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As quoted from Tropes Needing TRS:

  • Alluring Anglerfish: Supposed to be about anglerfish representation in media as Fiendish Fish who use their glowing lures to hunt their prey, but many pages apply it to anything that possesses a lure to lure its prey into false sense of security, no matter whenever they even remotely resemble anglerfishes or are even fish in question, and no matter whether the lure in question is a glowing anglerfish lure. (Wick check here.)

The wick check found that out of 50 examples:

  • Only 16% were correct.
  • 34% were misuse.
  • 40% were ZCEs.
  • And 10% were unclear.

There were several types of misuse:

  • Characters who used lures, but who weren't anglerfish. Some weren't even fish.
  • Characters who had lights that resembled anglerfish lures but weren't anglerfish and didn't use their lights as lures.
  • Anglerfish exist, but there's no mention of them being scary or using their lures.

So, what should be done? Should we rename it? Should we split off some of the misuse to other tropes (obviously "anglerfish exist" is PSOC but what about the other ones?). Discuss here.

Wick check:

This is a page for the Wick Check related to the trope Alluring Anglerfish.

Reasons for the check: Alluring Anglerfish is meant to be about anglerfish as Fiendish Fish, using their lures to hunt their prey. However, it's misused as any character who uses a lure, regardless of whether it resembles an anglerfish lure or if they are fish.

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    Correct 8/ 50 

    Misuse 16/ 50 
  • Characters.Pathfinder Dragons: A sea linnorm has a distinctive facial lure which it uses to lure sea animals to their doom; in game terms, it can cause any other creature to stand stupefied when the sea linnorm flashes it. Not an anglerfish.
  • Fanfic.Playthings Series: Most ghosts do this at some point. ZCE, though clearly not an anglerfish.
  • TabletopGame.Nibiru: Shocktails usually roam the power lines of Antumbra, squeezing their bodies into the clumps of cables and letting their cable-like worm of Erra symbiont hang loose. Creatures that touch the cable or try to feed from it are suddenly squeezed by the worm, and the shocktail quickly curls to sink its razor sharp teeth in the victim's neck. Not a fish.
  • MaleGaze.Video Games: In-Universe example comes from Handsome Lech Dante when he meets the Rusalka and becomes very excited, getting a close eyeful of their bosoms and buttocks. However you'll notice Dante subtly doesn’t let the Rusalka actually touch him as he gets close to their bodies and dodges their playful grabs as he’s ogling them because Dante knows they’re actually the lures of a giant frog demon, but that doesn’t seem to dissuade him from having a good perv. Not a fish.
  • Characters.Dont Starve: If you store a Light Bulb inside of him, Hutch will have an anglerfish-like, glowing antenna that can be used as a light source. Not an anglerfish, and not using his light as a lure.
  • Downplayed with Edie in Shipwreck Showdown. Though she can illuminate the Blackout Basement levels, she doesn't attrack any other fish with her light. Not using her lure to attack.
  • The male anglerfish is tiny, and attaches itself to the female anglerfish so that it can suck her blood and reproduce with her. (Unsurprisingly, the anglerfish was the winner.) Two anglerfish, but they're mating, not luring prey.
  • Webcomic.Castle Swimmer: The creatures that dwell within the trench are blind monsters that look like four-armed mermaids that are twisted upside-down and use a light at the end of a staff to make illusions to lure merfolk out into the open. Not an anglerfish.
  • Characters.Slightly Damned: Abyset has a glowing lure on his forehead but since demons don't hunt food and can see in complete darkness, it's likely cosmetic in nature. Neither alluring nor an anglerfish.
  • SCP-5250 is written in the style of a recipe with a second person POV (with SCP-5250 as the "dish"), to protect the reader from the actual SCP-5250 (a lake that eats an individual's sense of self, using a "deer" as bait. Not a fish.
  • Film.Outlander The Moorwen lures in its prey with multiple glowing spots and stripes on its skin and tail. Probably not an anglerfish.
  • VideoGame.Devil May Cry 4: Bael and Dagon, two bosses fought by Nero in Mission 4 and Dante in Mission 15, respectively. They are large, toad-like demons each with two anglerfish like glowing feelers called Rusalka that they can use to lure prey or to attack defend themselves. Not anglerfish.
  • VideoGame.Octogeddon: The Anglerfish tentacle continuously emits a powerful light beam which can uncloak hidden enemies. Not luring prey.
  • Roleplay.Halcyon Days: An Adjuchas named Velivolus had an alluringly small looking demonic lure. When attacked, the three-pronged jaws lifted from the sand and snapped shut as an immense flying sandworm over one hundred meters long flew into the sky. Not an anglerfish.
  • Recap.Triptych Continuum In Convenience: One of the dangerous plants mentioned in the story is the root angler, which keeps all it's body except a food shaped tentacle below the ground, waiting for somepony hungry to wander along. Not a fish.
  • Blinded by the Light: In Shinkaigyo no Anko-san, the main character Anko is an Alluring Angler Fish whose lure can light up. She regularly cranks it up a few notches to blind annoying or threatening people, like her friend Wakasa in one of her grabby moods. Not luring prey.

     ZCE / Pothole 21/ 50 

    Unclear/other 5/ 50 

Analysis:

  • Correct: 16%
  • Misuse: 34%
  • ZCE: 40%
  • Unclear: 10%

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 10th 2023 at 12:31:06 PM

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#26: Mar 25th 2023 at 5:27:48 PM

I've got a first draft of a potential version of the supertrope put together in my sandbox, at the top of the page. I've gone with a very broad concept to begin with to be on the safe side, since worst come to worst I can always just whittle away some of the excess. If we're in agreement over the scope of the thing, I can bring it right to the TLP.

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#29: Mar 27th 2023 at 7:12:51 AM

Well, as I said, I was waiting for a draft before closing this, so closing.

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#30: Apr 27th 2023 at 6:44:02 PM

Brought this back per discussion in the meta thread.

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#31: Apr 27th 2023 at 7:01:39 PM

Since Therio's draft about creatures who have a specific lure-like feature/ability is about to launch, is there anything worth salvaging from this trope or can it safely be cut/redirected/disambig'd given the high amount of misuse/ZC Es?

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 27th 2023 at 10:02:13 AM

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#32: Apr 27th 2023 at 7:08:14 PM

I was actually wondering if anyone had any proposals for what to do with this. Merging/redirect would be an option, but that would require the draft to be launched first.

If someone could make a list of possible crowner options, I can hook a crowner since the fact that this thread was made last month means we're past the three-day mark.

Edit: I'll go ahead and hook one per what you said about the draft covering everything.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 27th 2023 at 9:09:53 AM

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#33: Apr 27th 2023 at 7:12:44 PM

OK, hooked a crowner for whether to merge with that draft and disambiguate between that trope and Fiendish Fish.

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#34: Apr 27th 2023 at 7:12:53 PM

Gien the high amount of ZCEs, I'd be against a merge/redirect because of the userbase's tendancy to not read trope descriptions or see that a trope definition has changed.

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#35: Apr 27th 2023 at 7:14:26 PM

like other misused as "X animal exists" tropes, could we add a "cut" option?

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 27th 2023 at 10:15:00 AM

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#37: Apr 27th 2023 at 7:21:36 PM

Added a cut option.

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#38: Apr 29th 2023 at 12:14:03 AM

The crowner's been kind of unstable, so I'm going to delay calling it by at least two days, so it won't be called any sooner than May 2.

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#39: Apr 29th 2023 at 6:19:42 PM

But would a trope about anglerfish being portrayed as terrifying theoretically work? There could still be a page about that.

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#40: Apr 29th 2023 at 7:39:14 PM

[up]Potentially. I don't personally see why that would need to be separated from Fiendish Fish, but if there's enough solid examples it could work. That said, naming it "alluring anglerfish" would be highly misleading since there's nothing about alluring that indicates terrifying, so it would need to be under a different name.

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 29th 2023 at 10:39:24 AM

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#41: Apr 30th 2023 at 3:06:11 AM

[up][up]Whether we have a page for it is irrelevant to this thread. That would be something for TLP to sort out.

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#42: May 1st 2023 at 10:59:08 PM

Calling in favor of the following:

Merge with this TLP draft for beings that lure in prey, and disambiguate between that trope (after it launches), Fiendish Fish, and possibly other tropes

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#44: May 2nd 2023 at 8:36:04 PM

So all that's left is to dewick Alluring Anglerfish, moving any relevant examples over to Luring in Prey (if they aren't already on there) and disambig-ing the page?

Edited by amathieu13 on May 2nd 2023 at 11:36:13 AM

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#45: May 3rd 2023 at 3:32:30 AM

[up]Yes. Disambiguate the page whenever it's ready to be disambiguated; I left it up in case there was anything to move to Luring in Prey.

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#46: May 3rd 2023 at 7:10:42 PM

Well, I still need to finish crosswicking Luring in Prey, so if we're starting the dewicking project now I'll just start replacing Alluring Anglerfish with it while I'm doing that.

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#47: May 3rd 2023 at 7:24:45 PM

Should we update the OP to mention the launched trope rather than the draft?

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Edited by themayorofsimpleton on May 3rd 2023 at 11:22:35 AM

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#48: May 3rd 2023 at 7:52:57 PM

Yes we should; that slipped my mind when I saw that it was launched, so thanks for the reminder.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 3rd 2023 at 9:53:07 AM

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#49: May 10th 2023 at 10:30:22 PM

I disambiguated the page.

Here are the wicks.

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#50: May 11th 2023 at 3:05:51 AM

There is an entire entry on the Pantheon dedicated to anglerfish as a trope. Can it be safely changed to Luring in Prey? Should I ask on the Pantheon thread?

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Trope Repair Shop: Alluring Anglerfish
27th Apr '23 7:11:08 PM

Crown Description:

Alluring Anglerfish is supposed to be about anglerfish representation in media as Fiendish Fish who use their glowing lures to hunt their prey, but many pages apply it to anything that possesses a lure to lure its prey into false sense of security, no matter whenever they even remotely resemble anglerfishes or are even fish in question, and no matter whether the lure in question is a glowing anglerfish lure. The trope also attracted a lot of Zero Context Examples. What should be done with Alluring Anglerfish?

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