"Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."Basically, the trope is about the attitudes of those who actually belong (or think they belong) in a particular category, and those who actually know them, or think they do (including their enemies) towards those who pretend to be in the category. Vampires towards Vampire Wannabes, Big Bads towards Big Bad Wannabes, real heroes towards Heroic Wannabes - you get the drift. The trope also has a number of Real Life and less fantastic counterparts, not least because of the (minor) distinctions differentiating those who would admit (if reluctantly) that yes, We ARE Struggling Together. The attitude can vary from amused to outraged, and express itself in anything from shrugging and snarking through more serious annoyance to termination with extreme prejudice. It is not, however, incompatible with using the wannabe as The Renfield, Sycophantic Servant, or treating a group of wannabes as "useful idiots", minions, or Cannon Fodder. It can be justified (or not) according to a number of different variables, such as whether the wannabe(s) actually stand any chance (by nature or nurture) of achieving their Wannabe goals, whether it would actually make them happy (or cool) if they did (cf. Be Careful What You Wish For, I Hate You, Vampire Dad, Super Loser), and whether there is something... questionable about their reasons for wannabeing it in the first place (e.g. white middle class suburbanite kids pretending to be gangsta rappers, or claiming to be "spiritually" Native American, or hardcore anime fans from the west who try to emulate Japanese culture). This trope is not uncommon (depending on self-awareness) in those on the receiving end of in-universe Fan Dumb and Misaimed Fandom, let alone in-universe versions of Draco in Leather Pants delusions. Also not uncommon, conversely, by despisers of both, whether for or against the relevant misapprehensions. Not that the disdain always goes in one direction. The wannabes might well be trying to "clean up" the genuine guys' ethos or subculture, thus declaring themselves The Moral Substitute. The real guys might also be seen by both the wannabes and the general public as elitists, jealously guarding for themselves something that is actually part of the mass culture. (See also It's Popular, Now It Sucks.) Bonus points if the wannabe uses phrases like "I want to be like you!" or "But I really do understand!" or "I totally am X!" See also Never Be a Hero. When the reason for the diss is youth and inexperience, it's While You Were in Diapers. Please keep Real Life examples light on Flame Bait.
— Lloyd Bentsen to Dan Quayle, 1988 US Vice-Presidential debate.
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- Oh man, Fate/stay night. Shirou and Archer use copied weapons in a copied combat style fighting for borrowed ideals in a battle way out of his league. Several characters have issues with this. He does score points, however, in that he has no illusions about it; He has no pride in his creations, but he knows that they aren't worthless at all. "Who says a copy can't surpass the original?"
- He also ends up doing this to Gilgamesh, calling the King of Heroes a one-trick pony like him because he uses his Gate of Babylon just as a weapon while not knowing how to use any of the huge number of weapons in it. That just pisses Gilgamesh off, since he does know how to use the two weapons within that belong solely to him and no other.
- From the same verse came Shiki Tohno from Tsukihime. At the end of the first route, Roa plays Smug Snake, trying to say he's Not So Different from Shiki since they've both died and they both see and can manipulate death. With Roa having royally pissed him off at that point, Shiki calmly asks whether Roa can see the "lines of death" on inanimate objects, and from that Shiki realizes that Roa really doesn't understand death at all. Afterwards, he calmly and quietly tears Roa apart. "I'll show you what it truly means to kill something."
- Hellsing: Alucard absolutely disdains Millennium's "Freak" artificial vampires. He disses most vampires, including his own fledgling. He even disses himself because he really does value humanity in his own warped way.
Alucard: Only a human can destroy a monster. Only a human can hope to.
- His opinion is that one must earn immortality. Becoming a vampire like he or the aritficals including Walter seems to be more taking it than earning. As for his fledgling, that was more toward her reluctance to drink blood and complete her transformation. In all honesty, he does admire humanity and may find himself to be a facsimile of the man he once was.
- A traitorous officer who became a vampire barges in on a Round Table meeting and holds a gun to Integra's head, she reminds him that he's only a mere fledgeling vampire and her organization has been hunting vampires for over a century before Walter dices him to pieces.
- Xanxus from Katekyo Hitman Reborn! constantly insults Tsuna and his family about not being real mafia. Granted they are all junior high students.
- One early episode of Vampire Princess Miyu includes a subplot where a young man suspects there's something otherworldly about her. After she's dealt with the Shinma of the Week, he demands she make him a vampire, too, gushing about how amazing her powers are. Miyu calmly but firmly refuses, calling him out for just wanting power so he can abuse it, then turns to leave. He chases after her into the fog... and runs right off the building. Splat.
Miyu: At least you won't be bored any more.
- At Muteki Kanban Musume, Miki and Akihiko discover a high school student out of school drawing pathetic graffiti and ask him what is he doing:
Victim of the Week: Isn’t that obvious? Being a Delinquent.
Akihiko: So you call yourself a delinquent with doodles like that? Your delinquency is still lacking. These days, the popular thing would be, a drawing like this, and a curve here... Basically, something like this.
(a screaming skull shouts: "Welcome!! To Hell")
Victim of the Week: Senpai, you're amazing!
- In A Certain Magical Index, Brunhild Eiktobel is one of the Valkyries. When she meets GREMLIN member Hel, who emulates the Norse Goddess Hel, Brunhild mocks her as an idiot and says she used to have that title.
- Dragon Ball Super - the first time Goku Black fights Vegeta, he wins decisively. The second time, Vegeta just whales on him while lecturing him on how someone who stole another warrior's body will never get as much use out of it as a real Saiyan.
- When Kenshin is fighting Senkaku in Rurouni Kenshin, Senkaku tries to do a Badass Boast about how dangerous he is because he's killed 99 people (quite a few of which were probably helpless civilians, incidentally) and wants to make Kenshin number 100. Saito, who is sitting on the sidelines during the fight and has done everything from fighting bloody civil wars to putting down rebellions and conspiracies against the government, responds by snorting in derision and saying something along the lines of "Only 99? And you even bother to call yourself a warrior?"
- Cassidy from Preacher, faced with Les Enfants du Sang, a group of Vampire Wannabes: "Bunch of poncy rich kid goth wannabes." Though he isn't any nicer to the actual vampire who cultivates their fanboyism and uses them as food stock, possibly because the guy acts like every vamp cliché in the book. (That book being The Vampire Lestat, not Dracula).
- The Sandman has a few examples:
- In Collectors, the actual serial killers take this attitude to the fanboy who has infiltrated their "Cereal Convention". When they penetrate his cover, the fanboy's fate is...unpleasant.
- Thessaly's disdainful attitude towards neo-pagans; she herself is an ancient and ruthless witch who would under no circumstances act like a cuddly environmentalist in harmony with all things. Perhaps unusually, this isn't meant to be a Take That! to make the audience feel superior — she's frightening (almost monstrous) in her behaviour and prickly in attitude, and Death rather definitively disagrees with her on one important point.
- Another example: Morpheus's response to the ghost of Hector Hall calling himself "The Sandman" is — in stark contrast to his usual behavior — laughing his head off.
- Vampires Dave and Jerome in Life Sucks are really just regular guys who happen to subsist on blood and be burned by sunlight, but even they manage some contempt for people like Rosa's ex-boyfriend, a melodramatic Goth who goes around in a black cape. And when Rosa, not knowing Dave is a vampire, wishes she were one, he shows some exasperation at her fantasy of what life as a vampire would be like.
- Johnny the Homicidal Maniac takes the "extermination with extreme prejudice" route when Jimmy the wannabe homicidal maniac shows up at his door, raving about his "work." This is a reminder to the reading audience that ours is a Villain Protagonist.
- In one issue of Green Lantern Corps, Kyle Rayner confronts Sinestro, who tells him something along the lines of "I want the real Green Lantern". Rayner responds, "A few years ago, that would have stung, but not any more. You want the REAL Green Lantern? You're looking at him."
- The climax of The Flash storyline "The Return of Barry Allen."
Professor Zoom: You can't do this to me! Not to me... I'm... I'm Barry Allen...
Wally West: Is that so? Mister, I knew Barry Allen, and believe me... you're no Barry Allen!
- In Star Wars: Legacy, Darth Krayt summons the spirits of the ancient Sith Lords Darth Andeddu, Darth Bane, and Darth Nihilus and tries to ask for advice. They pretty much tell him to screw himself, calling him a phony Sith Lord doomed to fail because he disobeyed the Rule of Two.
- This is a particularly odd case, in that Andeddu and Nihilus had been dead for thousands of years when Bane instituted the Ruleof Two. They just found Krayt's rather unimpressive methods unworthy of their title.
- One Ultimate Spider-Man comic had the Hobgoblin, who in this continuity is a huge, monstrous juggernaut with fire powers (and is Harry Osborne), go on a rampage. When Nick Fury orders him to stand down he says "This is a full-trained Hulkbuster unit!! You know, for The Hulk. And you, kiddo, are no Hulk."
- Batman: During Knightfall, Nightwing delivers one of these to Jean-Paul Valley when the two fight.
I don't care what anyone says. This is Batman. That thing? You can pump out as many toys as you like, but uh-uh. No. I mean, come on, he doesn't even have a damn Batmobile!
- In Batman (vol. 2) #42, a pair of children are shown playing with action figures of the original Batman and the new James Gordon Batman. The kid playing with the original version has this to say:
- In New Maps of Hell, Martian Manhunter has this to say when they discovered the "god" they were fighting (who'd ravaged Mars in the distant past) was merely a highly advanced artificial intelligence with, well, a god complex. "We're the Justice League. We've beaten up real gods and made them cry. You are nothing to us."
- In issue #4 of Secret Wars, God-Emperor Doom descends on the survivors of Earth 616 and Earth 1610, calling out "RICHARDS!"
The Maker (Earth 1610's Reed Richards): Is he talking to me? I don't really care for his tone.
Maximus: No. He is most certainly not talking to you.
- At the climax of Civil War, Hercules delivers one to the Pro-Reg side's evil Thor clone.
Hercules: How darest thou wear the flesh of the Odinson! I knew Thor...Thor was a friend of mine. And you know something, imposter? THOU ART NO THOR!
- Batman towards Spider-Man in I'm a Marvel... and I'm a DC, upon learning the web-slinger wants to be more like him. That said, he never disses Spider-Man for his actual heroism, and later tells Superman that he thinks Spidey is a pretty impressive and admirable hero. You could go even further into Alternate Character Interpretation and say that Batman secretly wishes he was like Spider-Man, since both took a lot of crap in their lives but Spidey is heroic without being moody and depressing — exactly why he's annoyed that Spidey wants to be more like him.
- In Getting Back on Your Hooves, Checker Monarch as a last-ditch effort transforms into an Alicorn. The heroes are not impressed, with Rarity remarking that they've already beaten a real Alicorn (Nightmare Moon), so beating a fake should be easy. They prove it.
- Pony POV Series: The Blank Wolf kills an Expy of Nahamt and calls it a disgrace to wolves.
Films — Animation
- The Incredibles has Buddy, a powerless (though talented) fanboy of Mr. Incredible. Bob brushes him off for several reasons, among them that he was just a kid, that he followed Mr. Incredible around to incessantly harass him (which put Buddy and others in very real, life-threatening danger), and that he was really, really irritating. Unfortunately, Buddy took the brush-off as Bob saying he'll Never Be a Hero because he hasn't got superpowers and grew up to massacre innocent Supers specifically to screw over Bob in revenge.
- Turtles Forever:
- 2003 Raph tries to suck up to the more badass Mirage Turtles by ripping on the 1987 Turtles' initialed belt buckles. This causes his Mirage counterpart to roughly twist his arm behind him before shoving him. The Mirage Turtles first comments to the others are mumblings about "colored bandanas" and "wannabes". As a kind of Brick Joke, Mirage Michaelangelo says he kinda dug the belt buckles in the ending scene.
- 2003 Shredder is disgusted by 1987 Shredder and says he takes the Shredder's name in vain.
Films — Live-Action
- Blade: Big Bad Deacon Frost is dissed as a Vampire Wannabe by the elder vampires despite actually being a vampire (in this universe, some vampires are born vampires while others are born human and turned, and Frost was turned). As probably the only person on this page who didn't wilt under the repeated Pretender Diss, he proceeds to torture the head vampire to death and sacrifice the rest for his evil scheme. That'll show 'em. Bonus points for said evil scheme being to transform himself into the vampire god. Especially since said scheme worked (mostly). Ironically, Frost also says the reverse to Blade himself (who, being half-vampire as a result of having been infected by vampire blood as a fetus in his mother's womb, is arguably more of a vampire than even Frost is): "Oh, back to pretending we're human again?"
- The Dark Knight: Batman scolds the band of vigilantes.
Batman Wannabe: What gives you the right? What's the difference between you and me?
Batman: I'm not wearing hockey pads!
- Bane has his own taunt for Batman during their fight in The Dark Knight Rises.
Bane: You think the darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, and by then, it was nothing to me but blinding! The shadows betray you, because they belong to me!
- In Batman Returns the Penguin gives Batman a dose of his own medicine with "You're just jealous, because I'm a genuine freak and you have to wear a mask!" Batman admits he may have a point.
- The Maltese Falcon: Sam Spade has venomous contempt for wannabe tough-guy and "gunsel", Wilmer.
- The Matrix Reloaded. Neo and the rest of the crew of the Nebuchadnezzar can't stand the Kid, who's always following them around and bothering them because he wants to become a member of the crew too.
- In SLC Punk!, the movie's beginning is largely about the main character explaining who the fake punks are and why he hates them. It closes with him finally admitting that he is himself a poser, accepting it, and moving on from the lifestyle.
- In the music documentary on No-Wave, Kill Your Idols:
- A few of the interviewees express hatred for modern music, which they deem to be full of wannabes compared to their generation of music, which they consider to be legit. The most outspoken on this side of the scale is probably Lydia Lunch.
- Lydia, in turn, is generally dismissed as a bad joke by performance artists.
- William Munny's reaction to the Schofield Kid in Unforgiven.
- From Carlito's Way : Carlito Brigante does not like gangster wannabes. At all.
Carlito: Who the fuck are you? I should remember you? What, you think you like me? You ain't like me motherfucker, you a punk. I've been with made people, connected people. Who've you been with? Chain snatching, jive-ass, maricon motherfuckers. Why don't you get out of here and go snatch a purse?
- The villain bikers in Wild Hogs don't like Tim Allen's little group because they're a bunch of middle-aged men who just bike for fun instead of riding across the nation leaving terror in their wake, and call them posers. Then it gets turned around on them when their hero shows up and points out that they're a gang of fifty-someodd young men in their prime; and four middle-aged office workers, who only bike for the wind in their hair and the road beneath their wheels, are standing up to them; so who's the poser again?
- In the wretched 80s rock/horror flick Trick or Treat, the protagonist verbally provokes the Satanic rocker's ghost to lure him into a trap. He finally succeeds in getting the reaction he wants by calling the ghost a fucking wimp poser.
- In the original Fright Night (1985), vampire Jerry Dandridge shakes Peter Vincent's hand, telling him that he's seen all of his old vampire-hunter films and found them very amusing. He and Billy later poke fun at Peter's show dialogue.
- In the Spawn film, The Clown gets annoyed by three moronic Satanists and asks, "Why does God get all the good guys and we get all the retards?"
- In Drive Angry, The Accountant mocks the Satanists and says that Satan hates them too. This is because, Satan and his minions are not evil, they are merely the enforcers of Hell, and are annoyed that humans think they are evil.
- In the final rap battle in 8 Mile, Jimmy reveals that Papa Doc is a well-off guy named Clarence from a stable family and went to a private school. Jimmy, despite being white trash, has far more in common with the poor black community in downtown Detroit because he's actually from there and went through the same things they did.
- In Enter the Fat Dragon, Sammo Hung's character, a Bruce Lee fan, runs afoul of a Bruce Lee Clone who is an arrogant bully. Sammo kicks the guy's ass and says, "Bruce Lee is my hero! You can't destroy my idol! Try harder if you want to imitate him!"
- In Quigley Down Under, Quigley remarks to Marston before their Showdown at High Noon, "This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."
- In Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens, Kylo Ren tries to interrogate the scavenger Rey about the whereabouts of his former master and uncle Luke Skywalker. So he tries to probe her mind using the Force, but he mistakenly unlocks her Force potential, and Rey sees into his mind in return. This leads her to say "You're afraid that you will never be as strong as Darth Vader!", his hero and grandfather, which alarms him.
- In Neil Gaiman's novel American Gods, Mr. Wednesday expresses hatred towards a neo-Pagan waitress who doesn't know anything about the religion she's following. His exact words were "doesn't have the faith and won't have the fun". Further, he knew all of her sins, some of which were pretty heinous; she's even shown to be a pretender there, because Wednesday made it clear he felt that, terrible though the actual acts of wrongdoing were, the worst was that once she reached the point of no return she would chicken out rather than follow through on her transgressions.
- Another example: Shadow does a coin trick to entertain a young girl. Jackal, one of the Egyptian gods, says, “I saw Harry Houdini once, and believe me, man, you are no Harry Houdini.”
- Good Omens:
- Demons are said to feel like this towards satanists, whom they also treat as useful idiots.
- There is also a later reference to how Hell's Angels feel about weekend bikers. On the other hand, literal Hell's angels (well, the Badass Bikers of the Apocalypse), tolerate the Hell's Angels they meet, finding them rather cute — though not enough to avoid leading them to their deaths, in passing and without even bothering to laugh at them.
- A similar approach to satanists is taken by the demons in Mike Carey's Felix Castor novels.
- Literary vampires in general tend to take this view, combined with the "useful idiots" angle, towards human admirers, whether this is Played for Drama (Stoker) or Played for Laughs (Terry Pratchett, Christopher Moore). The Renfield version of the useful idiot wannabe often features here.
- Occurs sometimes in The Dresden Files:
- At least one Black Court vampire was contemptuous of a crowd of LARP players in vampire get-up (ironically, one of their number really was a relatively decent White Court vampire), but for the most part, vampires don't rate their food highly enough to feel proper disdain. Vampires like Lara Raith are pretty businesslike about the whole thing (including eating their own wounded servitors), which is made all the more chilling by the fact that Lara can be quite warm and empathetic to humans she respects.
- Done again in another short story in which Dresden is confronted by a small group of teens wearing a combination of goth and "wizard" garb (as in Slytherin scarfs). They were upset that Dresden removed a curse so weak he could barely detect it (he basically improved the feng shui of the place, which removed the "curse" as an incidental), placed by the leader (assuming there was one in the first place). Dresden laughs at them and points out that none of them have any real magical potential, then pulls a gun on them when they threaten him.
- In Alan Dean Foster's Glory Lane, punk rock guy Seeth points out you can always tell the posers by their nice shoes.
- In Codex Alera, Aldrick ex Gladius, regarded as one of the greatest swordsmen alive, is legendary partly because of his famed duel with Araris Valerian. At multiple points throughout the series he crosses swords with other famed warriors, calmly informing each of them "The only man who has ever matched me in battle was Araris Valerian himself, and you aren't Araris." When it turns out that one of them actually is Araris, Aldrick practically collapses.
- The first line in X-Wing: Rogue Squadron is Wedge Antilles knocking an overconfident rookie pilot down several pegs with "You're good, Corran, but you're no Luke Skywalker." When the squadron is officially formed Wedge makes sure to remind the next generation of pilots that they'll never be considered as good as those who fought and died before their time. Corran's mental response is "I can dream, can't I?"
- In the Bernard Cornwell novel "Scoundrel" a group of Provisional IRA members have great contempt for their Irish-American supporters who think that simply giving money to The Cause entitles them to think of themselves as 'freedom fighters'. The IRA men like to invite these posers to visit Ireland and then have them beaten and robbed by other IRA members posing as Protestants or British police.
- This is the theme of The Great Gatsby: The Old Money West Egg will never accept Nouveau Riche Gatsby.
- Jack McDevitt uses this a few times, mostly regarding (xeno-) archaeology:
- In the Alex Benedict series, real archaeologists often have this attitude toward Benedict, an antiques dealer who is basically only in it for the money. He does get occasional respect for not having messed a site up too badly, but in general, the real scientists loathe his breed, even if they grudgingly come to tolerate him personally.
- The Priscilla Hutchins series is much the same, except that in this case, the archaeologists are the protagonists (except for Hutch, who's a pilot working for the Academy), and their scorn for the amateurs tends to be better justified.
- Andrew Vachss's Burke was a mercenary in the past. He knows what it's really like: no glamorous work. Part of his "day job" involves scamming those fool enough to want to be mercenaries themselves.
- In Elmore Leonard's Pronto; Nicky is a mobster wannabe who bluffed his way into a job with a small-time Miami mob boss. When he and Professional Killer Tommy Bucks go to Italy, Tommy and the Italian mafiosi quickly realize how big a poser Nicky is and insult him to his face. Since Nicky does not know Italian, it takes him days to understand that he is being insulted. Nicky's status as a Butt Monkey only increases when he is sent out to kill US Marshal Raylan Givens and he chickens out multiple times. Interestingly, Nicky instinctively recognizes how extremely dangerous Raylan Givens is and is thus unwilling to do anything Raylan might consider to be a threat. In contrast, the hardened Italian hitmen who mocked Nicky go right at Raylan and straight to their deaths.
- In God-Emperor of Dune the terraforming of Arrakis has reduced the Fremen, once the hardest warriors in the Empire, to tourist attraction staff who just go through the motions of the old rituals while hassling people for money. Duncan Idaho refuses to acknowledge them as Fremen.
- Being Human: Mitchell responds to a wannabe-vamp girl who wants to be fed on by sending her away and later feeding her to a friend.
- A recurring issue between vamps, the Slayer, the Scoobies and Vampire Wannabes in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
- A specific example occurs in the episode "Lie to Me." Angel is investigating a club full of vampire wannabes, bemoaning the fact that these teenagers don't know anything about vampires, from the way they act to the way they dress. Cue a wannabe brushing past him wearing exactly the same clothes as Angel.
- People who like to be fed on, including Buffy's long term boyfriend Riley.
- And Willow dismisses most of the neo-pagans at her college (except Tara) as a "bunch of wannablessedbes", since they have no idea that magic exists and how witches are really like.
Spike: You stay in on Halloween. Those are the rules.
Random Vampire: Me and mine don't follow rules. We're rebels!
Spike: No, I'm a rebel. You're an idiot.
- Subverted in one Halloween Episode, where Willow is ranting about all of the people dressed up as stereotypical witches. In the middle of her "If I see one more—" line, a little girl dressed up as a Wicked Witch walks in and Willow immediately switches to going on about how adorable she is.
- The bikers of Sons of Anarchy do not like posers. However, they usually skip the dissing and go right to severe beating, especially if they feel the poser is disrespecting their colors or their motorcycle.
- The monster hunters dislike wannabe-hunters, since they tend to derive their knowledge of monsters from popular fiction — which can get them and others killed. When Dean meets Samuel, Samuel tests him with a question about vampires that a wannabe would fail.
- Sam and Dean are also very derisive of Vampire Wannabes and vampire fandom in general. Supernatural's vampires are, with very few exceptions, brutal killers who will use their fans for food without second thought. And the exceptions don't act anything like Pattinson.
- Death himself delivers one to a power-tripping Castiel in the season seven premiere. "I know God, and you, sir, are no God."
- True Blood: In the opening scene of the series, a redneck vampire threatens a frat boy and a goth clerk pretending to be a vampire.
Frat Boy: (dismissively) Fuck you.
Vampire: Fuck me? I'll fuck you, boy! I'll fuck ya, and then I'll eat ya. [bares his fangs]
[The frat boy and his girlfriend run off. The vampire places a 6-pack of TruBlood on the counter and addresses the now-terrified clerk.]
Vampire: You ever pretend to be one of us again, and I'll kill you. [smiles] You have a nice day now!
- Star Trek:
- Worf, in both The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, gets this frequently because he was raised by humans and serves in Starfleet with its mission of peaceful exploration. The first time he does serve with Klingons, he doesn't fit in because he's spent his life patterning himself as what Klingon stories say: serious and honor-bound, rather than a bunch of hard-drinking Boisterous Bruisers. Expect any Klingon adversary in a given episode to tell him, at some point, that he's not a real Klingon.
- Also from DS9 is Jadzia Dax, who used to be Curzon Dax, an Ambadassador who brokered the peace treaty between the Federation and the Klingon Empire and became a bit of an honorary Klingon himself. Most Klingons treat her with the same respect that they would Curzon, but one notable exception is Martok's wife Sirella. When Jadzia wants to marry Worf, Sirella treats her not as Curzon but as an alien interloper riding on someone else's reputation.
- On Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, a group of genetically enhanced humans watch Legate Damar delivering an address to Dominion-occupied Cardassia, shortly after his former boss Dukat's fall from grace. While watching him, they repeatedly call him "the pretender" and one yells at him "You don't belong on that throne and you know it!"
- That Mitchell and Webb Look had a "Police Constable and Community Support Officer" sketch, which consisted of the PC constantly insulting the support officer for being 'pretend police' before beating him up for warning a kid off of cycling on the pavement.
- On Leverage, experienced combatant Elliot (who earned his experience doing deeds he now regards as morally indefensible) gets a few of moments over the course of the series. Summed up nicely when he and his Non-Action Guy friend have decided to go back after escaping a group of Right-Wing Militia Fanatic types, to stop them from carrying out a terrorist attack with plenty of collateral damage to civilians:
- Militia Leader: A soldier knows there are casualties in every war -Elliot: See, that's the difference between a real soldier and this little Halloween act you've got going. You're willing to kill to defend your rights. A real soldier is willing to die defending somebody else's.
- Implied at the end of the Scream: The TV Series' second season. In this universe, the Ghostface killers of season 1 and 2 actually were copycats inspired by Brandon James, a killer who committed a murder spree a few years ago. Season 2's final episode end with a hint that he is still alive, and paying a visit to surviving Ghostface Kieran to give him a piece of his mind.
- "Hello, Kieran. Who told you you could wear my mask?"
- Luke Cage: Zip walks into a meeting with Diamondback wearing sunglasses, in imitation of Shades, who has fallen out of favor with Diamondback. Diamondback's first reaction is "Take those off!" He still sets Zip up for a promotion.
- Pulp's "Common People" is a Take That! at rich kids playing at bohemian poverty. For some reason, it's also been the go-to song for satirists doing musical sketches about David Cameron.
- "Captain Anarchy" by Anti-Flag; basic gist, you can't be an anarchist if you buy designer jeans.
- Take a Frank Zappa song about hippies. Any Frank Zappa song about hippies.
Think I'll just drop out, I'll go to Frisco, buy a wig and sleep on Owsley's floor
I'll stay a week and get the crabs and take the bus back home
I'm really just a phony but forgive me 'cause I'm stoned!
- The Mindless Self Indulgence song "You'll Rebel To Anything" seems to be about this.
Boo fucking hoo, you're not the only one whose life's a piece of shit
And yet miraculously somehow we all seem to deal with it!
Did anybody think that you would really seriously slit your wrists?
In fact I think that everybody thinks you're seriously full of shit!
- Just as the above example, So much for suicide by Tiamat ridicules wannabes:
Animated junkies trying hard to be insane
With only water in your veins (...)
Momma's gonna make all of your nightmares go away
And death can wait for another day
So much for suicide — lots of talk but you never tried
A few pills short of a straight line, waking up still feeling fine
- Five Iron Frenzy's "All The Hype" is a bit of a Wannabe Diss at themselves. On that note, Reese was known to refuse to sign autographs so as not to allow the fame to go to his head.
- David Allan Coe's song "Jimmy Buffett" is a Take That! towards Buffett calling him out for living in Malibu, California ("Jimmy Buffett doesn't live in Key West anymore") and essentially calling Buffett a poser.
- The Dead Kennedys' "Holiday in Cambodia":
Play ethnicky jazz to parade your snazz
On your five grand stereo
Braggin' that you know how the n***s feel cold
And the slums got so much soul
- There are such things as standards, you know. Even for genres like Steam Punk. You can't just glue some gears on it.
- Manowar loves this trope. They refer to themselves as True Metal and many of their songs take jabs at wimps and posers ("LEAVE THE HALL!").
- Phil Ochs, a hard-left socialist folk singer, had a song "Love Me, I'm a Liberal" about squishy center-left middle-class limousine liberals.
- From the MilkCan album Make It Sweet!, the second half of interlude track "Radio Signal Jam" is a brief skit called "You Can Look Like You're Playing The Guitar Even Though You're Not That Good", mocking people who pretend to act like rock stars without the skill set to back that up.
- Ric Flair to Shane Douglas
"When the World Champion walks down the aisle, referee always lifts the rope, boy. (You wouldn't know anything about that.)"
- Eric Bischoff would refuse to let WCW's announcers know about anything that wasn't happening in the ring, so their dialog would supposedly sound more natural, like a "shoot". Bobby Heenan said Bischoff didn't know what a shoot was.
- Pretender disses made up most of Melina's dialog with any WWE "diva" who had gotten her job through the Diva Search, posed in Playboy Magazine, hadn't worked on independent circuit or hadn't worked in a foreign promotion. Basically, she parroted every complaint thrown at the "divas" since Madusa threw the WWF Women's title belt in the garbage on an episode of WCW Monday Nitro. As a former beauty queen, she also had a similar attitude toward Beth Phoenix calling herself a "Glamazon".
- In 2011, Vendetta Pro Wrestling Commissioner Christian Cole, having disputes with Billy Blade over ownership of the company and not appreciating Blade's treatment of the latino community, booked him in a match with Carlito Caribbean Cool. Believing that wrestling a Puerto Rican was a waste of his time, Blade tried to get out of the match by bringing in a Carlito "lookalike" who would throw the match. Cole wasn't convinced.
"This guy's not even tall enough to spit in the face of someone who does not want to be cool!"
- When Ricardo Rodriguez returned to WWC in 2015, he singled out El Illegal Chicano, who he insisted was not Chicano but a "Puerto Rican dog".
- Niche turned on the new World Wrestling League "La Rabia" stable after Dennis, Stephano and Noel Rodriguez became Trios Champions, saying they were a disgrace to the original movement because they left him on the under card. Then he called for original "Rabiosos" Mr. Big and Blitz to join him challenging for their tercias belts.
- Call of Cthulhu supplement The Cthulhu Companion, adventure "The Rescue". A werewolf despises two insane men who want to be werewolves like him. He has told them that the power of transformation lies within everyone and only the oppression of society and the lies of religion prevent people from using it. He has them perform ludicrous and humiliating "meditative rites" that he says will open their eyes to the truth (they're actually useless). He will kill either of them if they ever pose a threat to him.
- Shadowrun has the Elf Poser and Ork Poser disadvantages. Humans look on "posers" (normal humans who alter their bodies to look like elves or orks) as either pathetic or (for extremists) race-traitors; actual elves consider posers irritating and a little insulting. (Orks, by contrast, often avert the trope and embrace any poser who's orky enough.)
- Warhammer 40,000 has the rivalry between the Imperial Guard and various worlds' Planetary Defense Forces, similar to the Army/National Guard divide mentioned below. When the Redshirt Army looks down on you, you know you're bad.
- The gaming-humor document "The Munchkin File", about the four types of RPG player, repeatedly Lampshades alleged poser-like attitudes on the part of Munchkins ("I'm a Real Roleplayer too!").
- OG Loc from Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, a black kid who tries so hard to be gangsta it hurts to watch. His rapping is just as bad.
- Very minor example: In The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, you can give your sword to the blacksmiths to be sharpened, they do this by beating comically large hammers onto an anvil. Using your own hammer on the anvil gets you a response of "Hey, hey, amateurs shouldn't try to do this." Of course, smithing in real life is highly skilled labor and if you don't know what you're doing, you're probably going to screw over the poor sap using that sword (and quite possibly wreck the blacksmith's tools, as well). Especially Japanese smithing, which refines the metal as the blade's being shaped due to the low quality ore in that country.
- Mass Effect:
- The Reapers despise the A.I. geth who see them as their Gods — in fact, they find the worship (and the idea that the geth could ever be like them) insulting.
- Also, Renegade Shepard's dealings with Conrad Verner. Even Paragon Shepard, to some extent, although (s)he at least tries let him down gently in telling him he doesn't have what it takes.
- Which gets even better in the Citadel DLC — Shepard tells the villain, an evil clone of Shepard, that "Conrad Verner is better at being me than you!"
- Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2 has one. "Faker? I think you're the fake hedgehog around here. You're comparing yourself to me? Ha! You're not even good enough to be my fake!"
- In Final Fantasy Tactics A2, a Vaan impersonator speaks in Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe (that he and his fellow Penelo impersonator can't even keep straight!) for no obvious reason, constantly asserts that he is Vaan, and mangles his catch phrase. Luso isn't fooled for a moment and calls him out on it.
"Vaan": Nay, 'tis I, Vaan!... 'Twere this a play, I'd be leading man!
Luso: If this is a play, the acting's terrible.
- In Fire Emblem Awakening, Tiki has this initial reaction to "Marth," since she's a 3000-year-old dragon who knew "Mar-Mar" personally. But it doesn't take long for her to decide that maybe the appellation is fitting after all.
- Team Fortress 2 : Most of the domination lines against an enemy of the same class have shades of this:
Scout: Hit the road, bozo. Let a real scout get to work.Engineer: A real Texan woulda dodged that.Sniper: The bullets come out of the slim end, mate!Spy: You are an embarrassment to spies everywhere!
- Kate Beaton on Hark! A Vagrant presents: hipsters ruining everything. Even as she mocks those who complain that hipsters ruin everything.
- The Order of the Stick:
- The prequel book Start of Darkness has one as a Hannibal Lecture from Xykon to Redcloak: Xykon mocks Redcloak for being "whiny, 'evil, but for a good cause'" rather than "capital-E Evil" and explains to him that he'll never be as effective a villain as Xykon because he, unlike Xykon, has lines he won't cross.
- Xykon (a sorcerer whose magic power comes naturally to him) has been on the receiving end of this from wizards (whose magic requires study and effort). He vents his resentment about this while defeating Dorukan by repeated applications of brute-force magic.
- In the comics proper, he gives a Hannibal Lecture to Vaarsuvius about the nature of Power after dispelling his Soul Splices.
- Blip got three friends, a witch, a vampire and a cyborg. So they had a "Movie Marathon" of things they "love" most: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Twilight, and Terminator Salvation.
- Girl Genius has a big armored red dragon doing this to Franz, the Heterodyne guardian. Franz thinks him a prettyboy who talks too much, though he does seem to be losing the fight, until Agatha gives him a recharge.
Red dragon: Clearly you are naught but a sideshow wonder — sprung from the fevered blasphemies of some half-wit student of outdated alchemy.
Franz: Wot? But— I mean, aren't we all?
- Batman Beyond:
- In Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, this comes up during the climactic fight, and gets an Ironic Echo when Terry, the new Batman, taunts The Joker with "I thought you wanted to make Batman laugh!"
- Another variation appears in the series pilot, as the Jokerz, a street gang styled after The Joker, face Bruce Wayne, thinking he's just some old man.
Jokerz Leader: Who do you think you're talking to, old man? We're the Jokerz!
Bruce: Sure you are. (decks him with a bit of Cane Fu)
- Also during the pilot, after Terry steals the Batsuit and gets into a fight with Mr. Fixx, who murdered Terry's father:
Mr. Fixx: You're pretty strong for some clown who thinks he's Batman.
Terry: I AM BATMAN!
- Along the same line and for much the same reasons, Beck in TRON: Uprising gets a fair amount of snark from everyone - enemies, potential allies, criminals, and even Tron's former apprentices about trying to pass himself off as the legendary hero, who most Programs believed died in the coup.
- The Simpsons:
- Lisa receives a failing grade on a test and the rest of her class accepts her as one of them, "normal". When it turns out that her test wasn't a failing grade, they shun her as "gifted", and therefore, "fake normal".
- Subverted in another episode, where Lisa has to do a school report on her family's ancestry. Dismissing her Anglo/French roots as too bland, she decides to pass as part-Native American and invents a fictional tribe to belong to. Her ploy backfires when some actual Native Americans in the area not only believe her, but invite her to speak at a large Native American conclave about her experiences - and, of course, Lisa doesn't have any! At the conference, she confesses that she made everything up....prompting half the attendees at the conclave to shamefully stand up and confess that they are impostor Native Americans, too! One of the genuine Indians at the meeting, however, is not offended and takes the fakery as flattery: "Who wouldn't want to be like us?!"
- Though in the end, it's revealed she does have some marginal Native American hertitage from Homer's side of the family.
- South Park played with this trope a while back in an episode featuring the hilariously snarky "Goth Kids". The Twilight movies have just become popular, and quite a few of the "cool" kids at school have begun dressing like vampires (complete with fangs and capes, and drinking tomato juice while pretending it's blood). The Goth quartet already seen in earlier episodes is annoyed at this, especially since they now get mistaken for vampires themselves due to their antiquated black clothing and Looks Like Cesare face paint. They angrily tell the "little Justin and Britney wannabes" to stop pretending to be somebody they're not... but, ironically, the Goths fit this description themselves. In fact, it's revealed that the only difference between them and the "vampire" kids is that they chose to become "Goth" not as the result of a fad, but because they were social outcasts who were picked on by the other children and so decided to embrace their outsider status as dramatically as possible — that, and also the fact that they presumably made their costumes and makeup at home rather than buying them prefab from Hot Topic at the mall. They end up giving a speech before the entire school in which they pointedly explain the differences between Goths and "vampires". And burning Hot Topic to the ground so the vamp-kids can't buy their clothes any more.
- A Villainous example from Avatar: The Last Airbender:
Azula: I can see your whole history in your eyes. You were born with nothing. So you had to struggle, and connive, and claw your way to power. But true power, the divine right to rule, is something you're born with. The fact is they don't know which one of us is going to be sitting on that throne and which one is going to be bowing down. But I know and you know. (sits on the throne) Well?
Long Feng:....(kneels before Azula) You've beaten me at my own game.
Azula: Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player.
- In the The Legend of Korra episode "The Voice in the Night", Tarrlok brings up Aang's defeat of a man named Yakone 42 years before the start of the series during his speech calling for an anti-Amon task force, resulting in...
Tenzin: This is a completely different situation, and how dare you compare yourself to Avatar Aang!
- Justice League:
- A thug, being threatened by the Flash, in the episode "Secret Society" just before Flash drops him off a building to get some information:
Thug: Look buddy, I know Batman. I once ratted out a counterfeiter to Batman. And believe me, you are no Batm— AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
- Another variation shows up in "Hereafter", when Lobo tries to invite himself into the League to replace Superman after his apparent death:
Wonder Woman: You're no Superman.
Lobo: The ladies say different.
- A thug, being threatened by the Flash, in the episode "Secret Society" just before Flash drops him off a building to get some information:
- In Star Wars: Clone Wars, Assaj Ventress declares herself a Sith Lord, only for Count Dooku, a real Sith Lord, to mock and beat her down. Specifically, Dooku tells Ventress how he senses fear in her, which a true Sith would lack. While fear can indeed be used to draw power from The Dark Side, a Sith is supposed to draw power instead from hatred.
- Batman: The Animated Series:
- Harley Quinn once dressed as a sexy policewoman (light blue shirt, dark blue knee-length skirt, billed cap, baton, and whistle) while crashing a police banquet held in Commissioner Gordon's honor. Renee Montoya, who is an actual policewoman, was not amused by this.
- Harvey Bullock is always giving Batman a hard time. He mostly seems to hold Batman in contempt for doing the police's work with his vigilantism despite the fact that Bullock, though honest, is possibly the most slovenly-behaved cop in Gotham. And, just like Batman, he's been known to rough up suspects and neglect proper procedures.
- "Birds of a Feather" has the Penguin being mocked for trying to pass himself off as one of Gotham's cultural elite (and failing miserably). He doesn't take it well.
- In a Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode "Deep Cover for Batman!", Dyna-Mite calls Batman on impersonating Owlman, paraphrasing Bentsen's famous diss (see page quote and Real Life section).
Dyna-Mite: I know Owlman. Owlman is a friend of mine. You're no Owlman.
- In The Venture Bros. Brock Sampson pulls this twice on 21 on two separate occasions: both times 21 makes a big deal about settling their score once and for all Brock coldly replies "do I know you?" The first time it ends badly for 21, but the second time around "Two-Ton 21" actually puts up a good enough fight to earn Brock's respect.
- In the Kim Possible episode "Number One", Global Justice agent Will Du radiates disdain for Team Possible, insisting that world-saving should be left to the trained professionals.
- One of the most famous examples: "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy." Context for this example, since it is cited so many times in this article: just before the debate, the Democrats were making an issue of Quayle's young age, and whether he was old enough to be president. He pointed out that JFK had been even younger when he became president. It seems plausible that much of Senator Bentsen's outrage at Quayle daring to compare himself to Kennedy was feigned, since mentioning Kennedy was an obvious counterargument to the age argument. The age issue quickly disappeared from the campaign; the "no Jack Kennedy" meme was more effective anyway. "More effective" being a relative term, since the Bush/Quayle ticket defeated Dukakis/Bentsen by a large margin. Also, Bentsen was in private business during much of Kennedy's political career (they did in fact serve together in the House from 1948 — when Bentsen took his seat — to 1953 — when Kennedy was elected to the Senate) and never was a friend of John Kennedy, as annoyed Kennedy people pointed out.
- La Vey Satanists towards Satan worshippers. (Well, the ones that look up to them anyway.) It also goes the other way around.
- Professional soldiers often feel this way towards any reservist which isn't proper military (the exact details of which depend on the country). And, of course, Inter Service Rivalry is a trope for a reason.
- For example, in the United States, Army National Guardsmen and Army Reservists are often referred to as "weekend warriors" by the Regular Army, which views them as incompetent liabilities. That said, this attitude has diminished a fair amount, given the the National Guard and Reserves have been deployed almost as long as the active-duty Army.
- Similar to Soldiers/National Guard: Police towards security guards, though this is less cops adopting the "rent-a-cop" meme as spillover annoyance at a vocal minority of security guards (especially armed security) claiming they are "legitimate" law enforcement officers.
- Also, professional soldiers towards "militarized" police departments, with many an op-ed piece being written by military veterans arguing that many police officers lack the actual military discipline and training of actual soldiers, despite their adoption of body armor, assault rifles, camo fatigues, and armored vehicles. Expect the comparison to also come up whenever a shoot-out occurs and the police officers fail to demonstrate proper marksmanship.
- And then, all of the above towards Right Wing Militia Fanatics.
- The disdain that "Old Money" families stereotypically have towards the Nouveau Riche. Assuming the upstarts stay around for more than a generation or two, this becomes their attitude towards the even newer money. And the cycle continues...
- The Bourgeois Bohemian gets this a lot, and from both ends of the U.S. political spectrum (liberals in Case "A", conservatives in Case "B").
- The standard phrase for any "serious actor" who hasn't got talent — or, at least, nearly as much talent as they think they do? "X, you're no Meryl Streep."
- People who read pre-Twilight era vampire books feel this towards Twilight and its Follow the Leader style books. Of course, some of them can get just as vehement about what vampires are and are not ("scary!" "romantic!" "nocturnal only!" "sparkles during the day!" etc.) that they're almost as bad.
- Common complaints among EMT personnel are aimed at well-meaning but clueless good Samaritans who engage in Hollywood-style healing and end up making the situation worse for the afflicted person.
- People officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome or other autism-spectrum disorders tend to view the ever-increasing multitude of self-diagnosed cases as posers. Or "jackasses making up excuses". It doesn't help that said array of self-diagnosed morons have turned the entire spectrum into an Internet punchline, to the point that a fair number of people don't believe anything less severe than Rain Man actually exists.
- This also backfires on legitimate cases of (usually) adults who were not diagnosed as autistic as children, but upon reading material produced by the autistic community and doing considerable, genuine research have good reason to believe that they may has Asperger's or another form of autism. These individuals often feel guilty or afraid asking members of the autistic community for advice for fear that they're appropriating someone else's struggle, while in reality it's just that diagnoses are improving every day and they fell through the cracks as kids. People "self-diagnosing" as an joke or claiming Asperger's in order to justify being cruel or disrespectful to others place actual autistic people in danger by creating such a stigma around self-diagnosis that they're prevented from finding a community of others like them.
- Those who consider Renaissance faires or SCA events Serious Business sometimes react this way to others who show up wearing a costume-shop tunic over jeans and sneakers. Such events often have to provide explicit declarations about whether or not "garb" needs to be period-appropriate to avert conflict between the two. Same for historical-reenactment buffs.
- Legitimate hippies against poser-hippies who just want to get high and get laid. Of course, considering this latter group is what the general public thinks of when they think of hippies, this may be a valid complaint.
- Similarly, stoners who co-opt the trappings of Rastafarianism as an excuse to smoke weed are seldom appreciated by actual Rastafari who take their religion very seriously, the same way a devout Catholic wouldn't take kindly to an alcoholic joining the Church for free wine.
- Some people from other countries (mainly, America) who have Irish ancestry proudly proclaim themselves as Irish, though there are people who look down on this, mainly people who are from Ireland, claiming that these "plastic Paddys" know very little about real Irish culture beyond leprechauns, pots o' gold, the color green, and only care about their "heritage" when St. Patrick's Day rolls around.
- This belief also extends to other cultures where natives or purists feel "If you're not 100% X and/or aren't from X, then you're not a true X."
- It could also extend to any who play up a national heritage during an appropriate holiday and go back to ignoring it for the rest of the year.
- Also when such non-natives only ever deign to celebrate the upper-class traditions of a culture they profess to be part of, while avoiding any mention of customs from its working-class majority.
- The whole issue got very heated during The Troubles, when people who had never been to Ireland (or Northern Ireland) vocally voiced their opinion on account of "being Irish".
- Similarly, Mexicans and non-assimilated Mexican-Americans take a dim view of gringo attempts to copy or co-opt their culture. When Taco Bell opened its first restaurant in Mexico in the early 2000s, they had to promote themselves as an American restaurant; if they had called themselves a purveyor of Mexican food, they would have faced widespread ridicule.
- After The Great Politics Mess-Up lots of people "suddenly saw the light!" or "always felt that way, honest!" all over ex-USSR. They tend to be seen as weasels by everyone else, but no-one despises them deeper than the real dissidents, especially a few exiled from USSRnote . These invented several new vitriolic terms like "almost shot ones".
- On the opposite side, Stalin's successor Nikita Khrushchev denounced Stalin and his "cult of personality" in a secret speech after he took power, on the basis of how it violated core Marxist principles. When someone in the crowd he was addressing demanded to know why he hadn't said this when Stalin was alive, Khrushchev angrily barked, "Who said that?!" — frightening the speaker into silence. "Now you know," Khrushchev then explained.
- Some American neoconservatives (who, significantly, are most often not Jewish, or at least not practicing Jews) praise the pious warrior ethos of the nation of Israel while describing the "wimpy", secular, and more often than not liberal Jews of North America and Europe as "false Jews", as people who have betrayed their heritage. Even leaving aside the fact that many of the first settlers in Israel when it was founded in 1948 were American or European Jews, there's something... off about a non-Jew trying to tell a Jew about what makes a "real Jew". And actually saying something like that to a non-Israeli Jew's face — especially if he or she is a descendant of Holocaust survivors — will not get one a very sympathetic reaction.
- This was the reaction of the National Football League to its upstart 1960s rival American Football League. The NFL and its partners in the media did everything they could to paint the AFL as second-rate and full of castoffs and wannabes.note "That Mickey Mouse league" was the most frequent nickname). The documentary Full Color Football shows many examples of this. While this didn't work with the AFL (they would eventually be lucrative enough to merge with the NFL), such tactics did work with other upstarts like the World Football League, the USFL, and the XFL.
- During a 2015 game between the Green Bay Packers and the San Francisco 49ers, the Green Bay quarterback heckled San Francisco's by saying he was "No Russell Wilson" (Wilson being Seattle's quarterback, and Seattle being a tough rival to both teams.)
- Eastern Roman Emperor Nicephorus Phocas had this reaction when visiting with an ambassador from the Holy Roman Empire. Annoyed that they claimed the title of "Roman," which he saw as rightfully and uniquely his, he made a speech at dinner one night with the ambassador insulting the Holy Roman military before exclaiming: "You are not Romans but Lombards!"
- Similar to Dan Quayle's experience, some supporters of Sarah Palin's selection for Vice President in 2008 attempted to deflect criticisms of her lack of experience by comparing her to another forty-something Republican governor and noted outdoors enthusiast, Theodore Roosevelt. That only fueled further criticism by those pointing out the similarities ended right there, and that Roosevelt was not only governor of New York, rather than Alaska, by the time he became Vice President, he had also been New York City Police Commissioner, Assistant Secretary of the Navy, and a Colonel in the United States Army, while Palin's previous experience had been as mayor of a small town.
- This happens quite often with cities that attract a lot of newcomers. In Berlin for example, you will have people complaining about "Swabians" not being "real Berliners" and those same Swabians in turn complaining about people that arrived more recently. One of the Vice Presidents of German's parliament (who only went to East-Berlin to study and was born in present day Wroclaw) complained about "Berlin not being Berlin anymore" with all those non-Berliners and based his argument on the word used for bread role (Semmel instead of Schrippe). Of course in a city which has attracted immigrants from near and far since its founding, such a thing as a "real Berliner" may simply not exist.