History DethroningMoment / MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

6th Feb '16 10:22:09 PM Ninja857142
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** Tropers/{{Ninja857142}}: For me, it wasn't that Starlight was overpowered (she didn't really seem more powerful than Twilight). It wasn't that her backstory was shallow (one could argue the same for other villains). It wasn't even all the horrible things she did; I think everyone who is truly repentant and willing to change can receive forgiveness and redemption. The real moment for me is the reason why Starlight stood down: [[ItsAllAboutMe herself]]. Even when faced with the possibility of destroying Equestria and killing everyone, that wasn't enough to convince Starlight. Instead, she just went and appealed to a FreudianExcuse, and then she flat-out denied the apocalypse, [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that it was just something Twilight "showed" her (whatever else that could have been)]]. Twilight only talks her down by telling her how [[ItsAllAboutMe she]] can make things better for [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] life by making [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] own new friends who will stay with [[ItsAllAboutMe her]]. She comes off as only standing down for purely selfish reasons, as opposed to caring about how she's hurting others, or the risk of destroying Equestria! It completely distorts the idea and point of friendship. While I do believe the writers can swing this around, right now, this is my Dethroning Moment.
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** Tropers/{{Ninja857142}}: For me, it wasn't that Starlight was overpowered (she didn't really seem more powerful than Twilight). It wasn't that her backstory was shallow (one could argue the same for other villains). It wasn't even all the horrible things she did; I think everyone who is truly repentant and willing to change can receive forgiveness and redemption. The real moment for me reason I think [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic so many fans dislike Starlight]] is the reason why Starlight stood down: [[ItsAllAboutMe herself]]. Even when faced with the possibility of destroying Equestria and killing everyone, Equestria, that wasn't enough to convince Starlight. Instead, she just went and appealed to a FreudianExcuse, and then she flat-out denied the apocalypse, [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that it was just something Twilight "showed" her (whatever else that could have been)]]. Twilight only talks her down by telling her how [[ItsAllAboutMe she]] can make things better for [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] life by making [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] own new friends who will stay with [[ItsAllAboutMe her]]. She comes off as only standing down for purely selfish reasons, as opposed to caring about how she's hurting others, or the risk of destroying Equestria! Equestria and killing everyone! It doesn't seem like a genuine HeelFaceTurn at all, and it completely distorts the idea and point of friendship. While I do believe the writers can swing this around, right now, this is my Dethroning Moment.
6th Feb '16 10:07:37 PM Ninja857142
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** Tropers/{{Ninja857142}}: For me, it wasn't that Starlight was overpowered (she didn't really seem more powerful than Twilight). It wasn't that her backstory was shallow (one could argue the same for other villains). It wasn't even all the horrible things she did; I think everyone who is truly repentant and willing to change can receive forgiveness and redemption. The real moment for me is the reason why Starlight stood down: [[ItsAllAboutMe herself]]. Even when faced with the possibility of destroying Equestria and killing everyone, that wasn't enough to convince Starlight. Instead, she just went and appealed to a FreudianExcuse, and then she flat-out denied the apocalypse, [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that it was just something Twilight "showed" her (whatever else that could have been)]]. Twilight only talks her down by telling her how [[ItsAllAboutMe she]] can make things better for [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] life by making [[ItsAllAboutMe her]] own new friends who will stay with [[ItsAllAboutMe her]]. She comes off as only standing down for purely selfish reasons, as opposed to caring about how she's hurting others, or the risk of destroying Equestria! It completely distorts the idea and point of friendship. While I do believe the writers can swing this around, right now, this is my Dethroning Moment.
22nd Jan '16 6:07:05 PM ANTMuddle
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''"Dear Princess Celestia, today I learned to prevent these horrible, awful, and shoddy [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck moments of massive dethroning suck]] from ever happening."''
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''"Dear Princess Celestia, today I learned to prevent these horrible, awful, and shoddy [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck moments of massive dethroning suck]] from ever happening.happening again."''
15th Jan '16 1:09:42 PM Anddrix
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** Tropers/SoulfulGinger17: Personally, this was a SoOkItsAverage episode overall, but I'd feel better if I got this off my chest: This would have been a great episode for Scootaloo to earn her Cutie Mark. After all the CharacterDevelopment she's gotten, she's finally earned it, but [[SarcasmMode nope, because then the Spotlight Stealing Squad loses their gimmick.]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Come on, one of the [=CMC=] earns her Mark, and could be a great assistance to helping her friends earn theirs?]] [[ViewersAreMorons There's no way the viewers would like that!]] So instead as always in this show, StatusQuoIsGod is invoked. We are now four seasons in, and these girls are still no closer to getting their Cutie Marks than they were when they started. It's like Ash from Pokemon winning a non-filler tournament, I'm getting less and less optimistic about this subplot. Sorry if this is too ranty, but I'm really growing tired of this subplot.
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** Tropers/SoulfulGinger17: Personally, this was a SoOkItsAverage episode overall, but I'd feel better if I got this off my chest: This would have been a great episode for Scootaloo to earn her Cutie Mark. After all the CharacterDevelopment she's gotten, she's finally earned it, but [[SarcasmMode nope, because then the Spotlight Stealing Squad loses their gimmick.]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Come on, one of the [=CMC=] earns her Mark, and could be a great assistance to helping her friends earn theirs?]] [[ViewersAreMorons There's no way the viewers would like that!]] that! So instead as always in this show, StatusQuoIsGod is invoked. We are now four seasons in, and these girls are still no closer to getting their Cutie Marks than they were when they started. It's like Ash from Pokemon winning a non-filler tournament, I'm getting less and less optimistic about this subplot. Sorry if this is too ranty, but I'm really growing tired of this subplot.
29th Dec '15 6:43:16 PM crazysamaritan
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removing Wall Banger wicks
** @/{{luchog}} The overall episode has a seriously BrokenAesop. It seems to be "Accept whatever your friends tell you, even if it doesn't make any sense, and even if it violates everything you know about how the world works, and don't bother trying to confirm or understand it". The entire episode seems tailor made to promote unquestioning acceptance of pseudoscience and mysticism, attack and invalidate science and skepticism, and portray skeptics as unreasonable or outright idiotic. That's a pretty big WallBanger on it's own; but what makes this truly [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentofSuck sucktastic]] is that WordOfGod says that they did not actually intend to make that the {{Aesop}}, and admit to the brokenness.
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** @/{{luchog}} The overall episode has a seriously BrokenAesop. It seems to be "Accept whatever your friends tell you, even if it doesn't make any sense, and even if it violates everything you know about how the world works, and don't bother trying to confirm or understand it". The entire episode seems tailor made to promote unquestioning acceptance of pseudoscience and mysticism, attack and invalidate science and skepticism, and portray skeptics as unreasonable or outright idiotic. That's a pretty big WallBanger wallbanger on it's own; but what makes this truly [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentofSuck sucktastic]] is that WordOfGod says that they did not actually intend to make that the {{Aesop}}, and admit to the brokenness.
27th Dec '15 9:26:00 PM PrincessTogezo
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cut per TRS
For smaller moments, or a piece of minor development or plot that isn't quite a DMOS, go to the show's [[WallBangers/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Wall Bangers]] page, which can have multiple entries added without being signed.
22nd Dec '15 8:27:36 PM MsCC93
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** Tropers/{{MsCC93}}: I agree 50% with Tempus22. In my opinion, I think Starlight had every single right to feel bitter and heartbroken over her lost friend (even though I don't agree with her actions), but the writers should have added more depth into her FreudianExcuse. It did make Starlight look petty when she confessed why she did the things she did.
21st Dec '15 2:25:14 PM MsCC93
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Removing my childish post.
*** Tropers/MsCC93: I'm guessing you had a lot of friends growing up then? True her retribution was ridiculous an overreaction, but some people hate losing friends with a passion. I hate that "friends come and go" bullshit excuse. You're whole "get over it" attitude fucks me off, honestly.
21st Dec '15 1:25:14 PM MsCC93
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*** Tropers/MsCC93: I'm guessing you had a lot of friends growing up then? True her retribution was ridiculous an overreaction, but some people hate losing friends with a passion. I hate that "friends come and go" bullshit excuse.
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*** Tropers/MsCC93: I'm guessing you had a lot of friends growing up then? True her retribution was ridiculous an overreaction, but some people hate losing friends with a passion. I hate that "friends come and go" bullshit excuse. You're whole "get over it" attitude fucks me off, honestly.
21st Dec '15 1:19:50 PM MsCC93
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*** Tropers/MsCC93: I'm guessing you had a lot of friends growing up then? True her retribution was ridiculous an overreaction, but some people hate losing friends with a passion. I hate that "friends come and go" bullshit excuse.
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