Is this an example?

• Breaking Old Trends: Galar is the first region not to have the letter "O" in it in English (if one doesn't consider any spinoff regions or the Sevii Islands from the post-game of Pokémon Fire Red and Leaf Green, at least).

Is this an example?

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The letter "O" is hardly a trend, especially since it says this isn't the first region to not have an "O".

Cut.

Edited by Primis on Mar 1st 2019 at 1:08:26 PM

It is not a trend, merely a coincidence.

From Characters.Resident Evil 1 on Tyrant.

Unflinching Walk: Stalks menacingly towards the player, shrugging off shots all the while.

The tropes seems not to fit since the Tyrant is just No selling shots then him walking away from explosions.

Yep, cut. Unflinching Walk requires explosions. That example is just Implacable Man.

From Halo: The Covenant already cut this for the Brute Chieftan from Halo Wars

• Averted Trope: Many of the Brute tropes are averted by this guy.

Edited by Emberfist on Mar 1st 2019 at 6:48:49 AM

Hi there. This example was recently added to the Life Is Strange 2 YMMV page:

• What An Idiot: How some of the fandom views Sean’s decision to run away from the initial crime scene as well as essentially kidnap his brother for no logical reason, also avoiding any opportunity to turn himself into the police to clear things up before it can get worse. What with how he’s acting, there’s no reason for the characters in universe to not believe he played a hand in killing the cop, given how guilty he acts. It mostly plays on his own fear of him and Daniel being split up, though that’s really no reason to continue to flee from his problems when a simple recounting of the events would likely make things better for both him and his brother.

Context: Sean gets into a fight with his neighbour. A cop arrives, misinterprets the scene as more serious than it is, and pulls a gun on Sean and his younger brother Daniel. Their father comes out and tries to calm the officer, the officer freaks out and kills the father, and Daniel is so shocked that he develops superpowers (note: this is a realistic setting where superpowers otherwise don't exist) that wreck the street and kills the cop. Sean then makes a run with Daniel and the two have been fugitives since.

First of all, I don't think this example has the correct formatting for What An Idiot. Second of all, it posits that Sean has no reason to run from and distrust the cops after one pulled a gun on him and killed his innocent father, and also that the better, more logical option would be to recount to the police that his brother spontaneously developed superpowers after their trigger-happy (and racist, it's made very clear that the scene escalated so quickly in part because Sean and his family are Mexican) co-worker shot and killed an innocent man. It's made clear multiple times throughout the story that the media are siding with the cop and that Sean is not only worried that Daniel will be put in foster care, but that Sean will be pinned for the murder and arrested.

Overall, it seems like the example is being disengenuous with events in order to paint Sean's actions in a more negative light. But Sean's actions are definitely reckless and not thought out, and I'm not too familiar with What An Idiot, so I wanted a second opinion.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 1st 2019 at 5:28:35 AM

YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny

• Americans Hate Tingle: A number of American Gundam fans (the UC fans in particular) really, really loathe this series, declaring SEED Destiny to be the worst Gundam series ever made prior to AGE. Why? Because of Kira's Hostile Show Takeover.
  • Kira was a Base-Breaking Character in the original SEED, but by Destiny the West had given up on him and he's lost almost all his defenders. And there's what he did to Stella in Episode 32.
    • His popularity took a nosedive in late 2018, when a Japanese poll on the top most hated characters in the Gundam franchise was conducted and Kira was on the Number 1 spot. The reason specified? He "stole" Flay from his friend Sai of all reasons back in SEED instead of the usual detracting points about him.
  • Like SEED, Lacus is unpopular in the west even though she's one of the most popular characters in Japan.
  • The reaction in Japan wasn't quite as strong, but even so, the show seems to have as many vocal detractors as fans in Japan. For reference. A lot of this can be attributed to Shinn's demotion, since characters of his type tend to be better received in Japan than in the West.

The first bullet needs to explain that it's popular in Japan, Can the bottom bullet count since it explains it's merely controversial there?

Kira, I'm cutting "And there's what he did to Stella in Episode 32." since it was justified in context and something he regretted despite being necessary, unless it explains why he's Unintentionally Unsympathetic. The entry stands without that point.

I'm also removing the poll since 1. being hated in Japan is not this, 2. it only applies to the previous series, why was it not a problem there, or even when Destiny was most hated over 10 years ago? 3. the pole reeks of Hate Dumb (it's was a minor part of his character and story, ignores that FLAY manipulated him into it, and the rest of the hated are hated as villains suggesting it doesn't distinguish hate as popularity, I'm not even sure those who voted stated why they hate him and if the video's reasoning is inference). I removed Kira's The Scrappy entry per Scrappy Cleanup thread since we can't tell if this one pole is indicative of the whole fandom.

For The Final Temptation, does the evil have to be some external force? In The Dragon Prince, Prince Callum, after a season of using magic because of a magical trinket and then losing it, he is told no human can do magic. He is told that the only magic accessible to him is Dark Magic. When he uses Dark Magic to save his friends, he enters into a Vision Quest Coma where the first obstacle is a dark version of himself telling him he must accept that Dark Magic is the only way for him. A vision of his departed stepfather and king, bound by the chains of his own mistakes, tells Callum he isn't bound to this. He is free. Callum resists and refuses to accept that.

It isn't said this is Dark Magic being sentient, or just corrupting him, or his own consciousness struggling with how easy it is to do Dark Magic

The Final Temptation is where the hero is tempted into abandoning his cause to pursue a normal life. Not An Example.

Okay. Thanks.

Is this a Call-Forward or a Mythology Gag? I think the latter, since the events don't happen in-story, but the show's version is referenced? 'Cause 'Flash Fog has this for both:

From September 2 – 12:30 PM, when Twilight remarks on Fluttershy's competence, it references the Keep Calm and Flutter On episode of the original show, where Fluttershy does handle Discord:

In fact, if Discord ever shows his face around here again, it might be a better idea to put you in charge.”
“Okay, now you’re just being silly.”

Can a piece of Literature be Action Genre?

'Cause that's what I called Literature.Cut And Run, in Genre-Busting, but Action Genre seems to only be for visual media?

Are "Hired Swords", Private Military Contractors, or assassins or what?

AdaptedOut.Game Of Thrones:

Edited by Malady on Mar 2nd 2019 at 6:43:23 AM

Like Father, Like Son is now a super trope and an index of subtropes. Can it still be used as a trope on work and character pages? Or is it better to use one of the sub-tropes, e.g. Generation Xerox?

I'd like to sort out this example on Characters.Murdoch Mysteries. These are the write-ups from the page as entries for the father, the mother and the son.

• Brackenreid's son John joins the Toronto Constabulary as a constable in Season 11. John proves to have inherited his father's talents as a detective. (His father is the Inspector and Da Chief os the Stationhouse.)

• John borrows different elements of his personality from both of his parents. He inherited his father's love of theater and skill at police work, while he inherited his mother's stubbornness. The latter is amusingly Lampshaded by the Inspector.

• Margaret and Thomas's son John Brackenreid becomes a constable at Station House No. 4 despite Margaret's objections and Brackenreid's efforts to dissuade him. Thomas says that John inherited his stubbornness from Margaret.

In Attack on Titan, Eren Yeager spitefully tells his mother Carla she only wanted to live like livestock in response to her concern about him joining the Safety Corps. Does that count as a Kick the Dog moment or would a different trope apply here, since Eren's not a villain?

Edited by gjjones on Mar 2nd 2019 at 1:18:16 PM

Kick the Dog is essentially an Establishing Character Moment for a villain. Something that shows the audience they're capital E Evil.

Eren, being a protagonist, one motivated by that same mother's death, no less, does not get that trope.

I'm not sure what trope he would get but it's not Kick the Dog.

From Webcomic.Tigress Queen, not sure if this is Square Peg Round Trope:

• Story Reset: The author had done quite a bit of work on this webcomic several years ago, but was unhappy with the art and the story. So, she decided to start all over again. The old comic is still available as a free download.

and also, from Franchise.Green Lantern, a zero-context example:

• Story Reset: Often....very often...

Another zero-context example, this time from FanFic.Pretty Cure Mirai Spark:

• Beach Episode: Episode 18.

Isn't this example in FanFic.The Great Alicorn Hunt an example of Alternate Continuity:

• Alternate Universe:
  • Building off of Parting Words, with the main divergence coming when all of the Mane Six ascend instead of just Twilight.
  • None of the Equestria Girls films happen, as Sunset is captured when she first infiltrates the Crystal Empire, and subsequently talked into a Heel–Face Turn by Celestia. This means Equestrian Magic is never introduced to the human world, the Dazzlings stay in their mostly depowered, state etc.
  • At some point off-screen, Starlight Glimmer was overthrown as leader of the Equality cult, and later rescued from it by Sunburst. Twilight reveals that they're now engaged and working on magical research together.
  • The event's of The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone never happen. Instead, Ajax's father finds the Idol of Boreas and is thus named king.

Not wanting an Edit War, I'll leave it to those who know more about the source material than me.

From FanFic.Gods Angels And Kings, isn't this really Broad Strokes or another trope:

• Alternate Continuity: This story incorporates a mishmash of Godzilla's various continuities for the Toho side of things. While characters and monsters from all continuities appear in this universe, it seems to predominately follow the Showa continuity. It also adds some backstory to Godzilla, Mothra, Anguirus, Rodan, and King Ghidorah. In this universe, King Ghidorah was responsible for the KT extinction event, but was beaten back by Godzilla, Gigamoth, Rodan, and Anguirus. After the battle, Gigamoth splits into Mothra and Battra.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:39:53 PM

I didn't have any response to this post here.

Any feedback on whether that example is correct, would be helpful (added in quotes below for anyone who doesn't want to click the link):

Another gen:LOCK issue:

Someone also keeps adding the following example to a specific character, which looks like trope misuse to me. Is it an example?

• Scarily Competent Tracker: He can use the mindshare network to track the gen:Lock team, or at least Chase, when they're uploaded into their Holons.

The basic premise of the situation is that Holon pilots upload to a 'cyberbrain' from which they electronic pilot the mechs (Holons) with their minds. Everyone who is on this 'GL Network' can eventually learn how to 'share minds' with everyone else who is on the same network in a form of 'electronic telepathy'.

The enemy has a stolen Holon, whose pilot (nicknamed Nemesis) is trapped forever in the mech and therefore permanently uploaded to this GL network. That means that every time one of the heroes uploads to the GL network, Nemesis can cyber-spy on them and track their locations. As a result, the heroes have stopped using their Holons because, when they're not uploaded to the GL network, Nemesis cannot track their locations.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 3rd 2019 at 11:58:41 AM

Sounds wrong, since they're not using clue-based tracking techniques, but technology / sci-fi stuff.

Continuing my issues for Suddenly Sexuality here.

Again, the example makes it seem Korra and Asami dated multiple guys. They only dated one. The two also had Ship Tease in 3 and 4 so it wasn't sudden.

Edited by WhirlRX on Mar 3rd 2019 at 8:04:26 AM

Re-posting:

Isn't this example in FanFic.The Great Alicorn Hunt an example of Alternate Continuity:

• Alternate Universe:
  • Building off of Parting Words, with the main divergence coming when all of the Mane Six ascend instead of just Twilight.
  • None of the Equestria Girls films happen, as Sunset is captured when she first infiltrates the Crystal Empire, and subsequently talked into a Heel–Face Turn by Celestia. This means Equestrian Magic is never introduced to the human world, the Dazzlings stay in their mostly depowered, state etc.
  • At some point off-screen, Starlight Glimmer was overthrown as leader of the Equality cult, and later rescued from it by Sunburst. Twilight reveals that they're now engaged and working on magical research together.
  • The event's of The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone never happen. Instead, Ajax's father finds the Idol of Boreas and is thus named king.

Not wanting an Edit War, I'll leave it to those who know more about the source material than me.

From FanFic.Gods Angels And Kings, isn't this really Broad Strokes or another trope:

• Alternate Continuity: This story incorporates a mishmash of Godzilla's various continuities for the Toho side of things. While characters and monsters from all continuities appear in this universe, it seems to predominately follow the Showa continuity. It also adds some backstory to Godzilla, Mothra, Anguirus, Rodan, and King Ghidorah. In this universe, King Ghidorah was responsible for the KT extinction event, but was beaten back by Godzilla, Gigamoth, Rodan, and Anguirus. After the battle, Gigamoth splits into Mothra and Battra.

Changing the former to Alternate Universe Fic, Broad Strokes fits the latter.

On the subject of fan works, got some questions that came up here.

• Shipping: It and it's sub-tropes are YMMV, but if the fanwork is invoking it, does it belong under the work YMMV page?
• Alternate Character Interpretation: Does it count if the work is invoking or built around it, is it this trope or something else like Adaptation Personality Change?

For fan reaction tropes, if a work is built around those tropes, do they still apply if they're the intended reaction/interpretation?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 3rd 2019 at 11:59:38 AM

At the very least, it needs to be reworded. Originally they only had the green light for one season, so the original plans had Mako as the endgame love interest and non-straight characters weren't in the cards. The example could be phrased as how the show getting renewed led to a change in plans for the characters.

So something like this:

• Asami and Korra who in the end of season 4 are revealed to be bisexual. In the first and second season they only dated Mako. Though, the two did have Ship Tease in 3 and 4.

Writing it like that doesn't feel sudden.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars adds the retcon about the Death Star's superlaser is powered by giant Kyber Crystals in order to explain how it works. (Said Crystals were first introduced in the Crystal Crysis on Utapau arc) The plot holes opened up are as follows.

1. Where do the giant Kyber Crystals come from? Are they found on planets where like Ilum where you can get regular Kyber Crystals? If so why are they seen as so mythical.

2. Why does Palpatine have the most important part of the Death Star rely on something that may not even exist? The storyline was the first time these things have been seen in ages and Palpatine had the Geonosians work on the Death Star well before that storyline took place.

3. Even if Palpatine knew about them beforehand, why did he make it rely on these giant Kyber Crystals as he has no way of knowing there are enough left to use?

4. Why does the Crystal from the show act so differently from the Death Star's Superlaser? It is seen refracting and amplifying blaster bolts doing that on the Death Star would mean the weapon would be destroyed during the first test firing.

5. Star Wars Complete Locations means that synthetic Kyber Crystals are Canon again. (We see one labeled as such in the Sith Med Center where Darth Vader gets rebuilt in Revenge of the Sith) So do they not just use those instead of strip mining for them on worlds like Ilum and Jedha?

6. Related to the above why are they stealing those crystals we see in Rogue One that way to small to be used for the superlaser? (A Hand Wave exist in the Rogue One Visual Guide but said Hand Wave still raises more questions.)

Edited by Emberfist on Mar 3rd 2019 at 9:04:52 AM