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01:38:58 PM Apr 10th 2014
Moving to Jerkass Woobie (if he's not already listed) without the natter:

  • Lemongrab. He's a jerk, (and really annoying,) but he's absolutely pathetic, in his social awkwardness, Mommy Issues, constant anxiety, Friendless Background, and perpetual unhappiness. For some people, it's impossible to watch an episode with Lemongrab in it and not want to give him a hug or say something nice to him.

Moving to animated film page discussion

PPPSSC
02:17:04 PM Apr 10th 2014
edited by 76.104.197.14
I saw two examples under My Gym Partner's a Monkey:

  • Henry has his moments too.
  • Cyrus Hornbill also has shades of this.

And one under Top Cat

With almost no context. The reason I put them on the discussion rather than just commenting them out is because the first two use words that make me think they were really supposed to be Tear Jerker examples and not The Woobie examples, while the third has that problem and is a zero context Jerkass Woobie example.

Leaving SpongeBob up for now, for the same reason as Pinky before, but:

  • Patrick, too. He's unemployed, not very bright, and it's implied that Spongebob is his only real friend because no one else will put up with him.

Patrick is not a woobie. He hardly ever suffers, when he does his suffering is usually either his own fault or deserved (or both), he almost never cares even when he does suffer, and in general the audience does not find him terribly sympathetic. Also, of the three pieces of context listed, Patrick likes the first one, doesn't mind the third, and the second has nothing to do with the trope.

  • Squidward. He's constantly miserable because his two idiot neighbors annoy the living crap out of him on a regular basis.

Squidward is still a Jerkass Woobie and still doesn't belong on this page for that reason. He is on that page.

Moving to the animated film page (unless he's already listed):

doublej
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05:52:16 AM Feb 2nd 2014
Would Spike from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic count as a woobie?
SeptimusHeap
06:41:16 AM Feb 2nd 2014
Why should he count? Context is everything.
PPPSSC
09:34:55 AM Feb 2nd 2014
If he does, he would go on this page. But remember, a few bad days doesn't make a regular series character a woobie.
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02:44:01 PM Sep 7th 2013
  • Daria would be this if she didn't have such good coping mechanisms.
    • Tom Sloane himself can be seen as this, agree to an alternative interpretation. Note that many think that Daria never appreciated him at all, and he seemed to get a genuine kick out in crawl in her, for love.
    • The best fit from Daria is Stacy. Despite being one of the minor characters, she's a perfect fit for this trope. Especially noticeable during the episode Fat Like Me.
    • Daria himself is this sometimes, specially in the episode "Boxing Daria".

Missed this one earlier. Pulling because:
  1. The first example looks like an aversion.
  2. The second example looks like it could be an example, but I honestly have no idea what it's trying to say. Needs to be rewritten by someone who knows the show.
  3. The third example is a Zero-Context Example that's full of redundant Word Cruft. (There doesn't seem to be a page for "Episode Citations Are Not Examples" but there should be.)
  4. The fourth example has the problems of the second two and looks like it's talking about the same character as the first one.
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09:30:41 PM Jun 3rd 2013

This kind of looks like a film example and it kind of looks like a non-example. Also, this page is in alphabetical order. Fixed formatting so that it would be properly written in case someone decides to add it back with reasons.
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12:05:15 PM May 23rd 2013
  • Stimpy is like this at times, particularly in The Littlest Giant and Son of Stimpy.

This example doesn't provide necessary context. Also, it's written as if it's a situation trope not a character trope. Reminder that infrequent situations belong in Tear Jerker if anything.
youfeelingluckypunk27
05:15:14 AM Sep 17th 2013
Sorry.
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10:50:03 PM May 21st 2013
Left this on the page but I'm not sure about it:

  • Pinky from Pinky and the Brain. Despite his cheerful personaity, he undergoes Break the Cutie quite a bit. In the Christmas episode, Brain makes him cry and he's also broken down in tears of pain during the Halloween Special, The Pink Candidate, That Smarts, Inherit The Wheeze, The Family That Poits Together Narfs Together and Operation Sea Lion to name a few episodes. Who wouldn't want to hug him after all the heartache he's been put through?

While I do appreciate that these episodes are acknowledged as "to name a few", I'm not really sure this is enough to justify woobie status. I'm leaving it up for now, since if this happens enough he could count, but I feel like this needs more context as opposed to citations.
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02:07:37 PM Apr 27th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.4

This is a Zero-Context Example, and the coverage of "pretty much every single protagonist" is questionable, especially since "has her Jerkass Woobie moments" is here, making it sound like it's using Woobie as a situation trope. If you know the show and know enough context to make at least one of the examples clearly based on frequent and/or continuous suffering rather than one-off Tear Jerkers, feel free to put those back.

Also, keep in mind this subpage is in alphabetical order.
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08:56:00 AM Mar 10th 2013
edited by PPPSSC
First of all: Do not be alarmed I pulled the entire DAC section and other movie examples. The reason I pulled it is because those examples actually belong on the film page. There were only a few non-examples and some other errors I will put up for discussion on the film page's discussion.

Now onto business:

This is a Zero-Context Example and seems questionable. Expand it if you know how, otherwise, leave it off.

  • But one of the worst offenders is the Christmas Episode (doubles as the Wham Episode of the series) (Nickelodeon). It starts when his dog, Porkchop, is taken away for being accused of attacking Beebe, and the pound is thinking of putting the poor dog down. Then Doug has a flashback of when he got Porkchop for Christmas when he was little, and when Porkchop gave him his journal for Christmas the previous year prior to the episode, and then imagines no longer having Porkchop, and then he starts crying. Sure, there's a happy ending, but still...
    • Which also makes Porkchop a woobie in the episode.
  • The robot from Dougs First Movie.

Doug seemed to be a decent example, but I'd like to remind people that the woobie is a character trope, not a situation trope. People are not "the woobie in one episode." The robot is a Zero-Context Example. Also I question the wisdom of having a lengthy paragraph describing all the bad things that happened in one episode. Doug may well deserve a longer entry, but as it stands now, it should be expanded differently.

  • Nazz in The Big Picture Show after having the worst hair day ever from one of the Eds' scams.
  • Rolf in Wish You Were Ed. He wanted to go back home so bad...
  • May Kanker in the Valentine's special...
  • Jonny has shades of this in "Dear Ed" when he and Plank aren't friends and he misses plank.
  • Sarah, of all people was a woobie in the episode "For Your Ed Only" when she finds her room destroyed and she's genuinely sad.

Again, the woobie is a character trope not a situation trope. "I felt sorry for them in one episode" does not a woobie make. If it did, Goof Troop would have at least six examples (it only has one for a reason). Eddy is an exception because the circumstances were implied to have been going on for a long time but none of these, except maybe Jonny, qualify (and even he would require better context.)

  • In a song where everyone sings what they want for Christmas, Meg wishes for a non-alcoholic father and for softer voices in her head - while curled up, rocking back and forth on the floor of her closet. Her most "normal" wish is for a car - which she was supposed to get, twice. The first time was a bribe from her dad that he went back on (admittedly because she cracked and couldn't keep her end of the deal), and the second time Peter spent her car money on a tank. Meg has, at least twice, spoken openly about cutting herself, and several more times has alluded to it. And the few times someone in her family does act nice to her, it backfires, horribly. Then there's the time she snapped after going to prison and Lois' line - paraphrased, "Let's all go together to pick Meg up, I'm sure it would mean the world to her to see all our faces again" - implies that her family never went to visit her while she was locked up. I want to hug her, then drag her to therapy.

This is always dangerous territory for true examples especially from Long Runners. I believe Meg's description should be longer, but the way to make it longer is to rewrite it in "summary style." I don't watch Family Guy much so I can't do it myself, but if someone else wants to, they can. Look at PJ from Goof Troop for the kind of thing I mean by "summary style."

  • What about that little green dude (forgot his name at the moment) The one who was nearly microscopic size, and spends the whole episode tying to navigate through the house to let everyone else (who was then locked outside) in. Everyone outside then proceed to DESTROY THE HOUSE AROUND HIM, and then find a ridiculously simple way to get in ON THEIR OWN!
    • You mean Peas? YMMV on him, he is considered to be a Scrappy by many people.
  • What about poor Edwardo? He's afraid of everything, cries at a drop of a hat, and all he every wanted was a puppy and Mr. Harriman denies him.
    • YMMV, the crying at the drop of a hat could be considered annoying to some.

Waaay too much of an argument going on for two examples that are borderline at best. I haven't seen Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends in a while, so there may be other examples listed that don't really count, but these were the ones I felt okay to remove.

  • It's revealed in "Bender's Big Score" that a time duplicate of Fry lived above Panucci's Pizza from 2000 - 2012, so Seymour was not alone. In fact, when he does die, it's about a minute after Fry's greeted him.
  • After Fry spent several years away, looking for Leelu, That kind of makes him even more of a Woobie. his final thoughts where probably of Fry and playing in the park.

Natter. If there is something salvageable for Seymour's entry, feel free to add it back in. Otherwise, leave it.

Of the shows I felt comfortable editing parts of, I also fixed Example Indentation and other formatting errors.
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10:11:24 AM Mar 10th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.4
Part II of the cleanup:

This is a non-example that relies on Alternative Character Interpretation. It doesn't belong period.

Grim is a Zero-Context Example. Nergal Junior sounds like a non-example.

Zero-Context Example.

  • Henry from KaBlam! sure is one. Everyone, even his best friend June (who seems to have a crush on him) is constantly beating him up or just being mean to him. Though sometimes June might feel sorry for what she's been doing and cheer him up.
    • June temporarily becomes one in Won't Stick to Most Dental Work!, when she's away from Henry. And A Nut in Every Bite!. Henry falls for Dawn (and this episode's supposed to come after episode 29, when H&J kiss), and you can kinda sense that June is pretty heartbroken.

Again, character trope not situation trope. I know I sound like a broken record by now but this seems to be the most common error in editing these pages. Henry as an example is questionable, since the violence on that show was generally not played as misery-inducing as far as I can recall.

  • Bugs Bunny, considering he deals with people like Daffy and Lola on a daily basis.

Bugs Bunny is not a woobie. He has too much power to be a woobie.

  • Courage the Cowardly Dog coincidentally suffers the same as Flapjack, he is also the most friendly and optimistic character on his show and he also lives in a Crapsack World and one of the only characters who respect him is Muriel, whom he always has to save almost every episode.

This example could be right, but it needs to be rewritten so it doesn't refer to a completely unrelated show and put in the right place.

Character trope not situation trope.

  • Bubbles from the Powerpuff Girls certainly counts as a Woobie.
    • YMMV, but Buttercup may also count. Her sisters were named for their personalities, she was named Buttercup because "It also begins with a B!" and she her special power is to Curl her tongue.

Zero-Context Example. Examples Are Not Arguable.

  • Gus from Recess, and when the plot calls for it, T.J. can be one at times, escpecially in the first part of the movie.

Zero-Context Example.

  • Pepper Ann, Nicky, and Milo are sort of woobies, with PA trying to be cool but almost always failing, not to mention having Amicably Divorced parents, Milo having to deal with a girl who Switchies between liking him and not liking him and Nicky being the Un Favourite due to everyone favoriting her sister over her.
    • At least they have each other (awww).

Only Nicky sounds woobie-like at all. Others are standard everyday problems that don't cause audience sympathy to any significant degree.

  • Also Candace. Though one feels a bit annoyed by how determined she is to get her brothers in trouble, you can't help but feel sorry for how dang hard she has to try at it. And let's not forget "Nerds of A Feather"
  • This is an odd one, but Buford, at least in the episode "Voyage to the Bottom of Buford." I mean, just watch that song. He's so lonely he's trying to play Ping-Pong with a goldfish. It's probably a good thing he starts hanging around with Phineas and Ferb more after that episode.
  • Isabella could count too. Especially in "Summer Belongs To You", where she sings an entire song about her love for Phineas....but he doesn't notice her.
  • This one may sound weird but...Irving. After seeing how his Brother Treats him, is it no wonder he turned into a obsessive fanboy?
  • Phineas. 99% of the time, he's an excitable, optimistic bundle of joy, but when he breaks? He really breaks.
  • Even Ferb has had his fair share of Stoic Woobie moments. Two prominent examples would be the end of The Beak (It's Played for Laughs, but you can still feel bad for the poor guy), and his Eiffel tower scene in Summer Belongs to You. And the saddest thing is, no matter what happens to him, he never complains, at least not prominantly, and always acts as if everything is just cool with him.

Plenty of non-examples and questionable examples. People who are generally well-off and happy are not the woobie. I feel sorry for them in one episode does not make them the woobie. Irving of these is the only one that sounds like it could make sense but needs more context.

  • Ralph Wiggum. In the two episodes that really featured him ("I Love Lisa" and "This Little Wiggy") he was dumped and humiliated on live TV in the first one, and ruthlessly exploited for his dad's skeleton key in the second one (and terrified as a result). Flanderization has also turned him from sort of a younger version of Homer in earlier episodes (with some hidden acting talent) into the mental three-year-old that he is today, which also makes you pity him in a sort of meta sense (almost like watching someone with Alzheimer's).
  • There's also Marge, who has to put up with a Jerkass husband and a misbehaving son.
  • Ned Flanders also counts. His wife died and he has to live next to Homer, one of the biggest Jerkasses in Springfield. His house was demolished in Hurricane Neddy and his collection of Beatles merchandise and suits were ravaged by Bart. This guy's got it pretty rough, even if he is a Take That at Fundamentalists.

Ralph is almost always well-off and happy; he's not the woobie. Marge is in power; she's not the woobie. Ned Flanders might be the woobie (though if anything he's probably an Iron Woobie) but again, discretely cited episodes are not very reassuring. Needs better context.

  • Murdoc had a bit of this in his pre-teen days. His father forced him to participate in embarrassing talent contests for money. His brother broke his nose twice for using his (the brother's) record player without permission. Murdoc claims to have hit puberty at eight and lost his virginity at nine, and while he's an Unreliable Narrator at best, he'd also probably have no problem with mentioning something like that for pure shock value, so it's horribly possible that he's not lying. However, he was a thoroughly horrible child, just as he's a thoroughly horrible adult, so maybe he fitted Jerkwad Woobie better.

Moving this to Jerkass Woobie unless it's already there.

  • Poor, poor Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, as we get to see in Epic Mickey. Wanna know why? First, he was abandoned by his own father over a budget dispute with Charles Mintz, and when Walter Lantz took over the cartoons, Walt openly approved of Lantz using Ozzie. And it only got worse when Oswald's half-brother Mickey Mouse usurped his original popularity, which, coupled with Lantz's change of the character, as well as the gradual rise of Screwy Squirrel characters over cute funny animals in the early 1940s (including Universal's own new character, Woody Woodpecker) sent Oswald to his grave in 1943, after limping by for the last several years. You would think that in the world for forgotten Disney characters, he would have finally gotten the happy ending he deserved. But nope, things got even WORSE for him — said half-brother just happened to accidently spill a jug of paint thinner onto Yensid's world, which would up ruining the whole place by turning it into a savage wasteland, as well as unleashing the Shadow Blot upon the place, which would lead the entire world into even more mayhem and ruin, forcing Oswald and any remaining resistance underground—the lowest point of his life would be seeing his own wife, Ortensia the Cat, frozen into stone, the experience eventually degenerating him into a distrusting, bitter Anti-Villain. And on top of that, he's manipulated by the Blot into becoming jealous and hateful of Mickey so he can be used to its advantage. That said, he DOES finally get his happy ending when Wasteland is restored and he finally bonds with Mickey. Things are getting better for him in Real Life as well. In 2004, Japan had a gigantic craving for rabbit and toy companies began churning out Oswald plushies which were insanely popular. Not to mention in 2006, Disney literally traded a human being (sports caster Al Michaels) to NBC in exchange for Oswald, showing that they still truly care for him and that they want him to return home.
    • And if you haven't yet cried for Oswald after hearing his story, try watching this and see if you can keep a dry eye.

This is an odd situation. I feel uncomfortable pulling the whole thing for a rewrite because it currently provides both the page quote and image (which is serious Fan Myopia that should be fixed somehow anyway). But this description is way, way too long for someone who's basically only a woobie on a meta-level and in one game. I already trimmed some Word Cruft. Someone who knows Oswald better can trim or compress more.
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10:45:31 AM Mar 10th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.4
Part III of the cleanup. First things first, round of applause for the South Park section. Burying work name in character name and bad example indentation aside, every single character listed I buy as a woobie. Even if Butters is far above and beyond the others, I can easily see all of the others over the line.

Now...

  • Aang, of Avatar: The Last Airbender . Hey, how'd you enjoy that nap in the iceberg? Oh, by the way, everyone you ever knew is dead. And they didn't die peaceably of old age, they were all horribly killed.
    • Appa for most of season 2, going by "Appa's Lost Days" at least.
      • Averted big-time with Toph. You'd think being small, blind and a runaway who felt deprived of her parents' love and support is instant woobie, just add tears. But the writers instead chose to focus on her being a Cute Bruiser Little Miss Snarker.
        • It's to the point that it's poked at when she tries to tell her life story melodramatically to Zuko after the others had been able to spend the time to get to know him. Doesn't really work out, so she just keeps on kicking ass immediately afterward.
    • Zuko. The poor guy has been The Unfavorite since the day his mother dissapeared protecting him, subjected to mind games by his sociopath of a sister growing up, got half of his face burned off and banished by his own father for speaking out of turn, and then got sent to find the Avatar, who, by the way, hadn't been seen for one hundred years. And then goes through hell trying to catch him when he turns up. I think this kid needs a hug.
    • Post-Villainous Breakdown Azula. Seriously, the creators somehow managed to turn her from the evil, scary, indisputable chessmaster and Magnificent Bastard to the heart-wrenching woobie in the course of oh, I don't know, thirty minutes? See also Jerkass Woobie.
    • On a slightly more humorous note, what about the Birthday Guy from the finale? Just check out his sad face after he gets dumped out of the airship and into the water. On his birthday.
      • Oh, you know that captain guy who's probably an ass? Yeah, he's throwing you a party. Except he's not your captain. And also there's no party. Also get off the ship alright bye.
    • Sokka and Katara. They lost their mom when they were small children, and for two years they had to be the sole providers for their village when their Dad and all the other men in their Tribe go off to fight in the war, Katara's not allowed to be taught by the only Waterbending master they've found because she's a girl, Sokka's love interest dies in his arms, Katara was forced to bloodbend to save Aang and Sokka, Sokka almost loses Toph during the final battle, and almost dies himself. These two seriously need a hug.
      • So basically everyone who's ever served as a main character in Avatar is a Woobie.
    • How did we forget about Cabbage Guy? Jeez...

I'm not pulling this because I don't think there are any examples here, but because most of the examples seem questionable and some belong on Jerkass Woobie instead (which are already there, I checked.) If someone who knows the show better than I do wants to put them back on, go ahead, but please add more or better context. Also, aversions and redundant generalized statements don't belong.

Scratchensniff is not really a woobie from what I can recall. If he is, he needs better context anyway.

  • Squidward and Plankton from Sponge Bob Square Pants. The latter mainly due to recent characterization; he was always an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain but he really enjoyed being evil. Now he just wants one customer and some success, even by honest means, and constantly winds up failing and sobbing while Mr. Krabs laughs at him.
    • Spongebob in some episodes (specially in the first season). Even SQUIDWARD feels sorry for him on certain ocassions.

Spongebob is almost always well-off and happy. He's not the woobie; he has isolated Tear Jerker moments. The other two are Jerkass Woobies and already listed on that page.

  • Though not usually Woobies, The Twins of Superjail! had a moment of this in the season finale after being kidnapped by the pornographer. "We don't want to talk about it."
    • A more conventional Woobie in Superjail! would be Jared. Poor guy.

The twins are declared non-examples. Jared has no context. I don't watch the show.

  • Starfire, Raven, and Terra from the animated Teen Titans.
    • I think that Beast Boy can be seen as one as well, mainly in Seasons 2 and 5.

I don't watch Teen Titans enough to expand these Zero Context Examples.

I don't watch Transformers at all but I can't overlook this pile of Zero-Context Example, Natter, and chained Sinkholes. Someone who does can rewrite the examples that fit better.

  • It's been generally agreed that most, if not all of the Winnie the Pooh characters are this, though perhaps Rabbit, Owl, Beaver, Christopher Robin, Darby and certain other incidental characters less so.
    • Christopher Robin becomes a bit more of one after you see the end of Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin, and notice how similar it is to the end of the last Winnie The Pooh story - specifically Christopher Robin and Pooh talking about how they never will forget each other, even if they can never see each other again. The last book strongly implies that Christopher Robin is being sent to a boarding school and can never visit the Hundred Acre Woods again, and the movie very well could have been suggesting the same thing. At the very least, the implication that the kid will grow up and have to leave his childhood behind is quite sad.
    • Rabbit at the very least is a tall order Jerkass Woobie. Why do these things always happen to him? Why, oh, why, oh, why?

This should probably be rewritten so that it explains why exactly Piglett, Eeyore, Pooh, etc. are woobies instead of just listing the exceptions. I have limited familiarity with the characters so I imagine my context would be incomplete.

  • Can we get an "amen" for Fred Herman Jones on Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated? At the end of season 1, he finds out the Mayor of Crystal Cove wasn't his real dad as claimed, so he breaks off his engagement with Daphne to find his real mom and dad. Then in the season 2 premiere, his trap to catch the episode's villain, Crybaby Clown, fails as Daphne (who had gone on to get a new boyfriend) wasn't at the spot called for so the thing could work.

This was in the wrong place on the list and it honestly sounds like a non-example (isolated Tear Jerker). But admittedly I don't know this version of the show, so if it is an actual example, please put it back on the page (but under tbe S section.)

Now, even if the trope is broken, we can at least say this page is less broken than it could be.
PPPSSC
04:57:05 PM Mar 18th 2013
Hey, I know I said I couldn't do anything else, but I just noticed some I missed in the A-C range.

  • In Marceline's 3rd appearance in Adventure Time, she can be seen as one. Just listen to the song "Daddy, Why Did You Eat My Fries?".
  • Lemongrab. He's a jerk, (and really annoying,) but he's absolutely pathetic, in his social awkwardness, Mommy Issues, constant anxiety, Friendless Background, and perpetual unhappiness. For some people, it's impossible to watch an episode with Lemongrab in it and not want to give him a hug or say something nice to him.

Marceline needs more context, and the specific episode citation makes her sound iffy. Lemongrab I left on the page, but (I don't watch the show) I don't know whether he counts as this or Jerkass Woobie. Also, the same character shouldn't be listed twice.

  • Abe Lincoln on Clone High.
    • Abe?! Joan of Arc! Abe's total obliviousness to her feelings for him and repeated episodes that force her to choose between stealing him for herself or Doing the Right Thing make her the series Woobie.

Abe is a Zero-Context Example. Joan sounds too in control of her suffering to be a woobie.

Deepbluediver
09:17:57 AM Apr 16th 2013
o_0 Wow...that was quite an effort.

I can't say "Yay" or "Nay" to every example specifically, but most of it seems to make sense.

One thing I wanted to add, in support of the above, was that if every or even most characters in a show are listed they probably aren't all the wooby (see Avatar, Teen Titans, Transformers); it may just be a Grimdark or Crapsaccharine World, or a story with a Bittersweet ending.

Bad things happening to a character does not make them the Wooby. Being sympathetic does not make them he Wooby. My understanding is that both of these things need to happen in conjuction, AND in greater amount than happens to any other character. The audience sympathy is not because of a specific event, but because the entire universe seems out to get this character specifically, and for no reason. That's my take on it, anyhow.
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09:56:10 PM Apr 16th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.6
I felt bad that all I was doing was tweaking a good example when bad examples were piling up. >_< I like Woobies, I really don't want this to become JustForFun.Better Off Than He Sounds.

Not necessarily greater amounts than any other character or the entire universe, but it should be distinctly:
  • External
  • Undeserved
  • Affecting
  • Frequent and/or continuous
  • Beyond their control

And then of course comes audience sympathy. Characters can still be The Woobie in overall unpleasant worlds (such as Amos from Chicago) but in that case they should still receive unconditional and personalized sympathy from the audience.
Deepbluediver
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06:58:34 AM Jan 17th 2013
edited by Deepbluediver
Pulled this entire section because I don't think it is correctly classififed. If I have overstepped the boundaries of editting etiquette, I apologise.

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  • Batman: The Animated Series had a couple: Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent, Mr. Freeze, and probably the most pitiful character in the DCAU, Harley Quinn. Hell, Harley's such a woobie that even the other characters feel sorry for her!
    • In the animated film Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero, there is Kunac, the orphaned eskimo boy, whose only caretaker is Mr Freeze
    • Arnold Wesker (AKA the Ventriloquist) is such a woobie, you guys forgot to list him.
    • The Mad Hatter also qualifies, especially in the Batman: Arkham City game where he is shown as a broken shell of a man lost in his despair. All he wanted was to be loved by Alice...
    • Baby Doll, even if she's a bit psychotic. Deep down she just wishes she was a normal woman, not forever trapped in a little girl's body.
  • Curare from Batman Beyond. Just watch her eyes; you can tell she's an assassin who knows she's in a Never Say "Die" universe.
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The definition of "Woobie" seems fairly clear cut; there needs to be a repeated circumstances of an external source that makes the character look like the universe is out to get them, generating a specific audience reaction.

Most of the characters on this list have (as far as I can tell) one single event that drove them along the path to becoming what they are. And everything else is pretty much a direct result of that. They might be Sympathetic Villians, and one or two might qulaify for Jerkass Woobie, but to remain in this page they should at least have better explanations.

Bruce Wayne- lost his parents, went on to become THE BATMAN. Any time he gets beaten, tied up, or forced into some horrible situation because of being Batman doesn't count. Because frankly, more than any other hero, that's his choice. And as the DCAU continues, he only gets more and more badass. He does crush on quite a few femme fatales, but it's also specifically called out on the Woobie main page that a Tragic Hero doesn't count.

Harvey Dent- gets face splashed with acid; forgoes plastic surgery and therapy in order to become a hackneyed villian. I recall that several times in the comic books he does get fixed, only to be shoved back into the role of Two-Face, but in the animated series it's really much more like he just never gets fixed in the first place.

Victor Freeze- loses wife to horrible disease, then falls into a vat of freezing chemicals while looking for a cure. He's not exactly cruel most of the time, but he IS a villian, and by the time the audience meets him his Mr. Freeze persona, he's apparently lost the ability to emote anything other than mild perturbence. Stoic Woobie then, maybe.

  • Kunac (eskimo boy)- gonna have to rewatch the movie for details, but as I vaguely recall, Mr. Freeze takes pretty good care of him.

Harley Quinnzel- a startlingly obvious portrayal of a an abusive/manipulative relationship. Probably only got past the censors because they figured it would fly right over most children's heads while they waited for Batman to punch some one else. However, if you choose to pal around with the joker then you probably deserve what you get. Harley has had lots of chances to leave her "Puddin'" and keeps going back. Needs therapy and apparently isn't getting it. Which brings me too...

Albert Wesker- probably the most borderline case. It's never made clear whether he's just crazy, or the doll is channeling the ghost of Chucky, but his only real problem is being a patient in the city with histories worst mental-health services, ever. Oh, that and being to much of a coward to say "no" to a bad guy that literally cannot act without his compliance.

Mad Hatter- I have not played Arkham Asylum, but in the TV show he really seems to have an awful lot fun using mind control on people. Also, if you thinkg being obsessesd with some one and not being able to take "no" for an answer justifies kidnapping and attempted murder, I'm sure the Lifetime movie channel would like a few words with you.

Baby Doll- birth defect keeps her from ever growing up. Acts like a spoiled brat, apparently never maturing mentally either, despite claiming to want to be normal. Her TV show gets cancelled, which might be sad except for the fact that its happened to pretty much every single TV-show ever, and will continue to happen to every TV-show, ever. They all need to end at some point; preferably before ratings slide so much that the exectuives start to meddle. The only show that seems determined to run forever is Dr. Who, and even that changes up the actors occasionally.

Curare- I'm not even sure what the tragic event for her is supposed to be, since we don't get much of a backstory. Was it "fails to kill the Batman"? Somehow I don't think that counts. And then she goes on a roaring rampage of revenge against the world's other "most deadly assassins", and SUCCEEDS!

So to conclude, the only thing that would seem to qualify most of these characters for Woobie status is that fact that they can't get the help they really need because they live in Gotham, in which case I also nominate Gotham's entire civilian population, for having to live in the same city as these people.

Feel free to disagree, but please explain why.
miru
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07:19:59 PM Nov 6th 2010
We should ad A Cs for Disney and SpongeBob
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03:55:08 AM Feb 21st 2011
Why for SpongeBob? Definitely for Disney, though.
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