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openMongol Mythology
I think Mongol Mythology should be moved to Altaic Mythology because it covers not only the Mongolian lore but "the mythology of the Altaic people which also includes Siberians, Turks and Central Asian peoples like the Huns and Xiongnu".
Go or no?
Edited by IukaSylvieopenCompletely Missing the Point, as a disambig page?
So Completely Missing The Point, which is now Comically Missing the Point, still has 1200+ wicks. I bring this up in ATT because someone made Sandbox.Completely Missing The Point as a disambig page back in July 2019 but for some reason it was never moved to the Main/ page.
So, my question is whether we should move the sandbox to the Main/ page, breaking the redirect.
Also while on this topic, I was wondering if we could make Completely Missing The Point into a faux-redlink like they wanted in the TRS effort.
Edited by WaterBlapopenLocked Pages Live Action TV
When I was looking at Wil Wheaton's page, I noticed it was locked but his name isn't on locked pages, so I was wondering if it was related to his work on Star Trek or a different controversy?
openEditWar on Trivia.StarTrekPicard and Trivia.TheMandalorian
Troper Batman1016 is persistently adding and re-adding entries on Trivia.Star Trek Picard, YMMV.Star Trek Picard, Trivia.The Mandalorian, and YMMV.The Mandalorian.
They're all basically the same entry with different wording, sometimes under Dueling Shows, sometimes under Fandom Rivalry, sometimes under Hilarious in Hindsight, always using some rather specious reasoning to try to point out broad-level conceptual similarities between the shows in order to shoehorn it into... something.
When I first deleted the entries under YMMV.Star Trek Picard, the troper sent me a long, rambling Wall of Text PM in which they took exception and promised to continue to re-add the entry if I deleted it again (which I have not).
The clearest add -> delete -> re-add pattern is on Trivia.The Mandalorian.
Paging the appropriate tropers (other involved tropers are Round Robin and Ambaryerno, although they've only done one deletion apiece, so only Batman 1016 is technically edit-warring) to hash it out.
Edited by HighCrateopenBadly formatted Characters page
Characters.War Thunder isn't formatted like an actual Characters page, with most folders lacking tropes.
openDeleting entries without given reason on RealityEnsues.AnimatedFilms
slordoshoes keeps deleting the entry for Teen Titans Go! To the Movies on RealityEnsues.Animated Films and does not give a reason as to why they think it doesn't qualify. They have done this several times in the past despite being told that you have to give a reason why it doesn't fall under reality ensues.
History of deletions (most recent at the top):
Edited by KToonzopenCyanide and Happiness moments pages are full off Zero Context Examples... Webcomic
Its literally nothing but "This" and links. This isnt kosher is it?
openPossible ban evader
Does anyone think Tropers.Healinfine is Cure_Midoriri ban evading again?
Cure_Midoriri has ban evaded previously as Tropers.Masked Magical Girl, and their first handle does reference Pretty Cure. "Healinfine" does reference the latest season, and I do believe it may be them due to said references and the relatively sparse history. The MaskedMagicalGirl account had a similarly sparse history.
Edited by TheNerfGuyopenFanfic on main page Western Animation
On the YMMV page for Miraculous Ladybug, somebody added a Broken Base entry that's specifically about a popular kind of Revenge Fic. In other words, it's not about the series Miraculous Ladybug itself. On the other hand, it can't be listed on a fanfic's work page since it's not about one specific fanfic but rather a popular subgenre. So is it kosher to list an entry about a subgenre on the main work's page?
openOutdated Information
Not sure if this is the place.
Is there a thread or something for "reporting" (for lack of a better word) outdated information on pages?
I have found at least two pages with information that I know is outdated, but I don't consider myself knowledgable enough to change.
openTroper being rude
Hi, we're having an issue with troper Eddy 1215. After some edits, Eddy sent rude and aggressive messages to me and other tropers (and it isn't the first time it has happened), then made this thread to abolish the indexes in the character pages
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15809653690A35266500&page=1
Using terms such as "crazy fanatics" or "nutjobs" for the tropers who have edited the One Piece character pages
Edited by fishysauropenHow to create a Trope
Hello.
I want to ask, if how I can create a Troper, I really wanna create one, and if I need a permission to make it.
Thank you.
Edited by nombretomadoopenUndermined by Reality example?
- Similarly, the seventh season finale “Shadow Play” was written as a Take That against the fans who were complaining about the show's habit of Easily Forgiving villains who would then pull easy Heel Face Turns because of it regardless of how horrid they were. This is represented through Starswirl the Bearded having a staunch "Once a villain always a villain” attitude and is ultimately proven utterly wrong for having it. Like with “Fame And Misfortune” it comes off as hollow as the writers apparently agreed there were too many redemptions since then and dialed them back during the next and final two seasons, with the characters suddenly becoming comparably cold toward villains and having no problem sending the young Cozy Glow to Tartarus, killing off King Sombra for real, or turning Chrysalis, Cozy Glow (who, again, is a child), and Tirek into stone statues as punishment for their many crimes and as a way to guarantee they can never hurt anybody ever again. In fact, after “Shadow Play” aired no villains were given any sympathy or chances at redemption except for Chancellor Neighsay, Ahuizotl, and Dr. Caballeron; even then it was only because they were Good All Along and/or Well Intentioned Extremists rather than outright villains.
The villain in "Shadow Play" was also example of Good All Along and accepted redemption as soon as offered. So this isn't inconsistent as argued. In fact it admits half the villains were redeemable. I'm also not sure this is this trope as it's about the creator's real life actions contradicting the Aesop as opposed to later in-universe events.
There has been a lot of stink over this. And it sounds more like Strawman Has a Point for Star Swirl. Should this be moved?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenNeed help figuring out how to link character pages and fix page names. Videogame
I am sure this is a common question, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to redirect one particular works page to a certain character page. It is namely part of a long series and as such has one series wide character page. And the other issue have to do with how to fix the name formatting of a works page. Some works have a certain way that their titles are presented or use certain signs or symbols which cannot be used for their standard addresses.
I hope I can help with this.
openCan some mod attend to this custom Wikiword title request?
I requested a title adjustment yesterday for The Referee's a Wanker but apparently it was declined. Since we don't have a comment field to provide context I was expecting this to happen. The episode's title is an actual Censored Title named The Referee's A W***er but we cannot use the star sign when creating pages so we used the full spelling. The mod in charge probably thought I wanted to censor out "wanker" for profanity reasons which is not the case.
Edited by eroockopenwhat section would this go under?
I was going to add a quote to Quotes.A Million Is A Statistic
Would it go under Literature, or under Real Life?
open Shipping bias re: Star Wars' Rey and Kylo Ren Film
Does anyone else think we need a project to clear up various pages that deal with Rey and Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, specifically the interactions between them, and possibly to address some tropers with a shipping agenda? I've been trying but it's too much to tackle solo (pun intended) and they have disagreed with some of my edits. Some tropers have been writing that Rey and Kylo are "confirmed" "explicitly" "in love", but I think what we see across the films is more like this—
The Force Awakens: Foe Yay Shipping. All of their interactions are antagonistic, and the "subtext" falls into misattribution of arousal.
The Last Jedi: Foe Romance Subtext. They start and end the film as antagonists, but the middle involves intense non-antagonist moments and the held gazes are no longer about fear or aggression. Rian Johnson made it clear the subtext is intentional.
The Rise of Skywalker: After a majority of the film spent as antagonists and maybe Kylo being a Stalker with a Crush who has a Villainous Crush, there's a big Ship Tease kiss immediately followed by Ship Sinking because Kylo/Ben dies.
The Official Couple argument was already settled as NOT an Official Couple since they never actually enter into a romantic relationship: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=83435&type=att
A related concern is tropers overemphasizing what they consider sympathetic about Ben/Kylo and downplaying that he's the Overarching Villain; he isn't heroic after becoming Kylo Ren except for the last act of TROS, and he never chooses the heroic path until his turn back, only feels "conflicted" while choosing villainy over and over except for not killing Leia. I keep seeing tropes that depend on extrapolating a traumatic backstory for him based on context-free mentions of the past or otherwise assuming what his past was like to support a sympathetic read. We haven't actually been given enough material to know many specifics, so there's a lot of Speculative Troping. I'm more iffy about what to do about this. For instance, his character page has: Affably Evil, Anti-Villain, A Lighter Shade of Black, Driven to Villainy, Hidden Heart of Gold, I Just Want to Be Loved, "Shaggy Dog" Story, Sympathetic Murderer, Tragic Villain, and Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds.
(Thanks for reading all this!)
Edited by immichan
I found Healinfine's passive-aggressive response to nombretomado's request to improve their proposed addition to Double Standard a bit concerning, so I checked out their recent edits. There's not many, but it shows a like for the Pretty Cure series and complaining about Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Their edit for BrokenAesop.Anime And Manga is incorrectly indented, and I'm not so sure their edit for UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Anime And Manga is okay either. Does this fit the behaviour of anyone that's been recently banned?
Edited by homogenized