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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#15201: Apr 27th 2015 at 9:53:28 PM

On more news on Yugioh 5 Ds/Yugioh Arc V:

edited 27th Apr '15 10:15:48 PM by Toony123

Why I can't never get it right?
rin14100 Darkness' old friend from The Guatemala City Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Darkness' old friend
#15202: Apr 27th 2015 at 11:03:20 PM

@ Yuuno: Make him nervous around any cat deities and make mention something about him sharing the same name as that Yuno.

Ionasal.kkll.Preciel, Goddess of Unusual Ears (Ion, Lighthouse Keeper, Pink Demon, Nei Yuuki)

note 

Is Crippling Overspecialization taken?

edited 28th Apr '15 1:40:18 AM by rin14100

In times of trouble, turn to the Devil for guidance.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#15203: Apr 27th 2015 at 11:35:54 PM

I'm seeing people argue so much about YHVH. And, going into bias here: I don't buy Atlus trying to make Him seem morally ambiguous. When I look at the SMT battle of Law and Chaos, I don't see Lawful Neutral vs Chaotic Neutral-I just think Lawful Evil vs Chaotic Neutral. Most of the time, they do well in making Lucifer ambiguous, but there are very few times where YHVH comes across as anything but evil. Yeah, there's Devil Survivor, but that's like one or two in the whole SMT shebang.

WARNING WARNING: This is my personal bias and opinion. You are free to have different opinions

They're trying to make YHVH Pure Law(which would equate a Lawful Neutral who has transcended morals or thinks law is morality), but it keeps failing. An extreme Law YHVH would try to eliminate free will, yes, but He wouldn't abuse his own side like YHVH actually does. He would be motivated in altruistic methods. YHVH has often shown He isn't interested in eliminating free will because he thinks we'd be better off. He just wants to make people worship Him forever and be eternally obedient.

Compare to his much viler counterpart, Darkseid. Numerous times, he's shown an irrational hatred towards free will. But it is never done in a means to humanize Darkseid, nor to give him even an inkling of some transcendent morality. No, it's used to show that Darkseid is so evil, so full of malice he can't stand the existence of independent thought, purely because it harms his ego. Which is pretty much YHVH's motivation: I feel uncomfortable with free will, and I will destroy it primarily because of that

The main differences behind their personality is that Darkseid is sadistic, and out and aware of how horrible he is. YHVH, at the very least, isn't interested in tormenting his subjects, only having them praising him. And he's either too narcissistic or suffers from an enormous Moral Myopia that deludes him into thinking he's good.

So basically what I'm saying is that, in spite of everything they told us and what they want us to think, YHVH is not this cosmic, morally ambiguous figure. He's not Lawful Neutral, Pure Law or Lawful Blue: he's plain old Lawful Evil. Not a Complete Monster like Darkseid, mind you(as I've mentioned, he's had a few good moments), but definitely some kind of monster. Any attempt to make him seem otherwise just comes off as him being a Designated Anti-Villain

At this point, I believe that they're trying to make YHVH seem anything other than evil for the following:

  • To make Law seem more attractive, and those who choose it seem less dickish
  • To avoid Unfortunate Implications with a deity based off and named of The God of the Bible being evil
  • To not alienate Western audiences, and worshippers of said God YHVH is based off

Finally, I think Atlus made the "YHVH's evil is not his fault" as a means of covering their asses. I just think they originally made Him evil through and through, and added that to not piss off the Western Audeince

BIAS/OPINIONS OVER

Well, that's my thoughts on YHVH. Be free to add your own. Now, I'd like a vote for what TV Trope's official policy on YHVH should be. What we really think:

Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#15204: Apr 28th 2015 at 3:23:30 AM

You know what? SCREW THIS. I'm just gonna revert the spoilers and the brainwashing to Saiou later and I'm gonna edit Judai's profile to say again "Opposes" instead of "Enemies" and maybe I'll do a massive Retcon to Eliphas.

I have been here, saying that I don't care about Him but I wanted to have the best outcome of whoever had the (stupid) idea of changing the GUAL in the first place but nobody steps in to help so the whole isn't freaking badly executed like it was right now!!!

Why I can't never get it right?
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#15205: Apr 28th 2015 at 3:46:08 AM

Lucifer's ambiguous nature is also helped by the fact that he has had heroic or noble behind the scene roles in games that were never brought over from Japan. (Majin Tensei I-II, Devil Children series). Plus he's been used several times to represent the bonds of friendship between individuals in the Persona series and Devil Survivor 2.

A big factor is also that YHVH doesn't exist in the Devil Children one, and most of the higher ranked angels are Lawful Evil even without him or YHVH ditches everything but leaves a final screw you to them all in Majin Tensei (Satan trying to Kill All Humans for his master). The Angels are also doing their own Lawful schemes in the sequel.

edited 28th Apr '15 3:48:26 AM by OmegaRadiance

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
rin14100 Darkness' old friend from The Guatemala City Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Darkness' old friend
#15207: Apr 28th 2015 at 3:57:54 AM

[up] What happened?

In times of trouble, turn to the Devil for guidance.
TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#15208: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:01:42 AM

[up] Well ex-freaking-cuse me for being sick of being unable to do anything good with GUAL due of it being formed out of Mr Mc Baldy Head throwing a tantrum and starting his own club. Without blackjack and hookers.

The guy is like the best example of what Law shouldn't be and even if you say he isn't always evil, I am pretty sute if you weight His bad against His "good", it would weight forwards the bad end.

[down] And then Eiki would step in and be like "You two are giving me a headache! If you don't stop now, then I'll swear I'm going to apply Black and White judgement to send both of you to Hell"

edited 28th Apr '15 4:11:58 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#15209: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:03:24 AM

[up][up][up][up] Ye Gods man, how long does it take to ascend Eliphas already?

It's YHVH, isn't it. Okay, I'm in agreement that He's a monster who only befouls Law. Now, let's see how many agree with me

Note: No, I am not and never going to suggest he should be within a ten yottaparsec of the Disgraces, let alone as a member. YHVH is well-written. But if the GUAL is ever going to make some progress, there's going to be some serious refurbishment of the organization. I thus declare the Law Civil War! Eliphas of Yugioh Zexal and YHVH of Shin Megami Tensei go into battle in a grand civil war amongst all Law-inclined deities. Winner becomes the new Leader, loser is banished from the GUAL.

Though there is a mystery to all of this: who helped Eliphas get in, beginning this war? We can decide on which Overdeity that is. My vote? Melkor

[up] Good and Evil were just one half of the alignments. Order and Chaos keeps things from becoming Black-and-White Morality, and gives some ambiguity to this mythology we're creating. And really, it's Atlus' fault for making Law so pissy

edited 28th Apr '15 4:05:56 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

EDFHemlock Cynical Culture Enthusiast from Why would I reveal this? Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cynical Culture Enthusiast
#15210: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:11:30 AM

[up]YHVH can easily use Voice of God, one shotting his opponent.

Super Happy Fun Time with Monokuma, Lucifer and YHVH
Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#15211: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:11:38 AM

[up][up] Eliphas is in, what do you think I'm witching about?!

And the last thing I want is a Civil War. I still need to finish my stories. sad

[up] Eliphas has Yuma use the Numeron Code to Retcon YHVH out of existence. Gosh, how nice it is to be The Alien Deity Behind The Idiot. [lol]

edited 28th Apr '15 4:17:22 AM by Toony123

Why I can't never get it right?
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#15212: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:14:55 AM

[up] Gotcha. Any Civil War should happen after the most recent storyline

[up][up] Not that's that stopped us buffing up characters. Canon Melkor? Only had influence over a planet? Trope Pantheon Melkor? The supreme Devil who's presence can be felt throughout the omniverse. A lot of characters there fit the Adaptational Badass trope pretty well. No reason that we couldn't do the same to Eliphas

In the end, if the GUAL is to have any progress and seem like a viable, likable alliance, something's gonna change. YHVH can't have total power over it. Which, later on, shall lead to a Civil War. YHVH has had this coming a long time.

edited 28th Apr '15 4:20:48 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#15213: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:39:59 AM

[up] aim all for Melkor taking center stage since it would fit well for a storyline of him being fear.

Rin@ Well, what happen is that Steam put in a feature in which modders could sell their Mods. Also, the modders would get only 25% of VIRTUAL DOLLARS for every sell. And boy was everybody piss to the point they proclaim Gabe as Darth Vader. Though, luckily, that feature was remove.

And I'm all for reformation of Law that I'm ok with a Civil War.

JRads47 Me Listening to You RN from Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center Since: Dec, 2014
Me Listening to You RN
#15214: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:43:06 AM

So can we talk about the wonderful person that is Cavery210?

He's probably the living definition of Fan Myopia I've seen so far. Let's talk about his acts of bravery:

1) Bringing back Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon into the Disgraces, even though we agreed to take them out. His reasoning? "They bullied Scootaloo and made Babs a bad guy." Yes, because they make Dr. Weil look like Jonathan Joestar. Anyway, no one approved of this.

2) Removing Hayate's parents from the Disgraces and replacing it with the worst profile to ever be seen here. No pothole, no trope, NOTHING. and do remember that he ascended this TWO HOURS after he put up the profile, and no one approved of it. And his reasoning for removing said holders? "I found someone better."

3) Putting Princess Cadance in Royalty, without checking here first. I don't hate the profile, I mean the trope fits, it's decently made. Well you know why? BECAUSE HE STOLE SOMEONE'S PROFILE! Who does that?

TL;DR: Cavery210 is extremely impulsive and apathetic to other's opinions, and we need to do something about it.

[down]Notion to name Penguin Lord Voldemort from now on?

[down][down] Ferot_Dreadnaught. And Cavery was the one who deleted it. What the fuck, man.

edited 28th Apr '15 4:54:17 AM by JRads47

rin14100 Darkness' old friend from The Guatemala City Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Darkness' old friend
#15215: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:47:33 AM

[up]Sooooo, he's Penguinwhatevertherestofhisusernamewas before he showed up? [up]Sure thing.

@Whirl: I can see why that would piss off people

edited 28th Apr '15 5:10:05 AM by rin14100

In times of trouble, turn to the Devil for guidance.
HotmanX32 Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#15216: Apr 28th 2015 at 4:51:47 AM

[up][up] Who made the Cadence profile first?

...I'm going to settle this through PM.

[down] And who would that be?

edited 28th Apr '15 5:23:23 AM by HotmanX32

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#15217: Apr 28th 2015 at 5:21:55 AM

[up][up] If there's one Disgrace I want, it's someone who embodies the bad writing qualities of TV Tropes itself

Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#15218: Apr 28th 2015 at 5:44:01 AM

@Cavery: Kill Him With Fire.

So in "Eliphas'"/my possible plans are:

  • Form an army. How? Well,let's see...
  • I'll write that Eliphas was the one who snapped Saiou out of his brainwashing.
  • Ascend Kaito Tenjoh. I will pothole Narukami with "Surrogate Brothers" and ascend Tenjoh as the true god of Kind Brotherhood because DARN It/The Pantheon/You/Everyone, Kaito is a real brother unlike Yu.
  • Ascend Oriko Mikuni for Antagonist Title. She's not that bad, just extremist.
  • Ascend Vector for Evil All Along and Nightmare Face. Hey, the guy said he wanted to aid the Astral World in the end so why not? He would be just a back up, for obvious reasons. Of course, this would allow Lucifer to spy on the entire Civil War thing.
  • Convince Jeanne D'Arc and Alexander Anderson that following YHVH is blasphemy against their real deity.

If I'm not allowed to do any of the above, I quit! I had enough of this, I Knew It! that this would degenerate into this.

[down] OK, do whatever you want with Jeanne. Alexander is still fair game.

edited 28th Apr '15 5:53:46 AM by Toony123

Why I can't never get it right?
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#15219: Apr 28th 2015 at 5:51:15 AM

Do what you want for Anderson, I hot something For Jeaane.

Also, chill.

edited 28th Apr '15 6:05:10 AM by WhirlRX

protocol95 Since: Sep, 2014
#15220: Apr 28th 2015 at 6:01:06 AM

[up][up][up]There's The Wiki Witch of the Web in the fallen. Does she count?

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#15221: Apr 28th 2015 at 6:04:41 AM

You know what... maybe we should just forget about GUAL. Its such a headache that even myself don't want to deal with it.

Also, these is this one rule I am trying to word

"On works like books, video games, films and such, wait until they have come out to start doing something with them. With stuff like comics, cartoons, manga, anime and such, wait until there is a good place to really work on a god (like if a particular story arc is complete, season finale etc.)."

edited 28th Apr '15 6:12:59 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#15222: Apr 28th 2015 at 6:11:36 AM

For the YHVH deal, one of the things him and his angelic forces are known for is pretty much influencing individuals into choosing Lawful over good, and it's a big part of why his forces tend to be so strong.

There's pretty much been one case of a Lawful human in the SMT series prioritizing humanity over serving Law and that was Amane Kuzuryu.

I could see the irony of the Grand Alliance of Law not being as united as they should be, with chaos being more united than them.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#15223: Apr 28th 2015 at 6:12:55 AM

@Whirl: I hate nobody helped me when I asked for help.

@TPPR 10: You cannot just say "hey, let's forget about this" when I already ascended the alien. You could have said that before. Do you have any idea how difficult is for me to ascend someone with how busy I'm nowadays?

edited 28th Apr '15 6:16:36 AM by Toony123

Why I can't never get it right?
TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#15224: Apr 28th 2015 at 6:18:51 AM

[up] *deep breath* Do I look what is going on in the background. Do I look I know that much about this guy. I am getting sick of dealing with that freaking Baldy Head, since no one seems to agree how do deal with him. I'm getting real annoyed to the point where I wonder if I should leave this thread for some time. And can I help that this is brought up after he already ascended? No. Just ascend whoever you want, but please, just because something gets in the way, don't just complain about it. You might be mad, but so am I.

In fact, fuck it. I am not going to say anything about GUAL. You guys can do whatever you want. I am keeping my mouth shut about it unless I really need to voice my opinion.

Also, this rule I have been trying to work out.

"On works like books, video games, films and such, wait until they have come out to start doing something with them. With stuff like comics, cartoons, manga, anime and such, wait until there is a good place to really work on a god (like if a particular story arc is complete, season finale etc.)."

edited 28th Apr '15 6:20:56 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
HotmanX32 Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#15225: Apr 28th 2015 at 6:21:18 AM

[up] I made that rule to prevent anyone from going hasty with ascending characters. You can feel free to delete it if you please.

edited 28th Apr '15 6:22:11 AM by HotmanX32

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