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* Helga in \'\'HeyArnold!\'\', of the [[JerkassWoobie jerkass]] variety. Straighter examples at times are Arnold, Phoebe, and ([[TheChewToy unless you find his suffering funny]]), Eugene.

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* Henry from \\\'\\\'KaBlam\\\'\\\' sure is one. Everyone, even his best friend June (who seems to have a crush on him) is constantly beating him up or just being mean to him. Though sometimes June might feel sorry for what she\\\'s been doing and cheer him up.
** June temporarily becomes one in \\\'\\\'Won\\\'t Stick to Most Dental Work!\\\'\\\', when she\\\'s away from Henry. And \\\'\\\'A Nut in Every Bite!\\\'\\\'. Henry falls for Dawn (and this episode\\\'s supposed to come after episode 29, when H&J kiss), and you can kinda sense that June is pretty heartbroken.

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Again, character trope not situation trope. I know I [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment sound like a broken record by now]] but this seems to be the most common error in editing these pages. Henry as an example is questionable, since the violence on that show was generally not played as misery-inducing as far as I can recall.

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* Henry from \'\'KaBlam\'\' sure is one. Everyone, even his best friend June (who seems to have a crush on him) is constantly beating him up or just being mean to him. Though sometimes June might feel sorry for what she\'s been doing and cheer him up.
** June temporarily becomes one in \'\'Won\'t Stick to Most Dental Work!\'\', when she\'s away from Henry. And \'\'A Nut in Every Bite!\'\'. Henry falls for Dawn (and this episode\'s supposed to come after episode 29, when H&J kiss), and you can kinda sense that June is pretty heartbroken.

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** BugsBunny, considering he deals with people like Daffy and Lola on a daily basis.

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Again, character trope not situation trope. I know I [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment sound like a broken record by now]] but this seems to be the most common error in editing these pages. Henry as an example is questionable, since the violence on that show was generally not played as misery-inducing as far as I can recall.

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Bugs Bunny is not a woobie. He has too much power to be a woobie.

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** BugsBunny, considering he deals with people like Daffy and Lola on a daily basis.

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** CourageTheCowardlyDog coincidentally suffers the same as Flapjack, he is also the most friendly and optimistic character on his show and he also lives in a CrapsackWorld and one of the only characters who respect him is Muriel, whom he always has to save almost every episode.

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Bugs Bunny is not a woobie. He has too much power to be a woobie.

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This example could be right, but it needs to be rewritten so it doesn\\\'t refer to a completely unrelated show and put in the right place.

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** CourageTheCowardlyDog coincidentally suffers the same as Flapjack, he is also the most friendly and optimistic character on his show and he also lives in a CrapsackWorld and one of the only characters who respect him is Muriel, whom he always has to save almost every episode.

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** Applies to [[BadassAdorable Jenny]] in more than a few episodes as well. The best example is the ChristmasEpisode, where she\\\'s kidnapped by [[MarionetteMaster Todd Sweeney]], a child who seeks revenge against all holidays (and who himself is a woobie, because it\\\'s due to parental neglect); she [[YearOutsideHourInside wakes up a year later]] to find that the entire city has turned against her - [[FaceHeelTurn including her own mother]] - because of [[WhatTheHellHero things she did]] [[PeoplePuppet against her will]]. The only one willing to support her against Todd? [[YouAreNotAlone Sheldon]]. [[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming And Jenny is sure to reward him in the end.]]]]

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This example could be right, but it needs to be rewritten so it doesn\'t refer to a completely unrelated show and put in the right place.

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[[OverlyLongGag Character trope not situation trope.]]

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** Applies to [[BadassAdorable Jenny]] in more than a few episodes as well. The best example is the ChristmasEpisode, where she\'s kidnapped by [[MarionetteMaster Todd Sweeney]], a child who seeks revenge against all holidays (and who himself is a woobie, because it\'s due to parental neglect); she [[YearOutsideHourInside wakes up a year later]] to find that the entire city has turned against her - [[FaceHeelTurn including her own mother]] - because of [[WhatTheHellHero things she did]] [[PeoplePuppet against her will]]. The only one willing to support her against Todd? [[YouAreNotAlone Sheldon]]. [[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming And Jenny is sure to reward him in the end.]]]]

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* Bubbles from the \\\'\\\'PowerpuffGirls\\\'\\\' certainly counts as a Woobie.
** YMMV, but Buttercup may also count. Her sisters were named for their personalities, she was named Buttercup because [[MiddleChildSyndrome \\\"It also begins with a B!\\\"]] and she her special power is to [[spoiler: Curl her tongue]].

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[[OverlyLongGag Character trope not situation trope.]]

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ZeroContextExample. ExamplesAreNotArguable.

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* Bubbles from the \'\'PowerpuffGirls\'\' certainly counts as a Woobie.
** YMMV, but Buttercup may also count. Her sisters were named for their personalities, she was named Buttercup because [[MiddleChildSyndrome \

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* Gus from \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}\\\'\\\', and when the plot calls for it, T.J. can be one at times, escpecially in the first part of the movie.

ZeroContextExample.

* Pepper Ann, Nicky, and Milo are sort of woobies, with PA trying to be cool but almost always failing, not to mention having Amicably Divorced parents, Milo having to deal with a girl who Switchies between liking him and not liking him and Nicky being the Un Favourite due to everyone favoriting her sister over her.
** At least they have each other (awww).

Only Nicky sounds woobie-like at all. Others are standard everyday problems that don\\\'t cause audience sympathy to any significant degree.

** Also Candace. Though one feels a bit annoyed by how determined she is to get her brothers in trouble, you can\\\'t help but feel sorry for how dang \\\'\\\'hard\\\'\\\' she has to try at it. And let\\\'s not forget \\\"Nerds of A Feather\\\"
** This is an odd one, but Buford, at least in the episode \\\"Voyage to the Bottom of Buford.\\\" I mean, just watch that song. He\\\'s so lonely he\\\'s trying to play \\\'\\\'Ping-Pong\\\'\\\' with a \\\'\\\'goldfish.\\\'\\\' It\\\'s probably a good thing he starts hanging around with Phineas and Ferb more after that episode.
** Isabella could count too. Especially in \\\"Summer Belongs To You\\\", where she sings an \\\'\\\'entire song\\\'\\\' about her love for Phineas....but he doesn\\\'t notice her.
** This one may sound weird but...Irving. After seeing how his Brother Treats him, is it no wonder he turned into a obsessive fanboy?
** Phineas. 99% of the time, he\\\'s an excitable, optimistic bundle of joy, but when he breaks? He \\\'\\\'[[BreakTheCutie really]]\\\'\\\' [[TearJerker breaks.]]
** Even Ferb has had his fair share of StoicWoobie moments. Two prominent examples would be the end of The Beak (It\\\'s PlayedForLaughs, but you can still feel bad for the poor guy), and his Eiffel tower scene in Summer Belongs to You. And the saddest thing is, no matter what happens to him, he never complains, at least not prominantly, and always acts as if everything is just cool with him.

Plenty of non-examples and questionable examples. People who are generally well-off and happy are not the woobie. I feel sorry for them in one episode does not make them the woobie. Irving of these is the only one that sounds like it could make sense but needs more context.

** Ralph Wiggum. In the two episodes that really featured him (\\\"I Love Lisa\\\" and \\\"This Little Wiggy\\\") he was [[BreakTheCutie dumped]] and \\\'\\\'humiliated on live TV\\\'\\\' in the first one, and ruthlessly exploited for his dad\\\'s skeleton key in the second one (and terrified as a result). {{Flanderization}} has also turned him from sort of a younger version of Homer in earlier episodes (with some hidden acting talent) into the mental three-year-old that he is today, which also makes you pity him in a sort of meta sense (almost like watching someone with Alzheimer\\\'s).
** There\\\'s also Marge, who has to put up with a {{Jerkass}} husband and a misbehaving son.
** Ned Flanders also counts. His wife died and he has to live next to Homer, one of the biggest Jerkasses in Springfield. His house was demolished in Hurricane Neddy and his collection of Beatles merchandise and suits were ravaged by Bart. This guy\\\'s got it pretty rough, even if he is a TakeThat at Fundamentalists.

Ralph is almost always well-off and happy; he\\\'s not the woobie. Marge is in power; she\\\'s not the woobie. Ned Flanders \\\'\\\'might\\\'\\\' be the woobie (though if anything he\\\'s probably an IronWoobie) but again, discretely cited episodes are not very reassuring. Needs better context.

** Murdoc had a bit of this in his pre-teen days. His father [[FinancialAbuse forced him to participate in embarrassing talent contests for money]]. His brother broke his nose twice for using his (the brother\\\'s) record player without permission. Murdoc claims to have hit puberty at eight and lost his virginity at nine, and while he\\\'s an UnreliableNarrator at best, he\\\'d also probably have no problem with mentioning something like that for pure shock value, so it\\\'s horribly possible that he\\\'s not lying. However, he was a thoroughly horrible child, just as he\\\'s a thoroughly horrible adult, so maybe he fitted [[JerkassWoobie Jerkwad Woobie]] better.

Moving this to JerkassWoobie unless it\\\'s already there.

* Poor, \\\'\\\'poor\\\'\\\' OswaldTheLuckyRabbit, as we get to see in \\\'\\\'VideoGame/EpicMickey\\\'\\\'. Wanna know why? First, he was abandoned by [[WaltDisney his own father]] over a [[DoingItForTheArt budget dispute]] with [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Charles Mintz]], and when WalterLantz took over the cartoons, Walt \\\'\\\'openly approved\\\'\\\' of Lantz using Ozzie. And it only got worse when Oswald\\\'s half-brother MickeyMouse usurped his original popularity, which, coupled with Lantz\\\'s change of the character, as well as the gradual rise of ScrewySquirrel characters over cute funny animals in the early 1940s (including Universal\\\'s own new character, WoodyWoodpecker) sent Oswald to his grave in 1943, after limping by for the last several years. You would think that in the world for forgotten Disney characters, he would have finally gotten [[EarnYourHappyEnding the happy ending he deserved]]. But nope, [[FromBadToWorse things got even WORSE for him]] -- said half-brother just happened to [[NiceJobBreakingItHero accidently spill a jug of paint thinner onto Yensid\\\'s world]], which would up ruining the whole place by turning it into a [[CrapsackWorld savage wasteland]], as well as unleashing the [[EldritchAbomination Shadow Blot]] upon the place, which would lead the entire world into even more mayhem and ruin, forcing Oswald and any remaining resistance underground--the lowest point of his life would be seeing his own wife, Ortensia the Cat, [[AndIMustScream frozen into stone]], the experience eventually degenerating him into a distrusting, bitter AntiVillain. And on top of that, he\\\'s manipulated by the Blot into becoming jealous and hateful of Mickey so he can be used to its advantage. [[spoiler: That said, he DOES finally get his happy ending when Wasteland is restored and he finally bonds with Mickey.]] Things are getting better for him in RealLife as well. In 2004, Japan had a gigantic craving for rabbit and toy companies began churning out [[EverythingsBetterWithPlushies Oswald plushies]] which were insanely popular. Not to mention in 2006, Disney literally traded a \\\'\\\'human being\\\'\\\' (sports caster Al Michaels) to NBC in exchange for Oswald, showing that they [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming still truly care for him]] and that they want him to return home.
** And if you haven\\\'t yet cried for Oswald after hearing his story, try watching [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=369ZiUrwQTs this]] and see if you can keep a dry eye.

This is an odd situation. I feel uncomfortable pulling the whole thing for a rewrite because it currently provides both the page quote and image (which is serious FanMyopia that should be fixed somehow anyway). But this description is way, \\\'\\\'way\\\'\\\' too long for someone who\\\'s basically only a woobie on a meta-level and in one game. I already trimmed some WordCruft. Someone who knows Oswald better can trim or compress more.

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ZeroContextExample, Helga is already on the JerkassWoobie page with context. Despite knowing the show, I can\'t really add context to Arnold, Phoebe, or Eugene.

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** YMMV, but Buttercup may also count. Her sisters were named for their personalities, she was named Buttercup because [[MiddleChildSyndrome \

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** YMMV, but Buttercup may also count. Her sisters were named for their personalities, she was named Buttercup because [[MiddleChildSyndrome \\\"It also begins with a B!\\\"]] and she her special power is to [[spoiler: Curl her tongue]].

ZeroContextExample. ExamplesAreNotArguable.

* Gus from \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}\\\'\\\', and when the plot calls for it, T.J. can be one at times, escpecially in the first part of the movie.

ZeroContextExample.

* Pepper Ann, Nicky, and Milo are sort of woobies, with PA trying to be cool but almost always failing, not to mention having Amicably Divorced parents, Milo having to deal with a girl who Switchies between liking him and not liking him and Nicky being the Un Favourite due to everyone favoriting her sister over her.
** At least they have each other (awww).

Only Nicky sounds woobie-like at all. Others are standard everyday problems that don\\\'t cause audience sympathy to any significant degree.

** Also Candace. Though one feels a bit annoyed by how determined she is to get her brothers in trouble, you can\\\'t help but feel sorry for how dang \\\'\\\'hard\\\'\\\' she has to try at it. And let\\\'s not forget \\\"Nerds of A Feather\\\"
** This is an odd one, but Buford, at least in the episode \\\"Voyage to the Bottom of Buford.\\\" I mean, just watch that song. He\\\'s so lonely he\\\'s trying to play \\\'\\\'Ping-Pong\\\'\\\' with a \\\'\\\'goldfish.\\\'\\\' It\\\'s probably a good thing he starts hanging around with Phineas and Ferb more after that episode.
** Isabella could count too. Especially in \\\"Summer Belongs To You\\\", where she sings an \\\'\\\'entire song\\\'\\\' about her love for Phineas....but he doesn\\\'t notice her.
** This one may sound weird but...Irving. After seeing how his Brother Treats him, is it no wonder he turned into a obsessive fanboy?
** Phineas. 99% of the time, he\\\'s an excitable, optimistic bundle of joy, but when he breaks? He \\\'\\\'[[BreakTheCutie really]]\\\'\\\' [[TearJerker breaks.]]
** Even Ferb has had his fair share of StoicWoobie moments. Two prominent examples would be the end of The Beak (It\\\'s PlayedForLaughs, but you can still feel bad for the poor guy), and his Eiffel tower scene in Summer Belongs to You. And the saddest thing is, no matter what happens to him, he never complains, at least not prominantly, and always acts as if everything is just cool with him.

Plenty of non-examples and questionable examples. People who are generally well-off and happy are not the woobie. I feel sorry for them in one episode does not make them the woobie. Irving of these is the only one that sounds like it could make sense but needs more context.

** Ralph Wiggum. In the two episodes that really featured him (\\\"I Love Lisa\\\" and \\\"This Little Wiggy\\\") he was [[BreakTheCutie dumped]] and \\\'\\\'humiliated on live TV\\\'\\\' in the first one, and ruthlessly exploited for his dad\\\'s skeleton key in the second one (and terrified as a result). {{Flanderization}} has also turned him from sort of a younger version of Homer in earlier episodes (with some hidden acting talent) into the mental three-year-old that he is today, which also makes you pity him in a sort of meta sense (almost like watching someone with Alzheimer\\\'s).
** There\\\'s also Marge, who has to put up with a {{Jerkass}} husband and a misbehaving son.
** Ned Flanders also counts. His wife died and he has to live next to Homer, one of the biggest Jerkasses in Springfield. His house was demolished in Hurricane Neddy and his collection of Beatles merchandise and suits were ravaged by Bart. This guy\\\'s got it pretty rough, even if he is a TakeThat at Fundamentalists.

Ralph is almost always well-off and happy; he\\\'s not the woobie. Marge is in power; she\\\'s not the woobie. Ned Flanders \\\'\\\'might\\\'\\\' be the woobie (though if anything he\\\'s probably an IronWoobie) but again, discretely cited episodes are not very reassuring. Needs better context.

** Murdoc had a bit of this in his pre-teen days. His father [[FinancialAbuse forced him to participate in embarrassing talent contests for money]]. His brother broke his nose twice for using his (the brother\\\'s) record player without permission. Murdoc claims to have hit puberty at eight and lost his virginity at nine, and while he\\\'s an UnreliableNarrator at best, he\\\'d also probably have no problem with mentioning something like that for pure shock value, so it\\\'s horribly possible that he\\\'s not lying. However, he was a thoroughly horrible child, just as he\\\'s a thoroughly horrible adult, so maybe he fitted [[JerkassWoobie Jerkwad Woobie]] better.

Moving this to JerkassWoobie unless it\\\'s already there.

* Poor, \\\'\\\'poor\\\'\\\' OswaldTheLuckyRabbit, as we get to see in \\\'\\\'VideoGame/EpicMickey\\\'\\\'. Wanna know why? First, he was abandoned by [[WaltDisney his own father]] over a [[DoingItForTheArt budget dispute]] with [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Charles Mintz]], and when WalterLantz took over the cartoons, Walt \\\'\\\'openly approved\\\'\\\' of Lantz using Ozzie. And it only got worse when Oswald\\\'s half-brother MickeyMouse usurped his original popularity, which, coupled with Lantz\\\'s change of the character, as well as the gradual rise of ScrewySquirrel characters over cute funny animals in the early 1940s (including Universal\\\'s own new character, WoodyWoodpecker) sent Oswald to his grave in 1943, after limping by for the last several years. You would think that in the world for forgotten Disney characters, he would have finally gotten [[EarnYourHappyEnding the happy ending he deserved]]. But nope, [[FromBadToWorse things got even WORSE for him]] -- said half-brother just happened to [[NiceJobBreakingItHero accidently spill a jug of paint thinner onto Yensid\\\'s world]], which would up ruining the whole place by turning it into a [[CrapsackWorld savage wasteland]], as well as unleashing the [[EldritchAbomination Shadow Blot]] upon the place, which would lead the entire world into even more mayhem and ruin, forcing Oswald and any remaining resistance underground--the lowest point of his life would be seeing his own wife, Ortensia the Cat, [[AndIMustScream frozen into stone]], the experience eventually degenerating him into a distrusting, bitter AntiVillain. And on top of that, he\\\'s manipulated by the Blot into becoming jealous and hateful of Mickey so he can be used to its advantage. [[spoiler: That said, he DOES finally get his happy ending when Wasteland is restored and he finally bonds with Mickey.]] Things are getting better for him in RealLife as well. In 2004, Japan had a gigantic craving for rabbit and toy companies began churning out [[EverythingsBetterWithPlushies Oswald plushies]] which were insanely popular. Not to mention in 2006, Disney literally traded a \\\'\\\'human being\\\'\\\' (sports caster Al Michaels) to NBC in exchange for Oswald, showing that they [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming still truly care for him]] and that they want him to return home.
** And if you haven\\\'t yet cried for Oswald after hearing his story, try watching [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=369ZiUrwQTs this]] and see if you can keep a dry eye.

This is an odd situation. I feel uncomfortable pulling the whole thing for a rewrite because it currently provides both the page quote and image (which is serious FanMyopia that should be fixed somehow anyway). But this description is way, \\\'\\\'way\\\'\\\' too long for someone who\\\'s basically only a woobie on a meta-level and in one game. I already trimmed some WordCruft. Someone who knows Oswald better can trim or compress more.

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