Discussion History DethroningMoment / MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

As for \\\"middle class and educated\\\", who\\\'s stereotyping now? (And by that I mean stereotyping TV and film characters as much as I mean Jews). And again from the UK perspective, I\\\'m middle class and educated - I\\\'m a chartered chemical engineer. I don\\\'t know anyone of Jewish extraction. I\\\'ve not been avoiding them - I\\\'ve never to my knowledge met one, not at any school I\\\'ve attended, not at either of the universities I attended to study science and engineering, and never once in a twenty year career in industry in the UK. I have had professional dealings with a Jewish person precisely once in my life, when I engaged a gentleman to tune my girlfriend\\\'s piano. Whatever you choose to believe, the usual experience of a person living outside the media-bubble in the US and outside the capital in the UK is that Jews are a minority so small you hardly ever meet one.

I don\\\'t know how much more explicit the trope description can be when it says that examples should ONLY be inversions, aversions or particularly egregious examples (e.g. the one from Ireland in the Roddy Doyle book). You seem to be saying that you\\\'ve thought of an example that you think that I think would be suitable, and you don\\\'t think is suitable. Well, newsflash, again, I agree with you, that one doesn\\\'t work.

\\\"The trope has always sounded to me like \\\"there\\\'s only a Jewish character here because...\\\"

And yet the trope description says that that is not what it\\\'s about. In fact it is quite careful to explicitly state it, with shouty capitals on the word NOT. In the face of such determination to take offence in the teeth of the evidence that none has been given, it\\\'s hard to know what to suggest. Perhaps, just don\\\'t read it again if you don\\\'t like what it says, or, if you can, dispute the facts and examples presented.

Also, it is precisely that Jewish characters are out of place, inasmuch as their representation outweighs their demographic presence. I\\\'m equally sure that there are native American populations in every state in the union (maybe not Hawaii, but you know what I mean), but I can count the number of native American characters I\\\'ve seen in sitcoms, dramas and quiz shows on the fingers of one hand. Yes - there is a Jewish population in the UK. As the trope points out for comedy effect (but accurately), according to the 2001 census it\\\'s outnumbered three to two by Jedi. Translation: it\\\'s *tiny*, and it is furthermore \\\'\\\'highly\\\'\\\' concentrated in a few areas of a very few cities, obviously including the capital. And yet I could probably off the top of my head name fifty high profile Jewish actors, writers or politicians, all drawn from this tiny, tiny, population which for most residents of the UK (i.e. those outside London and literally one or two other big cities) is entirely invisible.