"The Lamborghini; what you're saying is it would be better, if it were a bit worse?"
— Clarkson to Hammond on Top Gear.
So Bad, It's Good can be popular to the point that a whole fandom can arise out of a mocked work. This is the magic of Camp, in that even if the writers weren't trying to be tacitly absurd, it's still possible to get a lot of legitimate enjoyment and laughs out of it if the writing is bad enough. Sometimes, though, a copyright holder will try to fix the image of the So Bad, It's Good franchise by trying to give it a Reboot. The purpose being, hopefully, to make what once was Camp serious drama. When this falls by the wayside, the viewers get a poor result. The show is no longer So Bad, It's Good, but now it's So Okay, It's Average. In other words, a thorough "meh". Still bad, but not so bad that it's fun to mock anymore. This is also a common reaction to the patching of bad games that had a saving grace in the form of Good Bad Bugs. More often than not, said bugs are the easiest things to fix, and so the fun to be had in thoroughly breaking the game is removed by the patch, while the more deeply ingrained mediocrity of such a game often remains. Even good games can get this reaction if the bugs were fun enough to play with, resulting in that aspect of the game falling into this trope. This is only for fans who honestly felt the original sucked So Bad, It's Good. If the fans didn't think the original sucked, or if they honestly liked features that were removed on their own merits — or if nostalgia means that they just hate change — then that belongs under They Changed It, Now It Sucks and Nostalgia Filter instead. This is, to a great extent, incredibly subjective. Note that the perceptions listed here are general perceptions of a work as a whole. Contrast Narm Charm. This is the lack — more specifically, the loss — thereof. Also see Genre Throwback, which may or may not result in one of these. Compare It's Popular, Now It Sucks.
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Anime and Manga
- With the switch from traditional to digital animation, it became much easier (and cheaper) for animation studios to fix mistakes. Nowadays, anime series will often have scenes - or on rare occasions entire episodes - cleaned up in the time between TV broadcast and the home video release. Fans usually welcome this. But, sometimes there's a show like Musashi Gundoh, whose popularity is based entirely on how hilariously awful it is. When the animators go back and fix the mistakes, fans complain because they considered the terrible animation a big part of its charm.
- The Latin American dub of Saint Seiya had a completely different (and worse, and much more fun) opening. When the series were re-released, the opening was changed to a translated version of "Pegasus Fantasy". Old-school fans (90% of the whole) didn't like it.
- The first dub of AKIRA was a rather liberal English version distributed by Carl Macek's Streamline Pictures in the 1980's. However, in 2001, a new dub was recorded, featuring a fresh and more accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue, and arguably better acting... ironically, the dub was dismissed by old-school fans as inferior to the original English dub. Which is ironic, because neither director Katsuhiro Otomo, Streamline, nor even Macek were pleased with the original dub.
- The same is true for the ancient '80s dub of Castle in the Sky, although that version isn't as widely known as its few defenders will attempt to make you believe.
- The English dub of Angel Blade gives all the women rounded even tones... including Karin, which isn't ravingly bad per se, but it loses its narmy goodness in the process.
- The Ocean dub of Dragonball Z has a huge number of fans, despite its strict adherence to Never Say "Die". The BGM and Vegeta's hammy voice (and Memetic Mutation) are what make people prefer it.
- Many fans of Weiß Kreuz prefer to ignore its sequel series Weiß Kreuz Glühen, whether in spite of or because of Glühen's significantly higher production values, more serious and less episodic plot, and better dub. The change of all of the main character designs due to legal issues and the large amounts of story buildup and character development only covered on Drama CDs not available to Western audiences didn't help, but one of the major complaints regarding Glühen is that its more serious plot is too dark and depressing, and that it fails to capture the Narm Charm of the original.
- The Viz Media dub of Sailor Moon is victim to this from people who watched the DiC dub in their childhoods. If you watch some of the sample clips on Youtube, you'll see complaints such as Mamoru calling Usagi "bunhead" instead of "meatball head," or Luna not having a British accent.
- Some fans of the tamer, pun-laden dub of Pokémon, were disappointed by the straight video game adaptation Pokémon Origins for not being cheesy.
- In a similar vein, a fair amount of fans dislike the XY Mega Evolution Specials for their more serious stories and the older lead of Alain; preferring the more idealistic take on the series with Ash.
- The character of Frank Drake in 1970s Marvel Comic The Tomb of Dracula was originally an emasculated neurotic and certified wimp when it came to women and anything else for that matter. His more mature self, as seen in the 1990s Nightstalkers, is your typical sanest member of the group. But that's because he's a cardboard Ghostbuster clone without the comedy part. Actually without a personality of any type.
- Speedball was a 60's comic character created in the 80's, with all the Narm you could shake a stick at. His power was just being able to bounce really well, and the less said about his costume, the better. Mocking him was par for the course among fans. Then came the "Civil War" storyline, in which his inability to save a school full of kids led him to change, his powers now being activated by pain, and he changes his name to Penance, complete with an Iron-Maiden-like costume, becoming a full-on '90s Anti-Hero. No one liked it, and after a while, the old, silly Speedball returned.
- Star Trek Fan Fiction writer Stephen Ratliff once wrote an update to his Marissa Picard story Time Speeder called Athena Prospects. Anyone who has read both stories knows that Athena Prospects is a much better story than Time Speeder, although it's still pretty bad. Time Speeder, by contrast, is way more fun to read because all the incredibly stupid stuff is in it. Such as the two villains checking into hotels as James Kirk and Jean-Luc Picard. In a universe where all the Star Trek shows are accurate foretelling of the future (!) or when Saddam Hussein takes over the entire Middle East in a throwaway line.
- The chapters of The Prayer Warriors written by Thomas are chock-full of embarrassing spelling errors, unbelievably awkward dialogue, heavy-handed and rather disturbing preaching slapping the reader in the face every other word, and just plain lazy writing. The chapters written by Ebony are... kinda okay, with a little less religious themes, slightly improved spelling, and actually listening to bad reviews instead of just screaming about the fires of hell. The chapters written by Thomas are a lot more fun to read because of this.
- The Neon Genesis Evangelion fanfic Delta Invasion is an honored favorite among the community for how nonsensical and shameless it is. When the author pulled it from the sites it was hosted on and replaced it with "Gates of Oblivion", it was just as poorly written and self-serving, except it no longer had the spelling and grammar errors and sheer audacity that made the original so much fun to read.
- Transformers Beast Wars fanfic author William A. Renfield was quite popular for his early Echowarrior fanfics on the TF usenet group alt.toys.transformers in the late 90s...mostly because they were horrible self insertion schlock. Hey, he was 12. Fast forward to WAR's material 6-7 years later now as a young adult, which had settled into the mediocre range...and zero people caring about it.
- Birdemic is terrible to a legendary degree. Awful acting, awful scripting, awful effects. It's a disaster in every possible way, and it's perhaps the perfect movie for people who like movies that are the exact opposite of perfect. Then, a couple of years later, a sequel came out. Unlike many examples on this page, Birdemic 2: The Resurrection is actually really terrible, as well. However, Birdemic 2 is terrible on purpose. Now that he had an actual budget, James Nguyen was clearly spent it all trying to make the sequel equally bad, but it just ended up feeling forced and overly self-referential, and it was a lot less fun to watch.
- The Ang Lee-directed Hulk tried to be serious, but some people felt it had cheesy lines, poor acting, an awful pace, and dodgy effects (such as bouncy tanks) which to them, made the film become a humorous example of So Bad, It's Good. Then the second film actually didn't suck and was instead... watchable. Good if you're a fan of the film, not so good if you enjoyed laughing at it. Then again, a similar argument could be made for those who preferred the charm of the low-budget TV series over the first big-budget movie's excesses.
- The original Death Race 2000 was great, schlocky, over-the-top Roger Corman-esque fare, perfect for MST3K-style ribbing. Death Race, the remake, was a watchable action flick (and featured the presence of Jason Statham), but felt like the soul had been ripped out of the concept.
- Likewise, if you can find it, the Roger Corman The Fantastic Four film from the early 1990s is So Bad, It's Good, compared to the two So Okay, It's Average 2000s films.
- On the other hand, all three are being held in higher regard than Fantastic Four (2015), if only because they're having some fun with the source material instead of taking it on a Darker and Edgier approach. Although this case is more in the line of "I like it better when it sucks less" as the new reboot is considered dull, lifeless and plagued with underdeveloped characters nobody cares about by many fans.
- While in real life the 2009 Star Trek film was a hit among Trekkies and layfolk, the new movie's slick production values combined with this to make a great Onion News Network piece.
- That brings us some amusing comments from viewers complaining about the dazzling action scenes and fast-paced writing. "Where's the heavy-handed moralism and political commentary? Why aren't the fights more like two out-of-shape guys in rubber suits doing lame karate chops at each other? The bridge is supposed to look like it's made out of cardboard and plywood!"
- The notoriously trashy 1992 Hong Kong production Naked Killer originally sported hilariously badly-translated English subtitles (featuring such unforgettable lines as "When I saw Kitty, I had priapism!") which many viewers felt enhanced the delirious experience of the film. The "digitally restored and remastered" DVD featured newly (and apparently, more accurately) translated subtitles, which rather spoiled the fun for fans of the original version.
- A common quibble with the Clash of the Titans remake. While the original had lovingly crafted Ray Harryhausen stop-motion beasties and a certain old-timey cheesy charm, the remake, despite having a much greater budget and access to more advanced technology, had badly tacked-on 3D effects and an even more convoluted plot while being even less faithful to Greek Mythology.
- A lot of the comments from people reacting to the trailers for Godzilla (2014) is along the lines of "If it doesn't have monsters portrayed by People in Rubber Suits and human characters played by B-list actors whose lip motions don't match up with their spoken dialogue, then it doesn't count as a Godzilla movie." Indeed, the improved special effects, more talented cast that includes Bryan Cranston, and darker, more realistic tone are held up as examples of outright pretentiousness. Then again, a good number of these complaints come from people who have not seen the original 1954 film.
- The film adaptation of Fifty Shades of Grey took a lot of heat for toning down a lot of the book's more outre elements, including getting rid of the "Inner Goddess" bits entirely. Turns out that when you try to make this story more respectable, there's nothing of interest left.
- Jem is what happens when you take a campy thirty-year-old toy-commercial cartoon and try to turn it into a serious band movie. Without the holograms, the Misfits, the action-adventure elements and other campy charms, Jem came across as a cheap Hannah Montana remake that pissed off its intended fandom so badly that it couldn't make back a $5 million budget.
- The first set of chapters to R. Kelly's infamous hip-hopera Trapped In The Closet are about as gut-bustigly melodramatic as a feature-length R&B ballad music video gets, and are legendarily hysterical as a result. Then Kelly and the filmmakers became serious party poopers and made the second set of chapters a borderline straightforward comedy.
- In an Italian short story, there's an in-universe example. A third-rate writer hires an incredibly incompetent typist, in the hope that her typos will turn his trite works into surreal humor masterpieces. It works, and in little time the author is hailed as a comic genius. That's when the typist, seeing her employer's success, decides he deserves better and takes typing lessons, leading to his downfall.
- Tyra Banks's novel Modelland is so bad that most positive reviews agree it would have needed additional editing before being released. However, the parts that aren't horrible and confused are just... dull. The book is a mix of so-bad-they're-good parts and mediocre, forgettable parts.
Live Action TV
- One of the (many) reasons that Battlestar Galactica (1978) fans were unimpressed by the re-imagined series was the eschewing of the cheesy storylines and character designs for a tone that was deadly serious. The silly names were now just call signs. The Cylons had upgraded to look human, and even the foot-soldiers didn't speak, thus no "By your command!" And Baltar was a scientist rather than a scenery-chewing villain.
- Attempts to mature Saved by the Bell into a prime-time sitcom just resulted in a rather average sitcom with no excessive wackiness.
- The original Dragnet was much more low-key and subtly humorous than most cop shows that we see today. So when ABC tried to remake it as an extremely gritty tough-as-nails life on the street show, well... it didn't go over very well.
- The Lost in Space movie toned down the Camp and replaced the cheesy special effects with CGI. The TV show was So Bad, It's Good, but the movie was just So Okay, It's Average at best.
- The Sci-Fi Channel original series update of Flash Gordon suffered from this as well, turning Ming (who is hardly Merciless) into a milquetoast Corrupt Corporate Executive IN AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION!, the Hawkmen into vagrants who only THINK they can fly, etc. This from a franchise whose most recognizable entry was the most gleefully campy movie since the 1966 Batman movie (curiously, both by the same writer).
- The Eurovision Song Contest is better when the acts are crazy, nonsensical and generally bad. The 2009 contest failed in some respects because most of the acts were neither truly good nor so bad they were good.
- There's a very good example of the difference between 2008 (ridiculous) and 2009 (serious business) by ways of Estonia on that page.
- Invoked in one episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000, where Crow and Tom spend a segment complaining about the antiquated encyclopedias on the Satellite of Love (so old, in fact, that they include a picture of Stonehenge under "construction"), only for the encyclopedias to be replaced with a brand new set featuring an internet uplink for constant updates...which fails to satisfy Crow and Tom, who thought it was much more fun to mock the old encyclopedias.
- This, combined with Narm Charm, is part of the reason why quite a few Star Trek: The Original Series fans detest the remastered episodes - it just isn't 60s Trek without analog clocks in the 23rd century and cheesy special effects. Of course, another factor is that the remastered special effects are still really obvious; it's just that they now look like crappy 90s special effects than crappy 60s special effects, and stick out like sore thumbs.
- Many fans of the classic Star Trek weren't exactly thrilled to see the modern Trek series with the updated sets, costumes and visual effects, and more serious storylines. To them, the cheese was part of the fun.
- Invoked by Doug Naylor when fans tell him that they preferred the first two series of Red Dwarf because of the dull grey sets and cheap props and costumes. He and Rob Grant never intended the show to ever look cheap but were stifled by a lack of money for anything better.
- Hence the reason that Red Dwarf Remastered that updated the first three series went over badly with the fanbase who felt that the titular ship looked too spit and polished for a three million year old mining vessel, constantly on the verge of falling apart even when it was new and built on the cheap. Similarly fans hated the look of the ship in Red Dwarf VIII when the errant nanites repaired the ship to its original in-universe design before the Jupiter Mining Corp slashed the budget.
- Doctor Who:
- Certain fans say that they prefer the low budget special effects of the original to the modern looking effects of the revival. It might be worth noting that Colin Baker accuses this of just being rose tinted glasses. According to him, nobody really liked the crappy special effects, they just tolerated them. Still, this was a big enough concern for Russell T Davies that he deliberately tried to keep the special effects from being overly polished in order to retain some of the stylisation and Narm Charm. The same principle goes for a lot of the obviously 'bad' bits of the Classic series - cheesy synthesiser soundtracks (retro charm!), dodgy and under-rehearsed World of Ham acting (over-the-top and spontaneous!) and rushed Three Cameras look (like watching a play!), Depending on the Writer inconsistencies and Character Derailment (asks the actors and the viewer to do the work!), how large chunks of it don't exist any more (better in the imagination!)...
- "The Mind of Evil" was lost, and the only copies that the BBC had in its collection were black-and-white copies from Australia. This meant that it couldn't be seen in colour until very recently, when it was digitally recoloured. Some fans have opined that the black-and-white version is better, as it gives the story a 'gritty' feel.
- In the mid-nineties, a Norwegian tv network briefly experimented with dubbing the first few episodes of the sitcom The Gregory Hines Show in a country where there's no tradition for dubbing foreign tv shows unless they are aimed specifically at children. After airing three dubbed episodes, the viewers were asked to vote over whether they wanted the show to remain dubbed or if they wanted the original version (the latter of which they didn't get a chance to see in advance). The audience overwhelmingly voted for the original version. Nevertheless, the original episodes only aired for a few weeks before the show was removed altogether - Possibly because once people saw the original, they realized that The Gregory Hines Show was a very bland sitcom, and the novelty of having it dubbed was the only thing that had made it remotely interesting.
- Many fans who don't like the Steve Harvey version of Family Feud, which has enjoyed its highest ratings in decades, prefer the original Dawson or Combs versions. Then there are those who prefer the less tolerable hosts over Harvey, such as John O'Hurley and even Richard Karn. For a time, the 1994-95 season where Dawson returned was cited as the worst Feud had to offer but viewer demand prompted the former Game Show Network to air that version reruns.
- The Portsmouth Sinfonia was an orchestra founded in 1970, made up of people who didn't know how to play their instruments (really, that was one of the requirements - they would allow musicians to join, but on the condition that they were unfamiliar with the instrument they chose). Well-known songs were given them to play, and the results were hilarious. Nearly a decade later, everyone had learned to play those instruments and the popularity of the symphony declined as it lost its novelty factor. The orchestra ceased performing in 1979.
- The Shaggs were awful musicians when Philosophy of The World, their most famous album, came out. Later recordings shown them to be much more experienced with their instruments, and actually listenable, if not quite good, though they never quite got their audience back, and as a result faded into obscurity, at least until recently. Dot Wiggin is a much better musician than when she was a teenager, and a few of her songs are actually quite good, though it's unlikely she'll ever make it out of obscurity.
- The Most Unwanted Song was created by surveying people on their most-hated musical genres and elements. The Other Wiki describes it as containing "bagpipes, cowboy music, an opera singer rapping, and a children's choir that urged listeners to go shopping at Walmart." Its flip side, the Most Wanted Song, contains "guitar, bass, piano and drums, and lyrics about love." Not only does the former have about seven times as many views on YouTube, but many people have judged it as much better to listen to: the Most Unwanted Song sounds genuinely unique and hilarious, while the Most Wanted Song just sounds like a generic mediocre love song.
- The Comics Curmudgeon took up this line of thought sometime after Dick Tracy changed up its art and writing team in 2011. When the art cleaned up significantly and the writing became more coherent, he lost interest since it wasn't as amusing to try and make fun of it, as well as it not fitting his interpretation of Dick as "the most efficient killing machine on Planet Earth".
- One episode of This American Life entitled "Fiasco!" explicitly discusses this. The interviewee describes seeing a catastrophic stage production of Peter Pan, and admits there was a tipping point after which the crowd had turned on the performers and wanted the show to continue to fail. As he admits, had the show gone off flawlessly from that point, he would have been extremely disappointed.
- The Broadway musical version of Little Shop of Horrors got poor reviews. The most common critical opinion was that the appeal of most productions was their low-budget intimacy, and the crazy special effects and massive stage of the Broadway production just felt wrong.
- The original run of the musical version of Carrie was best remembered for two things: the astronomical amount of time and money poured into it and it's spectacular awfulness it resulted in. Twenty some years later, a revival, which amended many of the original's shortcomings, was dismissed for being completely forgettable.
- The incredibly self-aware Screen-to-Stage Adaptation of the ironic classic Xanadu was dismissed by hardcore fans who felt that all the show did was explain the joke.
- When Final Fantasy Tactics received an Updated Re-release for the PSP as War of the Lions, fans lamented the loss of much of the game's Narm Charm derived from poorly translated lines. This is due in part to the fact that only the English translation used archaic-sounding dialogue (the Japanese version always used modern Japanese), and actually made some nonsensical changes such as Inkidasu being "Iaido" (drawing the sword from the sheath, and a real martial art) instead of "Draw Out" (drawing spirits from the sword). (The ability to press select to see descriptions helps somewhat.) Say what you will about the PS1 version's bad dialogue, but the item/skill names were dead-on literal. (Until you wonder why "Fire Bracelet" is breathing fire on you, or why you're summoning "Rich") In a slight reversal of this, the "write entirely new dialogue to match an aesthetic not found in the original" was applied later and tends to be more well-received amongst fans who weren't around for the original. They also kept some "bad" translations, such as "Wiegraf" instead of "Wiglaf".
The same thing happened with the PSP remake of Tactics Ogre. To say that a part of the hardcore fanbase was... displeased with their arbitrary name changes would be an understatement. In particular, fans weren't amused when Aloser's name was changed to Arycelle - 'Aloser' was a rather obvious example of So Bad It's Good name (plus there's the hilarity in a hard boss being destroyed in one hit by 'A Loser', who happens to be a Game Breaker), while Arycelle was viewed by many as a mere generic fantasy name. It doesn't help that Aloser's name is clearly romanized in the original SNES version's supplemental material as 'Alocer'... so 'Arycelle' isn't any more correct than 'Aloser'. But given that the SNES version was only fan-translated, and the 1998 translation was not done by Square Enix but Atlus in their infancy, this doesn't come as a surprise.
- A chunk of the the original Resident Evil's fanbase was offput by the GameCube remake of the the game from 2002, which significantly "improved" the original's hammy acting and rather hastily translated script ("You were almost a Jill sandwich!") and replaced it with a more natural, sometimes genuinely scary script ("A second later, you would have fit nicely in a sandwich!"). Usually for these fans, the choice between the PlayStation and GameCube versions comes down to whether you want cheesiness or actual horror.
- The House of the Dead series used to be known as a rich source of weapons-grade Narm Charm and Memetic Mutation. The quality of the voice acting improved dramatically in part 3 and it's even within a hair's breadth of actually being good in the fourth game. Enough people missed the endearingly god-awful dialogue from parts 1 and 2 that the next game, Overkill, employs Stylistic Suck and deliberately aims for a grindhouse B-movie approach.
- Star Ocean: The Second Story's Enhanced Remake got this. The fans were all saying, "Boy I hope they redo the voice acting!" and/or "I hope they translate it better this time!" when the Enhanced Remake was announced for the Playstation Portable. Those were perhaps the number one criticism from fans, and even critics who dislike the genre as a whole. Then it comes, and fans actually said they liked the Playstation version better, partly due to the Nostalgia Filter. (The Ten Wise Men names, however, are all up to the subject of opinion and are therefore excluded, some people who liked the Playstation Portable version better actually appreciated Indalecio) Never mind that not only were some characters saying "Claude" and others "Craude" in the Playstation version, the developers actually forgot to record two of Rena's spells (That she often uses) and they play the Japanese audio, and it was in general, just a rush job.
- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and its remade dialogue in Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles. The original dialogue was totally cheesy, but a rich well of Narm Charm and a Fountain of Memes. The new one? It's better dialogue, but it's not nearly as hammy or fun to listen to.
- Most of the retranslation of Chrono Trigger for the DS is relatively good, but some fans lamented the loss of Frog's Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe dialogue, which added to the character's status as The Comically Serious.
- Some fans of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake prefer the hilarious borderline-Engrish fan translation of the MSX version, complete with Comic Book Fantasy Casting digitised portraits of celebrities, to the official translation included on the Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence disc.
- When Silent Hill 2 was remastered in an "HD Collection", many fans expressed everything from annoyance to outrage at the recasting of character voices and clearer, more crisp graphics. Many made the claims that the original PS2 game's less-professional, somewhat corny voice acting was part of its charm, and the murkier graphics added to the experience of being lost in a nightmare world. The HD version did have plenty other problems too though; see Porting Disaster for the details.
- Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing series:
- A patch for the game does very little to improve the gameplay (the opponent which used to not move now moves very slowly, but still doesn't reach the finish line), but what it does do is take the iconic "You're Winner!" image and replaces it with "You Win!". Yeah, now it's a proper game.
- Big Rigs has a sequel, named "Midnight Race Club: Supercharged!" It's barely remembered, mainly because there's actually collision detection and a moving opponent. It's mostly considered very mediocre.
- Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon, the western developed spin-off of the notoriously campy Earth Defense Force series, made many improvements to the controls, graphics and framerate. They also hired top tier voice talent like Steve Blum and Cam Clarke. Many fans disliked the changes as they came at the cost of the cheesy B-movie absurdity and shoddy production values that gave the series its cult status.
- Go to any video comparison of the Nintendo 64 and Nintendo 3DS versions of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time or The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (such as these two), and you'll find the comments section full of people who prefer the crude polygonal models, dull blurry textures, poor lighting, draw distance fog, etc. of the Nintendo 64 originals, claiming that they're more "realistic", "atmospheric", "mature", etc.
- Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was patched to remove Good Bad Bugs such as the infamous Knuckles infinite jump glitch. It also fixed some actual gameplay problems, but it's still regarded as an unenjoyable game.
- There have always been bugs of all kinds in Minecraft, the most infamous ones being lighting and world generation bugs. As much as they sucked, fans came to grin and snark alike when they came across them — until they slowly began to be fixed. A lot of people were nostalgic about the loss of these hilarious Epic Fail bugs. So much, that some of them were put back in the game due to popular demand.
- TV Tropes. Before the policies on this Wiki changed (specifically, before the implementation of a far stricter Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment, a stricter ban on Natter, and the YMMV tab) there were lively debates and conversations on some of the entries; although they could easily descend to tiring arguments. Some tropers are still nostalgic for the older version of the website.
- In the Boss Mabel vlog, Rob Walker complained that they could put a lot of effort into something, and a Vocal Minority would rather just have Doug half-assing it in front of a wall.
- Discussed by LAG TV's hosts when fans asked them to play more Minecraft after three years of silence. A large part of the fun was watching Maximus Black failing and dying in hilarious ways, all while Screaming Like A Little Girl; however, in the intervening time Jeff got better at the game, so he and Adam outright told the viewers that they wouldn't enjoy new Minecraft videos nearly as much as the old ones for this very reason.
- Happens In-Universe in the Rocko's Modern Life episode "Wacky Deli": Ralph Bighead hires Rocko, Heffer and Filbert to create the worst possible show ever in an effort to get out of his contract. Of course it becomes a hit... until Ralph decides to actually put thought and effort into it, at which point it's swiftly canceled.
- The original Biker Mice from Mars series' dub became popular in Finland because it was filled with double entendres and overall silliness. When the new series started airing in Finland, fans weren't happy with its new toned-down dialogue.
- Super Friends is notorious for being, at times, aggressively anti-logical. The incoherent plots and ridiculously cookie-cutter nature of the characters is what makes it fun to watch.
- So when the show was retooled in the mid-eighties, well, it just wasn't as much fun anymore. The show was still bad, but now it was just generically bad like any other '80s cartoon. No more plots about Brainiac trying to steal the world's supply of credit. No more Aquaman accidentally destroying the entire Asian Pacific seaboard and using the same "Oh no!" tone of voice he uses when Gleek makes a stupid joke. No more crazy feminists mind-controlling all the women in the world into turning men into data on microchips. It just wasn't the same.
- At some point in the '90s the Wonder Twins were re-integrated into the DC Universe and given a Darker and Edgier backstory which made them into oppressed slaves. Wrap your head around that. Serious Wonder Twins? What's the point?
- For some of those who like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog over Sonic SatAM, it's like this. Adventures is Ren and Stimpy meets Sonic the Hedgehog, the perfect storm for YouTube Poop. Concurrently, Sonic SatAM is a more serious version of Sonic that is closer to other '90s cartoons at the time. Depends whether you liked the humor or wanted a stronger narrative. Sonic Underground, by contrast, is frequently considered as the mean between the two... having neither.
- The original Scooby-Doo had bad dialogue, low quality animation, bad jokes and ridiculous plots for the "monster's" reason of being there and that memorable line "I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids." So even after airing it years after the time its set in, it is fun to watch. But then multiple remakes came along removing these charming factors making it a lot less fun. It's felt that a number of later installments lack the original's lasting charm because of this.
- The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003) series, while it has fans, became a divisive due to this; a lot of fans were nostalgic about the goofy, silly 80 cartoon and weren't appreciating of the Darker and Edgier approach of the 2003 version (despite it being closer to the original comic).
- This is also considered the reason why the "Red Sky" Re Tool seasons flopped. All the goofiness and stupidity of the 80's cartoon was removed...and what we got was a generic mid-90's action cartoon that took itself too seriously.
- The US finally got a DVD release of the Japanese-only Transformers: Headmasters series...complete with a new, competent dub. Many fans of the original god-awful Hong Kong dub (aired on Star TV in Asia) hated this, as it was considered the best reason to watch Headmasters...otherwise many just found the show dull and repetitive.
- The takeover of Škoda by Volkswagen, leading to their cars becoming actually good. Annoying for budding comedians, as suddenly Skoda jokes didn't work (well, other than the ones in the adverts that went "It's a Škoda. Honest.").
- "Ken Lee", a garbled pronounciation of "Can't Live" from the Badfinger song "Without You", as song by Valentina Hasan, was an internet meme, almost in the sense of a reverse Buffalax. But much of the fun was lost as she worked to correct her pronunciation, as seen in the live performance. The So Bad, It's Good silliness was lost and it became So Okay, It's Average.
- Many New Yorkers think that Times Square was more fun when it was a seedy haven for porno theaters before Rudy Giuliani cleaned it and the city as a whole up in The '90s.
- As the Page Quote from Top Gear says a car might be more fun to drive if it is dynamically worse since cars with more power than grip will oversteer, ie; the back end will slide around under acceleration, more dangerous on a road but more exciting to mess about with on a track. This can also apply to videogames where the 'less good' cars can be more fun to race than the top level cars. It is for this reason that James Hunt preferred an Austin A35 for everyday driving.
- The 1980s incarnation of Action Park in New Jersey, when it was a real life Amusement Park of Doom, has many fans who hold nostalgia for it's particular brand of mayhem (drownings in the tidal pool, numerous injuries, drunken ride operators) as being part of a freer, less 'sissy' world where teenagers could learn lessons at the School of Hard Knocks rather than visiting the sanitized corporate modern day theme park.
- This page was awesome...until everyone in this wiki started improving it. Now this page sucks.