subject of Corvo Black, Diana will remark how they never took any of his contracts due to being a "nasty piece of work", and admits that her fellow colleagues were not as picky. While it's been implied in the games for a while now that ICA Handlers pick contracts based on more than just professional intuition, and often take out contracts they themselves may be invested in personally (even if it's not for personal gain); this is the first time the games have actually acknowledged this fact. This was first explicitly shown in issue 6 of the comic, where Robyn Gore chooses Diana's first contract to be a handler on: a hit on Franklin Marchand and Brickolage Technologies. Robyn knew Diana would take the contract as a similar company (Blue Seed Pharmaceuticals) ruined her life, and so would want to exact personal revenge.
      • Disguising as Aron Ford Jr. (The lawyer outside the party) and then meeting with Don Yates to give him his case file filled with research done on Diana has 47 give a cliff notes introduction of their bio, in that she was orphaned when she was young and tried to fight back against Blue Seed pharmaceuticals with various exploits, and notes that her rap sheet is "quite extensive". He will then also rattle off two of the hits from the past two games (Whittleton Creek, then either Dubai, Sapienza, or Bangkok). Ford Jr. will also discuss all of the contracts against Providence (the aforementioned ones alongside Marrakesh, Hokkaido, Miami, Isle of Sgail, and Dartmoor).
      • In the cutscene after the mission, Diana repeats similar sentiments from one of the last pages of the comic, about how she saw him as a blank page, and that she could use him however she saw fit. Here, Diana says she saw him as a blank slate and told herself that that's what you needed, and that people are not meant to be controlled, essentially bookending her statement from the comic.
    • Miscellaneous:
      • Disguising as the Wine expert and finishing the tour has 47 note that the security in the Barrel room prevents access to some of the more precious wines on display and that you'd have to be "the Sparrow" to get in. The Sparrow is the codename of Kalvin Ritter, who was a thief so notorious that the ICA made a training simulation based on one of his handoff events that functions as the tutorial for this and the past two games.
      • On the first loop around the party, Tamara will recall all the Providence-affiliated targets, as well as Greys' Militia heads, that 47 killed in the trilogy, and notes Yates won't be happy about Ken Morgan's death.
      • When going round the party for a second time, Tamara will ask if 47 killed Lord Winston Beldingford (Target of "Beldingford Manor" in Contracts).
      • Once Tamara is eliminated, Diana will proceed to engage in friendly conversations with the other guests. One of them is Dolores Powell, an ex-ICA handler who was forced to leave after a disastrous contract. Her agent (Jaguar) thought it would be a good idea to try a 47-esque kill during a hit at a Christmas party, but managed to kill everyone but the target! This is a reference to Overachievers, a side story made in 2017 that is all about this exact event from the viewpoint of ICA Cleaners.

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CSS1 Since: Mar, 2021
#28518: Jul 17th 2023 at 4:18:49 AM

I’ve been thinking of adding this to Papers, Please:

What do y’all think? Does the trope fit? Am I missing something?

CompletelyNormalGuy Am I a weirdo? from that rainy city where they throw fish (Oldest One in the Book)
Am I a weirdo?
#28519: Jul 17th 2023 at 12:49:37 PM

[up]That's misuse.

[up][up]I think it's probably an example of Continuity Cavalcade.

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#28520: Jul 17th 2023 at 1:13:12 PM

On Superior Twin Teamwork: Takumi and Isami Aldini in Food Wars! are both Supreme Chefs in their own right, but while Takumi is acknowledged as the better of the two, he always makes sure to remind his brother that he is "his other half" and it's only through their work together that they've come so far. In fact, during the final arc of the series one of Takumi's opponents in the BLUE specifically decides to kidnap Isami so the former cannot call for his help during a tag-team culinary battle.

Superior Twin Teamwork is for when twins are objectively better at what they do when they are together compared to either when they are apart or to everyone else around them. Takumi has succeeded multiple times without Isami, showing that while he may appreciate his brother, he doesn't need his brother's support or cooperation to succeed. He becomes Rank 7 in the Elite Ten solo, whereas Isami doesn't, explicitly acknowledging he's not as good as Takumi and having to deal with a bit of Successful Sibling Syndrome.

I don't really think this is an example, thoughts?

Edited by amathieu13 on Jul 17th 2023 at 4:13:26 AM

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#28521: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:49:42 PM

[up] That doesn't describe how they're more than the sum of their parts or better than anyone else.

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#28522: Jul 17th 2023 at 2:59:35 PM

Series Continuity Error has an entry that doesn't contradict anything in the series, but does contradict prior Word of God. What's the alternate item for that, Flip-Flop of God?

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
Cutegirl920fire CG for short from NYC apparently (Rule of Three) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
CG for short
#28524: Jul 17th 2023 at 6:01:14 PM

Does this example from Go Away I'm Watching Porn count as Americans Hate Tingle? I personally don't think so as the trope is about a work being hated outside of its native country, but this is about a fanfic that's liked on one platform but not liked on another, but I wanna make sure if it counts or not just in case.

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