Not this again.

Nope. It means that some tropers (well, nearly 100, on a quick count) have made entries. There is, or should be, only one entry per troper; each troper considers only part of the show to suck. That between them they've covered about 30 episodes doesn't matter and should not be taken to mean that the whole site somehow hates the whole show.

This is the avenue for complaining. The majority of pages about MLP:FIM are neutral in tone (as required for the main wiki) or positive. Some examples of the gushy ones are Awesome, Awesome Music, Funny, and Fandom Rejoicing. The Awesome page alone is much larger than this one; applying your logic, us guys surely therefore think the vast majority of the whole show rocks.

So it cuts both ways, and generalisations aren't appropriate.

Fair enough. I was just reading through this page and couldn't help but find it odd that most of the show is on here. Something about that just doesn't ring right, but whatever.

It only proves that people are just really passionate about their ponies.

Oh God...not again. Other pages have shitloads of complaints, like Spongebob, Family Guy, Pokemon.....why do people always target this show to harp on?? Just because this show is popular, doesn't mean all episodes are gonna be perfect, and it definitely doesn't mean the show sucks. I really don't want this page locked again, just don't.

MsCC93: Hey, it's fine; nothing has spilled over onto the main page and this discussion is not heated.

Thanks Telcontar. Sorry I overreacted.

I will say this...don't, some of these seem a little overreactionary? I think this page needs a good trimming and that there needs to be a higher standard of what should go on here, especially now that FIM has a Wall Banger page.

I don't agree. It's their opinion. If this page has to require higher standards, the other pages should too. Fans are acting way to oversensitive and can't handle other people's opinions. Nothing is wrong with this page (anymore, that is).

Or, you know, they didn't know about it.

Yes, that's what I said, albeit more verbose.

..

You're not going to convince us to rewrite the rules, especially given your stance on the page as a whole.

I wasn't trying to.

Actually, Psyga is right. Dethroning moments are just that...a moment, not an entire episode.

Well, to be fair, little moments go on the Wall Bangers page, while complaints about the plot goes here.

I say just clean it up.

I agree...I don't want this page to vanish, but watching these tropers argue over moments that conflict with their opinions get hella annoying.

Could we make the Wall Banger link more prominent to discourage minor moments? Thankfully there aren't currently (that I've seen) any justifying edits on the main page, but I'm afraid that to get actual moments which are technically properly explained off the page again would require a lot of PMs to convince the tropers who wrote them that they don't qualify.

^^^^^^ I agree we should make it prominent.I think the problem is that the rules aren't enforced that much, because even after the page says "no justifying edits" or "don't remove an entry if you disagree," some tropes do it anyway...both the wall banger page & this one need to be carefully watched.

Really? She's calling out Twilight for it? Celestia was the one who sent her the destiny spell in the first place... Buuuut nah.

I'm putting it back up. It doesn't bear any of the obvious red flags, such as objectively incorrect details, and nothing i've heard in defense of this seems to completely invalidate it.

Well at the very least delete the whole "WHY WASN'T TWILIGHT PUNISHED" thing. She was acting under official orders from Celestia to research that spell, so she didn't "use her magic recklessly".

Yah. If anyone was being irresponsible here, it was Celestia, for putting everybody at risk with her exam instructions.

Yah. If anyone was being irresponsible here, it was Celestia, for putting everybody at risk with her exam instructions.

I will ask this: Would it be better if Celestia punished Twilight (with Alicorn powers, just to justify the reason why we need Alicorn) for what she did, despite her being the one that ordered it?

Y'know what, I'm just going to look the episode over and edit it when i'm done. I get the feeling there's information I'm missing. Not necessarily information that reflects you guys' opinions, but information nonetheless.
As it stands, that post stays, scapegoat and all.

UPDATE: All right, it seems there may not have been fair grounds on which to punish Twilight. However, that doesn't mean there wasn't guilt left unacknowledged. Editing to reflect.

All right, here's the new post:

• fluffything: This episode is flawed in so many ways. Too many songs (At least "A Canterlot Wedding" had time to set up plot between songs), too rushed, no real conflict (Not only does Twilight instantly realize she is the one who caused the problems, but she manages to fix it within mere minutes with no effort). It really would've benefited from being a two-part season finale. However, that's not my main issue with it. No, the main problem I have with this episode is this: None of the parties responsible for the nearly life-ruining cutie mark swap face retribution. Celestia doesn't even show guilt. Let me just say that I have no problem with Princess Twilight in general. It's a silly idea, yes, but it works in its own way. But of all the routes they could have taken to Twilight Sparkle's coronation, this was in no way the best.

... Why the heck are you doing this? What point does this serve? Are you trying to stir up off-site drama, or something?

Nah, I think he's trying to convince you or another mod to cut this and Wallbangers, if his cutlisting of Wallbangers is concerned.

Note the word "de-debunked". It means I am either agreeing or disagreeing with these claims. Lately, though, it has been disagreeing, I'll admit. Just why do I get the feeling that some of the posters on these pages are just spoiled, whiny fanbrats?

Frankly, all this non-fan is getting from reading all this is that you're being the "whiny fanbrat" here.

Complaining abut parts of the show = Whiny fanbrat

But

Constantly debunking or dedebunking every sngle D Mo S or Wallbanger on this show, more often than not disagreeing to the point you get edit banned for it = Justified?

okay

this page is like a serious frigging hotbed

You're not debunking. You're... whining. Primus forbid someone point out the flaws of the show.

Guys, my understanding is that he's been barred from this part of the website. Please lay off him.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?type=att

Yeah I read about it. Ah well. Get what you pay for.

you saw it to, huh? I don't really get the whole "Most likely pushing some bronies away from the show." and how its meat be a good reason to cut this.

Its not immune just because it has a big fanbase otherwise we'd be purging all the Sonic and Fallout examples too.

This is ridiculous. Those aren't good reasons to cut this page. There are legitimate grievances here. This show is not above criticism, nor should it be!

Then give me one good reason to cut this page.

Well, there aren't. And those listed aren't either.

Hell if huge fanbases and such were a good reason to cut pages like this we'd nuke the entire frigging D Mo S page set.

I still don't get what makes this such a show where people run out of the woodwork and scream their head off just because we said something about a show that wasn't 100% praise and tribute. I mean I don't mind it but times liek this sour my opinion.

If that's how you feel about it, then just block the page.

C'mon, I like pages like this because they remind people that nothing in life is perfect. Now I admit its weird of me to be like that when I have a problem with fanboys going nuts over pages lik this but I wouldn't wanna see it gone or block it.

What? I am a fan of this series and love this page. :/

Ah, sorry about that. Was a bit short sighted of me.

come to think I can admire people like Roy here. I like Tales Of The Abyss, I think its a great game. Do I have problems with it that I just don't like or can't justify? Oh hell yeah, same with King of Fighters or other things I like.

"Then give me one good reason to cut this page."

Just a hint, by saying that you're saying your rationale for wanting it cut was not a good one. I also fail to understand your logic in calling for a cut.

I don't know about you, but I may have come to the conclusion that they who post on the DMOS page for MLP: FIM are not backing up their claims too well.

Explain.

One thing I always wanted to know was how people expected Dont Like Dont Read to be a valid reaction to criticism as it assumes the critic in question has some form of psychic ability like precognition and can tell in advance its gonna suck. Seriously, that is pretty damn short sighted.

@Deadbeatloser22 Nevermind. Anyhow, I just wish MLP: FIM could just be immune to DMOS.

"Ah, sorry about that. Was a bit short sighted of me."

Oh no, I wasn't pointing at you (although I can't blame you), it was just speaking my opinion towards this "Most likely pushing some bronies away from the show." bit.

Then again, although I like this series, I hate when someone call me a brony, so...

Well, I've contributed to this page and love the show. I don't see how it's driving away fans. If that's the case, then delete all dethroning moment pages.

Oh okay. Sorry about that, Roy.

^ Exactly.

^^^ And exactly what do you mean by that?

" Anyhow, I just wish MLP: FIM could just be immune to DMOS. "

No work is truly above reproach.

"Anyhow, I just wish MLP: FIM could just be immune to DMOS."

Yeah, keep on wishing.

Hmm, I should take a time to make an entry here one of these days.

@Deadbeatloser22 I don't think it's the DMOS entries I've de-debunked before, but rather the ones that I've done recently:

http://rkerekes13.deviantart.com/#/d5tqueh

http://rkerekes13.deviantart.com/#/d5tquxb

http://rkerekes13.deviantart.com/#/d5tqvcu

For the third one, I really fail to see how that episode takes away Spike's character development.

I wasn't aware telling someone to "get a grip" and yelling "SHUT UP!!!" at them consituted debunking.

Just sayin'.

ICEBURN.

What about "Get a life"?

Apparently we don't have lives if we write about moments we don't like from things but taking the time to "debunk" them is justified and necessary and not lacking a life.

I guess I usually say those things out of anger or annoyance.

Again, I really don't see how Spike's so-called "character development" got destroyed.

that's a recurring thing I've seen these days where people do silly things and then say they were in a bad mood or were angry. Sometimes its understandable but other times people just use it as an excuse to get off lightly. Sorry if I seem a bit dickish here. Don't we have a trope for that?

But what about my inquiry about Spike's character development?

That I can't really answer. I'll admit the guy who wrote that could elaborate.

Well, thinking back, I really don't think Spike's character development was really destroyed in this season, considering that nopony has treated him like a sidekick much lately. Ever consider that?

I'm been looking over the page, and most of what I see are legit complaints I've seen from plenty of other people in other places, Mare Do Well for example. As much as I love the show, I can't deny that mistakes have been made on it, usually small mistakes, but mistakes none-the-less.

The standard practice is normally to remove the most recent.

True, I guess. I've restored the Mare Do Well one, added ten minutes before the other.

Perhaps send a PM to batmany?

I thought of that, but it appears that he hasn't edited for six months. Still worth a try, I suppose.

I would say move to discussion, and make a note in the discussion and in the Reasons section that this was addressed in Just For Sidekicks.

Plus, there were a lot of extenuating circumstances on Spike's case. He had to travel several days by foot following a dragon migration, which would probably be over by then, to reach a relatively vague location, that would have been abandoned by its original inhabitants. Spike could have just as easily found a needle in a haystack, located in another city, that he only has a vague idea the directions to.

Hellllllllloo? Anyone?

I'll post here to request an unlock.

It's been unlocked. Remember to play nice, everyone.

Okay...?

http://rkerekes13.deviantart.com/#/d5ppvre

"Get a life"

You put a lot of time and effort into debunking personal opinions of a page we're not even allowed to edit any more.

I think you mean de-debunking. In other words, I am merely pointing out whether or not I actually agree with those entries. I hope you understand.

Just for the record, I didn't think that was the message they were TRYING to get across - I just think that's the way it CAME across. There is a difference, and I would clear it up if the page weren't locked.

Anyway, as we are required to explain why our entries count as a DMOS, there are several cases where you could explain why you disagree with people beyond simply rolling your eyes and saying it's wrong. I actually would be open to a debate on this topic, provided it could stay civil. As for taking offense, the reason people might be offended is because you're coupling statements like "no offense" with language that seems deliberately offensive and confrontational, such as "get a life," eye rolls, and frustrated sighs, which makes it seem as if you posted these "de-debunkings," as you call them, with the intention of hurting/offending/angering others.

Thank you. That should clear up most of the problems with this page. I have no quarrel with Wall Banger pages, because those are just little complaints.

I vote for this proposed solution.

I Vote for this solution.

I'm glad we came to an agreement. I'll set up the page now.

Are we going to reset the page?

Not sure, I'll ask the mods.

Let's not suspend them.
Getting facts wrong, that can easily get fixed.

No, I say suspend everyone who talks trash about this show without knowing what they're talking about.

I don't know about suspending the users who make factually incorrect statements. They could simply be not remembering the episode in question clearly, in which case getting their entry removed until they can fix the content of it should be punishment enough.

I do think people should know what they are talking about before posting a DMOS. If you want to completely badmouth a show, well, prepare to have some damn good, genuine, reasons for doing so.

Factual errors should be rectified by P Ming the Troper and removing the moment. They then have a certain amount of time to fix it. If it is not fixed, then the troper should be suspended.

Outright badmouthing the show, however, without any genuine evidence should be grounds for automatic suspension.

Yes, that seems more reasonable. Give them a chance to fix it, and only suspend them if they won't.

Following the unlock, I've added this notice to the page source. Feel free to alter it.

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%% Any and all incidents of rule-breaking on this page may be reported due to problems in the past.
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%% Do not justify a moment that someone dislikes.
%% Do not contest a moment that someone adds.
%% Do not remove a moment because you disagree.
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%% Thank you.
%%

It restates the rules and makes it clear that the page is on a tight leash, but since some things can be solved by PM or this discussion page, reporting isn't a certainty for everything.

This page is a subpage of Dethroning Moment Of Suck in the same way that there's DethroningMoment.Film. It was likely split off because the Western Animation subpage was getting too long and there were a lot of MLP entries. Moving it and the other work subpages back onto the main page would preserve the entries but add too much length, so nothing would be solved.

There are currently no Justifying Edits on the page nor anything else that breaks the rules, and as far as I can tell all deleted examples over time have been restored. The discussion page justification is unnecessary and irrelevant because examples won't get removed unless the writer thinks they don't fit, which is unlikely, and a mod has already stepped in to tell people to knock it off.

The Edit Request for a Locked Page thread is the default and an excellent solution; it is findable through a quick site search, Locked Pages, again here. I don't see any problem with slowing the rate at which entries are added, and perhaps if they are embarrassed about their complaint it isn't a very good one.

The moderators do not turn down edits in that thread unless they're wrong or similar; previous locked DMOS pages are edited by them as usual. If they are embarrassed about editing it for some reason, they don't show it.

I don't think the current solution slows the rate, it outright stops it. It doesn't help that a link to that thread wasn't added to the main page itself so that its existence can be known. There haven't been any edits to the page since it was locked.

Also, earlier in this discussion, I proposed that if this page be deleted, a section for MLP should be forbidden from creation because it would get too long and it would suffer the same problems that got this page locked in the first place. I know this isn't a compromise, but it's a decision that has to be done because the other side is clearly unwilling to compromise.

I don't want to see this page cut because I like Dethroning Moment of Suck pages myself and feel like we're letting the people who vandalized the page win.

I like DMoS pages, too, but it's clear that with the people trying to vandalize this page and locking it in response, there is no way to win on this issue but to delete the page.

I'm going to be completely frank, that means the people who want this page gone win, and they did it by sabotaging the page and trying to censor the opposition.

I feel whatever stupidity that went on in the main page, the stupidity that went on trying to get rid of it was worse.

The only way I feel that this could be any sort of complete capitulation is that the people responsible for the sabotage get reprimanded in some official capacity, like a temporary banning.

^Why didn't we do that instead of locking the page, then?

^Agree.

I do believe that the page should not go on the Permanent Red Link Club, yet instead clear it out and start again. Anybody trying to justify these moments on the DMOS pages should get banned without warning from the wiki until they prove they can adhere to the rules.

If it gets to be a problem again, then this page can be declared too terrible to keep and moved to the PRLC.

There are currently no justifications on the page, only entries which adhere to the rules. Because of this, I feel clearing out current moments isn't needed. Here's something I'm now thinking of; comments?

• Wait a little for things to simmer down. This could be a week or after the next episode is released, depending on the frequency.
• If someone wants to add an entry before then, they can ask for the edit through the thread linked above.
• After that, we call for the page to be unlocked.
• A large notice is added at the top (commented out with %%s so it's only visible to editors) about not justifying entries. If we get mod approval, this could include suspension as a consequence.
• We watch the page (I am very willing to curate it), clear out any new bullets that still go against the rules by justifying entries, and report the editor in Ask The Tropers.
• If after some time it's clear the notice is being ignored despite efforts, the page is cut and the Western Animation subpage has any MLP:FIM entries removed.

I think this gives the page another, stricter chance to work and can catch rulebreakers who ruin the page for others. However, if it's just not going to happen and this fandom is just a bit too split, it really isn't worth keeping this.

^That's an awesome course of action. I think things are simmered down as they are now, so I think it's safe to call to unlock it for now.

^^ I'd say that new plan sounds quite reasonable.

Just one little snag, though:

If you wait a week to let things simmer down, you'll be waiting until a week after the season finishes transmission because the show is transmitted weekly and every new episode will have someone who didn't like it.

Maybe make it three days to cool down after each new episode instead?

I also suggest that we make a Wall Banger page for MLP too, since some of the people who want this page gone are right; a lot of the complaints are about very small things. I think a Wall Banger page would be a much better spot for those little complaints.

Now that I think about it, why don't we just make the page a Temporary Red Link, until the series or season is over. It would be like a regular Red Link (locked page, nobody can edit, nothing on said page), but there would be a more definite timeline for reversal, unlike most pages on the PRLC, which are never recreated ever.

Now that I think about it, why don't we just make the page a Temporary Red Link, until the series or season is over. It would be like a regular Red Link (locked page, nobody can edit, nothing on said page), but there would be a more definite timeline for reversal, unlike most pages on the PRLC, which are never recreated ever.

You guys actually like this page? Why? It's just a bunch of overblown complaining, many of them about very small things. As it stands, almost half the series has an entry on this page, and that's just not right. I have no doubt that EVERY episode of Season 3 so far would have an entry by now with it unlocked.

Suland: Yes, we do like it. It may be complaining, but it's interesting complaining. Reading why people didn't like the bad episodes can be more satisfying than the episodes themselves.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that this page makes a good reference for Fan Fiction authors to help them avoid the most Egregious mistakes made by the show's writers.

Suland: I oppose people trying to lock down a page that is specifically designed for complaining. You don't like your favorite show being bashed? Don't come here.

Yeah, it's complaining. Yeah, a lot of it is overblown. But it's the place that lets us do so, so we do it. I can get offended by some of these complaints too, but as long as they do so within the rules established, they are perfectly acceptable within the context of the page.

Now, I remember hearing about people making new accounts just so they could add to this page, and that is a load of crap. But when people post minor, insubstantial complaints that nonetheless happen in the show? Well, I suck it up.

Roxor: Wow, how pretentious do you have to be to claim that you're better at writing about a children's cartoon then people who are paid to write said children's cartoon?

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that any sort of "mistake" the writers make for this show, or any work for that matter, will be completely eclipsed by anything the fandom comes up with. I mean, look at Cupcakes for heaven's sake.

It's good to hear people's opinion on things, but going as far to claim that you apparently know better then the professionals is extremely arrogant.

Roxor: Wow. Just wow. The arrogance in your post is mind-blowing. First of all, none of the episodes of this series are out and out bad. This is an all around good show. Any flaws are so overshadowed by the good things in it that I don't even understand why you people spend so much time obsessing over what you don't like about it. And no, enjoying a fun show is far more satisfying that complaining about said show's flaws. The fact that you said these entries are better than the show, itself, speaks volumes about how little you must like the actual series. Seriously, why are you even here if you apparently have such a low opinion of the series and its creators?

If you honestly think that every episode with an entry is bad just because some troper got their panties in a twist over something they didn't like and put an entry, then I'm afraid you are either a very easily swayed person or you WANT to see the flaws instead of the shine.

Oh please, fanfic authors are rank amateurs, at best. They make far more mistakes than professional writers do. The writers of this show are PROFESSIONALS and do a far better job handling the content than any fanfic writer ever would. This page serves absolutely no purpose in creating good fanfiction. The actual writers never created Cupcakes, Sweet Apple Massacre, or Pattycakes. The worse things about FIM all come from the fandom. And Roxor, you and your precious fanfic writers DON'T know better than the creators of this show and you never will.

Peteman: yeah, ignoring the problem isn't how you deal with it. No. Most of these overblown complaints have no place being here and should instead go on a Wall Banger page. As far as I'm concerned, this entire page is a travesty. As it stands, most of the episodes are on here, painting an image that the bronies who use the Dethroning Moments page don't even like the show.

PDL: I concur. If this is the attitude of the typical user of the Dethroning pages, then this page should stay locked.

Suland:

I think you misunderstand something: we don't find the entire episode bad. We find (for the most part) individual pieces of the episode bad. That's what a Dethroning Moment Of Suck is. A personal moment of nadir that brings down the series in general for an individual viewer. But the way your statements seem, it's like we hate all aspects of everything of that episode when we make an entry. For the most part, we don't.

And I hate locking DMOS pages in general. I feel it's censorship and I don't see why this series should get special treatment over any other series. If people want to gripe, this is the page to do it in. It's kept contained, and we don't spread our dissatisfaction to anywhere else on the site. But now you and the others censor this page, painting a differently bad image of bronies who take this show way too seriously and treat it as utterly above criticism. It isn't. While overall good, it has problems. And this is the place for an individual troper's worst.

If this show can't take a few whiners on a page dedicated to whining, then how can it survive?

It's not about this series getting special treatment. It's about the sheer number of entries getting ridiculous. I will repeat again: HALF of the episodes have an entry! That's bullocks.

And as for your "we don't find the entire episode bad". Well, Roxor sure had a different take on this, didn't he! I'm sorry, but the general air and treatment of the show DOES paint the picture that you guys hate it. The fact that you spend so much time here on a page dedicated to hating on it also paints that picture. Some of the complaints are just...what? A Dethroning Moment needs to be the worse of the worse, and for the most part, this series lacks the worse of the worse. It's honestly like you guys are intentionally looking for things to put on here.

This show can take a few whiners, but the picture this page paints of bronies isn't a good one. The picture it paints is that bronies are a nitpicky bunch that will whine and complain about every little detail they don't like, no matter how inconsequential it is.

It's not about this series getting special treatment. It's about the sheer number of entries getting ridiculous. I will repeat again: HALF of the episodes have an entry!

... So what? Different people have different moments in a given episode that they consider to be the least enjoyable. What's the big deal?

The problem is that people are letting themselves get WAY too picky and are instead obsessing over perceived flaws instead of enjoying the show. That's the deal.

Don't paint us all with the same brush. I'm far more defending DMOS pages in general, than this specific page. But because this page keeps coming up due to people who can't accept criticism of the show trying to ruin it for others. Doesn't that paint a bad picture of the fandom too? That it can't accept a page dedicated to dislike? That it needs to stamp out criticisms, even stupid ones?

I'm pretty sure most of the entries that are objectionable are people who see the show, enter a single entry in DMOS, and never come back. And yes, that is an abuse, but so is butchering the page.

@moderators: Can we get a crowner on this? Unlock the page, permanent red link the page, reset the page, or something else? As it stands, I don't think a discussion is going to help since a lot of us have fundamentally different positions on this.

Maybe if the criticism are more justified, you wouldn't keep having these problems. Dedicating a page to dislike is never a good idea to begin with.

Suland, why can't you just leave these people alone to have their page? It's not hurting you.

Suland:

Then why don't you complain about other DMOS pages? Or the Wallbanger pages? That's what those pages are about: dislike. FIM is not getting any special treatment beyond the obsession it promotes in its watchers.

And the reason we have these problems is because of people like you! This page was locked because guys like Beware The Worlock and Herok1ller didn't like this page and decided to sabotage it, and here you are championing these rule breakers. If anything, we wouldn't have these problems if we banned the people breaking the rules.

I have patrolled these entries and have pulled ones with legitimate factual problems (and I think some . The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 complained about how the entire town was recruited by the Apple Clan when it was just an extra 5 ponies, creating at least a 2 order of magnitude difference between the complaint and the reality. I've encouraged the pulling of one of the Canterlot Wedding complaints since it understated the contributions of the Mane Cast and overstated the contributions of Shining Armor. But I tried to keep it civil.

Given the reaction to my post, maybe I chose my words poorly? Or maybe the user I was replying to was just overly-sensitive.

Firstly, regarding the show: I love Season 1. Especially the pilot. I just don't like most of season 2.

Back to the topic of the actual page: TV Tropes is all about analysing fiction, and the DMOS pages are specifically about analysing what is perceived to be the negative points in otherwise loved works and explaining what about those specific points the editor didn't like.

I like reading these criticisms. They cast new lights on even good episodes, and it's actually rather hard to find criticism this informative.

It would be a sad thing to see this page cut, but if it's not going to be open for editing, then there's no point in keeping it, so hurry up and put it out of its misery.

Also, in the interests of fairness, cutting this page would also mean cutting the rest of the DMOS pages and making Dethroning Moment Of Suck an example-less page. We can't very well say "No examples from <insert show here>", now, can we?

And you are just one person, Roxor. The only error here I see is that you kept watching long after losing interest. So what if they took the series in a direction you don't like? That doesn't justify saying that fanfic writers do it better and that these pages are better at defining and discussing the show than its own creators.

That does not objectively make Season 2 terrible by any stretch of the imagination.

Actually, TV Tropes is about celebrating fiction. It says so on the main page.

The entries never cast new light on anything for me. Imformative? Hardly.

No, Peteman. The reasons you have these problems is because most of these complaints are bullocks put in by people way too picky and sensitive to what they're seeing on a children's show. I intend to complain about other Dethroning Moments pages as soon as this one has gotten rid of all the unnecessary complaints about minor things.

Suland, TV Tropes has these pages set aside so that we may complain. The site overlords gave us these pages to whine, so we do. And if someone wants to use their one absolute nadir moment on something others consider trivial, that is their problem. Unless they are breaking the rules, that is their right. You and the others should not deny us our right to complain. But the anti-DMOS people have done so and they have done so by breaking the rules.

I personally could go for a reset. If the complainers are so adamant in voicing their complaints, they can come back. But I'd rather not have interference.

Fine. Carry on and yell and howl and gnash your teeth about how much this show sucks, then! You people better not scare not curious new viewers, though! If I catch even a hint that this page was a factor in turning someone off of the series, I will be back. If that time comes, I WILL do everything in my power to see this page erased.

And what happens if it's your attitude that turns people off? The idea that this fandom is so sensitive that it cannot tolerate criticism on a page dedicated to criticism? Acting as though the DMOS page has the ability to sway minds instead of being a place to vent?

What will you do then?

I don't turn people off. The only thing I do is be open about my fandom and recommend it to anyone interested and then I drop the matter. The only one who should be asked that question is you people. My promise still stands.

Suland: I didn't say season 2 was objectively bad. You're trying to put words in my mouth, and you're missing the point of the whole Darth Wiki. Darth Wiki is for celebrating the cynical side of things. That's what we're doing here when we criticise parts of works we like. We're still celebrating the work - in a cynical way. After all, if someone is writing an entry about a particular episode, they'd have to at least have watched the show up to the point they were criticising.

Think the entries don't cast new lights on episodes? I like Luna Eclipsed, but reading the criticisms of it on here made me aware of flaws I hadn't noticed before, and yes, I can see just what the editors meant when I go back and watch the episode in analytical mode. They're good points, but I still think the episode is good, even if the editors who left those entries don't.

Don't believe me that the entries are informative? I hated Lesson Zero from when I first watched it, but I had a lot of trouble figuring out why. The editors here managed to do what I couldn't and explain just what was wrong, and for that, I thank them.

Enjoying something cynically involves light-heartedly chiding it like in Warp That Aesop. This is full on bashing.

No, the entries don't cast a new light on the episodes. They have NEVER made me look at them any differently or made me notice something I didn't before, because I don't need a bunch of whiners to inform me about a children's show that I watch. They're good points, to you. Oh, and there is NOTHING wrong with Lesson Zero. You just took it too seriously. In fact, I'd call the problem with everyone who has contributed to this page: "You took it too seriously."

This is why I struggle with identifying myself as a brony. It seems every single new episode turns into some kind of frelling ordeal because it didn't do EXACTLY what some spoiled-rotten brony wanted to it and then they raise hell for everyone else. I finally just freaking left Equestria Forums because I got tired of there being some outburst from half the users and everyone getting up in arms over whether or not the series was Ruined Forever each and every time a damn new episode aired! I got tired of actually sighing in resignation at the horrors I'd find there every time a new episode came out. I have NEVER seen a fandom this insecure and fussy and JUST PLAIN PICKY in my all life! Every damn episode has to be just perfect or it brings the whole series down to you people! You'd think that this was a Tolkien adaptation by how touchy and picky about every tiny little detail you people get. It's not. It's a show for 12 year olds. Learn to relax and just enjoy it for it is, instead of obsessing over how much you hate some aspect of it.

It's a good show, but it is also merely an above average kid's show. Stop holding it on the same levels you'd put something like War And Peace on. Rant over.

Well that went pear-shaped fast.

The way I'm seeing it, a large part of these complaints would belong more in Wall Banger than here. This page would be for moments that, in retrospective, mark a low point in the entire show. Wall bangers are for moments that are simply stupid. And that a good part of what I see on the page: Moments that are pretty dumb, but in no way marking the lowest point of the entire series.

I feel that should be cleared up.

Alright, how's about this for a solution: reset the page, create a Wall Banger page, and give a reminder to the tropers that this is meant for the absolute lowest personal moment for the series, and that if it isn't truly one's personal worst, then put it in Wall Banger. I can't move DMOS entries into Wall Banger instead of copying them because some point I find merely asinine if not bordering of fanon can truly be a series low point for someone.

My biggest concern is that this then gets this frustrating discussion dragged to the Wall Banger page instead.

Thank you. That's should clear up a lot of problems.

I think it's because they know that their opinions won't be agreed with, because only Mayor Do Well is genuinely disliked on the forums, and even then it's more "not up to standards" rather than "absolutely hated".

Have you seen how shouty-downy and Sacred Cow-ish this discussion gets? I can see why not.

...And?

The main thread has even more diehard fans patrolling it.
Anybody with a gripe would be had for breakfast.

Actually, no. I've seen plenty of people give complaints and have their qualms answered politely. Stop making the portions of the fanbase that can actually accept the show gracefully like the bad guys. Your pathetic attempt at stereotyping the forum users was hilarious, though.

Yes! >:)

I have a feeling that a lot of the entries about "One Bad Seed" would basically amount to people who were bullied crying for Babs's blood. I will admit that a few moments out of the episode do have a way of striking a little too close to home in some ways.

They still can if they want.
Look down.

And since no one's gone to the extra trouble of doing it, I doubt it'll even happen.

Personally, I think if this is going to be locked, it should be cut instead, because some people may spam that thread when space is needed for more important things. And this page is a Natter magnet, anyway (the brony Vocal Minority sure likes Natter.)

We put this here because it would take up too much space in Western Animation. If we took this down, we'd have to move it all back there.

Then just delete the whole page and its contents outright, and forbid anyone from creating a section in Western Animation. Even if it was put there, it would still suffer the same problems that got this page locked in the first place.

You're asking one side to compromise because the other side won't.
That's not a compromise at all.

Who honestly cares? None of these episodes deserve to be on here anyway.

We don't hate the episodes, we hate specific sections of the episodes.

No, you're just haters.

This is a Dethroning Moment page. A Dethroning Moment can range from a specific part of an episode to something that happens throughout an episode, to the episode itself. I think I'm going to make a new topic to show why I think this page should be cut.

Edit Warring.

Serves this page right. It was just a just of BAAAAWWWWWW'ing, anyway.

I find that statement hypocritical given what's on the discussion page.

17 different people have intense opinions on it?

No. There's no excuse for this. I am accepting none of it.

I'm surprised it's not all 26. Haters gonna hate and all that.

I'm amazed it's not every single episode that's been released so far!

Well okay, maybe the Mane 6/Royal Guard thing is overexaggerating, but come on. Celestia finally gets a fight scene and it's really lackluster, Luna is nowhere to be found when she ought to be protecting her subjects from horrible bug-creatures, and the new characters were dull. SA and Cadence are basically straight from a fanfic (TWILIGHT'S BROTHER OUT OF NOWHERE AND THE AMAZING PURE OF HEART PRINCESS), and Chrysalis is more obnoxious and annoying than she is menacing.

Hmm...ok, how about this.

"**Solidus Trigger: The wedding just left a bad taste in my mouth. We finally get to see Celestia in action, and she goes down almost effortlessly. Shining Armor and Cadence in general felt like characters out of a Self Insert Fic, and Chrysalis came off as more of an annoyance than a menacing villain. Also, Luna's cameo just screams "Wasted Potential"."

Okay, that's fine. I guess I did come across as pretty crazy in my first post. Sorry about that.

No problem. Glad I was able to help.

BAW! BAW! BAAAAAAAAW!

Why have you turned into a sheep?

No, they just happen to have a lot of examples. Controversy is coincidence.
Just because you like something doesn't mean it's closed to criticism.
No exceptions.

There's a big difference between "being closed to criticism" and "whining over little things". This page needs to be locked and pruned.

Something stupid was said here, so I've edited it out. Nothing to see here, move along.

Who the hell is making these accusations? Are they even fans?

I didn't know Allecto was a troper!

Well, only Twilight contributed by freeing Cadance, and Cadance contributed to the whole love gives you strength bit, but the shield thing was Shiny's doing, even if he had to have help from Cadance (Twilight didn't really help in that, would have been awesome if she did)

Crap, didn't notice someone had already mentioned this. I would've simply added on to this instead of making my own discussion entry.

Oh well, the point still stands, and you are allowed to contest entries if they're factually false.

^Yes, but not with a Justifying Edit.

Ok.

So...since we've shown that its factually untrue, can the entry be removed?

^Pull it to discussion here so that you won't be accused of vandalism.

Done.

• Gal Hun Gara Kai: The resolution of the season 2 finale as a whole. Twilight Sparkle and her friends being set up as a cast of diverse defined strong independent female characters and excellent rolemodels for the girls (at least that was the clear intention), only to have the finale take all that away, by having a male character be introduced out of nowhere, to solve all the problems single handedly, and defeat a villain even Princess Frickin' Celestia couldn't handle. The series had it's own bad moments before but this is outright offensive.

I fixed it. My guess is it's a vandal. He tore his way through a bunch of DMOS pages two days back, before the higher-ups shut him down.

Again, opinion is opinion.
And here, opinion is king.
And, for all we know, they were calling out the Fantastic Racism as a sign of bad writing.

Could there be a chance, that someone's opinion is horrible?

Such as "nobody has the right to say anything bad about anything I enjoy"?

Because it is a complaining page and people don't know that these are supposed to be left alone (unlike other complaint pages, which are to go to the waste bin)

Ah and it has 170 inbounds. A wee bit too much for my taste.

There is no reason for this page to be cut while the others stay open. Just because the show is popular on the Internet does not exempt it from having a Dethroning Moment Of Suck page. Of course there's complaining, just look at all the other DMoS/Wallbanger pages.

That didn't stop the That Guy With The Glasses and Zero Punctuation pages from being locked.

Well, that's because full-on fights were breaking out on a regular basis, especially with regards to whom the rules apply. In comparison, this is pretty civil. Heck, even compared to Family Guy, (still not locked) where people were submitting up to 8 DMOSes at once, this is pretty civil.

Fair enough. I just get a little sad when someone posts a shark-jump for almost every episode. And Family Guy's huge DMOS page is justified since it tries to be offensive on a regular basis and falls flat on its ass every time.

...Maybe I should just stop looking at this page when a new episode comes out.

We're not necessarily accusing the show of jumping the shark.
I, for one, really did not like The Last Roundup. I didn't boycott the show over it, though. And ain't I glad I did—the next episode more than made up for it.
DMoS doesn't necessarily translate to "point where I stopped watching." The two aren't mutually exclusive, but at the same time, they aren't one and the same.

Understood. I need to stop using that to define every D Mo S. Makes me look like a member of the Fan Dumb.

Upon reading some of the guidelines, these entries are starting to sound like they should be a Troper Tales entry, given the personal nature they have and the fact that you aren't allowed to contest them.

I think I agree with you. It's probably just me, and I'm probably biased since I do like the show, it just seems like when a new entry for an episode pops up, the troper who wrote it is right and everyone that liked the episode is in the wrong.

Because it's their opinion. Of course they (and we) will defend their right to give their opinion.
Especially when we feel we have to.

Not everyone should share an opinion.

But everyone has a right to voice theirs.

You're not any better off. We've had to fight you every time we wanted to voice our opinions regarding the show.
Seriously, if this show means so much to you that you feel compelled to tear down whatever criticism gets put up, what are you doing here?
I referred this page to the chaps at Ask The Tropers, and general consensus so far is that you're in the wrong.

Fine, fine. I admit, I had a bit of a rough day when I made yesterday's edits/comments, so I may not have been entirely in my right mind. Sorry.

Seriously though, that last entry was full of falsehoods and random swearing. I personally felt it had to go.

Yeah, I'll let you have that one. That was Nerd Rage at best. But everything else... Remember the old aphorism:
"Opinions are like assholes—everybody's got one."

The entry itself makes no sense.

First off, how is Derpy attacking the mentally challenged? Fans protray her like this all the time, plus her actions are your standard "goofy klutz" type of character, kinda like Goofy from Goof Troop or A Goofy Movie.

And where is this Character Derailment? I guess Pinkie's freakout about breaking a Pinkie Promise (kinda unnatural for a pony who represents Laughter) but then again fun stuff like that could be considered Serious Business to a fun loving pony like her.

Not only that, but I didn't see no one complaining about her dropping the stuff on Twilight in the Pinkie Keen episode either.

Now I think this other video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8a4ZAXeWJY pretty much sums up my thoughts on Derpy, and no, it's not the Zack Ryder video. I mean, come on now guys.

You know, in light of all this, I think its now safe to remove it for falsehood.

People... It's opinion.
My issue, as stated, was that Applejack acted completely immature and everyone else was completely obnoxious toward her. By the fifteen-minute mark, I was wondering why she hadn't ditched them, after it, vice versa. I'm putting it back up.

Well, my main gripe was towards the people complaining about Derpy being offensive towards handicap people more then anything else.

To the people who are offended by Derpy allegedly being an offensive stereotype of mentally handicapped people...

You do realize that Amy Keating Rogers, the writer of the episode, has a son that's handicapped, don't you?

That's irrelevant.
What matters here is opinion. And while I don't agree, I can understand why people would cry foul over the first (and only) major scene of a slurred-voiced, cross-eyed character being one in which she absentmindedly causes massive property damage and causes a member of the main cast trouble before getting yelled at.

Irrelevant or not, it's still pretty damn stupid.

No one has said anything about the likes of Patrick Star, Ed or such, but no, this happens, shit explodes and ugh, just ugh.

Well, Ed's a space-case and Patrick's simply a moron. Neither of them invoked any obvious stereotypes.
And besides, remember, opinion's just that. You have yours, let others have theirs. They don't have to agree with you.

While that maybe the case, those of us who are not complaining still have to put up with the crap from those who do. Thankfully Hasbro is ignoring the moronic complaints and Derpy is still appearing in her Where's Waldoish deals.

ONCE AGAIN!! Just because your it's an opinion doesn't mean it's ok to be just plain anal about it.

But of course no one will.

I was about to say that. Seriously, Wind-digo; it's not rocket science. Do fans need something to complain about even if it makes no Goddamn sense?

Agreed. And aren't Dethroning Moment of Suck pages reserved for shows that have jumped the shark?

The subject of whether a show has jumped the shark is itself a subjective topic, so I wouldn't say that's 100% true.

Are you fucking serious? People got so pissed off over the littlest of things that this page was created? Seriously? Most of the complaints reach me as overreacting, I mean really, this isn't family guy or the simpsons ya'know.

Agreed. This page is extremely whiny-sounding.

Should I blank the page?

No, you'll get banned for that. Take this matter to the Wiki Talk subforum instead.

marston says "Most of the complaints reach me as overreacting"

Does that mean you find some of the complaints fair or legitimate?

This page needs a purge and possibly a lock. No blanking, tough. Also, mind that Dethroning Moment Of Suck is not about Jump The Shark, but about single problems.

^^I kinda think that the complaints about the first two season-two episodes seem fair {This is coming from someone who likes those episodes BTW}, such as the ending being anti-climatic, or that it was diffrent from the other episodes, stuff like that. But every thing else seems to be overreacting, especially the Lesson zero entry, which from what I've seen, consit's of "Oh noes! the show is getting manly now! RUNIED FOREVER!".Not likeing an episode is one thing, bitching about it over dumb reasons is another. And that's not even getting into the mare do well entry.....

To be honest, I'm surprised that no one started whineing about both the dave polsky episodes {Feeling pinkie keen and over a barrel} on this page yet.

At the very least, the last 2 entries should be cut. the first is just petty complaining about an episode not meeting expectations, and the second one is blatant fanwankery to make an episode dark and offensive when it really isn't.

"^^I kinda think that the complaints about the first two season-two episodes seem fair {This is coming from someone who likes those episodes BTW}, such as the ending being anti-climatic, or that it was diffrent from the other episodes, stuff like that."

Okay, the anti-climatic ending, I can understand. But the complaint of the genre shift being fair? You serious? That was how season 1 started. I don't see what's so wrong with the creators wanting to do it again for season 2.

I mean, the complaints about the climax of Return of Harmony being rushed and the complaints about TMMDW are legitimate, but the rest strike me as whining.

I'm not saying that I agree with the return of harmony complaints. Just saying that some of them seem fair. Although now that I think about, the genre shift complaint is pretty stupid.

Can we PLEASE do something about the Heart Warming Eve entry?! Its petty complaining over ridiculously trivial things, and the poster deflects all criticisms with 'its just you WM Ging' and refusing to discuss it.

Oh, and his complaint about the princesses abscence makes no sense as the freaking episode description says the founding was before they were even born.

Can I please get some helo convincing fluffything the entry needs to go? He's spoiling what is supposed to be a happy christmas episode edit: Oh, its already gone. Thanks. =)

We might consider sandboxing it so that it can be locked - no need for more negative examples.

How the heck is complaining about a Genre Shift "pretty stupid?" The show consistently established itself as a mostly slice-of-life series with minor adventure elements, and all the sudden we have an episode where they're chosen ones fighting a mad god. Am I not allowed to be jarred by that?

Honestly this whole discussion basically amounts to "complaining is bad. People shouldn't be allowed to criticize what I like." Asking for a lock in this case is self-centered, childish and petty.

Because that's how the entire series started, with the characters trying to stop a mad god as well. Faust herself stated that Luna was corrupted by a dark force, meaning that there are more villainous forces out there in Equestria. It's not jarring if the creators want to introduce another villain.

So what I'm hearing is that for some reason, because the pilot episode of FIM had magical girls and chaotic gods, its perfectly okay to bring them back whenever you want even when its clear the writers have spent a whole season abandoning that concept.

Pilot episodes often introduce stuff that is abandoned later in the series. The first draft of the Hobbit mentioned Fairies and China (the country), so by your logic if Tolkien's son wrote a sequel that had fairies and went to China it would be perfectly okay even though we've had a whole trilogy (and a rewrite of the original book) establishing that such things are no longer canon.

Yes the Elements of Harmony and the girls-battling-evil was the pilot, but by the end of the first season it had clearly been abandoned, and in fact had been contradicted up the rear end several times. For example, how can anyone still believe that Pinkie, Fluttershy and Rarity even belong on a force that fights evil gods? One's a divorced-from-reality space case, one's an abject coward with no strength to speak of, and one's got OCD and faulted priorities. Each time they succeeded in subdoing much of anyone, it was only because that someone was particularly vulnerable to whatever they had. In a more general situation, they'd be useless.

The whole "they represent the elements" thing is simply no longer true by the end of the first season either. By then, each Element is either so vague as to have lost meaning (how exactly is Fluttershy kinder than any other pony?) or else we've seen that the ponies attached don't quite live up to their element (Rarity has been shown to have a self-centered and jealous streak. She's generous to her best friends, but again that's normal for most of these characters), and in any case how the heck are they "Harmonious" when a lot of the episodes revolve around them having interpersonal conflict? You can't do this, then in the next episode say "Oh hey they're the Elements of Harmony!" That would be like having Sonic say chili dogs are his favorite food in one ep, then later on saying that he's allergic to them. Writers call this "an inconsistency."

Granted, now that season two has come and gone and the Elements are clearly here to stay this is all a moot point, but the point is that at the time the Return of Harmony was credibly jarring. And even if it wasn't a genre-shift, it was still simply a bad story, for reasons I've stated elsewhere.

Only Three of these Dethroning are even legitimate complaints. Honestly it seems like Most people are completely freaking out over minor occurrences, over thinking every little plot point, and basically; just not having a sense of humor.

This isn't Family Guy, where they make fun of religion and insult people just because they can. These are barely opinions these are just rants disguised as entries. These people need to be slapped.

But Please, PLEASE. Delete this page, it's just more Brony Hate than actual complaints.

We have genuine grievances here. And yes, a lot of these are legit complaints.

I dunno, the complaints for Luna Eclipsed, at least, seem more like knee jerk interpretations of the episode rather than legit complaints. And then there's Novus Wolf's prententious inflammatory entry for Lesson Zero.

I feel for Luna Eclipsed at least, those interpretations are valid. Luna's initial arrival in the pilot and her redemption there were forgotten. Pinkie did act like a flankhole to her. The very existence of the holiday makes little sense to me...

This is a page built on personal opinion. Everything is valid if the person saying it says so (that is, unless they get objective facts wrong regarding the subject matter, and that's particularly easy to address).

You DO Realize that people spout invalid bullshit all the time, right?

Yes. And all of it has either been weeded out or fixed.
Now leave us alone. If you aren't going to contribute anything meaningful, then why are you even here?

I can say the same of everyone that has added to this section. According to you lot, most of Season 2 sucked and you're already picking on the third season. If this show enrages you all so much, then stop watching it. Honestly. It's a kid's show. An above average kid's show, but still a kid's show. Stop flying off the handle over every little lapse in logic and declaring it Ruined Forever every time something happens that you don't like.

Dude, we don't hate it.
If we hated it, we wouldn't care enough to post here.
I don't speak for everyone, but I certainly don't think the show was Ruined Forever, and I most certainly do not agree with everyone who has ever posted a thing.
Nobody here speaks for everybody here. That's sort of the point.

Oh, don't give me that line. If you didn't hate it, the vast majority of all the episodes wouldn't be posted here. You may as well make an entry for each and every episode and just declare the whole show sucks at this rate. If you guys here really liked this show, you'd be enjoying the show for what it is instead of obsessing over bits that you didn't like. Every entry into this horrible, wretched section is just brimming with bitterness. Everything in this page is either an overreaction to comedy or whining for the sake of whining.

"No one here speaks for everyone" might not be the point, but this page is ridiculous and the freedom to whine about whatever you don't like has been abused straight to hell. It's not the first time a page has been misused as such. I have yet to see any other work have such a high percentage of entries into this category. Hell, most of these are minor things, too. Just because you can complain doesn't always mean you should.

EDIT: Just counted. There is an entry for 26 episode episodes out of the current 54. Seriously, people? Seriously?

Why do I even bother with you?
Just because none of us think the show is above criticism, doesn't mean we're all one part of a massive, Yahtzee-shaped jigsaw puzzle made of happy horse hatred.
We each like the show. So do you.
We each have a part that we like less than the rest of the show. You don't, apparently.
That is where it stands. And if all you're going to do is give us grief for not adhering to the "true scotsman" fallacy, then I don't see any point in you being here.

I never said the show was above criticism, but I find it very, very, VERY difficult to believe that half the show warrants an entry in IT SUCKS. Really, if you're not as rage-filled towards certain aspects you as claim, then 26 out of 54 episodes have LOOONG, WHINING entries proclaiming them the Satan of cartoons?

No. I don't believe anyone who contributes to this page likes the show. In fact, the bronies over at the TV Tropes forums actively disown you all.

How does "having parts you like less than others" equate to half the show sucking?

I'll do my thing when this page is cleaned up and only legit criticisms remain. Allowing a shrill, whining page like this remain as it is reflects badly on bronies at large. If this page to be believed, then you're not grateful for most of the efforts the creators put into this show. There is no way that half the episodes in this show suck. It's just piles and piles of moaning and bitching over little things.

EDIT: Also, "We are also not a wiki for bashing things. Once again, we're about celebrating fiction, not showing off how snide and sarcastic we can be." Well, what this page is doing is going completely against TV Tropes's own mission statement and relentlessly bashing every imperfect aspect of the show.

We don't all think that "half the show" sucks.
Each of us thinks 1/54 of the show isn't as good as the other 98%.
And each of us is willing to respect that, even if we don't share one another's views.
And good luck getting yourself the position of judge—you just tore down an entire episode's worth of entries because the posters were "whiners."

What's with this "we" and "we're"? Am I to believe that you people just sit here all day long discussing how these episodes suck?

It doesn't matter if the entries are written by different people. The fact remains that this entire page is a huge wall of hate aimed at this series, collectively adding up to half of it! HALF OF IT! That's nuts! This page needs a trimming. None debatable.

Well, they were whiners! They were complaining about a very minor detail in a very good set of episodes!

And again, the bronies elsewhere on this very site ACTIVELY DISOWN YOU ALL. What have you to say to that. They treat this page as a place where all the rubbish goes off to "keep the forums clean" (their words, not mine).

You're not going to convince us (by which I mean the individuals who wrote the entries, myself included) you're in the right, because none of us have done anything wrong. We put our criticisms in a single place. A place specifically created to contain them.
Meanwhile, you've actively vandalized the page in protest of the ideas it expresses, which is quite clearly against the rules.

People in the wrong often don't recognize that they are, so that's no skin off my back.

Yawn. And meanwhile, you people have actively hated and bashed this show relentlessly over minor things (which, by the way, goes against what TV Tropes stands for). So again, it all comes back around to you guys.

I can see why the forum users want nothing to do with any of you. Also, why do you hang around here protecting your "precious" endless trashing of this show?

Because people like you have no qualms towards telling us we're wrong for not agreeing with you.

You're wrong becasue 26 out of 54 episodes have no business being listed here. Have you even read the shit on this page?

The fact that you stand guard over blatant hatred is a very sad statement about you.

Yes. They have their qualms, and they have their explanations.
Much like an AP lit test, the only wrong answers are the ones that aren't backed up, and I don't see any of that on the page.
And no, this isn't "blatant hatred," this is just a bunch of least favorites. Certainly nothing to go on a mighty crusade over.

I'd have to agree with Worlock here. It is a just blatant hating and I'm glad the admins finally locked it. It'd have gotten to the point where single episode was on here if they hadn't.

They locked it because people were breaking the rules regarding DMOS, not because they had any moral objection to this page.

These are explicitly stated to be opinions. The only wrong answers are ones that break the rules. You have to provide your answers, you have to sign your entries, you have pick ONE per series, and you have to describe an event in the series. Beyond that, you can do what you want.

I think that if this page will stay locked, we should just cut this page out with a spoon. It's a magnet for anti-brony Hate Dumb, so it's not a good idea to keep this around.

@ Waxing Name: Finally, someone who talks sense.

That means they'd only take up space on DethroningMoment.Western Animation.
Wer're not haters, we're just individuals with a least favorite episode.

No. They're haters. Pure and simple.

Oh please. With the show having its own section, any entries on Western Animation will just get removed.

"No. They're haters. Pure and simple."

No, we just have complaints about some episodes of a show we enjoy. Picking out what we think is bad writing doesn't mean we hate the show: it simply means we don't agree with or like how a certain episode was written, either as a whole, or in certain places.

It's fine if you disagree with us, but frankly, your attempt to paint us as just bitching for the sake of bitching is insulting and a spit in the face.

No, you're just haters. Also "Bad Writing=/=Dethroning Moment of Suck". There should be a much tighter criteria on whether or not anything should be allowed on these pages, given the severity of the title "Dethroning Moment". A moment you simply don't like shouldn't warrant an entry. It shouls have to REALLY be something bad, and so far I haven't seen a single episode do anything that warrants this kind of bitching. Ever think you were the ones taking the show far too seriously? If you want to talk about bad writing, you can do that on the forums. That said, Beware The Worlock was right. Most of the show has no business being on here. Had you people been allowed to, every single episode would have been put on here.

YOU ARE just bitching for the sake of bitching! If you view my telling you that as a spit in the face, then so be it.

Also, it doesn't matter anymore. The page is locked. Everyone who hobbied against this waste of a page just got what they wished for.

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Enough.

You all have better and more productive things to do with your lives and time on this wiki than arguing over a kids' cartoon. I locked this page because it's one of the silliest things I've ever seen, and causes the most ridiculous wars. Stop arguing and calling each other names. If you're so unhappy, Take It To The Forums. Stop clattering the discussion pages.

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Will do.