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** The Promo clip of Chameleon showed Marinette's classmates turning against her and falling for Lila's lies. Even though this was a small scene, Tumblr was outraged, because in the past two seasons Marinette has built up a friendly and healthy relationship with her classmates, only for them to undo it all and side with Lila instead. This is despite Marinette going out of her way to help them several times and even more jarring is that in the previous episode, they referred to her as their "everyday Ladybug" and giving her a speech about she was a good friend to them all. Many call it a case of bad writing and the fact that this spawned many spite fics (probably the biggest number in ML Fandom history) is a sight to behold


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Now that the Christmas special has revealed more details about the timeline of Adrien's mother's disappearance (at some point since the previous Christmas, potentially only a few months before the Origins episodes), [[http://ofdragonflywingsandfairylights.tumblr.com/post/155449902658/kryallaorchid-sinfulpapillon fans are beginning to question]] whether she was actually any better as a parent than Gabriel when she was around - after all, she was apparently around for Adrien's last several birthdays before "The Bubbler" while doing little to improve them, and Adrien only got the kind of freedom he wanted (i.e, going to public school) after she was gone and with just a little bit of pushing from Nathalie.
** Is Chloé just a heartless AlphaBitch who cares for no one but herself and acts nice only to gain favour, or a misunderstood girl who's aware she's TheFriendNobodyLikes and simply influenced by her father's own power and corruption? [[spoiler: "Despair Bear" has managed to sort of provide a kind of middle ground - she doesn't seem to have advanced beyond her childish nature at all due to the sudden childhood trauma of her mother [[ParentalAbandonment abandoning her.]]]]
** Since the premiere episode of Season 2 revealed that [[spoiler: Gabriel is Hawk Moth, there are several fan reinterpretations of his character. If he knows Adrien is Cat Noir, then he can seem underhanded and manipulative, faking concern for his son and being aloof to injuring Cat Noir. The flipside is Gabriel knowing he's fighting against his son, but accepting the situation and believing Adrien will understand, since his "greatest wish" appears to be finding Adrien's mother. Of course, whether or not he actually does know or just suspects his son of being Cat Noir is up for debate.]]
*** "Gorizilla" confirms [[spoiler:that he did suspect Adrien being Cat Noir after seeing his ring, though it wasn't much to go on. His plan for the episode is to confirm whether he really is Cat Noir, and Adrien successfully (and accidentally) throws him off at the end with a body double.]]
*** In "Frightingale", [[spoiler:is it just a coincidence that Gabriel wanted Adrien to play Cat Noir or is Hawk Moth suspecting him again?]]
** Is Audrey Bourgeois really in the wrong for abandoning Chloé? Torches and pitchforks aside, examine her situation - she wants to be a fashion designer in New York, but her husband wants her to stay in a country where she doesn't feel happy and she can't do what she loves. She doesn't have any obligation to be in a country where she doesn't want to be. And if she abandoned Chloé, it could have been because being a fashion designer requires a lot of time and energy (as any professional designer can tell you), and Audrey couldn't manage parenting and designing at once. Even if she could, no parent should be forced to take care of a child they don't want, because that'll just lead to more issues (this doesn't excuse the way she treated Chloé in "Style Queen", though).
** Chloé's father Andre. Is he abusive? In several episodes, he's shown to have a Manchild personality, and not only that, he selfishly demands his wife should stay in Paris with him, while showing no empathy or sympathy to the fact that it's making her unhappy. He disregards all of her feelings and expects her to cater to his.
** Lila, especially since her appearances are few and far apart. After "Volpina", the two most common fandom interpretations were that she's either a snobbish compulsive liar who'd do anything and everything to get Adrien and get in Marinette/Ladybug's way, or that she's a poor misunderstood girl who lied to make friends in a new school where everyone has a celebrity connection or two. [[spoiler:"Catalyst" dealt some hefty blows to the more sympathetic interpretations: her absence for all of Season 2 is justified by Lila lying to her mother and the class why she's been away, she becomes the only victim so far to be ''happy'' to hear Hawk Moth's voice, on top of being the only victim to be purified by Hawk Moth and apparently retain her memories, with every indication that she is pleased to have caused such fear to Paris. Though there's the implication her mother is either too busy to check Lila's lie that the school is closed because of akuma attacks, or that she simply doesn't care enough, it's done enough to discredit the idea that Lila lied only to make friends. However, as Lila is clearly being watched and manipulated by Gabriel, no matter how terrible her own actions, there's a chance she wouldn't have been so volatile were it not for his influence on her.]]
** As of Chameleon, she is doing it all of her own accord.
** [[http://brittsarts.tumblr.com/post/180713758088/sorry-for-the-long-post This]] post examines the main traits of sociopathy and applies them all to Lila

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Now that the Christmas special has revealed more details about the timeline of Adrien's mother's disappearance (at some point since the previous Christmas, potentially only a few months before the Origins episodes), [[http://ofdragonflywingsandfairylights.tumblr.com/post/155449902658/kryallaorchid-sinfulpapillon fans are beginning to question]] whether she was actually any better as a parent than Gabriel when she was around - after all, she was apparently around for Adrien's last several birthdays before "The Bubbler" while doing little to improve them, and Adrien only got the kind of freedom he wanted (i.e, going to public school) after she was gone and with just a little bit of pushing from Nathalie.
** Is Chloé just a heartless AlphaBitch who cares for no one but herself and acts nice only to gain favour, or a misunderstood girl who's aware she's TheFriendNobodyLikes and simply influenced by her father's
AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Has its own power and corruption? [[spoiler: "Despair Bear" has managed to sort of provide a kind of middle ground - she doesn't seem to have advanced beyond her childish nature at all due to the sudden childhood trauma of her mother [[ParentalAbandonment abandoning her.]]]]
** Since the premiere episode of Season 2 revealed that [[spoiler: Gabriel is Hawk Moth, there are several fan reinterpretations of his character. If he knows Adrien is Cat Noir, then he can seem underhanded and manipulative, faking concern for his son and being aloof to injuring Cat Noir. The flipside is Gabriel knowing he's fighting against his son, but accepting the situation and believing Adrien will understand, since his "greatest wish" appears to be finding Adrien's mother. Of course, whether or not he actually does know or just suspects his son of being Cat Noir is up for debate.]]
*** "Gorizilla" confirms [[spoiler:that he did suspect Adrien being Cat Noir after seeing his ring, though it wasn't much to go on. His plan for the episode is to confirm whether he really is Cat Noir, and Adrien successfully (and accidentally) throws him off at the end with a body double.]]
*** In "Frightingale", [[spoiler:is it just a coincidence that Gabriel wanted Adrien to play Cat Noir or is Hawk Moth suspecting him again?]]
** Is Audrey Bourgeois really in the wrong for abandoning Chloé? Torches and pitchforks aside, examine her situation - she wants to be a fashion designer in New York, but her husband wants her to stay in a country where she doesn't feel happy and she can't do what she loves. She doesn't have any obligation to be in a country where she doesn't want to be. And if she abandoned Chloé, it could have been because being a fashion designer requires a lot of time and energy (as any professional designer can tell you), and Audrey couldn't manage parenting and designing at once. Even if she could, no parent should be forced to take care of a child they don't want, because that'll just lead to more issues (this doesn't excuse the way she treated Chloé in "Style Queen", though).
** Chloé's father Andre. Is he abusive? In several episodes, he's shown to have a Manchild personality, and not only that, he selfishly demands his wife should stay in Paris with him, while showing no empathy or sympathy to the fact that it's making her unhappy. He disregards all of her feelings and expects her to cater to his.
** Lila, especially since her appearances are few and far apart. After "Volpina", the two most common fandom interpretations were that she's either a snobbish compulsive liar who'd do anything and everything to get Adrien and get in Marinette/Ladybug's way, or that she's a poor misunderstood girl who lied to make friends in a new school where everyone has a celebrity connection or two. [[spoiler:"Catalyst" dealt some hefty blows to the more sympathetic interpretations: her absence for all of Season 2 is justified by Lila lying to her mother and the class why she's been away, she becomes the only victim so far to be ''happy'' to hear Hawk Moth's voice, on top of being the only victim to be purified by Hawk Moth and apparently retain her memories, with every indication that she is pleased to have caused such fear to Paris. Though there's the implication her mother is either too busy to check Lila's lie that the school is closed because of akuma attacks, or that she simply doesn't care enough, it's done enough to discredit the idea that Lila lied only to make friends. However, as Lila is clearly being watched and manipulated by Gabriel, no matter how terrible her own actions, there's a chance she wouldn't have been so volatile were it not for his influence on her.]]
** As of Chameleon, she is doing it all of her own accord.
** [[http://brittsarts.tumblr.com/post/180713758088/sorry-for-the-long-post This]] post examines the main traits of sociopathy and applies them all to Lila
page [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/MiraculousLadybug here]].


** As of Chameleon, she is doing it all of her own accord. Also Alternate Character Interpretation should get its own page by now

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** As of Chameleon, she is doing it all of her own accord. Also Alternate Character Interpretation should get its own page by now

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** [[http://brittsarts.tumblr.com/post/180713758088/sorry-for-the-long-post This]] post examines the main traits of sociopathy and applies them all to Lila


** Even people who liked Lila believe she crossed it in "Chameleon", where she [[spoiler: lies about having a hearing disability just to sit next to Adrien, and inadvertently turns the class against Marinette when the latter tries to dispute it, almost resulting in her akumatisation.]]

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** Even people who liked Lila believe she crossed it in "Chameleon", where she [[spoiler: lies about having a hearing disability just to sit next to Adrien, and inadvertently turns the class against Marinette when the latter tries to dispute it, almost resulting in her akumatisation.]]]] And if that doesn't do it, [[spoiler:deliberately and unquestionably akumatizing herself just to spite Ladybug and throwing her lot in with a dangerous terrorist/supervillain]] definitely pushes her over the edge.


** A preview clip of the season 3 premiere "Chameleon" outraged a lot of fans due to [[spoiler:a scene of the entire class turning on Marinette when she tries to call out the unfairness of forcing her to move to the back of the room to accommodate Lila's (transparently fake) hearing impairment (note that Marinette's seat wasn't even the one Lila supposedly needed, and the only reason she was being moved is because [[WithFriendsLikeThese Alya]] suddenly wanted to sit with Nino).]]

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** A preview clip of the season 3 premiere "Chameleon" outraged a lot of fans due to [[spoiler:a scene of the entire class turning on Marinette when she tries to call out the unfairness of forcing her to move to the back of the room to accommodate Lila's (transparently fake) hearing impairment (note that Marinette's seat wasn't even the one Lila supposedly needed, and the only reason she was being moved is because [[WithFriendsLikeThese Alya]] suddenly wanted to sit with Nino).]]]] The scene has already inspired a ''lot'' of Spite Fics even before the episode aired, including at least one where [[spoiler:Marinette resorts to changing schools and decides that she can never trust Alya or Nino as Miraculous holders again]].


** "Chameleon" ends with [[spoiler:Marinette being persuaded to give up on trying to debunk Lila's web of lies because she's never going to change, and this is presented by the show (through Adrien) as "the right choice".]] This moment has pissed off a lot of fans, not least because it flies in the face of the very advice that led Marinette to become Ladybug to begin with: Evil prevails when good people do nothing.



* IdiotPlot: "Lady Wifi" stands out as this, relying on Alya being a poor investigator and a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (when she suspects Chloé of being Ladybug) and Hawk Moth being a terrible strategist (when, after Lady Wifi has Ladybug restrained, he tells her to release her, force her to use her Lucky Charm to save Cat Noir, and then let her transformation run out, rather than just pull out the earrings immediately). The former point becomes even stupider after the Origins two-parter revealed that Ladybug saved Chloé from falling on her second day in the suit, which Alya, Nino and Adrien seem to have forgotten about.

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"Lady Wifi" stands out as this, relying on Alya being a poor investigator and a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (when she suspects Chloé of being Ladybug) and Hawk Moth being a terrible strategist (when, after Lady Wifi has Ladybug restrained, he tells her to release her, force her to use her Lucky Charm to save Cat Noir, and then let her transformation run out, rather than just pull out the earrings immediately). The former point becomes even stupider after the Origins two-parter revealed that Ladybug saved Chloé from falling on her second day in the suit, which Alya, Nino and Adrien seem to have forgotten about.about.
** "Chameleon." [[spoiler:Lila's web of lies would have fallen apart if Ms Bustier had ever asked her to bring in a doctor's note, if Marinette had contacted Jagged or Penny about whether any part of the cat-rescuing story was true, if Alya had tried to verify Lila's stories the same way she expects Marinette to, if [[TheSmartGuy Max]] (or anyone else) remembered he was wearing glasses when Lila was supposedly trying to shield his face from a scrunched-up napkin, or even if Lila had just not bothered trying to get closer to someone who already knows her to be a liar.]]



* TaintedByThePreview: During the year and a half long hiatus between the end of Season 1 and the start of Season 2, a lot of future canon developments have been spoiled through con previews, leaks, and creator reveals. New character concepts and hinted plots have especially divided the fandom as the show adds more and more [[GameChanger Game Changers]]. This has especially applied to [[spoiler: the new LoveInterests, Kagami and Luka, to the point that Brand Ambassador Ferisae [[https://twitter.com/dAFerisae/status/917202171262914560 had to reassure fans]] to give the characters a chance.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[http://simplystefanie-rae.tumblr.com/post/178796966080/where-do-i-even-begin-spoilers-from-here-on-out A]] [[http://ofekma.tumblr.com/post/178795645009/i-hope-malediktor-can-save-this-trilogy-in-terms lot]] [[https://anxresi.tumblr.com/post/178795466317/a-little-reviewrant-of-the-queens-fight-so-far of]] [[https://miraculouscontent.tumblr.com/post/179006869850/i-just-saw-one-of-the-recent-episodes-and fans]] have been left unsatisfied by [[spoiler:Chloé's "redemption arc" in Season 2 building up to her getting the Bee Miraculous, thanks mainly to her sheer lack of progress from one episode to the next. "Despair Bear" seemed to be a step in the right direction with her making an effort to be nice to win back Adrien's friendship, as well as saving Ladybug from a possessed Cat Noir, but as soon as she's reconciled with Adrien in the closing scene, she reverts back to bullying her classmates as if nothing had happened, and Adrien's only reaction is an inexplicably fond, "She'll never change." Likewise, "Zombizou" seemed to be a good step forward with her again saving Ladybug and offering a sincere apology to Ms Bustier, but she ''doesn't'' apologise to Marinette for ruining her hard work, nor does the story seem to acknowledge that Marinette deserves one, instead focusing on encouraging her to be the bigger person. Lastly, "Style Queen" attempts to give Chloé a FreudianExcuse in the form of her neglectful and equally bullying mother Audrey, but right when it looks like Chloé is going to learn a lesson about how trying to maintain such a toxic relationship with her mother by emulating her abusive behaviour isn't worth it, Marinette instead intervenes and uses this similarity as a starting point for them to bond, persuading Audrey to stay in Paris for a while. So once again Chloé learns nothing about treating others better, and this along with her EngineeredHeroics after she accidentally gets her hands on the Bee Miraculous in "Queen Wasp" has only served to convince fans that she has not and may ''never'' earn a Miraculous, making it all the more frustrating when Ladybug does recruit her in "Malediktator".]]

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During the year and a half long hiatus between the end of Season 1 and the start of Season 2, a lot of future canon developments have been spoiled through con previews, leaks, and creator reveals. New character concepts and hinted plots have especially divided the fandom as the show adds more and more [[GameChanger Game Changers]]. This has especially applied to [[spoiler: the new LoveInterests, Kagami and Luka, to the point that Brand Ambassador Ferisae [[https://twitter.com/dAFerisae/status/917202171262914560 had to reassure fans]] to give the characters a chance.]]
** A preview clip of the season 3 premiere "Chameleon" outraged a lot of fans due to [[spoiler:a scene of the entire class turning on Marinette when she tries to call out the unfairness of forcing her to move to the back of the room to accommodate Lila's (transparently fake) hearing impairment (note that Marinette's seat wasn't even the one Lila supposedly needed, and the only reason she was being moved is because [[WithFriendsLikeThese Alya]] suddenly wanted to sit with Nino).
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[http://simplystefanie-rae.tumblr.com/post/178796966080/where-do-i-even-begin-spoilers-from-here-on-out A]] [[http://ofekma.tumblr.com/post/178795645009/i-hope-malediktor-can-save-this-trilogy-in-terms lot]] [[https://anxresi.tumblr.com/post/178795466317/a-little-reviewrant-of-the-queens-fight-so-far of]] [[https://miraculouscontent.tumblr.com/post/179006869850/i-just-saw-one-of-the-recent-episodes-and fans]] have been left unsatisfied by [[spoiler:Chloé's "redemption arc" in Season 2 building up to her getting the Bee Miraculous, thanks mainly to her sheer lack of progress from one episode to the next. "Despair Bear" seemed to be a step in the right direction with her making an effort to be nice to win back Adrien's friendship, as well as saving Ladybug from a possessed Cat Noir, but as soon as she's reconciled with Adrien in the closing scene, she reverts back to bullying her classmates as if nothing had happened, and Adrien's only reaction is an inexplicably fond, "She'll never change." Likewise, "Zombizou" seemed to be a good step forward with her again saving Ladybug and offering a sincere apology to Ms Bustier, but she ''doesn't'' apologise to Marinette for ruining her hard work, nor does the story seem to acknowledge that Marinette deserves one, instead focusing on encouraging her to be the bigger person. Lastly, "Style Queen" attempts to give Chloé a FreudianExcuse in the form of her neglectful and equally bullying mother Audrey, but right when it looks like Chloé is going to learn a lesson about how trying to maintain such a toxic relationship with her mother by emulating her abusive behaviour isn't worth it, Marinette instead intervenes and uses this similarity as a starting point for them to bond, persuading Audrey to stay in Paris for a while. So once again Chloé learns nothing about treating others better, better (as was already shown in the chronologically later episode "Reverser"), and this along with her EngineeredHeroics after she accidentally gets her hands on the Bee Miraculous in "Queen Wasp" has only served to convince fans that she has not and may ''never'' earn a Miraculous, making it all the more frustrating when Ladybug does recruit her in "Malediktator".]]

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** Lila has always been a BaseBreakingCharacter, but lately she's been heading towards this territory, thanks to her appearances in "Catalyst" (where she [[spoiler:''willingly got akumatized'' and helped initiate the major conflict of the season finale just because she hated Ladybug and wanted to ruin her reputation]]) and "Chameleon" (where her presence was the source of the highly controversial actions Marinette's classmates took in that episode, she openly bullies Marinette, and she [[spoiler:willingly got herself akumatized ''again'']]), which cemented her personality as a remorseless, manipulative liar who's willing to do anything to have her way.

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** Even people who liked Lila believe she crossed it in "Chameleon", where she [[spoiler: lies about having a hearing disability just to sit next to Adrien, and inadvertently turns the class against Marinette when the latter tries to dispute it, almost resulting in her akumatisation.]]

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*** As of his introduction in "Captain Hardrock", Luka has been given this treatment as well, despite the fact that he's one of the nicest characters in canon (even ''encouraging'' Marinette to go after Adrien in "Frozer").


*** The Love Square, where we have ''four'' different ship names just for the ''two'' main characters; ''[=LadyNoir=]'' is a popular term for the pairing in the fandom for Ladybug/Cat Noir, ''Ladrien'' for Ladybug/Adrien, ''[=MariCat=]'' for Marinette/Cat Noir, and ''Adrienette'' for Adrien/Marinette.

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*** The Love Square, where we have ''four'' different ship names just for the ''two'' main characters; ''[=LadyNoir=]'' is a popular term for the pairing in the fandom for Ladybug/Cat Noir, ''Ladrien'' for Ladybug/Adrien, ''[=MariCat=]'' ''[=MariChat=]'' for Marinette/Cat Noir, and ''Adrienette'' for Adrien/Marinette.


* AccidentalInnuendo: Ladybug's plan to defeat Reverser in his titular episode involves having Chat Noir hold on to the back of a kite (front facing away from it), blindfolded, holding her yoyo between his teeth. The way it looks, one would be forgiven for thinking that she coerced him into doing something...kinky.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: Ladybug's plan to defeat Reverser in his titular episode involves having Chat Cat Noir hold on to the back of a kite (front facing away from it), blindfolded, holding her yoyo between his teeth. The way it looks, one would be forgiven for thinking that she coerced him into doing something...kinky.



** Since the premiere episode of Season 2 revealed that [[spoiler: Gabriel is Hawk Moth, there are several fan reinterpretations of his character. If he knows Adrien is Chat Noir, then he can seem underhanded and manipulative, faking concern for his son and being aloof to injuring Chat Noir. The flipside is Gabriel knowing he's fighting against his son, but accepting the situation and believing Adrien will understand, since his "greatest wish" appears to be finding Adrien's mother. Of course, whether or not he actually does know or just suspects his son of being Chat Noir is up for debate.]]
*** "Gorizilla" confirms [[spoiler:that he did suspect Adrien being Chat Noir after seeing his ring, though it wasn't much to go on. His plan for the episode is to confirm whether he really is Chat Noir, and Adrien successfully (and accidentally) throws him off at the end with a body double.]]

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** Since the premiere episode of Season 2 revealed that [[spoiler: Gabriel is Hawk Moth, there are several fan reinterpretations of his character. If he knows Adrien is Chat Cat Noir, then he can seem underhanded and manipulative, faking concern for his son and being aloof to injuring Chat Cat Noir. The flipside is Gabriel knowing he's fighting against his son, but accepting the situation and believing Adrien will understand, since his "greatest wish" appears to be finding Adrien's mother. Of course, whether or not he actually does know or just suspects his son of being Chat Cat Noir is up for debate.]]
*** "Gorizilla" confirms [[spoiler:that he did suspect Adrien being Chat Cat Noir after seeing his ring, though it wasn't much to go on. His plan for the episode is to confirm whether he really is Chat Cat Noir, and Adrien successfully (and accidentally) throws him off at the end with a body double.]]



* BrokenBase: Whether Ladybug and Chat Noir truly are equal partners. In season 1, detractors pointed out episodes such as "The Puppeteer" where Ladybug managed to defeat multiple villains by herself, in addition to the multiple times Chat was possessed by the [[MonsterOfTheWeek Akuma of the Week]], and the fact that Ladybug has multiple powers while Chat only has one (Cataclysm). [[spoiler: Criticism increased during season 2 when Ladybug became the sole confidant of Master Fu, learning about the ability to craft potions for the kwamiis, and becoming the distributor of the remaining Miraculous to new heroes while Chat Noir remained in the dark. This led many fans to claim that she was now overpowered, especially due to the fact that she has full knowledge of the new heroes' secret identities, while none of them know hers.]] Other fans, however, point out that since Ladybug is the sole hero capable of healing akumas, she has a much larger target on her back, and must be protected at all costs by Chat, including sacrificing himself. [[spoiler: In addition, season 2 episodes such as "The Collector" (which confirmed that Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth, creating a much more layered dynamic between Adrien and Gabriel) and "Syren" (Chat Noir complains to Ladybug about him being LockedOutOfTheLoop, and finally meets Master Fu in person) helped rectify some of the complaints.]]

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* BrokenBase: Whether Ladybug and Chat Cat Noir truly are equal partners. In season 1, detractors pointed out episodes such as "The Puppeteer" where Ladybug managed to defeat multiple villains by herself, in addition to the multiple times Chat Cat was possessed by the [[MonsterOfTheWeek Akuma of the Week]], and the fact that Ladybug has multiple powers while Chat Cat only has one (Cataclysm). [[spoiler: Criticism increased during season 2 when Ladybug became the sole confidant of Master Fu, learning about the ability to craft potions for the kwamiis, and becoming the distributor of the remaining Miraculous to new heroes while Chat Cat Noir remained in the dark. This led many fans to claim that she was now overpowered, especially due to the fact that she has full knowledge of the new heroes' secret identities, while none of them know hers.]] Other fans, however, point out that since Ladybug is the sole hero capable of healing akumas, she has a much larger target on her back, and must be protected at all costs by Chat, Cat, including sacrificing himself. [[spoiler: In addition, season 2 episodes such as "The Collector" (which confirmed that Gabriel Agreste is Hawk Moth, creating a much more layered dynamic between Adrien and Gabriel) and "Syren" (Chat (Cat Noir complains to Ladybug about him being LockedOutOfTheLoop, and finally meets Master Fu in person) helped rectify some of the complaints.]]



** A noted in [[http://galaxy-warp.tumblr.com/post/143181812356/odd-and-chat-noir-tv-tropes this Tumblr post]], Chat has a lot in common with [[WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko Odd Della Robbia]]. He also possesses some similarities to [[WesternAnimation/{{Grossology}} Kid Rot]], both being teenage blonds with destruction-based powers, reliance on other living beings for said powers,[[note]]Chat has Plagg, while Kid Rot has an artificially-created parasite[[/note]] dark color schemes, {{Woobie}} qualities, and crushes on the show's heroine; the big difference is that Kid Rot is a villain, while Chat is a hero.

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** A noted in [[http://galaxy-warp.tumblr.com/post/143181812356/odd-and-chat-noir-tv-tropes this Tumblr post]], Chat Cat has a lot in common with [[WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko Odd Della Robbia]]. He also possesses some similarities to [[WesternAnimation/{{Grossology}} Kid Rot]], both being teenage blonds with destruction-based powers, reliance on other living beings for said powers,[[note]]Chat powers,[[note]]Cat has Plagg, while Kid Rot has an artificially-created parasite[[/note]] dark color schemes, {{Woobie}} qualities, and crushes on the show's heroine; the big difference is that Kid Rot is a villain, while Chat Cat is a hero.



** Both [[RobotKid Markov]] and his akumatized counterpart, [[AiIsACrapshoot Robostus]], the first one for being [[CutenessProximity absolutely adorable]] and having a sympathetic plight, and the second one for his [[spoiler: absolutely brutal but efficient conquest of Paris, near-victory over Ladybug and Chat Noir, and ''[[KickTheSonOfABitch actually turning on Hawk Moth and coming close to murdering him.]]'']]

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** Both [[RobotKid Markov]] and his akumatized counterpart, [[AiIsACrapshoot Robostus]], the first one for being [[CutenessProximity absolutely adorable]] and having a sympathetic plight, and the second one for his [[spoiler: absolutely brutal but efficient conquest of Paris, near-victory over Ladybug and Chat Cat Noir, and ''[[KickTheSonOfABitch actually turning on Hawk Moth and coming close to murdering him.]]'']]



** In "Simon Says", Gabriel refuses to participate in the game show and initially refuses to heed Chat Noir's orders, saying that no one can control him or tell him what to do. He's... kind of right, since [[spoiler:as Hawk Moth, he can akumatize ''himself'']], though information from conventions has already revealed that [[spoiler:Hawk Moth has a [[BiggerBad boss]]]].

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** In "Simon Says", Gabriel refuses to participate in the game show and initially refuses to heed Chat Cat Noir's orders, saying that no one can control him or tell him what to do. He's... kind of right, since [[spoiler:as Hawk Moth, he can akumatize ''himself'']], though information from conventions has already revealed that [[spoiler:Hawk Moth has a [[BiggerBad boss]]]].



** Dark Owl started as what seemed to be a lighthearted filler episode, and then the following things happen in succesion: [[spoiler:Dark Owl imprisons Ladybug and Chat Noir, threatening to kill them unless they hand over their Miraculouses. Ladybug and Chat Noir ''unmask, but keep their eyes closed the whole time, causing Tikki and Plagg to not only see each other but see who the other hero's secret identity is'' (and gives then time to eat and recharge their abilities). And in the final standoff in Monsieur Damoclès' "lair", Dark Owl succeeds in ''pulling one earring off, causing Ladybug to start detransforming right there and then''.]] The fandom just about had a collective meltdown.

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** Dark Owl started as what seemed to be a lighthearted filler episode, and then the following things happen in succesion: [[spoiler:Dark Owl imprisons Ladybug and Chat Cat Noir, threatening to kill them unless they hand over their Miraculouses. Ladybug and Chat Cat Noir ''unmask, but keep their eyes closed the whole time, causing Tikki and Plagg to not only see each other but see who the other hero's secret identity is'' (and gives then time to eat and recharge their abilities). And in the final standoff in Monsieur Damoclès' "lair", Dark Owl succeeds in ''pulling one earring off, causing Ladybug to start detransforming right there and then''.]] The fandom just about had a collective meltdown.



** "Catalyst", period. Highlights include [[spoiler: Volpina back in action; the first time an akuma ''voluntarily'' leaves its target; !illusion Chat Noir being ''killed'' by akumatized !illusion Ladybug; Hawk Moth empowering ''himself'' via his latest villain which leads to the return of about 85% of the past akumatized villains and the very first time all five of the Miraculous holders gathering to battle!]]

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** "Catalyst", period. Highlights include [[spoiler: Volpina back in action; the first time an akuma ''voluntarily'' leaves its target; !illusion Chat Cat Noir being ''killed'' by akumatized !illusion Ladybug; Hawk Moth empowering ''himself'' via his latest villain which leads to the return of about 85% of the past akumatized villains and the very first time all five of the Miraculous holders gathering to battle!]]



** The spots in Ladybug's costume and the bell in Chat Noir's can be a bit silly to look at for some people.

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** The spots in Ladybug's costume and the bell in Chat Cat Noir's can be a bit silly to look at for some people.



*** The Love Square, where we have ''four'' different ship names just for the ''two'' main characters; ''[=LadyNoir=]'' is a popular term for the pairing in the fandom for Ladybug/Cat Noir, ''Ladrien'' for Ladybug/Adrien, ''[=MariChat=]'' for Marinette/Cat Noir, and ''Adrienette'' for Adrien/Marinette.

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*** The Love Square, where we have ''four'' different ship names just for the ''two'' main characters; ''[=LadyNoir=]'' is a popular term for the pairing in the fandom for Ladybug/Cat Noir, ''Ladrien'' for Ladybug/Adrien, ''[=MariChat=]'' ''[=MariCat=]'' for Marinette/Cat Noir, and ''Adrienette'' for Adrien/Marinette.



*** Adrien/Nathaniel = Adrinath, while Cat Noir/Nathaniel = [=ChatNath=].

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*** Adrien/Nathaniel = Adrinath, while Cat Noir/Nathaniel = [=ChatNath=].[=CatNath=].



** [[AIIsACrapshoot Robostus]] may have started out just like any other akuma in the show, [[spoiler: and then he turns on Hawk Moth and ''starts firing his own security system of missile launchers against him''.]] Many viewers, especially those who despise [[spoiler:Hawk Moth]], will find themselves finding it hard to wish that Ladybug and Chat Noir take him down quickly.

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** [[AIIsACrapshoot Robostus]] may have started out just like any other akuma in the show, [[spoiler: and then he turns on Hawk Moth and ''starts firing his own security system of missile launchers against him''.]] Many viewers, especially those who despise [[spoiler:Hawk Moth]], will find themselves finding it hard to wish that Ladybug and Chat Cat Noir take him down quickly.



* SelfFanservice: FanArt of Chat Noir frequently depicts him as much more muscular than in the show itself, and though Ladybug's skin-tight suit is, well, skin-tight, some artists make her a bustier and curvier than she actually is. The same applies for the other heroines and a number of akumatized victims.

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* SelfFanservice: FanArt of Chat Cat Noir frequently depicts him as much more muscular than in the show itself, and though Ladybug's skin-tight suit is, well, skin-tight, some artists make her a bustier and curvier than she actually is. The same applies for the other heroines and a number of akumatized victims.



** Several episodes of Season 2 have drawn [[https://miraculouscontent.tumblr.com/post/179123371265/after-my-chloe-post-where-i-talked-about-season similar]] [[https://spottedcutie.tumblr.com/post/179044458340/me-everyone-going-but-adriens-only-a-kid-and complaints]] about Adrien's entitlement issues regarding Ladybug and the writers' failure to address them. Perhaps the worst is "Frozer", where Adrien's persistence in pursuing Ladybug despite Kagami's interest in him is presented as sweet and romantic even though by now Ladybug has repeatedly told him she's in love with someone else. On top of which Chat Noir cops an attitude while the duo attempts to fight against Frozer, insisting on scouting out the enemy to give Ladybug the cold shoulder. And to make matters worse, Ladybug agrees that Chat Noir's tactic had merit, not even addressing the reason why he wanted to go solo!

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** Several episodes of Season 2 have drawn [[https://miraculouscontent.tumblr.com/post/179123371265/after-my-chloe-post-where-i-talked-about-season similar]] [[https://spottedcutie.tumblr.com/post/179044458340/me-everyone-going-but-adriens-only-a-kid-and complaints]] about Adrien's entitlement issues regarding Ladybug and the writers' failure to address them. Perhaps the worst is "Frozer", where Adrien's persistence in pursuing Ladybug despite Kagami's interest in him is presented as sweet and romantic even though by now Ladybug has repeatedly told him she's in love with someone else. On top of which Chat Cat Noir cops an attitude while the duo attempts to fight against Frozer, insisting on scouting out the enemy to give Ladybug the cold shoulder. And to make matters worse, Ladybug agrees that Chat Cat Noir's tactic had merit, not even addressing the reason why he wanted to go solo!

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** In "Mayura", [[spoiler:Rena Rouge gets hit by one of Dark Cupid's arrows. In the villain's debut, it was shown that true love's kiss could reverse the effects, but Carapace (despite being Rena's boyfriend) never thinks to try it, leading to both of them being akumatized. There are also people disappointed that their akumatized forms in that episode were just [[PaletteSwap palette swaps]] of their hero outfits, and not as unique as Queen Wasp had been.]]


** [[https://powerdragonmoon.tumblr.com/post/179260495236/can-we-just-take-a-moment-to-appreciate-how-pretty Audrey Bourgeois]]

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** [[https://powerdragonmoon.tumblr.com/post/179260495236/can-we-just-take-a-moment-to-appreciate-how-pretty Audrey Bourgeois]] Bourgeois.]]

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