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That looks like a fair point. I think we can easily fix this by improving the trope description? It is short enough that I don't think a hard split is necessary.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
I have something of a stake in this, as one of the works under this heading is mine :P
I would like "Next Gen Fic" to be explicitly what the name suggests — a fic focusing on the children of characters from the original, thus usually set around 20 years later (could be more or less for non-human characters, sci-fi settings, etc). Nearly all the examples currently on the page fit this.
The handful of examples that are just "fic taking place a long time later" could be moved to the proposed new trope, Flash Forward Fic (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=v1emjhhiqgp8xd3rirfwowfj)
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Gentleman Troper!
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If by "nearly all" you mean "roughly two-thirds", then yes 
I'm curious whether the common meaning of "Next Gen" is "a next generation" (as in, Star Trek TNG), or specifically "children of the previous main charaters" (as in, Harry Potter fics). I'm honestly not sure either way, but googling the term suggests the former.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Angry babby
In my fandom experience, "next gen" usually refers to fanchildren, and sometimes other original characters are added to just flesh out the universe. I think the original character focus at the very least is the crux of the genre.
Wasn't proposing a hard split BTW, as I'd already drafted Flash Forward Fic and then realized this trope might be broader than I thought.
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Fixing the definition should be enough to save this one.
I'd like to apologize for all this.
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I'd rather merge into Spin-Offspring.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Angry babby
Eh, I feel there's a difference between official sequel starring children and fanfic starring children, but maybe I'm wrong. There are fan works listed on Spin-Offspring but they list sequels to fics that focus on children when the first one didn't.
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Don't just check the article, check the Related To page. Next Gen Fic has ~100 wicks and 2k inbounds. Spin-Offspring has ~650 wicks for a similar number inbounds. That indicates underuse as people are trying to check out the two pages roughly equally, but the more general trope has more tropes. Then there's duplication; thirty-two fanfic pages have wicks to the more general trope. The following fanfic articles wick to both pages:
- Fanfic.Avatar The Legend Of Arata
- Fanfic.Avatar The Legend Of Aryan
- Fanfic.In The Blood
- Fanfic.Legacy Series
- Fanfic.Take A Stand
- ComicBook.Queen And Country
- Literature.Expecting Someone Taller
- Roleplay.Bay 12 Katawa Shoujo Role Play
- Roleplay.Bay 12 RWBY Roleplay
- Roleplay.The Origin Of The Keys
- VideoGame.Rise Of The Reds
- Webcomic.Mass Effect 3 Generations
- Webcomic.SVTFOE Metaverse
- Webcomic.The Lion King Kiaras Reign
- Webcomic.The Motley Two
Spin-Offspring is already a Derivative Works trope. Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Angry babby
Is that really significant underuse if it's a trope specific to one medium? It kind of checks out that a trope that exists in one medium would have about a sixth of the wicks that a trope for all media has. Plus, ~100 wicks is considered healthy.
I just feel like Next Gen Fic might have fanfic-related connotations that make it worth being its own thing that we could flesh out in the description, most notably how it ties into Shipping fantasies.
Edited by mightymewtron on Dec 10th 2020 at 5:24:17 AM
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Angry babby
I think Next Gen Fic has its own kind of connotations. It usually comes with a Gotta Ship 'Em All / Pair the Spares attitude so every couple can have offspring. But otherwise I admit I struggle to really distinguish it.
I feel like Next Gen Fic is a more common way to describe this type of story, though, while Spin-Offspring is mostly a site-specific term. That could explain the inbounds. (Also the fact that a lot of fanfics don't really have wiki pages yet)
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I think that comparison doesn't work.
Gotta Ship 'Em All vs. Pair the Spares (or, more appropriately, Everyone Must Be Paired) is more of a "general fandom attitude" vs. "stuff that actually happens in a work". The former is when "virtually every character in this work is considered a Launcher of a Thousand Ships by fans" (instead of being favoured for a particular ship), while the latter is when "every character in the work ends up with a Love Interest".
Meanwhile, the distinction between Next Gen Fic and Spin-Offspring, seems to boil down to Fanfic vs. non-Fanfic, which I find meaningless.
Edited by Adept on Dec 11th 2020 at 6:13:38 PM
Maintenance?
I believe there is precedent that "X, but for a specific medium" is The Same, but More Specific, unless there is a meaningful difference in how it appears in different mediums. After this, can we do Dead Fic/Orphaned Series from Administrivia.Tropes Needing TRS?
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I concur that "the same thing but in a different medium" is not a distinct trope; that's what on-page folders and subpages are for. So ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
for merging.
Hmm. Another thing to consider is that we do have a host of other Fanfic Tropes, some of which are “Trope + Fanfic AU” because these have often evolved into distinct subgenres with unique conventions by themselves (eg. One True Love / Red String of Fate —> Soulmate AU Fic). How does that square with Next Gen Fic and Spin-Offspring?
Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 11th 2020 at 11:55:00 AM
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For the most part?
For Soulfic specifically? That should be a separate trope, just not Fanfic specific. See this example:- The short film The String is an original work based on this type of work. It's about a girl who doesn't have a Red String of Fate like everyone else. She eventually finds her soulmate who turns out to be a woman.
Maintenance?
We should discuss the suspected duplicates one-by-one. I'd start with Betrayal Fic, which duplicates other Betrayal Tropes.
Gentleman Troper!
I've already made a thread for Playing The Player, which is largely Evil All Along-or-Tomato Surprise But In A Video Game.
Angry babby
I guess I'll accept a merge, though it still feels odd to lump "official" derivative works like sequels with fanfictions. But I guess some works you could argue are just official fanfictions, like Descendants.
Though since it still has a decent amount of redirects and is the more common term for this genre, Next Gen Fic should still redirect to Spin-Offspring if they merge. (And maybe Next Gen Story could be another more general redirect.)
Where do we kick examples that aren't explicitly about fankids but feature new characters from after a Time Skip - the other kind of "next generation"?
Edited by mightymewtron on Dec 11th 2020 at 2:13:21 PM
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The 'is this culture/media/fanwork specific way to play it worth splitting from the broader trope' is really a case by case thing. There are different opinions on whether or not Isekai should be split from Trapped in Another World.
That honestly just sounds like a straight example of Red String of Fate. I don't know if that means soulfic should be merged into that.
I get where mewtron is coming from, though — "fankids" are rather ingrained in shipping culture. Less Spin-Offspring and more a specific type of Original Character. Maybe that by itself could be a trope? That way you distinguish 'canon' kids introduced in the epilogue that become the focus of the sequel, like Harry Potter or Naruto, from those made up by the (edit: fanfic) author, and still mention that they star in Spin-Offspring works.
Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 11th 2020 at 3:38:36 AM
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Had to modify this post a couple of times. Right now, Original Character has no on-page examples and doesn't index any subtropes, which I think is a mistake.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Dec 11th 2020 at 4:24:49 AM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Angry babby
I think a subtrope along the lines of Fan-Created Offspring would make the merge smoother.
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Crown Description:
Next Gen Fic has been in TRS to determine scope due to misuse.
Options A, B, and C are mutually exclusive, while options A-1 and A-2 are conditional on option A gaining consensus and are mutually exclusive with each other.
The description is extremely short and vague. Here it is in its entirety:
Compare Kid Fic and Spin-Offspring. A type of Continuation. Has nothing to do with Star Trek, Degrassi, or Sonic The Hedgehog.
While alluded to in the "compare" section, there's no explicit mention of the main usage for Next Gen Fic on this wiki: a story about the next generation of offspring as opposed to any fan work taking place twenty or years into the future (a draft I'm working on
would cover the Time Skip definition) regardless of the presence of offspring. At the very least, if not the offspring angle, the Original Character angle seems to be the most common usage on the wiki, with most other Time Skip fics getting lumped under Continuation.
Wick check (note that I'm categorizing any fic under "OC-focused" if it doesn't make it clear the OCs are meant to be offspring of canon characters; as I'm not familiar with most of these fics I may miss these details if the page isn't clear enough):
Time Skip focus
Original Character focus
Explicitly offspring
Unclear / Zero-contextx
Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 10th 2020 at 2:03:39 PM
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