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Not what it sounds like: Capital City get usage counts

 126 ccoa, Wed, 25th Jul '12 8:05:23 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
We have consensus to rename and a new name here.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 127 shimaspawn, Wed, 25th Jul '12 10:05:28 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Should we do anything with all the wiks talking about actual capital cities?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 128 Septimus Heap, Wed, 25th Jul '12 10:11:19 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think we wanted to plug a trope about actual capital cities into Capital City, but I am not sure if it's tropable

 129 shimaspawn, Wed, 25th Jul '12 10:15:09 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I think it's tropable as a Setting Trope. It's basically a setting that revolves around politics. It's a trope the same way that Hidden Elf Village, and Underwater City are tropes.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 130 ccoa, Wed, 19th Sep '12 9:05:07 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Looks like the rename was done, but there are still 176 wicks to clean and a decision to be made on Capital City.

If there's something tropable about Capital City as a Setting Trope that's distinct from any other city, I'm all for making it a trope.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 131 Star Valkyrie, Wed, 19th Sep '12 11:52:57 AM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
[up]Wick check: Type 1 - misused as pothole for an official capital city

Type 1.5 - Sort of like Type 1 but explicitly refers to the government:

Type 2 - City is physical representation of the nation - either of its power/nationalism or its culture(s):

Type 2.5 - a city is metaphorically "the center of the world"/nation/universe due to having lots of power

Uncertain:

None:
  • Elenco Provvisorio B-C: this is the Italian translation page and unlike the German page, it has no description so it just needs someone fluent to translate the new Hub City name and refile it alphabetically

Most of the Type 1 links just identify one city as the capital without implying anything else about the city. Couldn't those just be deleted or converted to non-linked text?

Possibly there is a trope for a capital city that revolves around government and is full of powerful politicians, as in a political thriller. Compare with Merchant City which is full of merchants and markets or Not-So-Safe Harbor which is full of pirates, drinking dens and ladies of negotiable affection. There don't seem to be many uses for this though and it might lead to the level of misuse seen here.

Another possibility might be a trope for a city which is a nation/culture's physical representation - like nation/world writ small, melting pot type city.

Some might overlap with Land of One City and we do have Setting as a Character (which isn't thriving).

Also needed: is there a trope for a world center of learning?

edited 19th Sep '12 2:21:21 PM by StarValkyrie

 132 lu 127, Fri, 7th Dec '12 3:14:05 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Setting trope sent to YKTTW.
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It looks like there aren't actually many wicks that wouldn't just be deleted in a wick cleanup and there's debate in the YKTTW about whether this is tropeworthy at all. Maybe it just needs to be cut.
 
 134 lu 127, Sat, 15th Dec '12 12:46:12 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Ummm, no.

Hub City is definitely tropeworthy as a game mechanic. We collect those. The wrong wicks can be deleted.

YKTTW is excellent at making terrible drafts go forward and not understanding supertropes. There's three mods supporting a setting trope, though it needs work.
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 135 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 12:46:38 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I do not think the tropeworthiness complaints are actually valid. To wit, "overly-long example section" is not an argument in favour of People Sit on Chairs.

[up][up]I meant the Capital City trope which is supposed to take all the wicks that aren't Hub City, not Hub City itself. Or I guess what I'm asking here is should those wicks just be deleted now since they obviously don't fit Hub City and if Capital City comes out of YKTTW, then they can be put back?

[up]I don't think anyone is claiming that misuse makes it People Sit on Chairs. The argument against having a Capital City trope is that just being a capital city doesn't come with associated characteristics in fiction (or real life) that would constitute a trope. Even the examples given in the YKTTW [1] don't have much in common and some are about the way the city is described while others are about how it figures in the plot.
 
 137 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:14:51 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I actually think that Star Valkyrie and shimaspawn are talking at cross-purposes there - merely being set in the capital city wouldn't be a trope, it would be Trivia, but the archetype
The archetype is one of a seat of power. The focus of the setting needs to be on the fact that it's the centre of things. Not always politics. Sometimes it's military, or the seat of the nobility, but it is always the seat of Power.
is a valid one, as are the current examples on the draft.

 138 shimaspawn, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:20:01 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Exactly, it's the Archetype of a Capital City that is a trope. Not merely the epithet.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 139 lu 127, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:21:28 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I really want a better name because a Capital City title will inevitably run into decay, but I haven't had time to gauge my options.

edited 15th Dec '12 1:21:51 PM by lu127

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 140 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:26:25 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Only things I can think of are In The Capital City and Meaningful Capital City, none of which look particularly good for me.

That makes sense. So then all the wicks that are just potholes for a national capital can be deleted, but the others should stay under Capital City for now?
 
 142 lu 127, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:34:19 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
You're free to delete the wicks of Capital City / Hub City misuse. Especially the ones that are about a capital with no context.
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 143 shimaspawn, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:41:24 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Capital City Archetype?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 144 Troacctid, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:55:36 PM from California
If you stick "Meaningful" at the beginning of the title and call it solved, I want you to punch yourself in the nose for me, okay? tongue

I think The Capital City works.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 145 shimaspawn, Sat, 15th Dec '12 2:44:53 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
There can be multiple in a work that fit the archetype and work against each other. Thus calling it The is confusing since it implies there's only one.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 146 Troacctid, Sat, 15th Dec '12 2:51:19 PM from California
Eh, we have a lot of tropes that start with "The" and can appear multiple times in a work. I'm not too worried about that.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 147 shimaspawn, Sat, 15th Dec '12 3:08:42 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Still, it does nothing to discourage misuse.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Can someone clarify for me how Hub City differs from a Hub Level that happens to be a city? I just found a page which listed the same game location as both and I'm not sure which one is correct.
 
 149 shimaspawn, Sun, 16th Dec '12 9:02:42 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
A Hub Level is a level that leads to a bunch of other Levels. Basically the world select screen made into a level.

A Hub City is the centre of plot and the home to a large number of sidequests. As such it's revisited many times throughout the storyline even if it doesn't directly connect to other levels.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up]Okay, sounds like it's probably Hub City then.
 

Alternative Titles: Capital City 2
15th Apr '12 5:44:08 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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