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18th Jun '18 8:48:28 PM LightTigerGrandPrix
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** Tropers/LightTigerGrandPrix: I'm afraid I must agree. Whenever I think about this movie, I feel bitter and disappointed because we know the My Little Pony team can write better than this for their standard television episodes. I just get the feeling that, in terms of writing, nobody really cared, and that they relief on brand recognition instead of a compelling story. The factors that this is, more or less, just a standard "hero's adventure" story and the characters were barely fleshed out or utilized-when they weren't being complete idiots for the sake of the plot, looking at you, Rainbow Dash-make this feel more like a Season One episode than a theatrical release. And the factor that such beautiful animation, lovely music and splendid voice acting was coupled to a story of this lackluster quality is just...ugh.

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** *** Tropers/LightTigerGrandPrix: I'm afraid I must agree. Whenever I think about this movie, I feel bitter and disappointed because we know the My Little Pony team can write better than this for their standard television episodes. I just get the feeling that, in terms of writing, nobody really cared, and that they relief on brand recognition instead of a compelling story. The factors that this is, more or less, is just a standard "hero's adventure" story and the characters were barely fleshed out or utilized-when they weren't being complete idiots for the sake of the plot, looking at you, Rainbow Dash-make utilized make this feel more like a Season One episode than a theatrical release. And the factor that such beautiful animation, lovely music and splendid voice acting was coupled to a story of this lackluster quality is just...ugh.
18th Jun '18 8:45:19 PM LightTigerGrandPrix
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** Tropers/LightTigerGrandPrix: I'm afraid I must agree. Whenever I think about this movie, I feel bitter and disappointed because we know the My Little Pony team can write better than this for their standard television episodes. I just get the feeling that, in terms of writing, nobody really cared, and that they relief on brand recognition instead of a compelling story. The factors that this is, more or less, just a standard "hero's adventure" story and the characters were barely fleshed out or utilized-when they weren't being complete idiots for the sake of the plot, looking at you, Rainbow Dash-make this feel more like a Season One episode than a theatrical release. And the factor that such beautiful animation, lovely music and splendid voice acting was coupled to a story of this lackluster quality is just...ugh.
12th Jun '18 6:07:37 PM Benthelame
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** ''Troper/{{Benthelame}}:'' Going with this episode (both parts) too albeit for differing reasons. The rules leave me unable to address the problem as a whole and thus restrict us to moments, so I'm just going to go with the moment the Pony Of Shadows got released. Why? It doesn't do anything substantial. It looks better than most villains that the show has had over the years but that's literally its only strength. I shall elaborate further: In this episode, we find out that Starswirl the Bearded, the legendary wizard that has been mentioned since season one, is alive and what's he doing? He's restricting an evil so big, so powerful, so completely and utterly dangerous that the only choice is to seal himself and his buddies in Limbo along with it to make sure it doesn't destroy Equestria. I thought we were getting the MLP FIM equivalent of [[WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack Aku]] here., but nope. The moment the Pony of Shadows is released it sends a few blasts of dark magic at all present, darkens the sky a little, eventually leaves to recover lost power and our heroines are left relatively undisturbed to rifle through books and figure out how to stop him. Literally, there's no interference from him beyond that. The conclusion they come to? Let's seal it away again. You really needed to go home and rifle through old books to come up with that one? Really? By the time they arrive to do it, Our "villain" hasn't even finished "regaining power" (which apparently consists of [[OrcusOnHisThrone standing around doing absolutely nothing in a musty creepy place.]] At least Tirek had the sense to keep draining magic.) and our ultimate solution involves nothing other than "Pull the pony with the insanely fragile feelings and the pathetic thousand year old grudge out of the black gook." [[SarcasmMode Thanks.]]

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** ''Troper/{{Benthelame}}:'' ''Tropers/{{Benthelame}}:'' Going with this episode (both parts) too albeit for differing reasons. The rules leave me unable to address the problem as a whole and thus restrict us to moments, so I'm just going to go with the moment the Pony Of Shadows got released. Why? It doesn't do anything substantial. It looks better than most villains that the show has had over the years but that's literally its only strength. I shall elaborate further: In this episode, we find out that Starswirl the Bearded, the legendary wizard that has been mentioned since season one, is alive and what's he doing? He's restricting an evil so big, so powerful, so completely and utterly dangerous that the only choice is to seal himself and his buddies in Limbo along with it to make sure it doesn't destroy Equestria. I thought we were getting the MLP FIM equivalent of [[WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack Aku]] here., here, but nope. The moment the Pony of Shadows is released it sends a few blasts of dark magic at all present, darkens the sky a little, eventually leaves to recover lost power and our heroines are left relatively undisturbed to rifle through books and figure out how to stop him. Literally, there's no interference from him beyond that. The conclusion they come to? Let's seal it away again. You really needed to go home and rifle through old books to come up with that one? Really? By the time they arrive to do it, Our "villain" hasn't even finished "regaining power" (which apparently consists of [[OrcusOnHisThrone standing around doing absolutely nothing in a musty creepy place.]] At least Tirek had the sense to keep draining magic.) and our ultimate solution involves nothing other than "Pull the pony with the insanely fragile feelings and the pathetic thousand year old grudge out of the black gook." [[SarcasmMode Thanks.]]
10th Jun '18 10:52:00 PM mightymewtron
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** {{@/MightyMewtron}}: What I hate about Starlight's redemption is how it's really just crammed into the one musical number at the end of the episode. Sunset Shimmer needed the entire [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks sequel movie]] to redeem herself after her horrible behavior. Twilight refused to forgive Trixie after she terrorized a town. Discord still has ponies distrust him ''five seasons'' after his redemption arc began. So why is Starlight so EasilyForgiven so fast, and is in fact ''rewarded'' for her magical ability by becoming Twilight's student and never punished in any form? The worst part is probably when she returns to her village, and the ponies there welcome her back with open arms, [[AngstWhatAngst without any of them showing any signs of fear or trauma that would be way more accurate to somebody who essentially brainwashed and abused you into repressing your whole personality for years.]] The fact that we're supposed to pity ''her'' in later episodes for expecting the village ponies to hate her is completely unfair, and anybody who admits that the village ponies would be totally justified for that is brushed off! In addition, her personality feels totally warped from this episode on, which sucks because her ability to manipulate ponies into following her ideology was [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a really interesting and unique villain concept.]] They threw that to the wayside for a generic "overpowered magical villain who hates friendship," then threw it all away for the remorseful but far too easily liked redeemed villain.
7th Jun '18 3:17:16 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It 'til You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.\\
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(And just to rub salt in the wound, later on down the line we get an episode about Suri Polomare. Yeah. Her. But still no Coco in sight.)

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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It 'til You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.\\
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(And just to rub salt in the wound, later on down the line we get an episode about Suri Polomare. Yeah. Her. But still no Coco in sight.)
3rd Jun '18 1:23:01 AM Midna
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It 'til You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.

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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It 'til You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever. \\
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(And just to rub salt in the wound, later on down the line we get an episode about Suri Polomare. Yeah. Her. But still no Coco in sight.)
13th May '18 2:15:11 PM StFan
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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were ''always civil'' to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. ''Twilight didn't do that''. To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.

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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were ''always civil'' to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. ''Twilight didn't do that''. To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf (lone wolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.
5th May '18 5:16:59 AM Ferigeras
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** Tropers/{{Ferigeras}}: For the most part I was alright with this finale. I did kind of enjoy the timelines that were showcased (even if they were blatant FanficFuel) and especially all the cameos of the previous villains (Although I would have really loved to see more of Tirek). But it has one critical moment I really despise, and something that in retrospect makes some of the earlier episodes hard to watch. What I consider to be this show's [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck Dethroning Moment]] is how Rainbow Dash failing to perform her first Sonic Rainboom was this critical to this plot, and what would have happened to Equestria as an effect. Now I do respect the fact that they touched on an early episode the way they did, but what really bothered me was the fact that it's this SINGLE event that the ''entirety of Equestria'' somehow depended on... I just can't get behind that. To be fair, they did attempt to explain this as being some kind of "Butterfly Effect", but this was just exaggerating it in the worst way possible. I mean sure, "The Cutie Mark Chronicles" showed how this event linked the Mane 6 together, but for that one friendship to mean everything for the fate of Equestria as a whole is almost incomprehensible... and no, them being the "Elements of Harmony" is simply no excuse as there could have easily been other ponies with similiar devotions if something like this were ever to happen. But really now, according to this finale, if the Mane 6 weren't... the Mane 6, all those villains we have seen would have succeeded in their schemes and all of Equestria would have been devastated in one way or another, which can easily be qualified as one of the most contrived and stupid cases of EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce ever. And let's not forget how it basically implies that the Mane 6 in general are the ''only'' things capable of keeping Equestria peaceful. If that was the case, how the hell did Equestria even last this long under such circumstances?

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** Tropers/{{Ferigeras}}: Xiristatos: For the most part I was alright with this finale. I did kind of enjoy the timelines that were showcased (even if they were blatant FanficFuel) and especially all the cameos of the previous villains (Although I would have really loved to see more of Tirek). But it has one critical moment I really despise, and something that in retrospect makes some of the earlier episodes hard to watch. What I consider to be this show's [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck Dethroning Moment]] is how Rainbow Dash failing to perform her first Sonic Rainboom was this critical to this plot, and what would have happened to Equestria as an effect. Now I do respect the fact that they touched on an early episode the way they did, but what really bothered me was the fact that it's this SINGLE event that the ''entirety of Equestria'' somehow depended on... I just can't get behind that. To be fair, they did attempt to explain this as being some kind of "Butterfly Effect", but this was just exaggerating it in the worst way possible. I mean sure, "The Cutie Mark Chronicles" showed how this event linked the Mane 6 together, but for that one friendship to mean everything for the fate of Equestria as a whole is almost incomprehensible... and no, them being the "Elements of Harmony" is simply no excuse as there could have easily been other ponies with similiar devotions if something like this were ever to happen. But really now, according to this finale, if the Mane 6 weren't... the Mane 6, all those villains we have seen would have succeeded in their schemes and all of Equestria would have been devastated in one way or another, which can easily be qualified as one of the most contrived and stupid cases of EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce ever. And let's not forget how it basically implies that the Mane 6 in general are the ''only'' things capable of keeping Equestria peaceful. If that was the case, how the hell did Equestria even last this long under such circumstances?
12th Apr '18 4:55:34 PM Midna
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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?//
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It Till You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.

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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?//
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r-right?\\
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It Till 'til You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.
12th Apr '18 9:00:12 AM Midna
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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?

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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?r-right?//
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It Till You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.
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