- This troper personally thinks she's a bit Obliviously Evil. She seems likely to be the type who means well but lets her temper get the better of her.
- When I first heard the song, it seemed odd that the Satan equivalent would be able to keep him out of hell. But then it occurred to me that his sin was greed. Giving away all the money he'd done so much to get his hands on would represent (in a very simple way) him realizing his soul is more important than money... although it still seems like a bribe.
- Jossed. The Seven Crimes and Punishments novel reveals the actual Master of the Hellish Yard acts more like a guardian, even helping Allen in his quest, while the self-proclaimed Nemesis was the one who crossed the Despair Event Horizon, becomes a Well-Intentioned Extremist and firmly believes the Humans Are Bastards. Another case of Identical Stranger
- Confirmed, sort of. She is really Gumillia, who was Elluka's assistant and Elluka was often seen as "good." And at the end of Seven Crimes and Punishments, she helps Allen and the others try to save the world.
- Elluka has no descendents.
Also, since dovahhe are timeless creatures, they naturally have the ability to wait for thousands of years (like when Paarthurnax waited for Alduin's return). Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Riliane waited her entire life for Allen's response, and never gave up on him?
- They are actually Irregular twins.
- To tie together mothy and The Elder Scrolls a bit more: Allen might not become the Master, but he will become its avatar, much like Martin Septim became Akatosh's avatar at the end of Oblivion.
- It doesnt confirm or Joss this WMG, but there is a Master of the Heavenly Yard equivalent, who was apparently on good terms with Allen.
- Allen isn't the Master of the Heavenly Yard. Behemo is.
- The part about it being Allen's ghost makes more sense, as his ghost had influenced others before (Clarith to not kill Riliane and Germaine to stop being angry at her) and judging from the evidence reincarnation in Evillious takes hundreds of years. So, does this make Allen a "ghost writer"?
- Jossed with the fact that Kept Waiting for a Response was a scrapped plot.
- They can't be destroyed. Ma moved the vessels to the theater after Gallerian's death.
- Gear is actually Adam Moonlit, and he's pretty obsessed with Eve. Gammon, meanwhile, suffers from the Venomania curse, making him become easily aroused around women, as seen as him avoiding Nemesis and explained in Master of the Heavenly Yard. Sorry to burst your bubble, but each of them aren't gay.
Alternatively, Irina may BE a Gumi character... She currently has no canon Vocaloid counterpart.
- Iroha has been confirmed as Irina's counterpart.
- Jossed; Nemesis Sudou is the Wrath Sinner.
- Nemesis Sudou is actually Levia Barisol, and Irina turns out to be reincarnated as the Master of the Court.
- The latter part is confirmed! As such, you may be onto something with the first one...
- The old woman in the song is Elluka, who became The Atoner after destroying the world and created the Bluebird, setting it free in the hopes that someone would be able to fix her mistakes.
- Considering that Nemesis's "Punishment" weapon could be comparable to a nuke in raw power, maybe the war she wages against Lucifenia forces all of Evillious to create nuclear weapons. Since Nemesis wants to raze the world she will likely start the chain that blows the whole continent to oblivion, leaving a sandy wasteland where Lucifenia once stood. The nuclear facility Rin and Len find is a relic of this war.
- Additionally, the Rin and Len journeying to find the Bluebird might be Hansel and Gretel's reincarnations once more. As the Twin Gods Levia and Behemo, they would be reborn into the ruined continent and travel to the ocean to fix the destruction after the end.
- Likely Jossed by the revelations of Seven Crimes and Punishments; the world is destroyed, but it's not because of combining the sins nor is anybody left alive after its over.
- Plus, Allen and Riliane create the Fourth Period, which is similar to our modern world.
At least that's how it appears if you only listen to the SDS series.
Because then Servant of Evil happened.
Enter Allen Avadonia, the lost prince. He is proud, stubborn, sarcastic, touchy, and antisocial - but he is also selfless and loyal and brave and loving. Loving enough that he is willing to do anything to protect his sister. Which throws a monkey wrench into the Sins' plan because it is going to be very hard to find an 'epitome of Superbia ' better than starting a war that destroys three countries out of vanity and spite. Everything was going perfectly, and then Allen, all unknowing, decided to save his big sister's life. The Twin Switch he pulled meant Riliane lived, and more importantly, she lived to repent. She changed, got over her pride, and moved on. And so if she dies it won't count. Probably Clarith's murder attempt, as well as being Wrath, was also a last-ditch effort to finish Vanity while Riliane was still eligible... but Allen screwed that up too. All that happened was that both girls were able to let go, and the Sins couldn't get to them anymore.
All of which basically means Allen is even more awesome than we thought. And he's going to make a really, really good Master of the Heavenly Yard. Because...
- Allen isn't the Master of the Heavenly Yard, and each of the hosts DID die except for Nemesis. The only thing that happened when they did was that Nemesis destroyed the world, merging the Hellish Yard with Third Period.
Allen/Irregular will be perfect for the job; after all, he's already done it twice as a mortal who had no clue what he was doing! (well, once as a mortal, once as a ghost. Whatever.) With the power of mothy who knows what he can do?
- Jossed a little bit? Allen isn't Irregular, rather Irregular was the Master of the Court's children (since Irregular turns out to be twins) born without a will. All the Master of the Heavenly Yard (who is Behemo, by the way) does is reveal the real history of the Periods.
- Or Gammon simply wanting a normal relationship, frienship, or just be able to interact with woman without them all over him from magic. Also jelous men popping up from their wives swooning over some guy that suspiciously looks like the man known for seducing and kidnapping women. Not that there is anything wrong with you're theory.
- ...Well, my theory was a joke, but okay!
- Gammon isn't confirmed to be either gay or straight, and the curse makes him easily aroused around women. That's why he left the Tasan party.
- Jossed. Lukana Octo was the one to give birth, as they only swapped bodies months are the Venomania Event. That, and she gave birth to his distant ancestor, not him.
- So that's what "Ma" stands for... "Master". And it makes you wonder what Elluka's trying to do by using the name "Ma"...
- Elluka's use of it is made clear to be short for MA Gician but she definitely could have gotten the idea from the Ma project, or perhaps it's just a coincidence within universe, but not outside of it.
- Partially confirmed by the latest album's booklet! apparently "Ma" is the name given to Ancient Levianta's rulers, since the queen, Maria Moonlit saw the end of Evillious by sin, and the Ma Project is basically creating offspring from God to counter the Sins with "Ma" as the mother.
- Actually unconfirmed again with Original Sin Story Act 2. The sin that Maria Moonlit foresaw was destroying Levianta (not all Evillious) was an actual machine called Sin. Not to mention that Elluka being Ma has been thrown into a lot of doubt. Theres also the fact that twin gods that were being copied were Levia and Behemo.
- Confirmed in spirit, jossed in letter - the project was centered around Levia and Behemo and not the Master of the Heavenly Yard, but the goal was to incarnate them to prevent a tragedy foreseen by Maria Moonlit, which ended up being the Sins. And it did "succeed" with Hansel and Gretel...
- Well, based on the song Lu Li La, The Resounding Song, the wrath is too big to be contained that it stays as forest. And because of that, bad endings happened a lot. The last song from all the related chronology would be Dessert Bluebird. The casts of Cappricio Farce failed to contain the last sin, creating apocalypse instead.
- Well, in the Court ending, the world "reformats" and everything happens again and repeats in a loop. So you're right in the fact it doesn't end. But apocalypse was created when Nemesis was acting as the Master of the Hellish Yard and destroyed the land of Evillious, subsequently merging the Hellish Yard and Third Period together.
- So it's a The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You situation? Makes sense...
- I knew the word called "Mother" — Refers to Meta
- I remembered the word called "Father" — Unknown, possibly Seth
- I knew the word called "Wind" — The Vessel/Sin of Sloth
- I remembered the word called "Water" — The Vessel/Sin of Envy since its original manifestation was a spring
- I knew the word called "Together" — Gretel's relationship with her brother
- I remembered the word called "Dreams" — The Gardener's purple dream ability, or her own ability to "dream" of other universes
- "Lies/Pain/Crime/Punishment/Evil" — The bad things that happened in the other Sin-tainted universe.
- "Yet, what words shall I use when you cast me aside?" — There will be no more use for Hansel and Gretel once they have fulfilled their duties as Masters of the Heavenly Yard (what that duty is, I don't know)
In Full Moon Laboratory, Gretel has grown up a little, and she is actively participating in the laboratory's experiments. What exactly she's doing, I don't know either.
- OSSCE's new song, The Song I heard Somewhere, implies that the singer of Full Moon Laboratory is Irina based on a shared melody and some repeated lyrics in the chorus. Whether or not this is true or a reference (there is also a reference to Re_Birthday), only time ( and mothy) will tell.
- Actually, Irina sings the song since she actually DID learn it at one point while she was being made in Seth's laboratory.
- It's not confirmed that the singer is Irina. And it honestly doesn't make sense that it WOULD be her.
- Pretty much the only thing that wouldn't make sense about it is that the Vocaloid is different, and keep in mind Iroha wasn't made when the song was. Otherwise... Irina is a scientist (not in profession, but in action, if you look at how she's constantly experimenting and learning about the world) who had a partner who left and told her to continue experimenting (Seth.) In The Song I heard Somewhere the line about creating the person who created her is revised to show what it might actually mean—that she's "creating" the person who created her (Seth) in the manner of making more people like him, aka HERs. You're right that it's not 100% confirmed, and it's likely mothy didn't originally have this in mind, but it fits better than it does with anyone else right now.
- Actually, it's an explanation of Hereditary Evil Raiser Syndrome. They test it on the girl and it works.
Or another, considering that so many of the characters are reincarnated, the Irina and Elluka that were created from the split IR were reincarnated and Irina is really the Clockworker's blood sibling. Just a thought.
- This information has been removed from the Wiki and is not considered canon at this time.
- The girl in Blood-Stained Switch is just a lab rat. Elluka is just the fiancee of Kiril Clockworker, while Irina was an HER created by Seth.
- Jossed as this song is not part of the main canon.
- And the mirror where she sees the boy is actually one of the four mirrors of Lucifenia?
- Both are Obsessed with Food(Kyouko to a far lesser degree, but everyone is obsessed with food to a lesser degree than Conchita.)
- Kyouko's backstory is almost a reversal of Banica's. Her father was a priest, she almost starved to death, and her father killed her mother. Banica's father was an atheist, she was force-fed as a child, and her mother killed her father.
- Banica's father killed her mother. And she was force fed because her family was starving from the Gula disease. Doesn't really invalidate the wild mass guess, but it's not a reversal. Her father's actions did lead to the death of pretty much her whole family.
- It's oddly easy to see Kyouko's life as an Ironic Hell. Almost starving to death(that one really doesn't need to be explained); killing Eldritch Abominations(Banica's deal with the demon of Gluttony may have caused it to take her form after that, it's very unclear); and having the same of murder-suicide with a blue-haired loved one, only Kyouko's is far more like what Carlos tried to attempt.
- Aside from the obvious physical similarity, Kyouko's Magical Girl outfit has a collar a lot like the one on Conchita's dress.
- Continuing the theme, "Tailor Shop" is Sayaka's Ironic Hell because she deluded herself into thinking the boy who loved her was cheating, when in actuality he genuinely loved someone else.
- Alternatively, "Duke Venomania's Lunacy" could fit as Sayaka got her wish for the boy to love her, but sold her soul to the Devil and died watching him escape before she could admit her feelings.
- Mami's Ironic Hell is "Gift From the Princess who Brought Sleep", because Mami craved friendship but Margarita was only used by others and dismissed. She decided to Kill Em All rather than suffer, like Mami in an Alternate Timeline.
- This leaves "Daughter of Evil" for "Homucifer", as Homura spent countless timelines trying to save Madoka's life and failing; Riliane wasted her power on luxuries and didn't notice until Allen sacrificed himself for her and she was left mourning, wishing to turn back the clock to save his life.
- Continuing the theme, "Tailor Shop" is Sayaka's Ironic Hell because she deluded herself into thinking the boy who loved her was cheating, when in actuality he genuinely loved someone else.
- Actually, Ney Futapie is the incarnation of Gretel, not Riliane. She killed her birth mother Prim Marlon and her foster mother, Mariam. But while we're here, let's not forget another incarnation, though, Arte, who helped kill Ron Grapple and helped cook Joseph/Carlos Marlon when he wanted to leave Banica's service after her meals became more and more disturbing. Also, just because Len's characters are associated with blue, doesn't automatically make him good. Hansel killed Adam Moonlit. Pollo helped Arte kill Ron and Joseph/Carlos. And then, of course, we have Lemy, who killed many people under the orders of Julia Abelard/Irina using Germaine's body. On that note, I'd say neither of them are good.
- In fact, the twin gods Levia-Behemo dont even seem to be good judging by Heavenly Yard.
- It's probably safe to assume that they don't operate on human morality standards.
- They only act upon serving a master that resembles a mother-figure (Banica, Prim, Julia/Irina). Their morality only lines up with whoever is their mother-figure at the time, but they also have HER, so they were always meant to be evil.
- And Levia and Behemo, we might as well say Hansel and Gretel, are Joker and Harley Quinn. And actually, Held might really be Alfred, not the commissioner. Michaela is Robin, anyway, not Batgirl.
- Levia and Behemo aren't Hansel and Gretel. They weren't able to incarnate into Hansel and Gretel's bodies as Meta ran away with them during Escape of Salmhofer the Witch. Levia and Behemo become Elluka Clockworker instead.
- Gallerian does not have the Vessel of Wrath. Hell, the whole point of Capriccio Farce was to find it! Nemesis has the Vessel, and the fact that Gallerian never did is the whole purpose of Ma being evil in the mothy novel.
- Misstress of the heavenly yard: Wrath, full moon, instable, shape shifting...I smell werewolf.
- Perhaps it's Master Of The HEllish YaRd?
- Doesn't fit the pattern - Master of the Court, Master of the Graveyard, Master of the Heavenly Yard. That's not to say it couldn't be, but there's a precedent against it. All previous Master acronyms have only drawn from the first letter of each comprising word.
- Some people have speculated it's Master of the Hereditary Evil Raisers.
- OP here, this is what I was getting at. Seems I wasn't clear enough.
- That's exactly what Irina wanted to be.
- Mayhaps Gallerian was initially planning to let him live and decided to make Nemesis kill him after seeing her fall in love with him; it would make sense, for him to try and nip a Love Redeems plot in the bud and avoid Nyoze turning Nemesis against him (although apparently not Genre Savvy enough to take precautions in case it came back to bite him in the end).
- The relationship chart that came with Seven Crimes and Punishments confirms Nemesis' Lover to be Nyoze Octo.
Ma knew this and used it to her advantage, though it came back to bite her in the end, as Nemesis fled to the Hellish Yard after her full awakening, abandoned Ma and is now plotting against her.
- Jossed by the Pierrot novel: Seth is the Wrath demon, and is inhabiting the Golden Key until the vessel awakens.
- Not Jossed. Nemesis is really Levia Barisol.
Okay, so here's how I think it will go down:
After "Master of the Heavenly Yard" we'll get a song about Allen being sought by the other three Masters. Allen, being the just and fair Messiah he is, will give them all a chance to speak what they want.
And Eve will ask him to simply bring them all the Utopia they had waited for for so long. Allen will consider this one as well, but then conclude that a true Utopia is unobtainable.
The other three Masters will be at a loss, but Allen will tell them that he thinks that ultimately, Evillious is almost beyond help...almost being the keyword. He will then decide that what really needs to be done is to wipe the slate clean and start everything over. And that's what he'll do.
Afterward we'll see a scene in the PV of a human scientist in a laboratory speaking to an individual in a container. He will ask this individual if he knows who he is.
The individual will answer, in a familiar voice, "I am...Kagamine Len."
Allen will have truly wiped the slate clean...as the Evillious sinners (and other characters even) will have become Vocaloids.
- They aren't reincarnated as Vocaloids. But Allen and Riliane create Fourth Period.
- He did tell her that at one point. But it was during their confrontation, his last words are never revealed.
- This could explain why the Doll doesn't seem to remember anything in the "Greed" arc. And how MA got her hands on the Doll in the first place.
- And why she had an Unholy Matrimony with Gallerian, who looks like Adam.
- Partially confirmed; MA is in fact Elluka Clockworker (really Levia)'s soul combined with Eve Moonlit's, but also Irina Clockworker as well in a three-way soul amalgamation. The incident that merges their souls doesn't occur until a while after Elluka's battle with Eve, though, making this basically confirmed in spirit but not in letter.
- Ma is made from the combination of Eve Moonlit, Levia Barisol, and Irina Clockworker's souls. However, she is also none of them at the same time, since she wanted her own personality.
In a Fullmetal Alchemist like move, he will call upon Eve, who will then assimilate MA back into her soul (with red and blue chains to boot), with MA kicking and screaming all the while. MA will be trapped there, an anonymous, unknown part of Eve's soul for all eternity.
This is a simple WMG but it has multiple elements, so bear with me.
- Kiril looks exactly like Seth and Pale. Why? Seth and Pale look like each other because they're twins. But Kiril is a random stranger. Generally in this series, when someone looks like another character, there's a reason for it, or a meaning behind it, either from hereditary or reincarnation/demonic influence reasons (Mikulia, Platonic, and Margarita all looking like Eve, Germaine and Maylis looking like Conchita, etc). Kiril can't possibly be related to Seth and Pale, however—he was born in a lab. This is the puzzle I wish to solve with this theory.
- The Rin character has a guardian that was involved to some extent in her experimentation and scientific knowledge. Now it's possible this could be Adam, or some other unknown scientist, but it's also highly possible that this guardian was Seth.
- "Wordplay" features a heavy duality between light and dark, happy and sad, good and evil—There are many things that this could mean, but it could be a reference both to the duality between Seth's public and private persona, and the duality between Seth and Pale.
- This Rin character is the first person, by release order, to know the "Song of Truth", Lu Li La, otherwise known as the Clockwork Lullaby. How, then, did this knowledge pass on to Kiril Clockworker, for whom it is named? It's not suggested in the song that she learned it from someone else—more that she taught someone else the song.
- Jossed. Kiril was made by Seth himself.
- Conchita ate the demon by eating herself. This is stated in the novel.
- Greed is Adam. It would explain why every character associated with Greed resembles him.
- Lust is Milky. Her lust was specifically brought up in "Survival MA", I don't think this is a coincidence.
- Pride is Ly Li. Again, her pride was specifically brought up, that can't just be a coincidence.
- Gluttony was originally Meta. Again, it explains why everyone associated with the sin either resembles her or her children.
- Envy is the only one I can't really peg. I would say it's Irina but that wouldn't make sense because she was around for a good 600 years in the series and her animal theme is cats, not fish.
- Couple points: Mikina was a character associated with Greed and does not look like Kaito, not to mention the only character possessed by Greed that also looks like Adam is Gallerian (and Gear in a way?). Also, the terms used for Ly Li and Milky's "Lust and Pride" in Survival 'Ma' were both explicitly different from the series' official terms for Lust and Pride set by Chrono Story, so would better have been translated as eroticism and arrogance as some have done. (Also it wouldn't really explain why Lust is associated with Gackpo characters, would it? :P )
- Gallerian did make a contract with Adam. But the real Demon of Greed is Salem. However, Lust isn't Milky. Lust is an Earthling named Gilles Derais, known for flirting with women and being the father? of Levia. Pride is actually Marie Annette. Gluttony was Vlad, and Envy was Levia's mom, Rahab Barisol.
- Gumillia being the Master of the Hellish Yard is being tentatively treated as canon by the wiki, but it doesn't seem like she's been possessed by Seth.
- Confirmed. Gumillia, the real Master of the Hellish Yard, and Nemesis are different people.
- One of the four boys is Hansel, though, who's confirmed to be a different person. Could still be true for Punishment and Irregular, though.
- Punishment's just a weapon that Seth created, and then Irregular is Adam. The reason he looks like Allen, however, is because they are Irregulars, as in the children who are born from an impossible birth.
- Based on Levia's backstory as detailed in Barisol's Child Is An Only Child, it seems unlikely that she's the singer. Additionally, The Song I Heard Somewhere reprises the chorus melody and many of the lyrics of Full Moon Laboratory, giving the implication that the true singer of that song is Irina.
- Or, or... the singer of Full Moon Laboratory is Seth from some unknown time, and mothy just wanted the singer shrouded in just that much mystery by using Rin for the song. It just happens to be eerily similar to The Song I Heard Somewhere for whatever reason he has in mind. At this point, really anything seems possible for that detail...
- But saying Seth is the singer is taking a bit of a long shot. mothy wouldn't go that far to hide plot details.
While the song is confirmed as being based on one of the fairytales written by Yukina, considering that she based many of her tales from either real life events, testimonies or folklore of the Evillious world it doesn't seem that far-fetched that the "shadow parade" (Which is also mentioned in passing in the Madame Merry-go-Round song) could also be based in some real life event.
- "Portrait That Glassred Drew"=Chastity (Gumina declares her love for Venomania and only Venomania, contrasting with Venomania's Harem Seeker statusnote )
- "Drug of Gold"=Temperance (Carlos sacrifices the medicine he had to constantly take to give Banica a Mercy Kill)
- "Servant of Evil"=Humility (Allen puts Riliane's worth over his own)
- "Fifth Pierrot"=Diligence (Lemy works tirelessly for his mother's happiness)
- "Weathered Head at Onigashima"=Kindness (Gakusha prays for Kayo's soul even after learning of her crimes because it's the right thing to do)
- "Miniature Garden Girl"=Charity ("Michelle" only wants her father's happiness(?))
- "The Last Revolver"=Patience (Nyoze bears no ill will for Nemesis killing him)