- And Kratos, being the only deity left, has become the Jewish/christian god.
- Its also fitting to think of him as God of the old testament.
- And Yahweh started out as the Cannanite God of War
- Except Omnipotence is a key factor. Even Kratos can't do everything.
- Its also fitting to think of him as God of the old testament.
- Jossed: He's Loki's father.
Jesus sympathizes with the plight of the imprisoned knowledge-bearers and tried diplomacy and compromise with the old Order. That didn't work, and in response, Yahweh brands Jesus a heretic, and hires the Jews and Romans to crucify him. After Jesus goes through his whole resurrection deal, he goes into heaven and kills Yahweh, and tried to take over the kingdom as the Christian God of the New Testament. However, Yahweh also possessed the Resurrection ability and returns to life again and continues being God in the Medieval Era without Jesus finding out, corrupting Jesus' reputation in the process. It would be until the Renaissance where Jesus finally seals Yahweh into Tartarus for good, allowing Europe an opportunity for a rebellion against the Catholic Church.
To break the Mandate of Heaven, he takes the mantle of Prometheus/Lucifer as the Bearer of Knowledge, and becomes the new God: Science. Jesus/Science then overthrows the rest of the tyrannical corrupt Old Gods in the world. With Science being the only God left, the Universe is in risk of being consumed back by the first and most powerful Protogenoi, Chaos, who is starting to manifest itself as Entropy. Thus, Science has to spend much of his time and intellect into maintaining the universe in logical order to protect it from Chaos, and that's why he has to allow for humans to think for themselves and exercise their own capacity for science, hence the rise of Deism and Democracy.
- So the next sequels will have Jesus as a playable character. Where does Mohammed PBUH come in?
- He will appear as the star in the game that revealed him to be Jesus' half-brother.
- If THAT doesn't start a war I don't know what will. And where does Scientology come in?
- Kratos will fight Tom Cruise in a future game, also. Also, in the finale, Cthulhu eats everything.
- Belive it or not, but its perfectly possible that after the war of the titans, this might happen. In God of War 2, we see three murals in the hall of time. The first one shows something reminiscent of the first game or the first half of the second game, can't remember, while the middle mural shows the aftermath of the Titan War, Kratos standing alone. Last mural? Three men off in the desert, following a star.
- The Flying Spaghetti Monster will be the final boss.
- No, that would be the Invisible Pink Unicorn, with perhaps Celestia and Luna.
- I am now imagining a sequence wherein Jesus goes back in time to fight Moses as he parts the Red Sea. Sea monsters like mini-krakens strike out at Jesus (who wields the cross as a weapon) and he makes a pile out of their corpses to get up to the beachhead where Moses is. After some thrashing, Moses is dazed and a quick time event is triggered where Jesus smashes Moses' head against the tablets that list the Ten Commandments, and Moses turns his staff into a snake. Jesus punches him some more, then grabs the snake, wrings its head off, and ties it into a noose, hanging Moses over a rocky precipice. This will be the most awesome game of all time
- He will appear as the star in the game that revealed him to be Jesus' half-brother.
- Actually, I think if Kratos does become Old Testament God and ends up having a mortal son, he'll manage to break the Oedipus Complex cycle because as we have seen, Kratos actually cares about his family. Considering that he has nightmares about murdering his family every time he sleeps, he had a Heroic BSoD when Ares murdered replicas of them while he was helpless to stop it, he gave up all his powers just to be with Calliope in Chains of Olympus, he was begging for forgiveness from Gaia when she appeared as his wife (before she revealed it was her)in GOW 2, and that the only times he ever actually acts heroic is when it concerns his family... I find it very hard to believe he'd mistreat Jesus. It would explain why God was ready to go on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge when Jesus was crucified before Christ convinced him. In fact, I'm gonna make a big guess here and say Jesus actually manages to MAKE Kratos a Defector from Decadence and into the New Testament God we know and many love. Yeah, i know it damn well isn't likely but you have to admit it would make for one helluva Heartwarming Moment.
Similar to above, but with more flexibility. After the events in Midgard its implied Kratos, or those with blood ties to him, will each bring the downfall of the polytheism. In an easy-to-miss comment, the talking head mentions a ‘vast desert, with many gods.’ This is implied to be Egypt / sequel hook. Kratos already wiped out the Greek gods. The body count for the Norse religion is rising, and heavily implied Kratos and son are going to bring about Ragnarok. The Egyptian gods are now cannon, and considering the ongoing theme, they’re going to be next for one reason or another.
We never once see the god of light in the entirity of the 6 installments, yet his treasures are relevant in both GOW 3 and Ascension, particularly the latter where it's pretty much framed as him being opposed to the Furies, as the most sacred locations and symbols of the god are used by Kratos against them.
Considering that, I think that he's pretty much incorporeal or otherwise "above" the other gods, which explains why the hell he isn't anywhere and how he helps Kratos in the latest prequel. That purple light on his statue? Probably him.
- In the God of War I novelization by Robert E. Vardeman, Athena mentions Apollo as if here just another Olympian, so this theory is probably false.
- Though none of them are shown, except for Athena (I believe Zeus's spirit form was just a trick), I have a feeling that all the gods really do becomes ghosts when they die. Think of it this way, what are the properties of those ghost-like forms? They have the ability to teleport (Or at least be invisible), they cannot fully interact with the physical world (In this case, Athena could've just teleported into the labyrinth and taken Pandora out herself), they're most likely invisible to humans (Judging from how they look. Only Pandora and Kratos interact with them and both aren't normal humans), and they have the ability to bestow small miracles upon people (Give Kratos his new weapons, stop him from touching the flames). To me, these properties seems like what later people view gods as, all-seeing since they can be anywhere, bestowing small miracles, and invisible to us. They're no longer physical beings on earth as the Greek Gods were. I'm guessing all the gods becames ghosts but none bothered following Kratos since they couldn't do anything to harm him. The only contradiction to this is Athena pulling the blade of olympus from Kratos and flying off with it in hand.
- Since gods are supernatural representations of concepts both physical and abstract, it makes sense that they'd be ghost like at least at some point. Their current physical forms in the games are just flesh-suits.
- because Kratos dumped her. Him and Athena were pretty close, and were possibly lovers once, however when Kratos met his future wife he left Athena who got very mad at him and caused Kratos' army to lose the war against the barbarians (she is the goddess of war) and Kratos gave his soul to Ares, who tricked him into killing his wife and child which was an act of revenge by Athena. She also punished Kratos worse by stripping him of his humanity and making him lose everything he had, setting the events of the first game and the second. In the end she wanted the Blade of Olympus to take control of the world so she can truly punish him, but he adverted it by killing himself, which spoiled her plans of making him suffer for a thousand infinities of mind destroying torture in the worst ways inconcievable.
- And his signature weapon is a chain-axe. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
- Nah, you got it all wrong. Kratos is Immortal God Emperor of Mankind.
- Hmm, that explains why the emperor is an atheist. I'd be an atheist too if I slaughtered the gods.
- But how would you not believe in something you killed by your own hands?
- Because he killed them?
- Athiest in the sense that he is damn sure that God is Dead.
- Hmm, that explains why the emperor is an atheist. I'd be an atheist too if I slaughtered the gods.
- Honestly, I think that Khorne is the one who revives Kratos at the end of 'III. Maybe he becomes Doombreed? After all, if there's a God who can tame Kratos, it would be Khorne.
- Everybody ELSE tends to be ridiculously evil. Plus, she is constantly directing Kratos to kill Zeus, and something about her motives just doesn't read true. AND the Titans are not exactly the nicest in the world...
- Actually, compared to The Olympians, espescially Zeus (which any student of Classical Mythology will tell you isn't far off) and Kratos himself, they kind of are.
- I've always suspected Gaia was manipulating Kratos. Particuarly when he loses the will to fight after fatally wounded the last Spartan (during the Kraken fight). Check it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFkpdpIHhtU&feature=related, the scene in question starts at 6:28, at 8:02 she sounds very sinister, not to mention she takes the form of his wife. Now that I think about it, if true there would be a very powerful parallel/foreshawdowing. When Zeus gives the Blade of Olympus, Kratos asks why Zeus aids him now. Zeus says "it" is for the good of Olympus. Later in the game (and not much later) as Gaia is giving exposition, Kratos again queries why he is being helped.
- Think about it for a moment. Kratos could have used the Loom Of The Fates to go further back in time and save his wife and daughter. But, as established at the beginning of the game, he's a schmuck and Gaia conveniently neglects to mention any uses of The Loom that don't involve Zeus' death.
- Rookie time travel mistake. Saving his family in the past would deter him from seeking the sisters of faith in the first place ergo he would not be able to go back in time to save them. The game makers seem to adhere to this rule of time travel. Altering the past will retroactively effect the future (think of the sisters of fate trying to destroy the blade of the gods before Kratos can use it on Aries. So Kratos must use time travel wisely. See the next WMG
- Alright...then in the same vein of rescuing his wife and daughter, why didn't he just ask for that as his boon for helping the gods? It's a common enough plot in Greek mythology. Instead, he demands that the gods make him stop feeling guilty. And during all those trips to Hades, did he not once think to try and save them himself, with or without the will of the gods?
- It's not WMG anymore, it's the pure truth
- Think about it for a moment. Kratos could have used the Loom Of The Fates to go further back in time and save his wife and daughter. But, as established at the beginning of the game, he's a schmuck and Gaia conveniently neglects to mention any uses of The Loom that don't involve Zeus' death.
- So what we have here is a Stable Time Loop. I'd like to add that, additionally, even the Sisters of Fate themselves don't have the power to change it. They believe they do, as evidenced by Atropos attempting to destroy the sword that killed Ares in the past, but it's probably never had to be tested before. The fact that she failed to do so suggests that she was wrong about having that ability. It's also the only way Kratos killing the Sisters of Fate makes any sense at all; the Sisters themselves are unable to defy their own destinies, and destiny commands they die there.
- Tying into the above WMG, it follows the pattern of Kratos' life. Betrayed by boss -> someone else helps him kill said boss -> new boss betrays him -> and so on. And it would be badass. Every Titan fight would be like the last Colossus from Shadow of the Colossus.
- God of War IV, V and VI confirmed?
- Sadly, we can't WMG about that, as multiple people have confirmed that this will be the end. You can say that no company has ever stopped a wildly successful and beloved series at its peak before, but when was the last time we saw Legend of Dragoon, Medievil and Pa Rappa the Rapper?
- None of those were a "wildly successful and beloved series at its peak". Legend Of Dragoon was one game. Medievil and Pa Rappa each had two games, unless I'm mistaken, and while they were good, they weren't quite as lofty as you described them (if they were, they'd have made more games).
- It's not WMG anymore, it's the pure truth.
- God of War IV, V and VI confirmed?
- Maybe Kratos kills Morpheus after chains of olympus but before the main trilogy
- Or we finally fight him in God of War III.
- Not in God of War III, but still a chance to fight him in Ghost of Sparta.
- Confirmed, but in a different way. Killing Helios eliminates sunlight from the world.
- Killing Morpheus, the shaper of dreams, should free Kratos from the nightmares of his past.
- I'm gonna expand on this and connect it with the top theory that Kratos becomes God. Indeed, Zeus (or Hades, he does rule the Underworld after all) gives Kratos' brother the chance for revenge. Since the guy looks like a badass demon in the secret ending, we'll presume he can actually give his big bro a fight. Naturally Kratos doesn't want to fight him but he doesn't have much of choice. After an emotional and memorable boss battle, Kratos bests his brother but spares him before continuing to ransack Olympus. Naturally this only makes his brother hate him more, and when the war leaves the Olympians and (likely) Titans dead, Kratos the only deity left, his brother will rise up as The Rival and continue to battle him. So if Kratos becomes God, that means his brother becomes... Satan! (Again, just watch the secret ending and notice how much his brother looks like a devil.)
- Jossed. In Ghost of Sparta, Kratos goes to find his brother, Deimos, who is imprisoned in Thanatos' (Death, not Hades') domain after being incorrectly identified as the destroyer of Olympus. Many gods oppose Kratos' quest to find his brother along the way, such as Athena, Poseidon, and Zeus (indirectly). When Kratos frees his brother, Deimos does indeed try to kill him out of revenge for letting him be taken away by Ares to rot in Thanatos' domain, when they were children, but the brothers make up after Kratos saves Deimos from falling from a cliff. Thanatos kills Deimos in the ensuing battle, and Kratos is once more without a family.
Kratos stabs himself with his own sword to suicide and give hope to the world, and The Stinger paves the way to Epileptic Trees about wheter he really died. Lelouch dies by assisted suicide by letting himself get stabbed by his own sword to give hope to the world, and the ending paves the way to Epileptic Trees about wheter he really died... until Word of Zeus came.
- Except that Kratos can shake buildings down, lift innumerable times his own body weight, break necks with a flick of his wrists, and combat roll indefinitely. Lelouch can barely climb stairs without getting winded.
- One part got all the 'brains', the other got all the 'muscle'?
- Or in a DLC.
- Or it gets destroyed in Ghost of Sparta for PSP, which is a midquel.
- Confirmed. Atlantis is destroyed in Ghost of Sparta
- Its a far fetched possibility, but it sounds plausible. Athena was the goddess of tactical warfare, and in Go W 3 her insight had transcended even that of the olympians. She wasnt bound to pandora's curse as by then she technically wasn't a goddess any longer.
- It would explain why she broke her nice act when Kratos released the power of Hope instead of giving it to her, all her years of planing went down the drain in a second. There also the fact that she was the one that picked Kratos to fight Ares.
- In Saint Seiya, only a handful of gods are shown, and of them only one, Hades, still has a body that is naturally his, and being the god of the dead and remover of souls his hulking form we see in the games is one he acquired some other way. Athena and Poseidon must resort to reincarnation instead, seeing as how Kratos killed their physical bodies. The Saints of Athena, and in fact all mortals in question, are forbidden to wield weaponry with only a few exceptions, possibly due to the last time someone without much self-control was given weapons by the gods.
- ...Which makes no sense, seeing as Hades got whacked, his body dumped into the River Styx and his soul was, you know, ABSORBED.
- Alternatively, he is an agent of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. His chains are a representation of His Noodly Appendage.
- While this theory is nearly dead, it should be noted that the... thing Athena turned into in the third game does not make any sense. Gods who die with their power intact are effectively Deader than Dead; every resurrection in the franchise requires the target to be significantly weaker than a full god, and Athena exploded with the force of a nuke like her brother, signifying what should have been her permadeath. Her agenda as a spirit does not fit her agenda as a goddess. In fact, her personality - her support and goading of Kratos' talents at genocide, a façade of kindness around children she wants to manipulate, and an outburst of temper when she can't control Kratos at the very end - is disturbingly familiar...
- It's possible that Kratos is responsible for the Olympians being as weak as they are due to belief, in a lot of stories about Greek Gods, they tend to be a case of Gods Need Prayer Badly, with Kratos going around actively defying the Gods, and killing their most prominent worshippers in his rampage (such as the destruction of Atlantis, Poseidon's patron city) it isn't that the Gods are overestimating themselves, it's that he has accidentally weakened them throughout the years, with a combination of most of their worshippers dead and that the few that remain are questioning their faith due to Kratos still existing, they don't have as much power as they once had.
- The Norse Saga reveals that while gods are generally stronger than any mortal can be, they all have one consistent glaring weakness: Power makes a god predictable. The reason why all those prophecies related to gods and demigods are so scarily accurate is because the number of potential outcomes where a god doesn't make a specific choice based on their specific personality is close to zero. Few prophecies bind mortals. Once the world's prostrating convinces a god that they are unstoppable, they will stop improving. This is both why Odin is revealed to be even stronger than the entire Greek pantheon combined, yet more doomed than they were; his sociopathic paranoia ensured he'd never stop improving, preparing, and stockpiling, yet at the same time, it also prevented him from trusting anyone or even caring about their lives. By the end, his other eight neighbors have banded together and started the apocalypse just to end one genocidal maniac, and true to his nature, he's still unaware that he could have avoided this if he didn't consistently backstab and slaughter everyone.
- Another proof? Well...what about the fact that both are enough badass to be killed, but still being able to come back 10 minutes later?
- Then there is the fact of the above when people said that Kratos would start Christianity and all that, maybe Dante and Jesus are related?
- fighting the Persian gods?
- I always thought that it showed Kratos throwing himself off the cliff, bringing the series in a full circle.
- Confirmed. Kratos states that he is in fact a god... much to his own dismay.
- Bullshit. The Greek Gods were pushovers, sure, but the Norse Gods are badass and somewhat less dickish. And if such a thing ever happens, the soundtrack better be Viking Metal.
- The greek gods were push overs? People who starts wars for shits and giggles, make hurricanes by being in a pissy mood, curse their own children and worshipers to terrible fates for minor disrespect, and incinerate mortals by EXISTING near them were PUSHOVERS to you?
- Actually, the Aesir relied on magic apples to keep their youth. They CAN be killed relatively easily, see Ragnarok (and Baldur earlier on). Barring de-powering, Kratos would be able to take them on easily after the Greek gods.
- Well, that part's jossed. The Aesir are exceptionally tough opponents, and Baldur is able to repeatedly fight Kratos to a standstill.
- Half-confirmed. Kratos kills some Norse gods- Magni, Baldur, and Heimdall- but he's mellowed out on the genocide and befriends others, and Sindri is the one who gets the ultimate kill on Odin.
- The greek gods were push overs? People who starts wars for shits and giggles, make hurricanes by being in a pissy mood, curse their own children and worshipers to terrible fates for minor disrespect, and incinerate mortals by EXISTING near them were PUSHOVERS to you?
- Kratos killed himself at the end of GOW 3 so he can be reunited with his family in the Asyilum Fields (If it still exists, that is.)
- I'm pretty sure you mean "Elysian Fields", because Asylums still did not exist.
- Probably jossed, depending on how one counts the spectre/hallucination of Athena. She still doesn't have anything to do with the plot.
- All of the games take place in the head of a death metal singer (You gotta admit, he has the right rage, screaming power, and appearance for one) writing a concept album about Greek mythology (vikings became passe, or something) with a character loosely based on himself as the protagonist. As he starts feeling more and more insecure about his real life (perhaps real events mimicking the events of the games), Kratos becomes more and more powerful to compensate.
- Similar to the Dante connection mentioned above, it could be possible that one of the two girls he had a threesome with gave birth to a child who was part man, part god, and over the thirty-eight thousand or so years they managed to keep the lineage together until finally the infant Titus was born in the 41st Millennium. Though his base abilities are nowhere near as great as his forefather (which can be explained that the higher up the tree you go, the less and less godliness you get) with the help of the Emperor's Space Marine program he gets back some of the God of War that he has had in his blood. This could also explain his resistance to the warp because of his divine lineage.
- Oh my Great Old Ones, MAKE THIS HAPPEN SONY!
- Killing the Gods would undo all of their work, as we've seen, so let's say the Titans were not the only war the Gods had. They had one with the mythos gods at some point and couldn't kill them either. So like the Titans, trapped them. With the Gods no longer in power, nature wasn't the only thing thrown out of balance. Now the Old ones are free....Kratos has to put them back in their cages and move the stars to do it.
- But the grave digger was really Zeus, so this is unlikely.
- Completely Jossed, the reveal of the new installment reveals that he is indeed alive.
The possibility also exists that SHE was the one who orchestrated for Calliope and Lysandra to be in that temple, so Kratos would kill them under Ares' influence. After all, it was Athena's temple, and Kratos thought he left his daughter and wife in Sparta. This will most likely be what the final God of War game's purpose will be: learning of Athena's manipulations.
- Or maybe when she put Hope into the box, it forced Greed out to make room and she'd been infected and trying to regain her power since? Either way, it's pretty unusual for a goddess to not be upset at someone defiling her temple, but Kratos gets off scot-free for it. She was with Ares when he came of the other Marked Warrior, Deimos, because she was in on his scheme. Between then and the first game, there was a falling out between the siblings, if Ares's death wasn't her plan all along. Her repeated attempts to restrain and calm Kratos over the course of the series are absolutely pathetic - unless she had been using reverse psychology to drive him to rage and madness the whole time. Jerking his chain for ten years while sending him repeatedly against the fiercest foes in the world - how better to mold a warrior to kill the gods?
- It this, he's assisted by two other angels who bail him out after each fight until he is an Exalted (a name I made up for a type of god). Sometime between one of the losses, the power of love or adoration or whatever is discovered that made him an Exalted. Then Kratos doesn't win after being given a chance to not continue and find release.
So the theory is that the son is Loki and his mother is Laufeywho, contrary to Marvel's interpretation, is Loki's mother in actual Norse mythology.
So in other words, Kratos hooked up with a Jotunn, which isn't too far-fetched since everyone was having kids with everyone in Norse myth (just like in Greek myth) and gods having relations with Jotunn isn't uncommon.
The other thing, the only elemental power we see in the demo is ice, via Kratos's axe. It could be postulated then that the axe is Jotunn related.
So basically, Kratos has a kid. Kid gets kidnapped at the end of the game (and Kratos "dies") while kid gets adopted by Odin. Interestingly enough, the Norse pantheon has two gods of war. While Tyr is nominally the god of war, Odin himself is also considered the god of war as well.
- Why would Odin adopt his foster brother?
- This apple didn't fall too far from its tree. Theory confirmed. On the other hand, Odin doesn't get to adopt Atreus- though it's pretty clear in hindsight that he's angling to make himself a replacement father figure.
Why would Kratos be gaining those skills when his son is doing all the work? He isn't. His son is the one gaining skill and what we're seeing during the demo is a prologue/tutorial for what will be the main game. Said prologue could end with Kratos being killed by the Norse gods, thereby giving the rather gentle boy who cannot even bring himself to kill a deer a motive for revenge against the gods. The game proper begins years later with Kratos' son as a full-grown man, hell-bent on revenge for the death of his father.
- I agree as well. I have a feeling Kratos is not really the protagonist but his son. If i have to guess how the story goes, it goes something like this: After somehow surviving the events of God of War 3, Kratos left Greece and went to the land of the Vikings where he married a local woman and had a son with her. After his wife's death, Kratos tries to raise his son right, not wishing for his son to become just him as he realized after he got older how much of a jerk he was. And some point of the game, Kratos dies and the Norse Gods, who normally allow warriors like Kratos to Valhalla, refuses to allow him entry as they cannot forgive him for not only killing most of the Greek Gods but also almost ending world. Not wishing for his father to be sent to Hel for his past sins, Kratos son makes a deal with Odin that in exchange for his father to got to Valhalla, he has to do some major quests for Odin and the others. And Kratos son, like his father, has sex with lots of women including elves, Valkyries and even Goddesses.
- Extremely Jossed.
- In general, things will be alluded to (A Caananite Deity becoming more prominent, weird shit happening around the Nile, et cetera) or be happening in the background, but Christianity will never directly be the center of the plot.
This would also factor into the gods' ego; by lowering the seas, they technically increased the height of Mount Olympus from sea level. By ensuring that their deaths would spell an age of apocalyptic ruin because of the balancing floods, they preened themselves as 'eternal unsung saviors' of a long-term problem they created. And of course, they could easily pressure mortals without exerting excess power by outright loosening their grip on the sea suppression magics and make a few coastal capitals suffer.
Yes, Mimir's story is probably true, and it is in character for Odin to lie about something that meaningless, but that doesn't mean he has to be lying that specific time. Tyr proves that gods can regrow lost body parts, and if he's resourceful enough to do it, then Odin probably is too. So, the order of events goes something like this:
- Odin gets duped by Mimir and tears out one eye.
- Odin regenerates that eye.
- Odin decides it's a good idea to take a peek into the rift with said renewed eye, potentially getting overconfident because he regrew it the first time.
- The magic of the rift burns out Odin's eye, this time beyond his ability to heal.