To-do list:
- Wedding Enhanced Fertility is being disambiguated between Surprise Pregnancy and Contrived Coincidence, so move any examples that fit and remove ones that don't.
Seems to just be Baby Happens at this time, with the time not being special being wedding-related.
Sandbox.Wick Enhanced Check:
Weddings Cure infertility 3/62 a.k.a ~9%
Conception on Honeymoon ~23/62, a.k.a 35+?%.
Wick check:
Wick check for Wedding Enhanced Fertility, to check tropeworthiness. 62 wicks as of this edit. Planning to do all of them:- Characters.Fushigi Yuugi: Honeymoon conception specifically.
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: When she marries Taka/Tamahome in "Eikoden," they conceive a baby on their honeymoon, making that baby extra special. It's the Living Macguffin needed to summon Suzaku again.
- Characters.Kevin And Kell Rudys Peers: Honeymoon conception specifically.
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Though Savanna's conception was unplanned according to Lindesfarne, there's no evidence that Leona and Carl were trying not to have a baby during their extended honeymoon.
- Characters.My Name Is Earl: Honeymoon conception specifically.
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Conceived Earl on her honeymoon with Carl. They never went on vacation again until after she reached menopause.
- Characters.Ophelia:
* Someone to Remember Him By: Implied. In the end, Ophelia is shown to have a young daughter, with the implication that she is her child with Hamlet, conceived on [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility their wedding night.]]
- Fanfic.I Will Never Be Him:
* Law of Inverse Fertility: Demons have difficulties to conceive, and Luo Binghe's hybrid makeup doesn't help at all, yet Shen Yuan manages to get knocked up from spending one night with him. Wedding Enhanced Fertility for the win!
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Shen Yuan tooks huge pains to stay the heck away from Luo Binghe following their wedding night. He still manages to conceive a child. - Fanfic.The New Retcons:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Elizabeth comes back from her honeymoon pregnant. It isn't Anthony's.
- Fanfic.The Secret:
Thorin at one point suggests that Leena's unborn child isn't his, due to the fact they only had sex once. She vehemently denies it. In fact, she managed to [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility conceive on their wedding night and actually remained faithful to him, so the child is his]].
- Fanfic.The True Love Loophole:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Justified with Snow Whites. They're artificially inseminated on their marriage night.
- Roleplay.The Dragon Has Three Heads:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Daenerys fell pregnant with Aegon's twin sons Jaehaerys and Daeron on the very first night of their wedding.
- PlayingWith.My Secret Pregnancy:
Doug and Carol have been struggling for well over a year to conceive, and Alice and Bob [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility conceived on their honeymoon without even trying]]. Alice doesn't want to upset Carol, or ruin their friendship, or make Carol even more upset than she already is.
- VideoGame.Gardens Inc: Implied?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: The bonus levels of Bridal Pursuit take place immediately after Jill and Mike's honeymoon, and at the end she reveals that she's pregnant.
- Webcomic.Sabrina Online:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: The final comic◊ showing Sabrina and Richard's on their wedding night, implies that they just conceived their daughter from the Flash Forward comics. A Christmas 2016 strip◊ confirms they indeed conceived a child.
- Webcomic.Twenty First Century Fox:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility:
** Cecil knocks up Barb and Beth on their honeymoon in orbit, though since giraffe gestation is 14 months long their calves aren't born until after Jack and Jenny's kits are decanted.
** Jenny starts getting wacky cravings on her and Jack's honeymoon, with the implication that they conceived on the trip back from Venus or right after returning to Earth for the wedding. - Film.My Big Fat Greek Wedding: I assume?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Toula says she got pregnant "a minute later". The movie ends with her taking their six year old daughter to Greek school.
- Literature.The Red Tent:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: As per tradition, the bride and groom spend a week secluded in a tent after their wedding. Leah and Rachel both immediately become pregnant after they are married to Jacob - Leah gives birth to Jacob's firstborn son later that year, but Rachel sadly miscarries.
- Shotgun Wedding: Implied honeymoon, at least, because math:
* Ambiguous example in Harry Potter: Tonks and Lupin have a Relationship Upgrade around June (apparently after drawn-out romantic tension off-screen), get married rather suddenly in July and have a son in April. That might be too early to even realize if Tonks was pregnant, but it was either this or Teddy [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility must have been conceived on their wedding night]]. Didn't matter too much in the end, both Tonks and Lupin died before Teddy was even one year old.
- Mystical Pregnancy:
* In the 3rd OVA to Fushigi Yuugi, Miaka and Tamahome [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility conceive a baby on their wedding night]].
- AdaptationInducedPlotHole.Game Of Thrones:
The Canon Foreigner child also doesn't even fit into the show's own timeline. Robert and Cersei's marriage is solidly dated to 17 years before Season 1 when Joffrey is 16.note Even a child [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility conceived on their wedding day]] could only match these criteria for a three-month period
- LawOfInverseFertility.LiveActionTV: Assuming its the same as in Characters.Charmed 1998 The Charmed Ones:
The sequel comic states that she finally got pregnant via Wedding Enhanced Fertility.
- Characters.Charmed 1998 The Charmed Ones:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: She finally gets pregnant with her oldest daughter on her honeymoon.
- Fanfic.Black Sky: Presumably that's the honeymoon?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Dorea had one night with her brand new husband and he managed to knock her up with twins!
- LawOfInverseFertility.Literature:
* Worldwar: Upsetting the Balance: Sam Yeager and his new bride, Barbara, have sex without protection exactly once; [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility on their wedding night]]. The once was all it took.
- Fanfic.Somos Familia: Discussed, instead of Averted, if this is an "expectation".
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Averted. Coco expects this to happen after her wedding, but it takes two years of trying before she and Julio are able to conceive a child.
- PlayingWith.We Are Not Going Through That Again:
* Exaggerated: Bob comes over to see if Alice is willing to give the relationship another chance, only to find that she's Happily Married to Charles and pregnant with his child.
- Fanfic.Alysanne Lady Of Winterfell:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Barely a couple of months into marriage, Alysanne finds out she's with child. Downplayed, since she more or less expected to conceive soon, given that both she and Alaric had several children in their previous marriages.
- Pregnant Badass:
* The final episode of The Mentalist ends with Lisbon and Jane's wedding, [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility immediately after which]] Lisbon reveals that she's pregnant. Which makes the fact that she helped take down a serial killer while wearing her wedding dress earlier the same day all the more awesome.** It's very very subtly hinted she's known about the pregnancy for a few episodes before letting on in the finale, so basically everything she does in the final half-dozen or so episodes of the show count towards this trope in hindsight, as well.
- Characters.Digimon Xros Wars AU 02: Unclear time after wedding.
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Implied to have gotten pregnant after she and Lucemon got married.
- Film.Yours Mine And Ours:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: While it doesn't seem to happen immediately after the wedding, Helen is surprised and initially dismayed to discover that she's pregnant. However, after moving past the shock, neither she nor Frank are anything but excited about the new addition:Helen: You see, he won't have to worry about whether he's a North or a Beardsley.
- Literature.What Alice Forgot:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Alice and Nick had their first child by accident soon after being married. Justified in that while they weren't actively trying, being married made them more inclined to be careless about birth control.
- Series.The Mentalist:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Lisbon informs Jane that she is pregnant with his child after they say their vows in the series finale. He's initially stunned speechless, but both of them are thrilled.
- Series.The Terror Infamy:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Luz reveals that she is once again pregnant at the end of episode 8 soon after she and Chester marry.
- VisualNovel.Clannad: Not honeymoon:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Nagisa gets pregnant a few months after marrying Tomoya. She even specifically asks for a baby.]]
- KevinAndKell.Tropes S To Z:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility:
** Applicable to George and Danielle Fennec, as well as Carl and Leona. The former may have actually been trying, considering Danielle's reaction when she found out she was pregnant. While Savanna's conception was unplanned, there's no evidence her parents were trying not to have a baby.
** Averted with Lindesfarne and Fenton, who took some time before a condom failure resulted in Turvy; and Mark and Aby, who fell upon parenthood by adopting Mark's orphaned nephew, Tyler. - Fanfic.The Smeet Series: Unclear time after wedding.
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Indokani takes place not long after Red and Lena got married, and Lena becomes pregnant after getting drunk with Red and having sex.
- Characters.The Smeet Series: Unclear time after wedding.
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Lena gets pregnant not long after she and Red married.
- Recap.A Thing Of Vikings Chapter 23 Changing The World:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: It is right after her and Magnus' wedding does it occur to Ruffnut that she's late.
- Recap.Junior Officers S 3 E 1 Woman Wife Worker:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: It's said that Kitsune became pregnant with Ichiro not long after the wedding.
- Recap.Outlander S 4 E 1 America The Beautiful:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Fergus and Marsali are expecting a child just four months after marrying. While unexpected, they're ecstatic.
- Literature.Earths Children:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Inverted for Ayla and Jondalar and Joplaya and Echozar, who both discover they're pregnant before getting hitched. Ayla is visibly pregnant during her Matrimonial. In their culture, this is seen as a blessing and pregnant brides are viewed as even more attractive.
- SelfDemonstrating.Magneto: No wedding:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Magda, a female Holocaust survivor, bore me a child not a few years after escaping the concentration camp.
- ComicBook.Bingo Love:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Hazel got pregnant with her first child shortly after James came home from Vietnam, and then got pregnant with each of her other children pretty much as soon as they began having sex again after she'd recovered from the previous delivery. She finally cuts him off after having their third child, and they never have sex again for the last 38 years of their marriage.
- Fanfic.Of Blond Hair And Blue Eyes: What?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Because Zoro and Sanji are competitive about everything they do, they have a surprise waiting for each other by the end of the first book. When Zoro proposed, Sanji revealed his second pregnancy. Justified because the pair already decided to get married and have a second child.
- Fanfic.Sansukh: Vague:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Bombur and AlrÃs. They have twelve children and "started early."
- Characters.Earths Children The Clan: What's "Mated"? Is that their marriage ceremony thing?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: She gets pregnant pretty much immediately after she is mated to Vorn. Sadly, her baby is stillborn.
- Characters.Marvel Comics Magneto:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Must be the case with Magda, who spent eight years in a Nazi detention camp, and at least some of that time in Auschwitz. Females there were sterilized with a painful infection clogging their ovaries, but in the panel after her wedding to Max in A Fire in the Night, she has given birth to a baby.
- Series.NYPD Blue:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Connie gets pregnant shortly after she and Andy get married, when they're already taking care of an infant (her murdered sister's daughter that they adopted). Even more of a shock because, as noted under But I Can't Be Pregnant!, Connie believed that complications from her teen pregnancy (she gave the baby up for adoption) meant she literally couldn't have any more kids of her own, with the implication that because of this, she and Andy weren't bothering to use contraception.
- But We Used a Condom!:
* In Doc Rat, Daniella got pregnant shortly after she and Ben got married. [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility Even though she was on the Pill]].
- Characters.Queens Of Mewni Queens: Wedding magically undoes infertility or something? Not sure what this is meaning. "Despite"?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Despite all her sexual activity and her unwitting consumption of anticonceptives, it was only after having sex with her beloved husband that she got pregnant.
- Manga.Ana Satsujin: Not sure if it's the honeymoon:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Kurosu and Miyaichi unknowingly conceive their son just after they marry.
- Radar.Sailor Moon:
* It is worth noting that the two don't go all the way in this scene, but clearly wanted to (After being deaged at the beginning of the SuperS manga Usagi laments that she was finally grown up enough "to go for it"). In the manga, a scene at the very last chapter states that Mamoru and Usagi finally had sex some time later, with them waking up nude in the same bed and having Pillow Talk... which was followed by their wedding day where it's all but stated that Usagi is either pregnant with Chibi-Usa or will be very soon.
- Anime.Darling In The Franxx: What day was the conception then? If they only had sex once, pre-wedding then it's not honeymoon?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Kokoro ends up pregnant with Mitsuru's child right around their wedding day and after they had sex once before the day. It would be a happy thing if it wasn't for the fact [[spoiler: they got their memories erased.
- Acceptable Feminine Goals and Traits: Indexed with description different from Laconic:
If she gets married, she should get pregnant right away; if she doesn't want to, or can't, something is wrong with her.
- Babies, Babies Everywhere: Indexed with description different from Laconic:
A woman has an unintentional but welcome pregnancy just before or just after her wedding.
- Sandbox.Mightymewtron: As said: a wedding coinciding with a conception, as it suggests the writer wants to rush this couple into the "happy family" dynamic as soon as possible:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility:** Lars and Leela conceived their son the night that Lars proposed to Leela. They already begin talking about having kids the next day, but their wedding never went through and Lars never lived to see his son.** Leela tells Fry she's pregnant again the same day he proposes to her. The same instance that caused Fry to realize he wanted to marry her in canon (her nearly dying at Luna Park) also drove them to impulsive Glad-to-Be-Alive Sex, which is apparently when they conceived. This comes after a Pregnancy Scare a couple of months earlier, in which they decide that they're okay with having a second child if it happens again.
- Characters.Drag Race Thailand Season 1: Troping real life?
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: For the "Power of Love" runway, she walks the runway in the same wedding dress she wore for the photoshoot, updated with a visible, albeit small, baby bump.
- Series.Yo Soy Betty La Fea:
* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: At the end of the series, because of our main protagonists.
Expected Wicks:
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 25th 2023 at 5:17:03 AM
Opening.
I don't think the intent (as claimed in the OP) is "getting knocked up at your wedding just 'cause", but that "conceiving at your wedding is the narratively fastest way to get someone a baby without the stigma of single motherhood/getting knocked up by someone you're not married/engaged to. it's also romantic and also a little bit unrealistic since plenty of couples don't conceive right away".
Sounds like a trope to me, so maybe we can adjust the description and call it a day.
Also unsure if Wick Enhanced Check having a lot of "unsorted" examples is fine.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupLooking it over again, a better term than "unsorted" might be "Wedding and Conception are coincidentally timed" and / or "No connection / context made between wedding and conception"
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576What exactly is being proposed here? I don't know what I'm supposed to be voting on here because the OP is too barebones for me to tell what this thread's purpose is.
As for the definition Synchronicity gave, I think that definition sounds fine. If that isn't already the definition, I think we can rewrite and close because if I read correctly, most examples already fit that definition.
Edit: OK, so a decent amount of wicks in the wick check are unsorted. Is the wick check even complete?
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 6:59:19 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Clocking the thread because the wick check is hard to read with the huge "Unsorted" section (which raises the question of whether the wick check was completed before this thread was made, and if it was, what that section's purpose is) and this thread's purpose isn't clear.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 7:03:38 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Yeah the OP should've included more discussion, tbh. That said, the Unsorted section shows a lot of weasling around the timing. To me, there's a difference between:
- alice and bob get married in episode 4 and alice finds out she's pregnant in episode 5
- in a montage, alice and bob date for a few years, get married, and have a kid
- alice and bob are dating for a long time and have a kid only after they marry
The latter two are what the "unsorted" section is filled of and it's pretty chairsy. A person getting pregnant some ambiguous time after marriage is a very weak case to say the pregnancy "was caused by" the marriage. "Waiting to have kids until marriage" may be a trope, but that's different from many of the examples in the wick check and what I think the trope is going for, as that requires intentionality and planning, something that most of the examples in that section don't discuss.
This trope seems to be more about people getting married and almost immediately getting pregnant afterwards. Things like:
- people getting married and finding out they're pregnant on their honeymoon a month later, with either it being explicit stated or strongly implied they conceived on the wedding night
- someone dealing with infertility suddenly finding out they are pregnant soon after their wedding without doing anything
- a couple attending someone else's wedding only to find out they're pregnant that night
Edited by amathieu13 on May 20th 2023 at 8:09:26 AM
I'll abstain from making any suggestions until the wick check is sorted completely.
This means adding more sections to accomodate anything else.
Edited by Berrenta on May 20th 2023 at 7:09:23 AM
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportIf the Unsorted section covers multiple categories, then that gives me the impression that the wick check wasn't completed, which is making me lean toward closing the thread now instead of waiting for the clock to run out (because I'm not sure that this thread should have been opened to begin with).
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 7:14:48 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Malady says you can think of the "Unsorted" section more as "No connection / context made between wedding and conception" and looking through it, that does seem to be the general gist.
That said, I do think that section can be better categorized, because to me, this:
- Anime.Darling In The Franxx: Kokoro ends up pregnant with Mitsuru's child right around their wedding day and after they had sex once before the day.
- Fanfic.Sansukh: Bombur and AlrÃs. They have twelve children and "started early."
Similar to Synch, I get the sense that Malady didn't have the strongest understanding of what the trope is/is supposed to be when doing the wick check, tbh.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 20th 2023 at 8:37:17 AM
I'm just going to close the thread, between the OP being unclear and the wick check being unfinished (or at least unclear; a wick check's findings should be clearly explained from the beginning instead of requiring guesswork to interpret).
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 8:02:19 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Brought back the thread since the wick check was completed and it was clarified that a cut is being proposed, but left the clock on for now because I still don't think the case is very strong.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Okay, the wick check looks much better. I can tell that the trope's scope is unclear.
If we are keeping the trope, the description needs to be tighter.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportConsidering the double-digit wick count and quarter of the examples in the wick check (which went over every wick) making no direct connection between the marriage/proposal and the conception, even though I think that's required (and I think it's Chairs either way, since the timing is purely coincidental in those cases, rather than there being any significance to the timing), I'm starting to wonder if this should be cut, with any tropeworthy concepts being Yarded due to the small wick count.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 10:52:28 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I'm good with cutting and yarding any tropable ideas
ETA: if we were to keep, I'm not sure how the description could be tighter. Currently it has this definition and scope:
- has to be unintentional/accidental
- has to be very closely connected to the act of getting married
maybe it could be specified that second point to mean "near the time of engagement/proposal, the wedding itself, or in the immediate aftermath i.e. honeymoon". outside of that though...
Edited by amathieu13 on May 20th 2023 at 1:00:28 PM
It being "unintentional/accidental" also may be redundant with Surprise Pregnancy.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupYeah, this concept works. I'm thinking of A Song of Ice and Fire, where from what we hear in the backstory Ned did his Arranged Marriage to a woman he didn't know all that well, went off to war like imemdiately afterwards, and came back less than a year later to her and his new son. The setting has a stigma against pre-marital sex for women and children born out of wedlock that Cat adheres to. In real life, while conceiving on your wedding night is perfectly plausible, in this case it was a neat little miracle to give him an heir as soon as it was prudent.
So, for possible options/votes so far:
- Cut/yard — GastonRabbit, amathieu13, Amonimus + MaLady (the OP)
- Tighten/rework description — Berrenta, Synchronicity
No preference myself currently.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on May 20th 2023 at 2:14:22 PM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallCut for now, tighten the description in the yard. Not sure about narrative significance as it stands.
Edited by Yindee on May 20th 2023 at 2:34:11 PM
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker MailYeah, I don't think this is tropeworthy as written. I vote cut.
I shut off the clock since it seems everything was sorted out.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I vote cut.
It's not tropeworthy as written, and I'm not sure if "a character conceives immediately after marriage" is a trope even if it's lampshaded.
Going to vote cut per what’s been said already.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI'm fully in favor of a cut now, and regarding the overlap with Surprise Pregnancy due to the unexpectedness, I'm leaning toward it being redundant between the small amount of wicks and the even smaller amount of correct wicks. It seems to be "Surprise Pregnancy, but right after a wedding". In addition, I feel that removing the unexpected aspect would make it less tropeworthy.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 12:01:26 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Yeah, abort the trope.
Crown Description:
There are concerns that Wedding Enhanced Fertility isn't tropeworthy, and possibly The Same But More Specific to Surprise Pregnancy ("Surprise Pregnancy, but after a wedding") due to unexpectedness being a requirement, plus it's frequently misused. What should be done with Wedding Enhanced Fertility?
To-do list:
Seems to just be Baby Happens at this time, with the time not being special being wedding-related.
Sandbox.Wick Enhanced Check:
Weddings Cure infertility 3/62 a.k.a ~9%
Conception on Honeymoon ~23/62, a.k.a 35+?%.
Wick check:
Wick check for Wedding Enhanced Fertility, to check tropeworthiness. 62 wicks as of this edit. Planning to do all of them:* Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Shen Yuan tooks huge pains to stay the heck away from Luo Binghe following their wedding night. He still manages to conceive a child.
** Cecil knocks up Barb and Beth on their honeymoon in orbit, though since giraffe gestation is 14 months long their calves aren't born until after Jack and Jenny's kits are decanted.
** Jenny starts getting wacky cravings on her and Jack's honeymoon, with the implication that they conceived on the trip back from Venus or right after returning to Earth for the wedding.
** Applicable to George and Danielle Fennec, as well as Carl and Leona. The former may have actually been trying, considering Danielle's reaction when she found out she was pregnant. While Savanna's conception was unplanned, there's no evidence her parents were trying not to have a baby.
** Averted with Lindesfarne and Fenton, who took some time before a condom failure resulted in Turvy; and Mark and Aby, who fell upon parenthood by adopting Mark's orphaned nephew, Tyler.
Expected Wicks:
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 25th 2023 at 5:17:03 AM
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