Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

It's now 8/7 where I am, so Fantastic Four (2015) will release later today. Same was usual, wait 2 weeks until you talk about it.

edited 7th Aug '15 12:19:00 AM by VeryMelon

I wasn't proposing Alex BTW, just explaining why she DIDN'T count. If ANYONE would, it'd be her brother who pimped her out and molested her; the ones who molested her; or whoever used the acid on her. Too many, and LOTS of assholes, but no CM. What's fascinating is that the novel starts with her going from sympathetic victim to Serial Killer back to sympathetic victim.
I guess I'll Mr. Winter.

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Frankly, it still doesn't sound like he's quite played seriously enough, particularly given the overall tone. Worst villain in the game, maybe, but I'm not getting a CM vibe.

Okay that's now 8 for Queen Nakari.

I never got a response to my second attempt, is it still to long or not?

A BIT long, but it works.

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Okay, thanks.

The King and Nuclear Winter.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.

I merged the current AniManga entries to Monster.Anime And Manga A To J and Monster.Anime And Manga K To Z. Now I'll just have to folderize them this weekend.

edited 7th Aug '15 11:01:40 AM by ACW

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to Nuclear Winter and The King

Tonight I dine on monkey soup.

Okay, I have looked into the Silent Hill series, and I have to say no to Holloway. The games seem to be full of people like her. Just to give you a few examples, Dahlia of the first game set her daughter on fire and kept her alive and in agony for 7 years, Angela's father from the second game sexually abused her for years and her mother not only knew about it and didn't lift a finger to help her, but actually told her that she deserved it, and Walter Sullivan of the fourth game is a Serial Killer with 21 victims. This seems like a case where the heinous standard is too high for anyone to count.

jjj

It seems people were too unsure on Lucien from Runescape due to his most terrible actions being aimed at the player character. Next, I plan on doing an effort post on two Runescape characters, King Lathas and Lord Iorwerth, as a duo since they both serve as the Big Bad Duumvirate of the Plague quest series. Look out for it tomorrow.

Edit: Hamburger Time did already did a pretty good effort post way back on page 1167, post 29162. Having played through the entire quest series, I can say for certain that everything is accurate but I can still do another effort post if wanted.

edited 7th Aug '15 6:21:32 PM by LoreDeluxe

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.

I'm leaving to go on a one week vacation tomorrow. I will likely only be able to access the internet once or twice where I am going. You guys will have to discuss Judge Holloway without me. However, I will say that I'm almost certain that she does not count given that her actions do not seem any worse than the stuff other villains in that series do. I'm voting no.

jjj

I likewise vote no on her and believe we should cut ASAP. From what I remember of game 1, though, I think we ought keep Dahlia

• Coffin Hill: Emma Coffin, founder of the titular town, escaped the Salem Witch Trials and left the innocent to die in her stead. Not content to rest in peace, Emma's evil spirit tormented the families of those who eventually hanged her for her crimes of sacrificing others for her magic, while also tormenting her own descendants. Emma threatened her descendant Eve into helping her return to life by threatening to kill everyone Eve loved and the entire town as well. It is further revealed Emma's source of power are the souls of her victims, imprisoned in the Coffin manor and kept trapped in their worst nightmares as Emma feeds off them.
• Sweetwater: The supposed "Prophet," Reverend Josiah, is a ruthless man who opens the film by murdering two men for little reason whatsoever save that they "trespassed" on his land. When he comes into conflict with Miguel Ramirez and his wife Sarah, Josiah is sickened by a white woman being married to a Mexican man and kills Miguel, while later raping Sarah. Indoctrinating his followers into near-slaves, Josiah shows no remorse when they die-even his own wives. When he captures the town's new sheriff, Josiah intends to crucify the man upside down for "shaming" him and leaving him for the crows to pick while while he tries to sway Sarah into becoming his wife until he finds it too much trouble and simply decides to kill her.
• Blindness: The King of Ward 3 is shown to be the most savage of the barbaric society formed from the people afflicted by the blinding White Sickness. Assuming control over the asylum in which the afflicted are quarantined, the King molds Ward 3 into a gang, then rations all the food to himself and his gang, taking the valuables of the other Wards with promises of food in return (which he dispenses sparsely). Threatening death to all who challenge him, the King forces the starving Wards to give his gang the women of the asylum if they want food. The brutal mass-rape that ensues leads to the death of one of the women raped, but the King doesn’t care, and allows the rapes to continue.
• A Drink Before the War: Marion Socia was a two-bit pimp just years ago before he took over Dorchester's drug trade. Using drugs to brainwash kids into being his soldiers, Socia showed no remorse in putting a hit out on his own son Roland when the boy broke from Socia to form his own gang. Socia has his own wife murdered when she steals valuable photos from him: namely photos that show Socia pimping out Roland (then preteen, if not prepubescent) to a local politician. When the gang war goes badly, Socia attempts to get the photos so that he can blackmail Roland. When the heroes Angie and Patrick are against Socia, the police have them listen to a video of Socia viciously torturing a boy who got brave enough to wear a wire by cutting him and taking out his eye. Despite coming from the poorest, most brutal part of Dorchester, Socia has no excuse for his actions. At his heart, he is nothing but a monster feeding on the misery of others.
• Irene ^note originally titled Travail Soigné (Neat Work) in French: The "Novelist" (Philippe Buisson de Chevesne) is a Serial Killer who copies murders from various crime novels such as American Psycho and The Black Dahlia. The aftermath of these murders (which also include a rape or two) are graphically described, and were long and drawn out. There are six victims (all female), plus at least two or three killed as collateral damage, before the killer attempts his masterpiece: using his own novel, he kidnaps Irene, the 8-months-pregnant wife of Parisian detective Camille Verhoeven, who has to rush to save her. Sadly, by the time he gets there, Irene has been killed and the newborn has been ripped out in an impromptu C-section and has been crucified. In the end, the killer writes to Camille that, in his words, all he wanted was:

—>"...I was never under any illusion about my talents as a writer...my book {a new one; not the one mentioned above} will sell millions;...in the annals of literature, it will endure. These are things I could never have obtained through my talents alone. I simply sidestepped the obstacles in my path. I shall have earned my fame."

• The Scarlet Gospels: The Hell Priest, better known as "Pinhead," is the result of Clive Barker wishing to strip the character of any redeeming qualities. The Hell Priest systematically exterminates the world's magicians or tortures them mentally, physically and sexually to death or until they are broken, mutilated slaves. This achieved, he exterminates the Cenobite Order of the Gash in order to lead a resurgent Hell under Lucifer's banner. When it turns out Lucifer himself despises these plans and has no intention of trying to dominate the rest of creation, the Hell Priest steals his armor and attempts to kill Lucifer himself to unite Hell under his own power and subject everything that lives to the worst tortures he can devise.
• Solomon Kane: "The Moon of Skulls" features Queen Nakari, "The Vampire Queen of Negari" and the worst member of "a people with whom blood is cheaper than water." A brutal tyrant and Dark Messiah, Nakari overthrew the legitimate ruler and made herself Queen. Then she turned on the priests (having them killed or tortured until the last one was left slowly dying from her torment), leaving her the only one who knew how to perform the ceremonies, thus assuring her dominion. Nakari turned their already brutal religion into one where they only worshiped the god of death, with Nakari personally sacrificing a kidnapped virgin each full moon. During her reign she became known and feared throughout much of Africa for her cruelty, regularly sending her warriors to raid and attack the nearby tribes. Nakari first appears having one of her loyal followers brutally executed simply for following her orders to kill anyone who arrives in her domain without any tributes (she wanted to see a white man), taking obvious pleasure out of watching the man die. Such executions occur so often that the floor of her throne room is covered with bloodstains. Nakari also enjoys horribly abusing her slave Marylin Taferal, having her hung by her arms naked then whipped until unconsciousness for even the slightest disobedience, all the while waiting until Marylin is old enough to be sacrificed. Nakari also harbors ambitions for greater power, planning to conquer all of Africa, and then the rest of the world. Tyrannical, wantonly violent, and possessing an unquenchable thirst for power, even in such a dark series Nakari stood out as the very worst thing Solomon Kane ever faced.
• Alcatraz
  • Kit Nelson is a savage child-killer who is despised by all the other hardened inmates in Alcatraz. He murdered his younger brother when they were both kids by strangling him to death. Then he placed a flower on his brother's bed, adopting this method for all his subsequent murders. He breaks into young boys' bedrooms at night to abduct them at knifepoint, threatening to kill their families if they don't comply. He forces them to take part in his late brother's favorite hobbies for a few days, before strangling them to death with murderous glee. Afterwards he drops off the boys' bodies back in the place he abducted them from.
  • Paxton Petty plants mines in public places and enjoys watching people get blown to pieces. During The Korean War, he planted mines in the local children's playgrounds to eliminate potential Child Soldiers, for which he was arrested and sent to a military prison. After escaping Alcatraz, he starts to plant more mines around San Francisco (including in elementary school yards) to kill as many random civilians as possible. He traps Agent Hauser on one of these mines, but modifies the bomb in such a way that the bomb disposal expert who rescues Hauser would inevitably be killed during the dismantling procedure no matter what they did.
• Avengers Assemble:
  • Red Skull is once again presented as a heartless monster. After his initial defeat, the Red Skull attacks the Avengers at their mansion. When that attack fails, Red Skull attempts to blow up the reactor at the Avengers Mansion, so that the Avengers will die and be blamed for an explosion that would kill countless civilians. Later Red Skull forms a team of super villains known as the Cabal, to counter the Avengers and assist in his plans for conquest. While fighting with the Avengers to obtain the Tesseract, the Red Skull launches two missiles at two different American cities, forcing the Avengers to choose which city they would want to save and allowing the Skull to escape with the Tesseract. After obtaining the Tesseract, Red Skull decides he doesn't need his allies anymore and attempts to murder them. Red Skull then uses the power of the Tesseract to launch attacks on several cities around the world at once and plans to burn down the old world, so a new one can take its place.
  • Nighthawk, despite being an Arc Villain (although the Big Bad for the last part of season 2), manages to be one of the most depraved characters in the series. Years ago, he formed a group of super powered beings called The Squadron Supreme, and convinced them to conquer their home world. When said world proved too resistant, Nighthawk forced an innocent man to absorb the Power Prism, join the Squad, and destroy their entire planet. In the present, The Squad set their sights on Earth, and Nighthawk uses a variety of tactics to destroy The Avengers and take over the world, from trying to kill them with stolen contingency plans made by S.H.I.E.L.D. if The Avengers ever went rogue, to attempting to use a starship to destroy highly-populated cities until the Earth surrendered, to utilizing an Infinity Stone to turn the Avengers evil and make The Squadron look like heroes. After seemingly destroying The Avengers, breaking up The Squadron, and dividing the planet between them, Nighthawk becomes a dictator and turns his section of the world into a Totalitarian Utilitarian society. When The Avengers return and foil Nighthawk's plans, he orders his squadmates to destroy the Earth, leaving out the fact that he plans to abandon them on the planet to die. Obsessively believing he was a hero, Nighthawk ignored the fact that he was far worse than the evils he claimed to be combating.
• Freedom Force: In a game that celebrates the goofy legacy of Silver Age comics, Time Master comes across as one of the most sinister villains in the franchise. In the first game, he tests the Freedom Force by having dinosaurs appear in the middle of Patriot City and gives technology to Mr. Mechanical to aid in his quest to destroy several parts of the city. Time Master in the end reveals himself, revealing that the point of these tests was to discover who was the most powerful member of Freedom Force. Deciding Man Bot is the most powerful, Time Master kidnaps him and plans to overload his powers near the Celestial Clock, which would destroy the universe and make Time Master immortal.

edited 11th Aug '15 2:58:53 PM by ACW

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I've folderized Anime And Manga A To J and Anime And Manga K To Z.

edited 8th Aug '15 8:38:49 AM by ACW

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Slight correction on the Nighthawk entry, that was my fault to begin with:

…"Nighthawk forces an innocent man to…"

That should probably be "forced," considering all the other verbs in that section are in the past tense; "convinced," "proved," and the like.

Otherwise, to all the write-ups.

Tonight I dine on monkey soup.

ACW, Would Hurt a Child is not a character trope, so potholing a name to it is dodgy. I formatted it as "serial killer of children" for a reason.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Gala from Final Fantasy Type-0 needs to be de-listed. This is the entry as it currently exists.

• Complete Monster: Unlike the other fal'Cie, Gala is significantly less well-intentioned. He starts the game off by possessing the wellintentioned Marshall Cid Aulstyne and nuking a fair chunk of Cid's own nation Milites, which we see on screen. Then he starts a genocidal war throughout the world with the hopes of massacring everyone. When the heroes go to stop him, he decides to nuke their home of Class Zero and kill many children and young teenagers who were left behind and who were innocent bystanders. Like the other fal'Cie, he experiments on humans and painfully and sadistically turns them into l'Cie to fight for him. Unlike the l'Cie of the past, these l'Cie have no free will and should they fail, they ultimately die. When that plan was thwarted, he tries to use Cid to destroy the entire universe, causing Cid to kill himself. Gala's ultimate plan is to open Etro's Gate and end existence, which he feels is meaningless and imperfect. Unlike the other fal'Cie, however, Gala plots to eradicate Etro herself and take over the tattered remains of existence so he could be the true God. He shows no regret for his crimes and has no excuse, other than the fact he wants to be the supreme ruler of the gods.

The previous fan translation of the Japanese version stated that Gala only possessed Cid at the end of the game when the war had ended, and Cid's actions were his own and to his own ends. The official translation also goes with this. Thus, Gala did not actually do all the things being claimed in this example, Cid did them. Yet, Cid is not a Complete Monster, as he has somewhat sympathetic and understandable motives in the war — he wants to get rid of all the Crystals and begin a technological revolution, so humanity can prosper with Milites' machines and don't need to rely on the magical blessings of crystals and fal'cie to live.

edited 8th Aug '15 8:25:21 AM by DrakeClawfang

and : Try it now.
I don't know what we wanna do about that. Thanks for bringing that here though instead of just deleting it.

edited 8th Aug '15 9:19:20 AM by ACW

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Alright, so I can get on today, I won't be on tomorrow, and Monday I resume normal schedule. Until then, here's a writeup for the King; I also have an expanded version if it's needed.

Blindness: The King of Ward 3 is shown to be the most savage of the barbaric society formed from the people afflicted by the White Sickness. Assuming control over the asylum the afflicted are quarantined in whilst molding Ward 3 into a gang, the King rations all the food to himself and his gang, taking the valuables of the other Wards with promises of food in return (which he dispenses sparsely). Threatening all challenge to him with death, after he gains everything of worth King forces the starving Wards to give his gang the women of the asylum if they want food. The brutal mass-rape that ensues leads to the death of one of the women raped, over which the King is apathetic to and allows the rapes to continue.

Excellent, although two things;

1. Third sentence; add a space between "then" and "rations."

2. "Threatening with death all who challenge him..." That looks even more awkward that what's in the original writeup, so it should just be "Threatening death to all who challenge him..."

edited 8th Aug '15 9:59:07 AM by Scraggle

That's been added to the writeups above.
Fixed. Yeah, "threatening death to all who challenge him" IS better.

edited 8th Aug '15 10:18:40 AM by ACW

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@Drake Clawfang: If that's true I'm completely behind cutting Gala.

I was just browsing DC And Vertigo, and I was wondering, should Superman and Batman have their own pages? Superman has six CMs listed (pre- and post-Crisis Brainiac, Mongul, Zod, Superboy Prime, and Bertron) while Batman has five different villains (Black Mask, Zsasz, James Gordon Jr., Earth One Penguin, Earth One Riddler), plus three separate versions of the Joker (post-Crisis, Death of the Family, and Joker). Besides, the current page shows a Batman villain (Zsasz).

On a similar note, was Darkseid from Superman/Batman: Apocalypse ever discussed?

edited 8th Aug '15 3:45:21 PM by DeCarta

Here is my next effort post for potential Runescape candidates. This post will be for a duo, Lord Iorwerth and King Lathas, since their crimes overlap for the most part.

Who are they?

The elf Lord Iorwerth and the human King Lathas serve as the Big Bad Duumvirate of the longest running quest line in Runescape, the Elf/Plague quest series. They are both ruthless monarchs who are willing to go to any means to gain great power even at the expense of their people. Lord Iorwerth seeks to wrest control from the other Elven clans and become the dictator of the Elven capitol of Prifddinas using the power of his master, "The Dark Lord." King Lathas seeks to reclaim what he considers his birthright: the entirety of the Kingdom of Kandarin which he had to split with his brother King Tyras.

What have they done?

It all started when the Elven goddess Seren had to shatter herself at the end of the cataclysmic God Wars. A part of her obsessed with death split off to become the Dark Lord. While most of the nine Elven clans still talked with Seren in the Tower of Voices, Lord Iorwerth and his clan made contact with the dark side of Seren and plotted to use its power to conquer the Elven Kingdom of Isafdar. When the powerful Cadarn clan left the city to explore other lands, Clan Iorwerth closed off access to the Tower of Voices and conquered the city, killing thousands of elves in civil war and slaying others that did not agree with the new regime. The Cadarn clan soon returned in force, but were annihilated by the Iorwerth clan. Survivors from the eight other clans, including their Elders, converted the entire capitol to a crystal seed and fled into the forests. Lord Iorwerth moved out of the barren capitol into a war camp in the forests, while he also hoarded supplies from his starving clan left behind in the ruins. Lord Iorwerth would spend the next few centuries hunting down and destroying the rebel Elves while also seeking to resurrect the Dark Lord to use its power to restore the city.

Fast forward to present day, Lord Iorwerth discovered the location, the Temple of Light, in which the Dark Lord was imprisoned. He made a pact with fellow power hungry tyrant, King Lathas, whose capitol of Ardougne was located above the temple in which the Dark Lord was imprisoned. Lord Iorwerth promised to assassinate King Tyras and gift King Lathas with the full kingdom, although he always planned on eventually betraying Lathas. Their master plan involved using a fake plague on citizens of Tyras' kingdom and having Elves disguised as Mourners, or plague healers, to kidnap the supposedly sick people, including children, and use them as slave labor to break through to the temple. Their methods involved dying sheep to appear as the cause of the plague while poisoning the city's food supplies to simulate symptoms. The would also regularly capture and torture those they suspected of realizing the truth. King Lathas quarantined the entire area of his brother's kingdom which turned it into a massive ghetto and slum. He further manipulated his goodly brother into traveling to the Elf lands by saying there was a cure for the plague there, while he also told the sick citizens that Tyras had abandoned them to their fate and that he was their true savior. It's around this time the player character gets involved.

The inquisitive player eventually discovers the plague is fake and Lathas lies that his brother had caused it and was serving the Dark Lord. The adventurer eventually broke through to Elven Lands, was told how to kill Tyras by Lord Iorwerth, and eventually succeeded. Only too late had the adventurer discovered they were a pawn of evil powers, and then worked with the rebel Elves to overthrow Iorwerth and Lathas. By working with the rebels, the player learns the enslaved citizens had broken through to the Temple and had been used as fodder to break through it defenses. The player foiled Iorwerth's schemes by warding the Temple, but he soon thought up an even more wicked scheme. Lord Iorwerth proposed to Lathas that the entire population of Tyras' kingdom be massacred in a great necromantic ritual and their souls fed to empower the Dark Lord and allow him to return. King Lathas agreed wholeheartedly, planning to turn that section of the kingdom into his personal garden. Ultimately, the player is able to unite the kingdom against Lathas and send him into exile, kill all the Mourners, and apparently ruin Iorwerth's plans once and for all. Lord Iorwerth, dreaming of lands to rule over, was not so easily stopped. As his clan is being destroyed by the remnant of soldiers loyal to Tyras, he performs the great ritual and feeds to souls of his loyal clansmen to the Dark Lord. The ritual was stopped at the last second by the player, but Iorwerth and Lathas, learning too late that evil is not a plaything, have their souls devoured by the Dark Lord who then serves as the final boss.

Heinous by the standards of the story?

They both served as the main villains of Runescape's longest running quest series, so the impact of their crimes was felt for a long time. While they obviously didn't cause as much suffering as Bandos, they are both entirely mortal and committed great evil in their pursuit of evermore power. Compared to Sigmund, their crimes caused the deaths of thousands of innocent elves and humans which equals and likely surpasses Sigmund's. They are as bad as any mortal antagonist has gotten in Runescape's history.

Redeeming qualities or mitigating factors?

They are never shown as having any redeeming features and are only greedy and power hungry. The player directly sees enough of their crimes or the aftermath to where they aren't disqualified by off-screen villainy.

Final Verdict?

If Sigmund can count as a Complete Monster, they should be count as well. Iorwerth has a bit more under his belt and used Lathas as a pawn, but Lathas is just as responsible for everything in the quest series considering his full knowledge of Iorwerth's activities. Although, he did believe the Dark Lord was actually chaos god Zamorak, that doesn't change anything.

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.

I don't remember that version of Darkseid really doing anything really heinious, he tries to corrupt Supergirl and tries to kill Superman. He has no real redeeming characteristics, but I don't think he did anything beyond generic villainy in that film.