History DethroningMoment / MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

21st Apr '16 12:56:49 PM youwantit
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** Tropers/{{youwantit}}: I really like Discord, to the point where he's my favorite character in the series. So when I found out there was going to be a second Discord episode in Season 5, I was really excited. That being said, when I finally watched the episode, I hated it, and it wasn't just due to disappointment. First of all, the humor sucked. While there were a few funny references in the episode, the jokes were otherwise very unfunny. Another reason the episode was so terrible was that almost everyone in it was out of character. The story rehashed the Three's a Crowd plot of Discord being a troll, except this time it made Discord look ungrateful considering that this episode took place after Twilight saving Discord in Twilight's Kingdom. The Mane Six besides Twilight also acted unusually stupid, not realizing Discord was trying to troll Twilight until the end of the episode. The only characters who were in character were Twilight and Spike, but even then, they went through the usual plot points of Twilight going crazy and Spike trying to calm her down. Lastly, the story was incredibly contrived. I mean, I would all of the things the Mane Six did with Discord over the weekend have been THAT much funnier if Twilight was there? Overall, I really hated this episode, and I hope that the writer of this episode, Neal Dusedau, doesn't return in Season 6.

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** Tropers/{{youwantit}}: I really like Discord, to the point where he's my favorite character in the series. So when I found out there was going to be a second Discord episode in Season 5, I was really excited. That being said, when I finally watched the episode, I hated it, and it wasn't just due to disappointment. First of all, the humor sucked. While there were a few funny references in the episode, the jokes were otherwise very unfunny. Another reason the episode was so terrible was that almost everyone in it was out of character. The story rehashed the Three's a Crowd plot of Discord being a troll, except this time it made Discord look ungrateful considering that this episode took place after Twilight saving Discord in Twilight's Kingdom. The Mane Six besides Twilight also acted unusually stupid, not realizing Discord was trying to troll Twilight until the end of the episode. The only characters who were in character were Twilight and Spike, but even then, they went through the usual plot points of Twilight going crazy and Spike trying to calm her down. Lastly, the story was incredibly contrived. I mean, I would all of the things the Mane Six did with Discord over the weekend have been THAT much funnier if Twilight was there? Overall, I really hated this episode, and I hope that the writer of this episode, Neal Dusedau, doesn't return in Season 6.
13th Apr '16 9:37:27 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** Tropers/{{Siggu}}: The rest of the Mane 6 does not do better in this episode. Let's see, you have Rainbow Dash who, despite about a year passing since she had Tank, has NO IDEA tortoises brumate (Let's forget about the fact the episode itself gets the word wrong) and getting crazy at that as if Tank were dying. Nopony else (Not even fellow reptile owner Pinkie Pie, or Tank's presumed former owner Fluttershy) seems to catch into that (Pinkie realizes Rainbow Dash has something against brumation, but it's never brought up afterwards), let alone suggest a very simple alternative ([[SarcasmMode Gee, I wonder how we could make a portable heat source. It's not like we can't already make magic helixes that can be propelled with your mind and make you fly like a helicopter.]]) to solve the problem - and everyone would be happy. I get what they were trying to "teach", but doing so by giving each character a colossal IdiotBall is not the right way. It's kind of like "Lesson Zero", except the overreaction makes even less sense, and so does the other ponies not noticing what's wrong. Oh, and everypony crying at the end ([[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot About something awfully easy to avoid had they paid attention]]) just rubbed salt in the wound. All of this makes "Tanks for the Memories" a serious candidate for the worst episode in the series.

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*** Tropers/{{Siggu}}: The rest of the Mane 6 does not do better in this episode. Let's see, you have Rainbow Dash who, despite about a year passing since she had Tank, has NO IDEA tortoises brumate (Let's forget about the fact the episode itself gets the word wrong) and getting crazy at that as if Tank were dying. Nopony else (Not even fellow reptile owner Pinkie Pie, or Tank's presumed former owner Fluttershy) seems to catch into that (Pinkie realizes Rainbow Dash has something against brumation, but it's never brought up afterwards), let alone suggest a very simple alternative ([[SarcasmMode Gee, I wonder how we could make a portable heat source. It's not like we can't already make magic helixes that can be propelled with your mind and make you fly like a helicopter.]]) to solve the problem - and everyone would be happy. I get what they were trying to "teach", but doing so by giving each character a colossal IdiotBall is not the right way. It's kind of like "Lesson Zero", except the overreaction makes even less sense, and so does the other ponies not noticing what's wrong. Oh, and everypony crying at the end ([[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot About (about something awfully easy to avoid had they paid attention]]) attention) just rubbed salt in the wound. All of this makes "Tanks for the Memories" a serious candidate for the worst episode in the series.
13th Apr '16 11:57:33 AM Ninja857142
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** Tropers/{{Ninja857142}}: For me, it wasn't that Starlight was overpowered (she didn't really seem more powerful than Twilight). It wasn't that her backstory was shallow (one could argue the same for other villains). It wasn't even all the horrible things she did (again, one could say the same for other villains). The real reason I think [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic so many fans dislike Starlight]] is the reason why Starlight stood down: [[ItsAllAboutMe herself]]. Even when faced with the possibility of destroying Equestria, that wasn't enough to convince Starlight to stop. Instead, she just went and appealed to a FreudianExcuse, and then she flat-out denied the apocalypse, [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that it was just something Twilight "showed" her (whatever else that could have been)]]. Twilight only talks her down by telling her how [[ItsAllAboutMe she]] can make things better for [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] life by making [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] own new friends who will stay with [[ItsAllAboutMe her]]. She comes off as only standing down for purely selfish reasons, as opposed to caring about how she's hurting others, or the risk of destroying Equestria and killing everyone! It doesn't seem like a genuine HeelFaceTurn at all, and it completely distorts the idea and point of friendship. While I do believe the writers can swing this around, right now, this is my Dethroning Moment.

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** Tropers/{{Ninja857142}}: For me, it wasn't that Starlight was overpowered (she didn't really seem more powerful than Twilight). It wasn't that her backstory was shallow (one could argue the same for other villains). It wasn't even all the horrible things she did (again, one could say the same for other villains). The real reason I think [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic so many fans dislike Starlight]] is the reason why Starlight stood down: [[ItsAllAboutMe herself]]. Even when faced with the possibility of destroying Equestria, that wasn't enough to convince Starlight to stop. Instead, she just went and appealed to a FreudianExcuse, and then she flat-out denied the apocalypse, [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that it was just something Twilight "showed" her (whatever else that could have been)]]. Twilight only talks her down by telling her how [[ItsAllAboutMe she]] can make things better for [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] life by making [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] own new friends who will stay with [[ItsAllAboutMe her]]. She comes off as only standing down for purely selfish reasons, as opposed to caring about how she's hurting others, or the risk of destroying Equestria and killing everyone! It doesn't seem like a genuine HeelFaceTurn at all, and it completely distorts the idea and point of friendship. While I do believe the writers can swing this around, right now, this is my Dethroning Moment.
3rd Apr '16 10:20:23 AM Peridonyx
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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: I mostly like this finale, except for one thing -- Starlight suddenly being being some sort of magical demigoddess who can give Twilight (both an Alicorn and the Element of Magic), Star Swirl (Celestia and Luna's established mentor in the books), etc. a run for their bits, and with no real explanation other than just "She has so much potential". Even more glaring is her suddenly figuring out how to alter history multiple times, something even Discord admitted being unable to do even once in ''Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue24''. While her HeelFaceTurn is indeed a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, she's still the closest thing to a VillainSue in the series so far (unless the writers can somehow expand upon her backstory regarding her magic -- and not in some AssPull fashion, either).

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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: I mostly like this finale, except for one thing -- Starlight suddenly being being some sort of magical demigoddess who can give Twilight (both an Alicorn and the Element of Magic), Star Swirl (Celestia and Luna's established mentor in the books), etc. a run for their bits, and with no real explanation other than just "She has so much potential". Even more glaring is her suddenly figuring out how to alter history multiple times, something even Discord admitted being unable to do even once in ''Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue24''. While her HeelFaceTurn is indeed a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, she's still the closest thing to a VillainSue in the series so far (unless the writers can somehow most likely expand upon her backstory regarding her magic -- and not in some AssPull fashion, either).
3rd Apr '16 10:19:03 AM Peridonyx
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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: I mostly like this finale, except for one thing -- Starlight suddenly being being some sort of magical demigoddess that can give Twilight (both an Alicorn and the Element of Magic), Star Swirl (Celestia's and Luna's established mentor in the books), etc. a run for their bits, and with no real explanation given other than just "She has so much potential". Even more glaring is her suddenly figuring out how to alter history multiple times, something even Discord admitted to being unable to do even once in ''Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue24''. While her HeelFaceTurn is indeed a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, she's still the closest thing to a VillainSue in the history of the series (unless the writers expand upon her backstory regarding her magic -- and not in some AssPull fashion, either).

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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: I mostly like this finale, except for one thing -- Starlight suddenly being being some sort of magical demigoddess that who can give Twilight (both an Alicorn and the Element of Magic), Star Swirl (Celestia's (Celestia and Luna's established mentor in the books), etc. a run for their bits, and with no real explanation given other than just "She has so much potential". Even more glaring is her suddenly figuring out how to alter history multiple times, something even Discord admitted to being unable to do even once in ''Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue24''. While her HeelFaceTurn is indeed a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, she's still the closest thing to a VillainSue in the history of the series so far (unless the writers can somehow expand upon her backstory regarding her magic -- and not in some AssPull fashion, either).
29th Mar '16 10:58:27 PM Spanks
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** Tropers/Spanks: Much like A Friend in Deed, the direct predecessor to this episode, Putting Your Hoof Down suffers from a lot of Designated Heroism which makes it (and many other MLP episodes like it) suck. If there is anything I will not stand for in this show, it's hypocrisy and Designated Heroism. God forbid we actually have our favorite adorable little ponies out to be wrong. You want to sympathetic with Fluttershy, but then she takes her training too far and turns into a bitch, you probably want be sympathetic with Rarity and Pinkie Pie, but then [[{{Hypocrite}} they're no better]], swindling and conning people, (Not to mention, Pinkie Pie has no issues whatsoever about taking advantage of Fluttershy's kindness in the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime very next episode]]), which brings me to the very next problem. Instead of doing the responsible thing, [[DesignatedHero Rarity and Pinkie]] (and the plot) just say [[DesignatedVillain Iron Will]] is the bad guy. Why? How is he the bad guy? Because he ran a real legitimate business, and in the end he didn't want to be cheated and just happened to be rude? [[FantasticRacism Or is it because he's a big, hulking minotaur]] and a not a cute little bright colored sparkly-eyed pony? When the "villain" is the ''most sympathetic'' character, you know you messed up big time. As said many times before, this episode is just bad. The story and setting goes off the rails. The characters aren't likeable, and the storytelling and aesop just stinks to high heaven. They messed up bad here. Very bad. EightDeadlyWords doesn't do this episode justice.

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** Tropers/Spanks: Much like A Friend in Deed, the direct predecessor to this episode, Putting Your Hoof Down suffers from a lot of Designated Heroism which makes it (and many other MLP episodes like it) suck. If there is anything I will not stand for in this show, it's hypocrisy and Designated Heroism. God forbid we actually have our favorite adorable little ponies out to be wrong. be... *gasp* wrong! We can't have that! You want to sympathetic with Fluttershy, but then she takes her training too far and turns into a bitch, you probably want be sympathetic with [[DesignatedHero Rarity and Pinkie Pie, Pie]], but then [[{{Hypocrite}} they're no better]], swindling and conning people, people themselves (Not to mention, Pinkie Pie has no issues whatsoever about taking advantage of Fluttershy's kindness in the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime very next episode]]), which brings me to the very next problem. Instead of doing the responsible thing, [[DesignatedHero Rarity and Pinkie]] (and the plot) just say [[DesignatedVillain Iron Will]] Will is the bad guy. guy]]. Why? How is he the bad guy? Because he ran a real legitimate business, and in the end he didn't want to be cheated and just happened to be rude? [[FantasticRacism Or is it because he's a big, hulking minotaur]] and a not a cute little bright colored sparkly-eyed pony? pony, therefore he must be in the wrong no matter what. When the "villain" is the ''most sympathetic'' character, you know you messed up big time. As said many times before, this episode is just bad. The story and setting goes off the rails. The characters aren't likeable, and the storytelling and aesop just stinks to high heaven. They messed up bad here. Very bad. EightDeadlyWords doesn't do this episode justice.
29th Mar '16 10:52:34 PM Spanks
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** Tropers/Spanks: Much like A Friend in Deed, the direct predecessor to this episode, Putting Your Hoof Down suffers from a lot of Designated Heroism which makes it (and many other MLP episodes like it) suck. If there is anything I will not stand for in this show, it's hypocrisy and Designated Heroism. God forbid we actually have our favorite adorable little ponies out to be wrong. You want to sympathetic with Fluttershy, but then she takes her training too far and turns into a bitch, you probably want be sympathetic with Rarity and Pinkie Pie, but then [[{{Hypocrite}} they're no better]], swindling and conning people, (Not to mention, Pinkie Pie has no issues whatsoever about taking advantage of Fluttershy's kindness in the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime very next episode]]), which brings me to the very next problem. Instead of doing the responsible thing, [[DesignatedHero Rarity and Pinkie]] (and the plot) just say [[DesignatedVillain Iron Will]] is the bad guy. Why? How is he the bad guy? Because he ran a real legitimate business, and in the end he didn't want to be cheated and just happened to be rude? When the "villain" is without question the ''most'' sympathetic character, you know you messed up big time. As said many times before, this episode is just bad. The story and setting goes off the rails. The characters aren't likeable, and the storytelling and aesop just stinks to high heaven. They messed up bad here. Very bad. EightDeadlyWords doesn't do this episode justice. This is a garbage episode.

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** Tropers/Spanks: Much like A Friend in Deed, the direct predecessor to this episode, Putting Your Hoof Down suffers from a lot of Designated Heroism which makes it (and many other MLP episodes like it) suck. If there is anything I will not stand for in this show, it's hypocrisy and Designated Heroism. God forbid we actually have our favorite adorable little ponies out to be wrong. You want to sympathetic with Fluttershy, but then she takes her training too far and turns into a bitch, you probably want be sympathetic with Rarity and Pinkie Pie, but then [[{{Hypocrite}} they're no better]], swindling and conning people, (Not to mention, Pinkie Pie has no issues whatsoever about taking advantage of Fluttershy's kindness in the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime very next episode]]), which brings me to the very next problem. Instead of doing the responsible thing, [[DesignatedHero Rarity and Pinkie]] (and the plot) just say [[DesignatedVillain Iron Will]] is the bad guy. Why? How is he the bad guy? Because he ran a real legitimate business, and in the end he didn't want to be cheated and just happened to be rude? [[FantasticRacism Or is it because he's a big, hulking minotaur]] and a not a cute little bright colored sparkly-eyed pony? When the "villain" is without question the ''most'' sympathetic ''most sympathetic'' character, you know you messed up big time. As said many times before, this episode is just bad. The story and setting goes off the rails. The characters aren't likeable, and the storytelling and aesop just stinks to high heaven. They messed up bad here. Very bad. EightDeadlyWords doesn't do this episode justice. This is a garbage episode.
29th Mar '16 12:00:26 PM Spanks
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** Tropers/Spanks: Much like A Friend in Deed, the direct predecessor to this episode, Putting Your Hoof Down suffers from a lot of Designated Heroism which makes it (and many other MLP episodes like it) suck. If there is anything I will not stand for in this show, it's hypocrisy and Designated Heroism. God forbid we actually have our favorite adorable little ponies out to be wrong. You want to sympathetic with Fluttershy, but then she takes her training too far and turns into a bitch, you probably want be sympathetic with Rarity and Pinkie Pie, but then [[{{Hypocrite}} they're no better]], being assholes themselves in the beginning of the episode, swindling and conning people (Not to mention, Pinkie Pie has no qualms about taking advantage of Fluttershy in the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime very next episode]]), which brings me to the very next problem. Instead of doing the responsible thing, Rarity and Pinkie (and the plot) just say Iron Will is the bad guy. Why? How is he the bad guy? Because he ran a real legitimate business, and in the end he didn't want to be cheated and just happened to be rude? When the "villain" is the most sympathetic and likable character in an episode where you're tackling assertiveness and assholery, you know you messed up. As said many times before, this episode is just bad. The story and setting goes off the rails. The characters aren't likeable, and the storytelling and aesop just stinks to high heaven. They messed up bad here. Very bad.

to:

** Tropers/Spanks: Much like A Friend in Deed, the direct predecessor to this episode, Putting Your Hoof Down suffers from a lot of Designated Heroism which makes it (and many other MLP episodes like it) suck. If there is anything I will not stand for in this show, it's hypocrisy and Designated Heroism. God forbid we actually have our favorite adorable little ponies out to be wrong. You want to sympathetic with Fluttershy, but then she takes her training too far and turns into a bitch, you probably want be sympathetic with Rarity and Pinkie Pie, but then [[{{Hypocrite}} they're no better]], being assholes themselves in the beginning of the episode, swindling and conning people people, (Not to mention, Pinkie Pie has no qualms issues whatsoever about taking advantage of Fluttershy Fluttershy's kindness in the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime very next episode]]), which brings me to the very next problem. Instead of doing the responsible thing, [[DesignatedHero Rarity and Pinkie Pinkie]] (and the plot) just say [[DesignatedVillain Iron Will Will]] is the bad guy. Why? How is he the bad guy? Because he ran a real legitimate business, and in the end he didn't want to be cheated and just happened to be rude? When the "villain" is without question the most ''most'' sympathetic and likable character in an episode where you're tackling assertiveness and assholery, character, you know you messed up.up big time. As said many times before, this episode is just bad. The story and setting goes off the rails. The characters aren't likeable, and the storytelling and aesop just stinks to high heaven. They messed up bad here. Very bad. EightDeadlyWords doesn't do this episode justice. This is a garbage episode.
29th Mar '16 11:22:13 AM Spanks
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26th Mar '16 1:35:45 PM Peridonyx
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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: I mostly like this finale, except for one thing -- Starlight suddenly being being some sort of magical demigoddess that can give Twilight (both an Alicorn and the Element of Magic), Star Swirl (Celestia's and Luna's established mentor in the books), etc. a run for their bits, and with no real explanation given other than just "She has so much potential". Even more glaring is her suddenly figuring out how to alter history multiple times, something even Discord admitted to being unable to do even once in Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue24. While her HeelFaceTurn is indeed a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, she's still the closest thing to a VillainSue in the history of the series (unless the writers expand upon her backstory regarding her magic -- and not in some AssPull fashion, either).

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** Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: I mostly like this finale, except for one thing -- Starlight suddenly being being some sort of magical demigoddess that can give Twilight (both an Alicorn and the Element of Magic), Star Swirl (Celestia's and Luna's established mentor in the books), etc. a run for their bits, and with no real explanation given other than just "She has so much potential". Even more glaring is her suddenly figuring out how to alter history multiple times, something even Discord admitted to being unable to do even once in Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue24.''Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue24''. While her HeelFaceTurn is indeed a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, she's still the closest thing to a VillainSue in the history of the series (unless the writers expand upon her backstory regarding her magic -- and not in some AssPull fashion, either).
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