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"Me and you and you and me
No matter how they tossed the dice, it had to be
The only one for me is you, and you for me
So happy together
"
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The Turtles are a folk-rock band from Los Angeles that formed in 1965 and originally ran through 1970. They were headed by Howard Kaylan and Mark Volman (later known as Flo & Eddie) and are best known for their hit songs including "Happy Together", "She'd Rather Be With Me", "You Showed Me", "Elenore", and a Cover of Bob Dylan's "It Ain't Me Babe".

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Principal Members (Founding members in bold):

  • John Barbata - drums (1966–69)
  • Chip Douglas - bass (1966–67)
  • Howard Kaylan - keyboards, percussion, vocals (1965–70)
  • Joel Larson - drums (1966)
  • Don Murray - drums (1965–66)
  • Al Nichol - guitar, bass, keyboards, vocals (1965–70)
  • Jim Pons (1967–70)
  • Chuck Portz - bass (1965–66)
  • John Seiter - drums (1969–70)
  • Jim Tucker - guitar (1965–67)
  • Mark Volman - guitar, percussion, special effects, vocals (1965–70)


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Album Discography:

  • 1965 - It Ain't Me Babe
  • 1966 - You Baby
  • 1967 - Happy Together
  • 1968 - The Turtles Present the Battle of the Bands
  • 1969 - Turtle Soup
  • 1970 - Wooden Head (a collection of previously-unreleased stray tracks from earlier in their career)


The Turtles are the Trope Namer for:


"When you're with me baby the tropes will be blue for all my life":

  • Battle of the Bands: Their fourth studio album, released in 1968, was titled The Turtles Present the Battle of the Bands which was a Concept Album where they pretended to be 11 different bands.
  • The Big Guy: Mark Volman.
  • Biting-the-Hand Humor: "Elenore." Their initial follow-up singles to "Happy Together" flopped, and the record company told them that they needed another hit of that magnitude, so Kaylan reversed "Happy Together"'s chord progression and added joke lyrics such as "You're my pride and joy, et cetera."
  • Cover Version: While they wrote a lot of their own material, "Elenore" was their only self-composed major hit.
    • "You Showed Me" was a cover of a Byrds song.
    • Their first hit was a cover of "It Ain't Me Babe" by Bob Dylan.
    • They also covered "We'll Meet Again", best known as a Vera Lynn song.
    • Inverted with "Eve of Destruction". While Barry McGuire's version was a bigger hit and is much better known now, the Turtles actually recorded and released the song first. (Its songwriter, P.F. Sloan, penned several other songs for them, including the hits "You Baby" and "Let Me Be", the former with longtime writing partner Steve Barri. Amusingly, "You Baby" is itself a cover. It was originally first recorded as an unreleased track by The Vogues, before The Mamas & the Papas and The Grass Roots recorded it as an album track on their respective debut albums, both groups using the original instrumental track and recording a new vocal track over The Vogues.)
  • Broken Pedestal: According to Howard Kaylan, Jim Tucker left the group after they had an unpleasant encounter with John Lennon, who he idolized, at a London nightclub in 1967. Amusingly, however, Tucker himself actually denies this and claims that he simply left due to burnout from constantly touring and recording new material.
  • "Days of the Week" Song: "Somewhere Friday Night"
  • Fat and Skinny: Volman (fat) and Kaylan (skinny), especially after they became Flo and Eddie.
  • Funny Afro: Volman began sporting one in the late '60s, and at one point was reported to have gotten it insured for $100,000.
  • Genre Shift: They started out as a Garage Rock/Surf Rock band called The Crossfires, before going into the folk rock/pop direction that made them famous.
  • Groupie Brigade: In his autobiography Howard Kaylan makes clear that even though he and Volman didn't possess teen idol looks, they still attracted plenty of groupies in the band's heyday.
  • Heterosexual Life-Partners: Kaylan and Volman first met in chorus class in high school, and over 50 years later still maintain a professional music partnership.
  • Longest Song Goes Last:
    • "Like a Rolling Stone" on It Ain't Me Babe (3:10)
    • "Rugs of Woods and Flowers" on Happy Together (3:00)
    • "Earth Anthem" on The Turtles Present the Battle of the Bands (3:53)
  • Long Title: "Who Would Ever Think That I Would Marry Margaret".
  • Money Song: "Gas Money"
  • My Nayme Is: A very literal case when Howard Kaplan decided to change his last name to Kaylan.
  • Nerd Glasses: Favored by Volman.
  • One-Woman Song: "Elenore," "Rebecca"
  • Protest Song: "Eve of Destruction", "Let Me Be"
  • Rearrange the Song: In their later career as Flo & Eddie, Volman and Kaylan recorded a faster, punchier rendition of "Elenore" and a Reggae version of "Happy Together".
  • Record Producer:
    • The Turtles' first two albums, It Ain't Me Babe and You, Baby, were the first major producing efforts of Bones Howe, who had already gained some recognition in the music industry for engineering several hits by artists such as The Mamas & the Papas, Jan and Dean, Johnny Rivers, and Gary Lewis & the Playboys. Howe would later reap greater success producing for The Association and The Fifth Dimension. (Technically, on It Ain't Me Babe, Howe was credited for "studio direction", with the actual producer credits going to Ted Feigin and Lee Lasseff, the label heads of White Whale Records, The Turtles' record label. Howe would finally get full producer credit on You, Baby, again sharing producer credits with Feigin and Lasseff.)
    • Bassist Chip Douglas left in 1967 to become one of these for The Monkees, although he'd return to produce The Turtles Present the Battle of the Bands.
    • Ray Davies of The Kinks produced Turtle Soup.
  • Red Oni, Blue Oni: Volman (red) would run around the stage doing antics while Kaylan (blue) would stay at the mic doing his lead vocal and act like he didn't notice.
  • Revolving Door Band: Kaylan, Volman and Nichol were there from beginning to end, but there was a lot of turnover among the other musicians.
  • Self-Plagiarism: "You Don't Have to Walk in the Rain" is an obvious musical rewrite of "Elenore".
  • Silly Love Songs: "You Showed Me," "She'd Rather Be With Me". "Happy Together" brings the trope into conscious self-parody, "Elenore" even more so.
  • The Something Song: "The Walking Song"
  • Sudden Name Change:
    • After building a following in Southern California as The Crossfires, when they signed a record contract their manager told them to become The Turtles, since it was close to The Beatles and would make people think they were British instead of American, which didn't hurt back in 1965.
    • When they were with Zappa, Kaylan was The Phlorescent Leech and Volman was Eddie. When they released The Phlorescent Leech & Eddie in 1972, the cover photo had Volman on the left and Kaylan on the right, making it look like Volman should be The Phlorescent Leech, so they went ahead and switched identities.
  • Surfer Dude: "Surfer Dan"
  • Turtle Power: It's in the band's name. Their last original studio album was titled Turtle Soup.
  • Uncommon Time: "Grim Reaper of Love" has verses in 5/4 time.
  • Ur-Example: They sued De La Soul for Sampling "You Showed Me" on "Transmitting Live From Mars," and won a large settlement, making them the first act to respond to sampling in that way and setting a legal precedent for the industry.
  • Xtreme Kool Letterz: In response to The Beatles and The Byrds, they briefly renamed themselves the "Tyrtles", but it didn't take.
  • Younger Than They Look: When "Happy Together" hit #1, Kaylan and Volman were both 19, but Kaylan could've passed for 30 and Volman for mid-20s.

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