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We have this mess in Good Lawyers, Good Clients:
We have an overlong, unorganized analysis with what sounds like some irrelevant points mixed with played straight, subversions and a zig-zaggging example (the whole The Empty Turnabout group was added by me). I've tried to fix this, but I can't get my head around it. Ideas?
I've found some indentation problems on Characters.MUGEN:
All individual tropes should be on their own main bullet, not subbullets to some other trope. Personally I think it makes sense with logical grouping like that, but it's not the wiki standard. Might also want to remove the link to the nude patch.
The jokes section of Mathematician's Answer is a mess. It has dozens of indentation violations and a ton of Word Cruft. Most of the text that introduces a joke is "Another joke:", "Yet another one:", etc. Shall I remove these lines and leave the jokes naked? As in:
I think quotes floating around are not kosher, but they should be better than the same Word Cruft over and over again across the page.
Another akternative is to take the info in the quote and convert it into normal text.
Everything Is an Instrument, especially the Music folder, has enough of a mix between General examples and poor indentation that I'm mildly worried about fixing it myself. Does someone else have more confidence they can repair the poorly indented examples?
I know Funny pages are a common target for bad indentation, but I'm hoping that since Deltarune is the big new game of the moment, it'll set a good precedent if its Funny page is perfectly indented. I added a commented out note asking tropers to not add second-level bullet points to expand on existing examples, but it seems to be ignored.
Game Theory (Lyrical Nanoha) is a bit of a trainwreck, and I haven't finished reading the fic so I don't want to dive into what is surely a minefield of spoilers.
Show Within a Show has a problem, I especially had a look at the TV sub-page, and it's a mess.
The biggest problem in my opinion is that the trope has 4 types, and the examples are supposed to be sorted out that way.
However, there are examples that have features of several types at once, or there are several examples from one show, but each is of different type.
This leads to ugly formatting and repetitions like the following:
I propose we get rid of those type labels and just make a normal list without soft-splitting the page.
But it would be a huge change for the page, so I thought I should ask first. What do you say?
Edited by XFllo on Jan 16th 2019 at 3:48:01 PM
I think Type 1 should be drafted in TLP, spinning it off into a Sub-Trope for works that show characters "backstage". I don't see much purpose in separating the other types.
Thanks for the feedback.
May I ask why you think type 1 is tropeworthy (distinct enough to have a page of its own) while the others are not?
I'd be willing to take it to TLP myself, but I don't see any distinction (for now).
It could be hard to distinguish differences and nuances: sometimes there are protagonists involved in the production (Joye in Friends), but at times they are supporting cast (like the theatre in Midsummer Night's Dream or in Hamlet).
My proposal is just to sort the examples, get rid of ZCE and natter and correct the indentation; generally, the types should be mentioned just in the description (no need to label each example and state whether it's type 1 or type 2 or combination of all 4).
Listing the type labels:
In contrast, types 2, 3, and 4 are hard to distinguish differences and nuances. How can the Show Within a Show become a plot point if none of the characters are fans? Why would we see enough of the Show Within a Show to recognize it is eerily similar if none of the characters are fans? If the Show Within a Show is eerily similar, doesn't that provide a plot point?
Well, that sounds like an issue for TRS.
Well, the issue is fixing up a trope. Splitting up a trope and creating a sub-trope or merging tropes has to be approved by more people and Trope Repair Shop is the place for it.
No, creating a subtrope can be done in TLP.
OK then, I didn't know that.
Trying to clean up Phineas and Ferb, found this, really don't know where to begin cleaning it. Can everything under the main bullet be deleted, or...?
Yes. That've very natterific, so away with it. Maybe I'd incorporate something from the second sub-bullet about the cuteness radar thing, but it's probably not necessary. Clear, concise, witty.
In trying to crosswick for Confess My Love, I ended up discovering just how damn nattery and poorly indented GuideDangIt.Eastern RPG is. Cleaning up, but it's very long.
Hot Witch: The first entry for Buffy has two examples written as one. It's written in such a way that I find it impossible to separate it and have enough context for each. Anyone familiar with the show enough who could rewrite it?
Edited by XFllo on Mar 17th 2019 at 12:19:20 PM
I think Eurovision Song Contest needs a bit of a clean-up, indentation wise.
Creator.Jacqueline Wilson is a mess. (I'll try to clean it up later if no one else is on it. I ran across this page when dewicking Green Eyes.)
I'll Kill You! has a lot of indentation problems. Mostly natter...
What's the best way to fix these examples from No Such Thing as Wizard Jesus?
Sorry for the huge post, I think I heard folder markup doesn't work on the forums?
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How well does it match the trope?