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videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#7976: Apr 4th 2014 at 7:04:07 PM

[up] It is literally the first entry on the page you just linked.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#7977: Apr 4th 2014 at 8:04:31 PM

If I remember right from poking around, Did Not Do The Research was renamed (?) or something due to massive misuse/shoehorning/all the fun of not reading the description.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#7978: Apr 4th 2014 at 8:28:06 PM

It is the Artistic License trope: "Did not" suggests that we know the creator was foolish, whereas "Artistic License" is an established term where the creator chooses to make fiction different from reality. Since we are not a wiki designed to bash creators, the more established term took over.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#7979: Apr 5th 2014 at 2:06:09 AM

On Monster.Live Action TV, please replace the Veronica Mars entry with the following:

  • Veronica Mars:
    • Mercer Hayes stands out as one of the vilest rapists in the setting whose crimes are not treated as backstory. He selects college girls with his accomplice who sets it up for him to drug random girls at the local parties, creating a panic on the campus. He rapes the girls in their dorm bedrooms and shaves their heads afterwards just to humiliate them further. His reasoning for his depraved activities amounts to "getting into a girl's pants the normal way takes too long" and he doesn't see his accomplice as anything but a useful tool, beating him when the guy starts to worry that they'll be caught for their crimes.
    • Cobb, the Big Bad of the movie, was a drug dealer in Neptune High. After graduation he gets invited onto a boat party by a group of friends for his supply, but when Susan Knight starts to overdose he lies to the others that it's nothing to worry about. When Susan dies the others panic and he advises them to dispose of the corpse. He then uses this information to blackmail Gia, Luke and Carrie for ten years. Gia Goodman, the girl he lusted after in high school, is forced to have sex with him whenever he wants and live in an apartment without any blinds or curtains so he can ogle her all day from across the street. When Carrie breaks down, he murders her in her own home and uses Gia to frame Carrie's boyfriend Logan Echolls for the murder in a state with the death penalty. When Gia finally confesses all of it to Veronica, he snipes Gia through the window without a flicker of remorse or regret and tries to murder Veronica to cover it all up.

To Monster.Film, please add:

  • Yoshida from Showdown in Little Tokyo is a Yakuza boss who is asserting his undisputed rule over the drug trade in Los Angeles by terrifying all criminal opposition with casual dismemberment and over the Little Tokyo district by threatening the local business owners to accept his "protection". When he was still a lowly assassin in Japan two decades ago, he hacked up the young hero's parents in front of the boy and tried to kill him next before the kid stopped him with his own katana. In the present, he crushes a man inside his car to take over his business and decapitates a girl named Angel in mid-coitus for trying to warn the victim. The coroner later points out that the girl was actually already fed so much drugs by Yoshida that she'd be dead in minutes anyway, cutting off her head as well served no purpose beyond cruelty. He kidnaps and rapes Minako, a singer who works for him, after forcing her to watch the tape he shot of himself beheading her friend Angel. He murders one of his own men for failing to stop the heroes from rescuing her because he found the traditional offer of a finger to be lacking. After he captures the two heroes he first tries to torture them to death by electrocution while forcing the singer to watch, and when that fails mash them to bits in a car grinder. When they come back to finish him off after faking their deaths he tries to burn Minako alive out of spite.

And on the same pge, please replace The Devil's Advocate entry with the following:

  • Some film incarnations of The Devil have qualified due to their sheer monstrousness and lack of sympathy in their portrayal:
    • John Milton aka Satan in The Devil's Advocate runs an Occult Law Firm staffed by his demons and humans he corrupted, using the legal system to get violent criminals off the hook and spread corruption everywhere in the world, hoping that the Earth will become such a perversion that it will hurt Heaven and spite God. Having to work around the free will of humans, he subtly manipulates them to give in to evil instead. He rapes multiple women over the years so he can find offspring good enough to mate with each other and further produce The Antichrist. He drives Kevin's wife Mary Ann to madness and suicide, and rapes her for half a day, leaving her with scratch and bite marks all over her body. He later taunts his son Kevin with this crime in an especially vile Post-Rape Taunt. He brutally kills everyone within his company who tries to expose his crimes. When Kevin destroys his plan by killing himself, he kills his daughter to vent his anger by turning her into a withered husk.
    • Satan from End of Days is released from Hell every 1000 years at the end of the millennium to impregnate a chosen women against her will so he can sire The Antichrist. This will cause The End of the World as We Know It by turning it into a nightmarish hellscape for eternity. Throughout the film he commits countless atrocities for his personal amusement or no reason at all. He possesses a New York businessman to accomplish this and later leaves the damaged host to die when he finds that repairing it again will take too long. In his introductory scene he makes out with a woman in front of her husband in a crowded restaurant, then leaves and blows up the whole place as he walks away. He uses his powers to make himself sexually irresistible and take advantage of several women, but when it's no longer convenient for him he tries to rape the heroine kicking and screaming. He plagues his chosen concubine Christine York with vivid nightmares that he'll take her one day. He murders his own Satanist minions for the most minor failure or inconvenience. He burns someone alive for refusing to kill his best friend and vacating his side, kills a room full of priests trying to stop the world-ending union and earlier crucifies one to a ceiling for the awful crime of almost damaging his Badass Longcoat, and forces the hero Jericho Caine to relive his dead wife and child's murder after he refuses to help him in his plans. He's pure evil, plain and simple.

And please correct the bad formatting on Monster.Film with Drive Angry and Universal Soldier to the following:

  • Jonah King from Drive Angry is a satanic cult leader obsessed with his own power and leading a group of psychos slavishly devoted to him. He lured the criminal Anti-Hero John Milton's daughter into his cult. After Milton's sudden death, King kills her husband, takes her baby girl (Milton's granddaughter) to use in a sacrifice and forces Milton's daughter to give him a blowjob at gunpoint. She bites his dick off, after which he personally cuts off her head and keeps her femur as part of a cane he uses. When the resurrected Milton reveals his status as a eunuch, King immediately shoots the only cultist who could confirm it. He also briefly kidnaps Piper, Milton's female companion on the ride, but when she proves too much trouble to convert, he decides to kill her and defile her corpse afterwards. It's later revealed by the Accountant that King isn't actually serving Satan. The Devil is really a Punch-Clock Villain who hates that evil acts are committed in his name, so the baby's sacrifice is actually meaningless and is only meant to fuel King's ego. Ultimately King is just a power-tripping cultist, rapist, and baby-killer whose outward image as a messiah is a sham.

  • Andrew Scott from the first Universal Soldier movie was a Sergeant in The Vietnam War, where he goes renegade as he starts butchering civilians and kills his own squad when they try to stop him. He cuts off the ears of his victims and wears them in a necklace. He orders Private Luc Deveraux to kill the two remaining 'traitors', two Vietnamese children, doing the job himself when Deveraux refuses. Both are reborn years later as memory-wiped Super Soldiers, and as soon as Scott regains his memories, he kills his controllers and goes on a blood-filled vendetta across the States to punish Deveraux for disobeying his illegal orders back in Vietnam, graphically killing anyone who gets in his way. At the end, he takes Deveraux's elderly parents and his love interest hostage, awarding all of them the death penalty. Despite claims earlier in the film that he thinks he's still fighting the insurgents in Vietnam, Scott later plainly admits that he's fully aware where he is and what he's doing, and his only motive is revenge for Deveraux refusing to partake in his atrocities.

edited 5th Apr '14 5:28:33 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7980: Apr 5th 2014 at 3:04:36 AM

FiveManBand.Literature needs Young Jedi Knights namespaced to Literature/.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#7981: Apr 5th 2014 at 8:31:01 AM

Please add this entry to the Bible YMMV page [1]:

  • Magnificent Bastard: Throughout the Old Testament, God has been proven to have had some kind of charm, but what cements his status as this is in the New Testament. In a Xanatos Gambit in the form of his son dying on the cross, God manages to take the world back from Satan's rule, and his powers began to wane as a result.

videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#7982: Apr 5th 2014 at 9:31:06 AM

[up] Also on that page, there's broken formatting in the Misaimed Fandom entry.

erforce Since: Mar, 2011
#7983: Apr 5th 2014 at 2:00:04 PM

On America Saves the Day and Anatomically Impossible Sex, mentions of James Bond should have Film/-wick added to them. And on Adolf Hitler, the mention of James Bond should be removed.

edited 5th Apr '14 2:00:22 PM by erforce

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#7985: Apr 5th 2014 at 3:24:48 PM

Add Gralo to Monster.Web Comics

Cut Dr. Saleon from Monster.Video Games And Visual Novels

Add The Maestro to Monster.Marvel Comics as a Hulk villain

On Monster.Film Replace the Red Skull with the new writeup

Add to Monster.Western Animation

  • One Eye, the villain of the Korean animated film Speckles The Tarbosaurus is a Serial Killer and engine of hate of rage in a Tyrannosaurus Rex's skin. One Eye demonstrates he's a calculating, rational monster by initiating a disaster to kill the young Speckles' family and murders his siblings for fun rather than food. He proceeds to haunt Speckles throughout his entire life, trying to kill him or those the Tarbosaurus cares for. At the film's end, he even murders one of Speckles' children and tries to murder the other by hurling the hatchling into the ocean.

Add to Monster.Film

  • Maman, the slum boss from Slumdog Millionaire is charming, friendly and cheerful to orphans he meets, offering the young Jamal and Salim ice cold coca colas and offering them a place to stay. It is revealed Maman takes in orphans to use as a begging ring for him, and the kids are just free labor. Even worse, cripples earn more money, so when children display good singing talent, Maman has them blinded with acid to increase the revenue. When Salim and Jamal escape, Maman captures their friend Latika and several years later gives her the name 'Cherry' while intending to use her as a child prostitute. The only reason he hasn't done so already is as a virgin, she's worth a great deal of money. When he finds the young Salim and Jamal, he immediately plans to kill them, declaring "Maman never forgets."

Here's my attempt at Captain Kuro:

Add to Monster.One Piece:

  • Captain Kuro, one of the earliest villains in One Piece was one a feared pirate known as Kuro of the Thousand Plans. Wearied from an existence on the run from bounty hunters and the Marines, Kuro hatched a scheme: he slaughtered every marine on a ship, save one and had his right hand man Jango the Hypnotist hypnotize a crewmember and the surviving marine to make them think they were Captain Kuro and his captor, leading to the execution of the fake Kuro. Kuro traveled to Sugar Island where he became the butler of a kind, sickly girl named Kaya under the name 'Klahadore,' looking after her after her parents died. Kuro plotted to have his former crew arrive and slaughter the island while he'd have Kaya hypnotized to write him as the beneficiary of her will before he murdered her. After Kaya bought him a gift of new glasses, Kuro heartlessly crushed them and attempted to kill her other servant Merry. When Kaya said she'd have just given him the money, he admitted he just wanted her dead for the sake of his ego. If that wasn't enough, Kuro was planning on murdering his entire crew to complete his disappearance and when fighting Luffy, used an attack that led to them being nearly massacred by him. Though an early villain, Kuro was easily one of the most vile.

Replace the Celestial Dragons entry with:

  • Saint Charloss of the Roswald Family embodies the worst traits and aspects of the Celestial Dragons. Considering themselves above common people, the Roswalds decide they can do whatever they wish to people. Charloss takes a liking to a pretty nurse and decides to make her the latest in his harem of unwilling wives. When her fiancee protests, Charloss shoots him. Charloss attempts to shoot anyone who irritates him with full legal immunity for himself, and treats anyone lower on the social ladder as less than dirt, even beating a wounded man for not kneeling to him.. He and his family also attend a slave house where they purchase slaves for any purpose they want, and when the reformed villain Hacchan encounters Charloss, Charloss shows himself as a murderous racist towards the Fishmen and nearly kills Hacchan by gunning him down. If that wasn't enough, he tried to buy a mermaid named Kamie for the sole purpose of feeding her to his pet piranhas.

Same page, cut this sentence from Akainu's entry: His justification was that he thought that if there were any survivors from Ohara that the world would be in grave danger, although there's no proof that survivors of Ohara actually present any danger.

edited 16th Apr '14 7:55:07 PM by Willbyr

Aiguille Since: Jan, 2001
#7986: Apr 5th 2014 at 6:46:51 PM

In Monster: Anime & Manga, an instance of "his {{Dragon}}" needs to be changed to "TheDragon" to avoid hitting a disambig

Likewise, in Monster: Comic Books the phrase "Bulgarin's {{Dragon}} War Marshal Kazan." needs to be changed to "War Marshal Kazan, TheDragon to Bulgarin."

Also, in Monster: Film "for a {{Dragon}}" should be changed to "for TheDragon"

In Monster: Literature "Cree Bega is The Morgawr's {{Dragon}}." should be changed to "Cree Bega is TheDragon to The Morgawr."

In Monster: Other Media "his noble {{Dragon}} Dargor finally" should be changed to "his NobleTopEnforcer Dargor finally"

On an entirely different note: Fallen Creator needs EdgeOfDarkness namespaced to Film/EdgeOfDarkness

On Gush: Let's Play an instance of {{The Escapist}} needs to be changed to Website/TheEscapist

edited 7th Apr '14 8:13:42 PM by Aiguille

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7988: Apr 6th 2014 at 5:04:40 AM

Did these; you don't need a moderator to cutlist a page.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#7989: Apr 6th 2014 at 3:09:42 PM

This is in the description for the Live Action TV subpage for Complete Monster:

"Any Crime and Punishment Series or Mystery show will have at least a few of these, unless they make a point of avoiding them. Among the shows that have been seen to use the trope: Law & Order, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, Law & Order: Criminal Intent, Matlock, NYPD Blue, CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, CSI: Miami, CSI: NY, Magnum, P.I., Homicide: Life on the Street, Shark, Veronica Mars, Bones, The Closer, and the list just goes on and on and on. They're generally Monsters Of The Week (no pun intended), rather than recurring characters, though. Some specific examples are listed below."

If this could be cut? Not every crime and punishment or mystery show will have an example; in fact some of the shows that are listed in this paragraph do not have any examples (or once did but no longer due following some cuts to the page). It's misleading and it promotes an attitude that we don't want, namely the belief that the worst villain in a work instantly qualifies for CM status.

Thank you.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#7990: Apr 7th 2014 at 7:59:33 AM

For the Fingore entry on JesuOtaku remove the exclamation point in front of Baccano.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#7991: Apr 7th 2014 at 1:40:24 PM

Please add to Word Cruft, under "Bogus qualifiers" (unless someone knows a better place to put it):

"Also" at the beginning of an example is also unlikely to be meaningful.

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
#7992: Apr 7th 2014 at 5:27:50 PM

Attempting to crosswick a new page I started but I find myself vexed by a lock.

Specifically, Green Eyes. I wish to add the following to the Literature section.

  • In Dangerous Spirits, Niki's eyes are noted to be an extremely vivid green, reflecting his exoticness and the fact that he's a spirit. Sol's eyes change to the same color at the end of the book.

[down] Is that better?

edited 7th Apr '14 5:50:48 PM by Eagal

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#7993: Apr 7th 2014 at 5:40:20 PM

I would advise better use of commas. Right now, that's a run-on sentence.

[up]Much. smile

edited 8th Apr '14 12:31:04 AM by Candi

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#7994: Apr 7th 2014 at 6:10:41 PM

On Barack Obama, there's some This Troper at the very end of the Misaimed Marketing example. I'd suggest cutting that last sentence completely, since it's a bit indecisive about the nature of the example anyway.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
EternalRain Since: May, 2012
#7995: Apr 8th 2014 at 12:23:37 AM

I wanted to add some stuff to the Final Fantasy VII page, only to find it's been locked for almost two years due to shippers vandalizing the page. Huh... didn't know that kind of vandalism happened here. Anyway here's what I wanted to add, and the mods are free to use their own wording, and if the tropes in question aren't applicable then sorry if I just wasted your time.

I wanted to make an addition to the YMMV and main pages regarding some aspects of the PC version re-release Square put out on Steam and their online store. One addition is to ""Blind Idiot" Translation" and how the new re-release averts this by fixing many of the more well known typos. Another one I wanted to add is an "Author's Saving Throw" entry to YMMV about how the re-release got patched around fall of 2013 to have the PS 1 quality soundtrack, instead of the MIDI soundtrack from the original 1990s PC release (this could change eventually, but unfortunately I haven't heard of any similar patches on the way for the PC version of Final Fantasy VIII, but that page isn't locked so if it does happen I could always add it myself).

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7996: Apr 8th 2014 at 12:28:56 AM

I am not sure if "fixing many typos" is an aversion of "Blind Idiot" Translation. That trope is about poor translation not poor spelling.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#7997: Apr 8th 2014 at 6:38:30 AM

The original translation of FFVII was not "blind idiot" by any means, at least not from my point of view. It wasn't perfect but neither was it so memetically bad that it deserves an entry under that trope.

Regardless, even if it were a "Blind Idiot" Translation, we don't list aversions of that trope.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
EternalRain Since: May, 2012
#7998: Apr 8th 2014 at 9:04:37 AM

Alright I didn't know we don't list aversions of that trope in relation to re-releases (I just noticed the Final Fantasy V page doesn't list how the GBA remake fixed the bad translation the PS 1 version had). I also agree that FF VII's translation wasn't that bad, but it was still a step backwards compared to Final Fantasy VI (I think it was because Ted Woolsey left Square in 1996, and FF VIII was when they got super serious about making sure Western territories got good translations).

I still feel that what I want to put for Author's Saving Throw in the YMMV page fits though. I remember when the PC version hit Steam in particular, there were a decent amount of people complaining about the music still being the same MIDI music from the 90s PC release. Then once Square released a half gig patch around September or so to change it to the PS 1 version's soundtrack, those same people (which included me) were saying "thank you Square!" (again, still hoping they do this with Final Fantasy VIII at some point; I don't hate the MIDI soundtrack [I like to imagine "so this is what FF VIII would have sounded like on the N64"], but most of my nostalgia does lie with the PS 1 original, which sadly I can't play anymore since the fourth disc can no longer be read for some reason).

edited 8th Apr '14 9:10:06 AM by EternalRain

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#7999: Apr 8th 2014 at 9:07:41 AM

Author's Saving Throw doesn't mean what you think it does. That trope is about a major change that a writer puts in, thinking it'll be awesome, then retcons it when fans end up not liking it as much as the author does.

Revisiting the soundtrack for a game hardly rises to the level required.

edited 8th Apr '14 9:08:15 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
EternalRain Since: May, 2012
#8000: Apr 8th 2014 at 9:13:42 AM

Huh, makes me wonder if I've been seeing other people use that trope incorrectly then, or if I'm confusing it with another trope. Maybe it's just a minor example of And The Fandom Rejoiced then.


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