History DethroningMoment / MylittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

12th Apr '18 4:55:34 PM Midna
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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?//
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It Till You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.

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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?//
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r-right?\\
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It Till 'til You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.
12th Apr '18 9:00:12 AM Midna
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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?

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The salt meets the wound when you realize that this is the only time Coco is so much as mentioned in the entirety of Season 7. Nope, no physical appearances at all. That Rarity episode you're hoping for where she'll show up and melt your heart again? Not happening. You Coco fans are getting a passing mention so she can make a fool of herself and the sweet farm girl can mock her in an uncharacteristically mean way, and dammit, you're gonna like it. Oh, but don't worry--she gets a very few blink-and-you'll-miss-them, voiceless cameos in the movie! That makes up for everything, right? ... r-right?r-right?//
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No? It doesn't make up for that at all? Well then, just you wait till Season 8, where we'll give you the ultimate insult--a Manehattan episode with [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome no Coco at all]]! Yeah, you heard right. Instead of turning to a trusted friend who she knows is passionate about fashion and has the skills to back it up, Rarity turns to Fluttershy of all ponies in ''Fake It Till You Make It''. Meaning that disgusting, mean-spirited, off-handed reference we got in this trash fire is not just the last we're hearing of poor Miss Pommel that season, it's the last we're hearing of her period. My interest in the series had been waning for quite some time, but the show just had to hit me where it hurts by removing the one thing about it that still held my interest. Goodbye, Coco Pommel, and goodbye, ''Friendship is Magic''. It was nice knowing the both of you, but nothing lasts forever.
6th Apr '18 8:29:08 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** @/{{Psychopulse}}: Ponyville Confidental started off okay in the beginning, but once they're exposed as Gabby Gums, everything goes downhill. Even though what the CMC did was wrong, they showed no sympathy and were basically being a bunch of pricks and hypocrites who are never called out on their actions for enjoying the column in the first place, making it a BrokenAesop. Besides that, some of the actions were uncalled for, especially Rainbow Dash's raining on them. Really, the entire moment reeked of DudeNotFunny. The apology letter was a cop out way to end it all, which didn't perk up the mood even after Diamond Tiara gets punished for her actions. Thanks a lot, writers. I hope you never make another episode like this again.

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** @/{{Psychopulse}}: Ponyville Confidental started off okay in the beginning, but once they're exposed as Gabby Gums, everything goes downhill. Even though what the CMC did was wrong, they showed no sympathy and were basically being a bunch of pricks and hypocrites who are never called out on their actions for enjoying the column in the first place, making it a BrokenAesop. Besides that, some of the actions were uncalled for, especially Rainbow Dash's raining on them. Really, the entire moment reeked of DudeNotFunny. The apology letter was a cop out way to end it all, which didn't perk up the mood even after Diamond Tiara gets punished for her actions. Thanks a lot, writers. I hope you never make another episode like this again.
3rd Apr '18 2:48:59 PM zoopyDoopy
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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were ''always civil'' to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. ''Twilight didn't do that''.
To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing.
The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.

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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were ''always civil'' to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. ''Twilight didn't do that''.
that''. To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. \n The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.
3rd Apr '18 2:48:09 PM zoopyDoopy
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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company.
However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that.

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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company.
company. However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil ''always civil'' to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight ''Twilight didn't do that.that''.
3rd Apr '18 2:46:40 PM zoopyDoopy
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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things.\\
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Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company.\\
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However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes.\\
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In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing.\\
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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things.\\
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Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company.\\
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company.
However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes.\\
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In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. that.
To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing.\\
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3rd Apr '18 2:44:44 PM zoopyDoopy
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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. \\

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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. \\



Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company.

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Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company.\\



However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight.

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However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes.\\



This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes.

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This isn't helped by In other words, the fact episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that Twilight, one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the flashbacks with other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, really wanted Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting in particular to spend time) with show up). Not to mention, Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance between her and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes.Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing.\\



In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that.
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To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing.
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3rd Apr '18 2:43:00 PM zoopyDoopy
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Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. \\

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Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. \\



However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. \\

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However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. \\



This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. \\

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This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. \\



In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. \\

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In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. \\



To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. \\

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To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. \\
3rd Apr '18 2:41:48 PM zoopyDoopy
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\\Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. \\
\\ However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. \\
\\ This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. \\
\\ In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. \\
\\ To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. \\
\\ The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.

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Then
the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. \\
\\ \\
However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. \\
\\ \\
This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. \\
\\ \\
In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. \\
\\ \\
To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. \\
\\ \\
The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.
3rd Apr '18 2:40:28 PM zoopyDoopy
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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things.

Then the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company.

However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight.

This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes.

In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one friend who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that.

To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing.

The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.

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** zoopyDoopy: For me it's Season 5's 'Amending Fences'. At the start Spike accidentally makes Twilight freak out by implying she was a bad friend back before she moved, so she goes on a trip to try and make it up to all her old pals. When she gets there she finds the vast majority of her friends didn't even take it personally, as they all laugh it off. To me, this was entirely the right and normal reaction to have - rewatch the scene from the first episode and Twilight doesn't seem like any of the other ponies' friends - she's an acquaintance at best, given that she constantly turns down their invitations in favour of doing other things. \n\nThen \\
\\Then
the episode introduces Moondancer, a recluse who does nothing but study, much like Twilight herself used to. My first problem is that Twilight (while she obviously wants to make it up to her old acquaintance) won't leave her alone, so the series comes off as implying it's wrong to be devoted to a craft/study if you don't socialise, or it's wrong to prefer your own company. \n\n \\
\\
However, the real DMOS for me was later on, when Twilight realises it was her turning down going to the party that caused Moondancer to clam up. For me that's a problem because 1. Twilight WAS doing something more important - she went on to stop Nightmare Moon and 2. the episode (in Twilight and Moondancer's reactions) put all the blame for Moondancer shutting down on Twilight. \n\n \\
\\
This isn't helped by the fact that Twilight, in all the flashbacks with Moondancer as foals, is never shown as being like her friend, just her classmate. Apart from that one photograph Spike took, Twilight is never shown spending time (or wanting to spend time) with Moondancer outside of class. In these scenes and episode 1, in which Moondancer doesn't even appear (we'll get back to that), Twilight behaves like an acquaintance and not a friend, and her not even being able to remember her supposed 'friends' names says volumes. \n\n \\
\\
In other words, the episode makes it seem as though introversion and preferring other hobbies/pursuits to making friends is always wrong, as there will always be that one friend person who takes it personally and makes their feelings your responsibility even if you were always civil to them (as Twilight was) and never did anything to give them the false idea that you were interested in friendship. Saying Twilight had a reputation as a bad friend feels unearned - a bad friend would be someone who pretended like they were someone's friend and agreed to go to [insert social event here], only to blow it off. Twilight didn't do that. \n\n \\
\\
To make matters worse, this party that was a big deal to Moondancer, that she herself threw? She didn't invite Twilight to it personally, all the other ponies did, which made it seem more like the invite was given in passing, rather than how the episode played it (that Moondancer really wanted Twilight in particular to show up). Not to mention, Moondancer had three other attendees all quite willing to be her friend! For her meltdown to be sympathetic I really needed more in the episode between her and Twilight, because as it is it resembles Starlight Glimmer syndrome in reactions/character writing. \n\n \\
\\
The intended aesop is obviously well-intentioned: be considerate of other's feelings, even if it's something you think is no big deal yourself, but it's done to the extent that the series is implying you have to take total responsibility for other's feelings even at the cost of your own personal preferences (LoneWolf Twilight, if they'd let her stay that way, obviously preferred her own space and books over a lot of studying, which I think is totally fine in moderation and is something the show has tried to represent before in a Friend Indeed). Introverts are often made the bad guy in shows, or have to change fundamentally, and this was just another example of it in how Twilight's old self is treated. The sole saving grace for me was the other ponies reacting more appropriately to Twilight's apology, and the great character animation in Twilight's expressions that show how much her confidence has grown.
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