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Seems to just be Baby Happens at this time, with the time not being special being wedding-related.
Sandbox.Wick Enhanced Check:
Weddings Cure infertility 3/62 a.k.a ~9%
Conception on Honeymoon ~23/62, a.k.a 35+?%.

Wick check:

Wick check for Wedding Enhanced Fertility, to check tropeworthiness. 62 wicks as of this edit. Planning to do all of them:

    Honeymoon Conception (23? a.k.a ~37%) 

    No clear connection made between wedding and conception (16, a.k.a ~25%) 

    No wedding mentioned (5) 

    Wedding magically undoes infertility? (4) 
  • Characters.Marvel Comics Magneto:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Must be the case with Magda, who spent eight years in a Nazi detention camp, and at least some of that time in Auschwitz. Females there were sterilized with a painful infection clogging their ovaries, but in the panel after her wedding to Max in A Fire in the Night, she has given birth to a baby.
  • Series.NYPD Blue:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Connie gets pregnant shortly after she and Andy get married, when they're already taking care of an infant (her murdered sister's daughter that they adopted). Even more of a shock because, as noted under But I Can't Be Pregnant!, Connie believed that complications from her teen pregnancy (she gave the baby up for adoption) meant she literally couldn't have any more kids of her own, with the implication that because of this, she and Andy weren't bothering to use contraception.
  • But We Used a Condom!:
    * In Doc Rat, Daniella got pregnant shortly after she and Ben got married. [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility Even though she was on the Pill]].
  • Characters.Queens Of Mewni Queens: Wedding magically undoes infertility or something? Not sure what this is meaning. "Despite"?
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Despite all her sexual activity and her unwitting consumption of anticonceptives, it was only after having sex with her beloved husband that she got pregnant.

    Possibly the honeymoon conception (3) 
  • Manga.Ana Satsujin: Not sure if it's the honeymoon:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Kurosu and Miyaichi unknowingly conceive their son just after they marry.
  • Radar.Sailor Moon:
    * It is worth noting that the two don't go all the way in this scene, but clearly wanted to (After being deaged at the beginning of the SuperS manga Usagi laments that she was finally grown up enough "to go for it"). In the manga, a scene at the very last chapter states that Mamoru and Usagi finally had sex some time later, with them waking up nude in the same bed and having Pillow Talk... which was followed by their wedding day where it's all but stated that Usagi is either pregnant with Chibi-Usa or will be very soon.
  • Anime.Darling In The Franxx: What day was the conception then? If they only had sex once, pre-wedding then it's not honeymoon?
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Kokoro ends up pregnant with Mitsuru's child right around their wedding day and after they had sex once before the day. It would be a happy thing if it wasn't for the fact [[spoiler: they got their memories erased.

    Indexing Description and Laconic mismatch (2) 
  • Acceptable Feminine Goals and Traits: Indexed with description different from Laconic:
    If she gets married, she should get pregnant right away; if she doesn't want to, or can't, something is wrong with her.
  • Babies, Babies Everywhere: Indexed with description different from Laconic:
    A woman has an unintentional but welcome pregnancy just before or just after her wedding.

    Proposal and conception connection ( 1 wick, 2 examples) 
  • Sandbox.Mightymewtron: As said: a wedding coinciding with a conception, as it suggests the writer wants to rush this couple into the "happy family" dynamic as soon as possible:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility:
    ** Lars and Leela conceived their son the night that Lars proposed to Leela. They already begin talking about having kids the next day, but their wedding never went through and Lars never lived to see his son.
    ** Leela tells Fry she's pregnant again the same day he proposes to her. The same instance that caused Fry to realize he wanted to marry her in canon (her nearly dying at Luna Park) also drove them to impulsive Glad-to-Be-Alive Sex, which is apparently when they conceived. This comes after a Pregnancy Scare a couple of months earlier, in which they decide that they're okay with having a second child if it happens again.

    Troping real life? (1) 

    No context (1) 

Expected Wicks:

    Indexing & other obvious (5) 

    Mentions as Subtropes / Related (1) 


Edited by GastonRabbit on May 25th 2023 at 5:17:03 AM

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#1: May 19th 2023 at 8:44:13 AM

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    Original post 
NOTE: The following OP was written by MaLady. Please give credit to them.


Seems to just be Baby Happens at this time, with the time not being special being wedding-related.
Sandbox.Wick Enhanced Check:
Weddings Cure infertility 3/62 a.k.a ~9%
Conception on Honeymoon ~23/62, a.k.a 35+?%.

Wick check:

Wick check for Wedding Enhanced Fertility, to check tropeworthiness. 62 wicks as of this edit. Planning to do all of them:

    Honeymoon Conception (23? a.k.a ~37%) 

    No clear connection made between wedding and conception (16, a.k.a ~25%) 

    No wedding mentioned (5) 

    Wedding magically undoes infertility? (4) 
  • Characters.Marvel Comics Magneto:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Must be the case with Magda, who spent eight years in a Nazi detention camp, and at least some of that time in Auschwitz. Females there were sterilized with a painful infection clogging their ovaries, but in the panel after her wedding to Max in A Fire in the Night, she has given birth to a baby.
  • Series.NYPD Blue:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Connie gets pregnant shortly after she and Andy get married, when they're already taking care of an infant (her murdered sister's daughter that they adopted). Even more of a shock because, as noted under But I Can't Be Pregnant!, Connie believed that complications from her teen pregnancy (she gave the baby up for adoption) meant she literally couldn't have any more kids of her own, with the implication that because of this, she and Andy weren't bothering to use contraception.
  • But We Used a Condom!:
    * In Doc Rat, Daniella got pregnant shortly after she and Ben got married. [[Wedding Enhanced Fertility Even though she was on the Pill]].
  • Characters.Queens Of Mewni Queens: Wedding magically undoes infertility or something? Not sure what this is meaning. "Despite"?
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Despite all her sexual activity and her unwitting consumption of anticonceptives, it was only after having sex with her beloved husband that she got pregnant.

    Possibly the honeymoon conception (3) 
  • Manga.Ana Satsujin: Not sure if it's the honeymoon:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Kurosu and Miyaichi unknowingly conceive their son just after they marry.
  • Radar.Sailor Moon:
    * It is worth noting that the two don't go all the way in this scene, but clearly wanted to (After being deaged at the beginning of the SuperS manga Usagi laments that she was finally grown up enough "to go for it"). In the manga, a scene at the very last chapter states that Mamoru and Usagi finally had sex some time later, with them waking up nude in the same bed and having Pillow Talk... which was followed by their wedding day where it's all but stated that Usagi is either pregnant with Chibi-Usa or will be very soon.
  • Anime.Darling In The Franxx: What day was the conception then? If they only had sex once, pre-wedding then it's not honeymoon?
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility: Kokoro ends up pregnant with Mitsuru's child right around their wedding day and after they had sex once before the day. It would be a happy thing if it wasn't for the fact [[spoiler: they got their memories erased.

    Indexing Description and Laconic mismatch (2) 
  • Acceptable Feminine Goals and Traits: Indexed with description different from Laconic:
    If she gets married, she should get pregnant right away; if she doesn't want to, or can't, something is wrong with her.
  • Babies, Babies Everywhere: Indexed with description different from Laconic:
    A woman has an unintentional but welcome pregnancy just before or just after her wedding.

    Proposal and conception connection ( 1 wick, 2 examples) 
  • Sandbox.Mightymewtron: As said: a wedding coinciding with a conception, as it suggests the writer wants to rush this couple into the "happy family" dynamic as soon as possible:
    * Wedding Enhanced Fertility:
    ** Lars and Leela conceived their son the night that Lars proposed to Leela. They already begin talking about having kids the next day, but their wedding never went through and Lars never lived to see his son.
    ** Leela tells Fry she's pregnant again the same day he proposes to her. The same instance that caused Fry to realize he wanted to marry her in canon (her nearly dying at Luna Park) also drove them to impulsive Glad-to-Be-Alive Sex, which is apparently when they conceived. This comes after a Pregnancy Scare a couple of months earlier, in which they decide that they're okay with having a second child if it happens again.

    Troping real life? (1) 

    No context (1) 

Expected Wicks:

    Indexing & other obvious (5) 

    Mentions as Subtropes / Related (1) 


Edited by GastonRabbit on May 25th 2023 at 5:17:03 AM

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#2: May 19th 2023 at 9:26:18 AM

Opening.

I don't think the intent (as claimed in the OP) is "getting knocked up at your wedding just 'cause", but that "conceiving at your wedding is the narratively fastest way to get someone a baby without the stigma of single motherhood/getting knocked up by someone you're not married/engaged to. it's also romantic and also a little bit unrealistic since plenty of couples don't conceive right away".

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#3: May 19th 2023 at 10:01:35 AM

Sounds like a trope to me, so maybe we can adjust the description and call it a day.

Also unsure if Wick Enhanced Check having a lot of "unsorted" examples is fine.

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#4: May 19th 2023 at 10:04:24 AM

Looking it over again, a better term than "unsorted" might be "Wedding and Conception are coincidentally timed" and / or "No connection / context made between wedding and conception"

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#5: May 20th 2023 at 4:36:11 AM

What exactly is being proposed here? I don't know what I'm supposed to be voting on here because the OP is too barebones for me to tell what this thread's purpose is.

As for the definition Synchronicity gave, I think that definition sounds fine. If that isn't already the definition, I think we can rewrite and close because if I read correctly, most examples already fit that definition.

Edit: OK, so a decent amount of wicks in the wick check are unsorted. Is the wick check even complete?

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 6:59:19 AM

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#6: May 20th 2023 at 5:00:46 AM

Clocking the thread because the wick check is hard to read with the huge "Unsorted" section (which raises the question of whether the wick check was completed before this thread was made, and if it was, what that section's purpose is) and this thread's purpose isn't clear.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 7:03:38 AM

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#7: May 20th 2023 at 5:06:58 AM

[up][up]Yeah the OP should've included more discussion, tbh. That said, the Unsorted section shows a lot of weasling around the timing. To me, there's a difference between:

  • alice and bob get married in episode 4 and alice finds out she's pregnant in episode 5
  • in a montage, alice and bob date for a few years, get married, and have a kid
  • alice and bob are dating for a long time and have a kid only after they marry

The latter two are what the "unsorted" section is filled of and it's pretty chairsy. A person getting pregnant some ambiguous time after marriage is a very weak case to say the pregnancy "was caused by" the marriage. "Waiting to have kids until marriage" may be a trope, but that's different from many of the examples in the wick check and what I think the trope is going for, as that requires intentionality and planning, something that most of the examples in that section don't discuss.

This trope seems to be more about people getting married and almost immediately getting pregnant afterwards. Things like:

  • people getting married and finding out they're pregnant on their honeymoon a month later, with either it being explicit stated or strongly implied they conceived on the wedding night
  • someone dealing with infertility suddenly finding out they are pregnant soon after their wedding without doing anything
  • a couple attending someone else's wedding only to find out they're pregnant that night

Edited by amathieu13 on May 20th 2023 at 8:09:26 AM

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#8: May 20th 2023 at 5:08:28 AM

I'll abstain from making any suggestions until the wick check is sorted completely.

This means adding more sections to accomodate anything else.

Edited by Berrenta on May 20th 2023 at 7:09:23 AM

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#9: May 20th 2023 at 5:11:01 AM

[up][up]If the Unsorted section covers multiple categories, then that gives me the impression that the wick check wasn't completed, which is making me lean toward closing the thread now instead of waiting for the clock to run out (because I'm not sure that this thread should have been opened to begin with).

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 7:14:48 AM

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#10: May 20th 2023 at 5:25:27 AM

[up]Malady says you can think of the "Unsorted" section more as "No connection / context made between wedding and conception" and looking through it, that does seem to be the general gist.

That said, I do think that section can be better categorized, because to me, this:

  • Anime.Darling In The Franxx: Kokoro ends up pregnant with Mitsuru's child right around their wedding day and after they had sex once before the day.
...would fall into what I'd consider correct for this trope. But this:
  • Fanfic.Sansukh: Bombur and Alrís. They have twelve children and "started early."
...falls into that chairsy category I was thinking about. And both are in the Unsorted section.

Similar to Synch, I get the sense that Malady didn't have the strongest understanding of what the trope is/is supposed to be when doing the wick check, tbh.

Edited by amathieu13 on May 20th 2023 at 8:37:17 AM

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#11: May 20th 2023 at 5:50:46 AM

I'm just going to close the thread, between the OP being unclear and the wick check being unfinished (or at least unclear; a wick check's findings should be clearly explained from the beginning instead of requiring guesswork to interpret).

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 8:02:19 AM

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#12: May 20th 2023 at 8:11:07 AM

Brought back the thread since the wick check was completed and it was clarified that a cut is being proposed, but left the clock on for now because I still don't think the case is very strong.

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#13: May 20th 2023 at 8:14:12 AM

Okay, the wick check looks much better. I can tell that the trope's scope is unclear.

If we are keeping the trope, the description needs to be tighter.

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#14: May 20th 2023 at 8:49:16 AM

Considering the double-digit wick count and quarter of the examples in the wick check (which went over every wick) making no direct connection between the marriage/proposal and the conception, even though I think that's required (and I think it's Chairs either way, since the timing is purely coincidental in those cases, rather than there being any significance to the timing), I'm starting to wonder if this should be cut, with any tropeworthy concepts being Yarded due to the small wick count.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 10:52:28 AM

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#15: May 20th 2023 at 9:51:41 AM

I'm good with cutting and yarding any tropable ideas

ETA: if we were to keep, I'm not sure how the description could be tighter. Currently it has this definition and scope:

when a female character has an unintentional but not unwelcome pregnancy the moment that marriage gets involved. It might happen immediately after the wedding, or it might happen while she's unmarried but her boyfriend proposes just before she tells him (if she tells him and he proposes because of it, it's a different trope). Both the parents-to-be are happy with the situation and the whole thing is treated as a pleasant surprise.

  • has to be unintentional/accidental
  • has to be very closely connected to the act of getting married

maybe it could be specified that second point to mean "near the time of engagement/proposal, the wedding itself, or in the immediate aftermath i.e. honeymoon". outside of that though...

Edited by amathieu13 on May 20th 2023 at 1:00:28 PM

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#16: May 20th 2023 at 10:41:58 AM

The confusing part about the trope is that there seems to be no narrative need for it. It is perfectly common for a couple to have children immediately after marrying...
This to me just kills it as a trope.

It being "unintentional/accidental" also may be redundant with Surprise Pregnancy.

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#17: May 20th 2023 at 10:55:45 AM

maybe it could be specified that second point to mean "near the time of engagement/proposal, the wedding itself, or in the immediate aftermath i.e. honeymoon"

Yeah, this concept works. I'm thinking of A Song of Ice and Fire, where from what we hear in the backstory Ned did his Arranged Marriage to a woman he didn't know all that well, went off to war like imemdiately afterwards, and came back less than a year later to her and his new son. The setting has a stigma against pre-marital sex for women and children born out of wedlock that Cat adheres to. In real life, while conceiving on your wedding night is perfectly plausible, in this case it was a neat little miracle to give him an heir as soon as it was prudent.

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#18: May 20th 2023 at 11:14:04 AM

So, for possible options/votes so far:

No preference myself currently.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on May 20th 2023 at 2:14:22 PM

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#19: May 20th 2023 at 11:32:26 AM

Cut for now, tighten the description in the yard. Not sure about narrative significance as it stands.

Edited by Yindee on May 20th 2023 at 2:34:11 PM

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#20: May 20th 2023 at 11:47:37 AM

Yeah, I don't think this is tropeworthy as written. I vote cut.

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#21: May 20th 2023 at 3:35:13 PM

I shut off the clock since it seems everything was sorted out.

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#22: May 20th 2023 at 7:01:03 PM

I vote cut.

It's not tropeworthy as written, and I'm not sure if "a character conceives immediately after marriage" is a trope even if it's lampshaded.

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#24: May 20th 2023 at 9:55:15 PM

I'm fully in favor of a cut now, and regarding the overlap with Surprise Pregnancy due to the unexpectedness, I'm leaning toward it being redundant between the small amount of wicks and the even smaller amount of correct wicks. It seems to be "Surprise Pregnancy, but right after a wedding". In addition, I feel that removing the unexpected aspect would make it less tropeworthy.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 12:01:26 PM

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#25: May 21st 2023 at 8:09:35 AM

Yeah, abort the trope.

Trope Repair Shop: Wedding-Enhanced Fertility
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There are concerns that Wedding Enhanced Fertility isn't tropeworthy, and possibly The Same But More Specific to Surprise Pregnancy ("Surprise Pregnancy, but after a wedding") due to unexpectedness being a requirement, plus it's frequently misused. What should be done with Wedding Enhanced Fertility?

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