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Useful Tips:
- Make sure that the example makes sense to both people who don't know the work AND don't know the trope.
- Wrong: The Mentor: Kevin is this to Bob in the first episode.
- Right: The Mentor: Kevin takes Bob under his wing in the first episode and teaches him the ropes of being a were-chinchilla.
- Never just put the trope title and leave it at that.
- Wrong: Badass Adorable
- Right: Badass Adorable: Xavier, the group's cute little mascot, defeats three raging elephants with both hands tied behind his back using only an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
- When is normally far less important than How.
- A character name is not an explanation.
- Wrong: Full Moon Silhouette: Diana
- Right: Full Moon Silhouette: At the end of her transformation sequence into Moon Princess Misty, Diana is shown flying across the full moon riding a rutabaga.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Sep 18th 2023 at 11:42:55 AM
It should probably be noted, for the sake of context, that the request comes as a result of this ATT thread where every instance of "bully" in Characters.Accel World was changed to "delinquents" and the particular entry was changed from Gang of Bullies to Japanese Delinquents. So, if I'm assuming correctly, the question regarding the entry of which term better applies
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 3rd 2018 at 12:31:25 PM
Musician/Composer
Yes, that's correct. I was concerned about which term regarding Araya better applies here since I edited that page which led to the ATT thread. Also, another example I'm thinking about:
- Delinquent Hair: Araya has spiky red hair, pierced ears and is the leader of a gang that terrorized Haruyuki.
Does this count?
Edited by gjjones on Oct 4th 2018 at 2:57:17 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S8 E15 "The Hearth's Warming Club":
- Recycled Script: This episode has a similar twist to the Sofia the First episode "The Mystic Isles: A Very Mystic Wassailia", mainly in how a character (Chrysta in the former and Gallus here) is revealed to not have a family.
I've seen Recycled Script removed because it requires they they recycle from previous works of the creator or franchise, not just similar plots. Cut?
Does It Was His Sled require that even people who haven't seen the work in question know the twist? If so, I don't know if the Stretch Armstrong and the Flex Fighters first season finale achieved this, yet. From the YMMV page:
- It Was His Sled: The first season finale reveals that Rook is Stretch Monster . Go to any forum or video on the internet, and it'll be a major point of discussion. Despite this, the description for his figure hides this more effectively than the description for Blindstrike's figure does that character's secret.note
I can't imagine a Stretch Armstrong cartoon meeting that threshold. The very fact that said sled was spoilered our belies its status as such a twist.
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 3rd 2018 at 6:28:42 AM
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Cut. It's probably just a coincidence.
No, the other one.
Yeah, It Was His Sled is about even non-watchers knowing about it.
It compares to All There Is To Know About The Crying Game where that is the only thing people know about the work, but both are about something so well-known it goes outside its own fandom.
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This was on Ai Yori Aoshi:
- Fan-Preferred Couple: It's obvious from the first episode that Kaoru and Aoi will wind up together. (Some would say painfully obvious, in that it kills a lot of potential tension.) Even so, how can one help but feel bad for?
Does this count as a Genre-Killer example? Seems more like someone finding another way to complain about The Asterisk War, and the series doesn't seem to affect the Wizarding School Battle Harem genre all that much.
- The polarizing ratings of The Asterisk War killed off the Wizarding School Battle Harem light novel genre, which, while not exactly being a critical favorite, was quite a profitable genre for both books and anime. Despite A-1 Pictures' extensive marketing campaign (most notably having a high animation budget and getting Maaya Sakamoto to perform the ending theme, with music from Swedish electro-house artist and huge Occidental Otaku Rasmus Faber), it caused a bit of a controversy among viewers due to the first episode's Cliché Storm held together by Fanservice. While light novels haven't abandoned the Harem Genre entirely, the trend toward Eastern RPG inspired fantasy stories means that they, nowadays, at least have some semblance of a plot rather than one that exists only for cute girl fanservice. Chivalry Of A Failed Knight had also aired on the same season, making it a Dueling Work. Not only were the plots to both shows' first episodes almost identical to each other, which became a factor in the genre being perceived as being Strictly Formula, that show ended up doing better than Asterisk War in the end despite its lower budget and shorter run time, both critically and commercially.
Musician/Composer
I don't think so. It should be removed.
Edited by gjjones on Oct 4th 2018 at 3:59:58 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
??? Uh... Thinly veiled complaining. Burn it.
No, the other one.
That's just complaining. You can't really have a Genre-Killer if you also at the same time describe a show of the same genre that was successful. And it's probably more that the isekai genre pushed it away a bit. Which, by the way, also on occasion include those Wizarding School Battle Harem settings, so it's not like that's dead.
Fan-Preferred Couple is mutually exclusive with Official Couple.
Musician/Composer
Also, in addition to the examples I presented above, I would like to propose another trope:
- Reality Ensues: After Araya hits Kuroyukihime in front of the whole school, the latter instantly gets expelled for this act due to violence being a ground for immediate expulsion. When he later tries to murder her with his car, Kuroyukihime gets sent to the hospital due to her injuries. In both instances, Araya also has to face legal consequences.
Does this count as a true example?
Edited by gjjones on Oct 4th 2018 at 3:09:09 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
- WTH, Casting Agency?: Twilight as Light Yagami. Seriously. The Adorkable Book Worm being cast in the role of Manipulative Bastard A God I Am delusionist is a bit of a streach. Especially when she used the Death Note to kill Rarity and Pinkie Pie, two of her closest friends and fellow wielders of the Elements of Harmony. The remorse she had over comitting that act be damned, it's hard to imagine Twilight ever doing such a thing, and sort of kills the Willing Suspension of Disbelief for some.
- Fluttershy is an even bigger example. She's the Second Kira and she kills Sweetie Belle!
If it's not real life casting, does it count?
I think it's not an example.
If nothing else, there's no actual casting, in the traditional sense.
...I'm curious whether there's any conceivable casting of My Little Pony characters in Death Note that would not provoke "What the hell?" reactions. Frankly, I can't even get through saying "My Little Pony characters in Death Note" at all without having one.
Edited by nrjxll on Oct 4th 2018 at 6:45:19 AM
@ Gjjones: I always thought that Reality Ensues is when something happens in a realistic manner, even when viewers thought that a certain event would play by narrative conventions. It would also count as an example of Extraordinary World, Ordinary Problems.
Ok, somebody went all too happy with the Relationship Voice Actor trope and added these examples to Rascal Does Not Dream of Bunny Girl Senpai:
- Mai, Kaede and Rio are Kii, Tionisha and Lilith
- Saki and Tomoe are Izetta and Lotte
- Sakuta, Tomoe, Mai and Yuuma are Fau, Chloe, Emilia and Gren
- Sakuta, Nodoka, Tomoe and Kaede are Takeo, Shino, Lelei and Nanami
- Sakuta and Tomoe are Ryou and Lacia
- Sakuta and Nodoka are Arthur and Irina and Havia and Lady Vanderbilt
- Nodoka and Mai are Medoki and Yusa
- Shouko and Nodoka are Hestia and Liliruca
- Rio and Kaede are Mei and Rin
- Nodoka, Rio and Saki are Red Beryl, Neptunite and Zircon
- Sakuta and Rio are Nine and Lisa
I thought Relationship Voice Actor only applied when the voice actors in question voice characters in a special relationship (lovers, siblings parents, what have you), not voice actors that work together by sheer coincidence. Does this qualify?
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Reality Ensues is when the realistic consequences of an action occur when one would expect the usual trope to be employed... and indeed when the characters themselves seem to behave as if the trope were employed. For example, most works have Soft Glass. If someone tries to jump through a window because they think it'll break like stunt glass and gets seriously injured (or flat out fails), then it's a case of Reality Ensues.
The important part is that it's a subversion of either the characters' or the audience's expectations. If a stock high school anime has characters suffer no meaningful consequences for violent behavior, then for one to actually depict those consequences would be unusual, and thus a valid example. If a stock high school anime has people suffering Amusing Injuries, then for one to depict serious injury in such a situation would be a valid example.
As for those Relationship Voice Actor examples... it doesn't require that the characters voiced by the actors be in a consistent relationship pattern, just that the same actors voice characters together in multiple works. Honestly the thing is so stupidly inane that I question why we even have it. At least it's in Trivia.
Edited by Fighteer on Oct 5th 2018 at 4:13:52 AM
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Wasn't there a rule that Voice Actor Relationship shouldn't be put in a work? I remember a mass deletion of it in works.
No, the other one.
Honestly, I think it'd be a good idea to limit Relationship Voice Actor to actor pages. Since the "trope" is about multiple works that aren't much more than statistics supporting it, it doesn't really belong on a work page. While it's also about multiple actors, the focus of the trope is on the actors, so it still fits well on those pages.
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Right, so if I'm correct, the potential Reality Ensues entry for Accel World counts as an example. I could be wrong.
As for the Relationship Voice Actor concerns, should we also do a cleanup thread for it on the Projects forum?
Edited by gjjones on Oct 5th 2018 at 3:55:01 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
I think that might've been for Hey Its That Voice.
Musician/Composer
Yeah, and also Hey Its That Guy.
Hello. Regarding a potential example in Accel World:
Edited by gjjones on Oct 3rd 2018 at 2:27:06 PM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.