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  • Broken Base:
    • The later albums, such as Born Villain and The High End Of Low, have incredibly mixed reactions among the fanbase.
    • Eat Me, Drink Me. Manson's post-divorce album, recorded solely with Tim Skold and filled with a plethora of confessional lyrics, was either an interesting new frontier, or a messy mid-life crisis on record, depending on who you talk to.
    • Even Mechanical Animals was a bit controversial when it was released in 1998. On one hand, some critics loved the new direction and Manson got a few of his most famous songs out of it ("The Dope Show," "Rock Is Dead"), but a significant portion of his audience who were riveted by Antichrist Superstar couldn't quite get into his new Glam Rock leanings. Notably, 2000's Holy Wood sounds like a combination between the two albums, sonically.
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  • Covered Up: The Eurythmics' "Sweet Dreams", Patti Smith's "Rock & Roll Nigger" and "Tainted Love" (originally by Gloria Jones but popularised by the UK Synth-Pop band Soft Cell).
  • Creepy Awesome: And he only got creepier!
  • Dork Age: While the post-Columbine backlash and resulting sales disappointments of Holy Wood and The Golden Age of Grotesque knocked Manson out of the rock music mainstream, fans believe he only really fell into this with the lovelorn Eat Me, Drink Me, which came off as wangst to many. Following it up with the average-sounding The High End of Low and Born Villain didn't help matters. However, the positive reception to The Pale Emperor and his collaboration with Tyler Bates shows that Manson may be coming out of this.
  • Foe Yay: Manson and his first guitarist and co-founder, Daisy Berkowitz. Big time. Their long habit of bashing each other in interviews and dragging each other into court for any reason makes them sound like a divorced couple fighting over custody of their only child (which, in a way, they sort of are.) Most of this would be pretty standard, but for some reason, Manson's autobiography is also peppered with constant denigrating comments about Daisy's sex life which is, um, interesting.
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  • Friendly Fandoms: With Rammstein, thanks to Marilyn's friendship with the band members as well as performing alongside them once.
  • Growing the Beard: Not that they didn't shake up some parents and right-wing zealots before, but Antichrist Superstar, aside from being a stylistic breakthrough, was the point where they became the most controversial band in America.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: Having a song called "Pistol Whipped" after he nearly got crushed to death by a stage prop shaped like 2 handguns in September 2017.
  • Heartwarming Moment:
    • This scene from Bowling For Columbine.
    • Him reaching out to Paris Jackson was also a pretty heartwarming moment.
    • The fact that the members of Rammstein respect him enough to perform together with him filling in for Till at an event. Even when Richard and Till did a cover song together, they didn't use the name Rammstein because all six weren't involved, and almost broke up over the "Mutter" music video. For them to all to be cool with Manson filling in for Till is basically the biggest compliment they could give him. Well, besides for having him be the sole non-Rammstein celebrity in the "Haifisch" music video, even though he couldn't make it (stand-in/cardboard cut out was used in his place, because they wanted him in it that badly).
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    • Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger performed with him, with him singing multiple of their songs. Yes, they respect him enough to have him fill Jim Morrison's shoes.
    • When his cover of "In The Ghetto" surfaced, it was thought to be from the new album. It turned out that it was actually from the Holy Wood era, and was personally recorded as a gift for his mother, a huge Elvis fan.
    • The photoshoot with his father, Hugh Warner. This was soon after his mother died, and there was also this interview, where they bonded over Apocalypse Now. His father is a Vietnam vet, and one of the people who dropped Agent Orange on Vietnam.
    • He's described Johnny Depp as "like a brother to [him]".
  • Ho Yay: Manson tends to have a lot with his bassists, Gidget Gein, Twiggy Ramirez and Tim Skold, respectively.
  • It's Popular, Now It Sucks!: They're a metal band that got well known in the mainstream. Of course there will be a section of fans who will immediately brand them as sell-outs!
  • Misaimed Fandom: Due to the dark aesthetic, Marilyn Manson is often seen as an iconic goth band. However, it's not actually a goth rock band.
  • Mis-blamed: The whole Columbine affair. As it happened, the killers didn't listen to Marilyn Manson at all, they only bought one of Marilyn Manson's albums, and they thought he was a sellout and a poseur. Even if they had listened to him, it would have been a significant stretch to put that as the reason for them picking up a gun and going crazy. However, in cases like this, someone has to be the bad guy, and when it came out that the culprits were metal fans, right-wing America jumped on the most notorious current band they could think of — Marilyn Manson (while largely ignoring such bands as KMFDM and Rammstein, which they did listen to). In the end, it got so bad that Marilyn had to come out and attempt to bat back the rumors, which he did well considering the overwhelming tide of outrage he was up against.
    • Well, some American Moral Guardians did accuse KMFDM and Rammstein for the shooting, and it doesn't help that band are from Germany.
    • Not that it makes it any less of an outrage, but something like this was probably to be expected given what the name Manson is associated with in America.
    • On a more Heartwarming in Hindsight note, however, this did lead to Manson's friendship with Rammstein, which has lead to some awesome moments. Richard Kruspe, guitarist of Rammstein, literally forced Manson to record the vocals for a song with his other band, Emigrate. Manson kept claiming that Richard's were better, but Richard dragged him into the recording studio and made him record it. Till Lindemann, Rammstein's singer, also has just as much love for him, seeing as the "Haifisch" video, which takes place at his fake funeral has no celebrities besides for the rest of Rammstein and Marilyn Manson, which pretty much is the highest compliment Till could pay him, since Rammstein see each other as True Companions, and for Manson to be a part of that is huge. Manson and Rammstein, minus Till, also did "The Beautiful People" live together once.
  • Narm Charm: Manson once did a cover of the The Nightmare Before Christmas theme song. Now picture Manson poncing about in Halloween Town.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Most of their music videos, and to many people, Marilyn's appearance.
  • Nightmare Retardant: Manson's Nightmare Before Christmas cover. We see through your act now, Manson! You're not evil, you just want to be the prettiest ghoul at the whole Pumpkin Ball!
    • His whole Clone High cameo, where amongst other things, he sings a happy musical number about the food pyramid.
  • Overshadowed by Controversy: For many people, Manson is more a figurehead for shock rock.
  • Signature Song: "The Beautiful People" is Manson's calling card to this day.
  • They Copied It, Now It Sucks: There's a bit of a Fandom Rivalry between him and Alice Cooper due to being perceived as an extreme ripoff of the latter.
  • Viewer Gender Confusion: Many Moral Guardians were surprised that he was not a very deep voiced woman. This did give them more reasons to hate him though.
  • Vindicated by History: Wikipedia says it best:
    [Holy Wood] was initially a commercial disappointment, garnering first week sales of 117,000 units and a peak charting position at No.13 on the Billboard 200. However, with worldwide sales of over 9 million copies, as of 2011, the album has become one of the most successful of Marilyn Manson's career.

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