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  • Alas, Poor Scrappy: Some people's reaction to Brolli's death after the events of the second half of the film. There's a lot of differences on this one.
  • Angst Aversion: Confirmed several times when word of mouth spread far enough for some people in the Walfas community to stand far from Diamond In The Rough for how brutal its ending is. However, compared to the reactions, it's not as bad as it seems... Though some people have called this on scenes that does not include the ending such as the scenes where Yuuka and Keine get raped by the previous Gappy.
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  • Audience-Alienating Premise: One of the main causes of Angst Aversion, it's the story of a boy who goes to a magical fantasy world in hopes of going on an adventure and becoming a hero, only to end up on a long downward spiral of loneliness, paranoia, betrayal, and death, and the audience is frequently reminded Brolli will die. There's another portion of the audience who are fine with this, saying Brolli deserves to die for being shallow and ignorant. However, approaching the halfway point, we find out the characters are more than they appear to be and some of the events didn't really happen the way we thought, as well as bringing up some rather obscure Touhou facts only found in the source books, showing the audience they're no better.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Brolli, purposefully. Spaztique has even mentioned this in the comments.
      Calamity 2007: I don't get it Spaztique, how do you want us to feel about Brolli? Because you have mentioned before that people wanting to see him die is a reaction you're going for. I'm not complaining, I just find it strange that your giving him all these heartwarming moments if that was the reaction your going for.
      Spaztique: Ambivalent. He's not wholly good, nor wholly bad. You're supposed to be torn between whether he should deserve his eventual fate or not. Though, to say any more will spoil the ending...
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    • The depiction of Yukari creates a lot of conflict, because when she reveals that her plan to guarantee the Gensokyan paradise is to create a Forever War between humans and youkai, some people declared her to be morally bankrupted, even considering Blue and Orange Morality. Though it's explained that she's portrayed purposefully this way, in order to make a contrast with the way she's portrayed in gappy fics, basically as a Female Japanese Blonde Santa Claus, and following her actual canon portrayal of a mischievous youkai.
  • Captain Obvious Reveal: It's obvious from the start Yukari's meat is made of people, but the fact that Brolli and the other Gappies (along with some audience members) don't suspect a thing drives home how much these unsuspecting kids trust Yukari. Then you realize it's not just any people: it's every previous Gappy. It doesn't help that minus the part about the Gappies, Yukari gapping in humans for food for the Youkai is canon.
  • Crowning Music of Awesome: The soundtrack has gotten some very good reviews.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy:
    • There have been a few calls that the plot is basically a giant downward spiral for a Gappy that leads to the destruction of Gensokyo with nothing to stop it. Though, by the end, Brolli, Reimu, Aya, and Momiji are the last ones trying to save Gensokyo, Tenshi's efforts will prevent further destruction by Jack Diehard and future Gappies, and Vic sets out to stop more people from taking Yukari's offer.
    • There have also been a few who have voiced this about the treatment of certain characters in the series by either a Gappy or another character, and the Kick the Dog moments getting more and more malicious. Yuuka is probably the biggest example. Some people by the end have brought up that they wished everyone should suffer a Fate Worse than Death for all of them being at least indirectly responsible for Brolli's death and Gensokyo's destruction.
  • Designated Hero: Even though he's the "hero", Brolli doesn't really do anything heroic at all up until the end of the story. Although even then all he did was give Tenshi exactly what she wanted (his death)... so not really sure that counts as being heroic.. It's pretty obvious that his arrival to Gensokyo and his behavior ends up making things worse for pretty much everyone.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Among Diamondback's beasts, it seems Lepus is the most well received among the fandom. It could be because he get the most screentime, is funny, helps Brolli with women, and is actually the nicest (that being the least Jerkass) of the beasts.
  • Genius Bonus:
    • The characters rarely say "no," but rather opt for "not really." This is a Japanese language convention, as it is impolite to directly say no.
    • Mokou mentions her father was humiliated and killed trying to attain one of Kaguya's impossible requests. In the original Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, only one of the princes was killed trying to get the cowrie born from swallows.
    • When Brolli is moved via Sakuya's time-stop effect, he suffers from formication, one of the side-effects of mild decompression sickness.
    • Six hundred million cubic kilometers, the amount of space Brolli's pockets will contain affect learning the magic of the Codex Puteus, is how large the Pacific Ocean is.
    • All of the tactics Lepus uses are legitimate pick-up artistry tactics, from negging to embedded language to focusing more on figuring out the girl than revealing Brolli's traits to make him seem more "mysterious." In addition, his advice about putting a pillow under the waist is to increase the "angle of attack".
  • Harsher in Hindsight / Hilarious in Hindsight: Many of the comments from the early episodes, and many more by the time the series wraps up...
    • The backstory of Hopeless Masquerade has the human village hopeless after a series of disastrous incidents, looking to the religious leaders for protection and the future fate of Gensokyo (though it turns out to really be Hata no Kokoro stealing hope from the village after losing her Mask of Hope). DitR takes place a little while after Ten Desires, and Spaztique has since accepted that Diamond In The Rough takes places directly before Hopeless Masquerade. Whether or not this makes the game into a warm and fuzzy experience knowing Gensokyo is returning back to normal or an uncomfortable tearjerker knowing what they all just went through is up to the player.
      Spaztique: Go ahead, folks. Play Hopeless Masquerade knowing DitR happened beforehand.
    • There is now a canon Touhou game titled Urban Legend in Limbo that involves a self-centered high school student coming to Gensokyo and nearly destroying it.
    • Hell, even Len'en (a Shoot 'em Up game based on Touhou) portraits a fantasy world and some outsider humans coming to Mugenri (the equivalent of Gensokyo), where they gain powers and resolve incidents. However, later games (Brilliant Pagoda or Haze Castle in particular) show that some of these outsiders are becoming corrupt and the residents are planning to kick them out. Coincidence.
    • And now in the territory of official works, in Forbidden Scrollery, more specifically, chapters 46-50, it has brought into the thing some plot points used in Spaztique's webcomic, like the Youkai's importance to Gensokyo's ecosystem, and Kosuzu, being influenced by a Youkai by using the titular scroll and using that power intending to bring balance to Gensokyo.
  • "Holy Shit!" Quotient: According to the Ustream audience, the incident scores extremely high, featuring massive danmaku battles, virtually every alliance in Gensokyo falling apart as things constantly go From Bad to Worse, the entire cast getting picked off one-by-one, and dozens of Awesome Moments and Call Backs.
  • Iron Woobie: Brolli during the incident, at least before crossing the Despair Event Horizon when the horror just doesn't stop.
  • It Was His Sled: Even before the completion of the series. GENSOKYO LOCAL BEEF IS PEOPLE! Specifically all the other gappies.
  • Misaimed Fandom:
    • "Fans" who haven't seen the full movie wish they were in Brolli's place. While many who have seen the full movie and its Downer Ending changed their minds, there are also "fans" who have seen Diamond In The Rough in its entirety and missed the point completely...
    • In a few fics, writers tried to find workarounds solely based on Diamond In The Rough's plot instead of story mechanics. For example, instead of Yukari gapping in the main character, it's another character, using the excuse, "Yukari didn't gap him in, so he's not a Gappy Stu!" These characters then proceed to woo all of the women in Gensokyo and become the big hero with no meaningful conflict to stop them.
    • Some fans who did understand Diamond In The Rough have adamantly attacked any sort of outsider main character as being a Marty Stu, even though Spaztique has said multiple times that a Gappy is not necessarily a Stu, and a Stu doesn't have to be a Gappy.
  • Moment of Awesome: Has its own page.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Arturo, the previous Gappy, takes a supersonic flight over the Moral Event Horizon by murdering children and younger to have sex with Yuuka, then going off to rape Keine. Later revelations have nearly made him hit lightspeed when it's revealed that Yuuka was only bluffing, and only would have sex with him if he refused. When Arturo hears this he rapes her.
    • To some, The Diamondback Beasts cross it after destroying The Scarlet Devil Mansion and voiding Spell Card Rules.
    • Tenshi crosses it after ordering an attack on the Tengu Village and Kappa Valley, killing thousands.
  • Nausea Fuel: The real reason why Yukari gaps children into Gensokyo... Shishkebab, anyone?
  • Nightmare Fuel: Using canon elements as its primary source. Has its own page.
  • Older Than They Think: This is in fact not the first work to deconstruct the Gappy Stu archetype like this. There is a less well known part of Touhou canon called Dolls in Pseudo Paradise that not only deconstructed it but also introduced the concept in the first place.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: The Diamondback Beasts. Originally based on blatant Marty Stu characters, retooled into more likable or compelling characters. ColonelDiamondback has adopted many of their traits for his own videos.
  • Rooting for the Empire: Deconstructed in the full film: If you're rooting for Tenshi to finally kill Brolli, you seem to have forgotten that Brolli's death will also affect virtually everyone he knows. Sadly, your only option is to root for the "hero", but since we know he's going to die, well...
  • The Scrappy:
    • Marisa fits in this trope for some viewers. She is the only one that doesn't feel regret for her actions and she's Not So Different from Brolli, also taking advantage of Gensokyo's resources, leading to the Broken Aesop of "you can explore Gensokyo as you wish, if you don't become an existential threat." Although she has a track record of resolving incidents and obeys the limits of Gensokyo, some viewers tend to see her as being Born Lucky. Episode 11 seems to try to rectify this though by her admitting that her actions are a bit selfish and saying that even then, she would sacrifice her life if it meant preserving the balance of Gensokyo. Whether or not viewers accept this remains to be seen.
    • The Diamondback Beasts were this originally but the final video product has them having a bit of Character Development, especially Lepus...That is until episode 13 where they destroy the Scarlet Devil Mansion, against Brolli's wishes and crush Flandre in the rubble. Which seems to have thrown them back on the Scrappy heap.
    • Byakuren, Sanae (by extension also Kanako and Suwako) and Nitori, but especially Nitori. All of them betrayed the heroes, working together with Tenshi and attempting to get rid of thousands of innocents only to kill Brolli even though by that point he is fully aware of the chaos he has caused AND tries to fix it for non-selfish reasons... although the only chaos actually happening is because people want Brolli dead, making everything he does pretty meaningless. Byakuren seems to regret it, while Sanae will live in the knowledge that Tenshi has one-upped her with black mail and basicly killed an innocent if stupid sixteen year old. But Nitori? She gets cheered as a hero by fully using the scapegoat that Brolli has now become, even though she was basically responsible for the destruction of Kappa Valley by willingly giving Brolli everything he asked for without thinking of the consequences, then paints herself awesome for "killing" him. Worse, the only person who knows the truth gets painted as a liar.
  • Ships That Pass in the Night: Inverted with Marisa and Reimu. In a normal Gappy Stu fic, Reimu and Marisa are inseparable, acting as Those Two Guys. In Reel 1, Reimu and Marisa appear together in only one scene (outside of flashbacks) and exchange only eight lines of dialogue. Reel 2 gives them just as little screentime together. Possibly an aversion when you take into account that Reimu and Marisa never appear together in the games until the endings.
  • Tear Jerker: To the point of Angst Aversion. Has its own page.
  • Visual Effects of Awesome: Many uStreamers agree that the fight scenes are superb, especially the climatic battle between Brolli and Tenshi.
  • The Woobie:
    • Vic, who only appears briefly in the outside world scenes, but it really kicks in when you realize he's a Gappy who escaped Gensokyo, but not after killing his former friend Arturo and then accidentally killing a field full of children in revenge against an innocent youkai.
    • Brolli. Despite all of his selfish actions and his hypocrisy, he eventually realizes that he was doomed from the very beginning of his story, despite all of his attempts to change and be a better person. He dies, and the world moves on without him.
    • After the incident, Gensokyo as a whole: two villages have been virtually destroyed, an innocent boy has been killed (although how innocent he is after what he does in Gensokyo is debatable), the "villains" who got away with it are being celebrated as heroes and can't come clean without causing another (even worse) incident, the real "villain" did it because she was fed up with everyone's mistreatment of the boy, and all of his friends have either a Heroic BSoD, cross the Despair Event Horizon, or have a Fate Worse than Death. The only people that viewers can't feel sorry for are Jack, for representing everything people do hate about Marty Stus, and Yukari, who only gapped Brolli, and all of the other children, for pretty sinister reasons.

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