Is this an example?

I'll just post the exact example I'm thinking of:

• In the now defunct Asheron's Call, Lord Cynreft Mhoire was originally a good guy, but Lord Rytheran turned him and everyone else in the land he ruled into evil undead with the Book of Eibhil.

Do these undead retain their memories and personalities but are compelled to obey their new master?

• Happiness in Mind Control: They take pleasure in their new state.
• Fighting from the Inside: The soul of the original person is trapped and struggling to regain control of the body. See also And I Must Scream.

There are more but I need to go. Just look at Undead Index and Mind Manipulation.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 30th 2021 at 5:11:02 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Fighting from the Inside is probably closest. When you "kill" Cynreft Mhoire's skeleton form he reappears as a ghost (no longer evil) and gives you a quest reward.

Edited by Bootlebat on Mar 30th 2021 at 3:30:06 AM

From X Japan
* The Mentally Disturbed: There was a reason for all the dark lyrics and explorations of psychological pain and mental illness: almost all of the band members in the original iteration aside from Pata suffered from some forms of it, and even he had just concealed it better.. Setting aside the universal alcoholism and anger/fighting issues, the amount of admitted/documented psychological problems and physical illness with mental components was incredible for one band.

• Yoshiki: Complicated grief/PTSD from his father's death and his childhood illnesses. "Neurocirculatory asthenia," which was most likely major unipolar or bipolar depressive disorder or a misdiagnosis of hyperthyroidism and its attendant illness, beginning in his early 20s, and Self-Harm.
• Taiji: A dissociative disorder (possibly dissociative identity disorder), stimulant drug addiction, at the time undiagnosed temporal lobe epilepsy which "uncovered" completely after a later stroke.
• hide: Bulimia, either Axis 1 bipolar disorder or stimulant drug addiction or both, even more extreme alcoholism than the band standard enough that the others actually worried about his drinking, Self-Harm which overlapped with the bulimia.
• Toshi: Extreme, suicidal depression, codependency.
• Pata: Extreme depression and complicated grief over hide's death, and severe alcoholism which became a long-term suicide attempt, the severity of which only became apparent to all in 2016 when he almost died of a liver blood clot and internal bleeding.

This seems to really violate ROCEJ, right?

That’s not even what the trope is (mental illness treated as character flaws) Cut.

Re-repost: From the "Real Life" folder on the Reverse Whodunit page:

• Former Attorney General Robert Kennedy once formed a task force known as the "Get Hoffa Squad" whose sole purpose was to find incriminating evidence on Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa. Three years later, they secured a conviction.
• Another example was the case against Al Capone. It wasn't a question of proving he was behind any particular crime, as everyone knew he was. It was a case of finding a case where his direct involvement in illegal activities could be proven since he could otherwise claim any particular crime was one of his minions getting out of hand. Eventually, they got a conviction... for tax evasion.

The thing about Reverse Whodunit is that it's a narrative trope where the audience knows who the murderer is (and often sees the murder happen) and the plot (instead of a Whodunit mystery) focuses on how the detective (or whoever) discovers and proves that they indeed did it (e.g. Columbo).

These real-life "examples" are just cases where people are required to find evidence even when they're sure someone is guilty, which I'm pretty sure is just how the law works, and not this trope.

Permission to cut?

Edited by antenna_ears on Mar 30th 2021 at 3:29:40 AM

I get where you're coming from. I'd almost think that the trope should be NRLEP?

Yeah, maybe, since the trope is about the audience knowing stuff that the main characters don’t necessarily know themselves and have to figure out. And there is no omniscient “audience” in real life.

Edited by antenna_ears on Mar 30th 2021 at 4:00:45 AM

Reposting from the previous two pages so they won't get lost:

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Towards the end of RWBY Volume 8, Jacques Schnee, one of the important minor characters in the series, is abruptly and unceremoniously killed off when Ironwood uses his Hand Cannon to disintegrate him. Does this count as a true Dropped a Bridge on Him?

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From Characters.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

• Karma Houdini: Ezalia may have been arrested at the end and disbarred from the Supreme Council, but in the sequel she's apparently living a perfectly normal wealthy life in PLANT, and has a CD drama with amusing interactions with Yzak. Compare what happened to her boss, or the fact that her planned crimes against humanity could and should have gotten her life in prison at minimum, and Ezalia is definitely this.

Is this a true example or should it be removed?

Edited by gjjones on Mar 30th 2021 at 8:20:05 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Does a Hate Sink have to be a jerk, or can they just be written as really annoying to both the characters and the audience, even if they try to be pleasant and well-intended? (The character in question is Kyle Schwartz from South Park, for the record, who's as close to an intended Ethnic Scrappy as one can get.)

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Are the following examples from The Avengers: United They Stand being used correctly?:

• Jerkass Has a Point: Sikorski can be pretty obnoxious at times, but he is right that the team sometimes lacks discipline and can be needlessly reckless in the field. Hawkeye failing the President in the first episode is one such example.
• Merchandise-Driven: Very evident where the heroes wore brightly colored, Animesque battle armor for no apparent reason other than to shill toys.
• No Ending: The series ends with the Zodiacs getting what they were after, and able to turn the Zodiac Key, while Wonder Man's powers have been rendered unstable due to the Zodiacs' Doomsday Device, and Ant-Man votes to drop him from the team. That's it.
• Not So Different: The people of New Salem started that community because of the prejudice and hatred they received from normal humans. Scarlet Witch insists she can relate, due to being a mutant.

x3:

• Dropped a Bridge on Him: Sounds like a legit example to me.
• Karma Houdini: I'd say no, because she faced some comeuppance. The trope is not "a character was not punished enough".

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: I'm inclined to say it counts, but as this is a scope question, I could be wrong. Perhaps start a thread ?

Is this Super Cell Reception or Supernatural Phone?

• After being sent to the future, an iPhone 8 can post on social media back in time and otherwise functions as if it were still the late new 10's aside from being unable to access GPS maps.

"My job here is done." "But you didn't do anything."

What's the work? Any in-work explanation?

x3 Kinda hard to tell - some of the referenced characters and locations are not identified on-page, so I can't gauge how they relate. In particular:

• Sikorsky: is he(?) generally an antagonistic force? All around jerk? Snarky support team? He isn't even on the character sheet.
• New Salem: Are they antagonists? Enemies? Wary allies?

Edited by underCoverSailsman on Mar 30th 2021 at 12:49:53 PM

This needs looking at as trope misuse from Video Game.Commander that might fit Canon Discontinuity:

• Broad Strokes: The creators have insisted that, while things like the characters, weapons, soldiers, artillery, and so on are canonical, the events of PVP matches should not be considered canonical.

Also, this example from VideoGame.Command And Conquer Red Alert Series is zero-context and doesn't give much on how it's related to the series:

• Broad Strokes: About the most charitable way to describe the continuity between the games.

I found this in Kids Are Cruel

• Danny Phantom: Danny Fenton was more of a victim of bullying before he got his ghost powers and was able to teach Jerk Jock Dash a lesson. Still, the other kids, namely Dash and his group of friends, never do stop bothering him.
  • Namely because Dash and his friends never found out about Danny's powers...well, they did twice—one time he acted nicer, and the Reset Button was pressed, the second time was in the final episode, so we don't know for sure if the bullying stopped.
    • Hell, we don't even know if they EVER found out. There was what, seventy people in that crowd when Danny changed back to human? The rest of the world may not have found out at all. They could have sworn secrecy for all we know.
  • There is also Sidney Poindexter, a kid who was so ruthlessly bullied in his years at Casper High that as a ghost he haunts the school avenging tormented bullying victims. He ends up targeting Danny because he sees him locking Dash in a locker as revenge and misunderstands the situation.

Wouldn't this fit Teens Are Monsters better, since all the characters are in high school? And ugh, that natter...

Edited by PlasmaPower on Mar 31st 2021 at 4:57:06 PM

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

I just added this stuff about the rifamycins... Is this Artistic License – Biology, because it's so rare?

Killers:

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I noticed the following 'examples' on the live action TV section for Franchise Original Sin in regards to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Do they truly count?:

• Couch Baron's Television Without Pity recap of the season 3 episode "Lover's Walk" (recap written after season 6 aired) regretfully pointed out Willow trying to do a spell on someone (Xander this time) without their consent, and Spike blaming his Badass Decay on women (Drusilla).
• Some of the major events that most polarized the fandom in Seasons 6 and 7, including Buffy and Spike hooking up in a relationship and Willow's witch powers spiraling out of control following her relationship ending, are (coincidentally or not) foreshadowed in the Season 4 episode "Something Blue", to the point of the whole episode seeming Harsherin Hindsight. Heck, it even brought Amy back! (Albeit for only two seconds on-screen.)

I found these in Characters.Caillou. The Bald of Evil shoehorn made me laugh.

• Bald Of Awesome: He's bald and the main protagonist.
• Bald of Evil: Downplayed, but he can get extremely brattier than normal if the plot demands it.

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

Cut, also being the protagonist doesn't make you awesome, and the fact someone implied Cailou is awesome just makes me

Edited by antenna_ears on Mar 31st 2021 at 6:36:18 AM

This was just added on YMMV.Strange Magic:

• Arc Fatigue: About two thirds of the film consist of the characters singing pop songs or wacky antics. We don’t get any real action or character development until the third act.

I'm not sure Arc Fatigue works this way. Strange Magic is a stand-alone movie, and the entry doesn't seem to describe what arc takes long to wrap up; it seems to complain that the movie is boring, and ah, they sing! (I get this impression because earlier, the same troper added a few blatantly complain-y entries on the same page.)

That would better fit Padding if it's truly accurate. It's not Arc Fatigue as it's not the story taking up space, but the lack of one.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Found this on Thicker Than Water. Does this really qualify at all?

• The Princess Bride: "Hello!. My Name Is Inigo Montoya. You Killed My Father. Prepare to Die.

Done.

Edited by Berrenta on Apr 1st 2021 at 11:16:43 AM

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What in the hell? It's a zero context example as well as inaccurate to the trope. Someone thinks they're cute by dropping a meme. Excise.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

After I deleted the Tempest example from Darth Vader Clone, Chrononaut 70 re-added it and said "Just by the description alone, Tempest Shadow does come close enough to qualify as a Darth Vader Clone since she shares several traits with the Dark Lord of the Sith such as black clothing/armor and the Heel-Face Turn".

So, this was added in the YMMV section of Dragon Quest XI:

" Uncanny Valley: The characters look...off...in pre-rendered cinematics, due to their designs being slightly tweaked to look more realistic while still being mostly cartoony, giving them an unsettling "in-between" look."

I know this is an YMMV and all, but I don't feel like the pre-rendered cutscenes of that game evoke Uncanny Valley. They're slightly more photorealistic than the regular gameplay cutscenes, but the art style is ultimately the same. Does this count?