To-do list:
- Since this was disambiguated between Combat Tentacles, Lightning Lash, Tail Slap, Vine Tentacles, Weapon-Based Characterization, Weapon Specialization, and possibly other tropes, move wicks that fit other tropes accordingly, and remove Chairs-y examples.
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Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes.Macron's OP
Whip It Good is a trope about the use of whips as a weapon but that isn't tropable on its own. The description notes that whip owners tend to be domineering or seductive but that isn't reflected in most of the on page examples and wicks. I conducted a wick check and most of the examples that weren't ZCE or "whip as a weapon" were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes.Wick Check Percentages
- Just whip as a weapon—13 wicks~~~26%
- Character carries a whip for the aesthetic—2 wicks~~~4%
- Covered by Other Tropes—22 wicks (including two of the wicks from the "Multiple entries" category) ~~~44%
- Whip It Good + additional context—4 wicks~~~8%
- Other~~~2%
- ZCE/Insufficient Context—10 wicks (including two of the wicks from the "Multiple entries" category") ~~~20%
Solution
I think the best course of action would be to disambiguate Whip It Good with the following:and yard the Whip of Dominance concept because I didn't find enough good examples on that.
Wick Check
- Characters.Between My Brother And Me Ab Inito: Carries a whip which she uses to lashes out at Molly.
- Characters.Kamen Rider Revice Happy Spa: Under Prehensile Hair "Her ponytail can be extended and used as a whip"(pothole)
- Characters.Lulus Bizarre Rebellion Britannia: He pulls out a whip during the final battle.
- Characters.Dungeons And Dragons Classes Fourth Edition Classes: Under Evil Weapon— Gloom Pact Whips it good with the Scourge of Exquisite Agony.
- Film.The Jade Faced Assassin:The oldest sister of the Chang Clan uses a whip in her fight scenes.
- Funny.Dragon Quest The Adventure Of Dai: Flora takes them down in one fell swoop with her whip
- Funny.Tiger Mask W: And one of the wrestlers tries and asks her out until Miss X whips him in the ass (pothole) and sends him back to train.
- ImprobableWeaponUser.Video Games: Namu Amida Butsu! -UTENA-: Kongōman Bosatsu "Leader" has a very long flower garland, which he uses in battle as if it's a whip.
- Manga.Cowa: One human mook uses a whip as a weapon.
- VideoGame.Dark Devotion: Whips are one of the available weapon types.
- VideoGame.Salt And Sanctuary: Whips are available in this game as well, and they scale primarily with Dexterity.
- VideoGame.Unexplored: One of the weapon types. You can also get a Flaming Whip by killing the Balrog.
- Raggedy Ann & Andy: A Musical Adventure: Under Action Girl: Babette is very much a Damsel in Distress in the earlier parts of the story but by the climax [[spoiler: has taken over the pirate ship and is wielding a whip(pothole)
- Characters.Galaxy Angel Video Games: Though she never actually uses it, she's often seen holding a crop.
- Characters.Wooden Overcoats: She carries a whip with her everywhere, though she doesn't seem to use it on the animals.
- Arsenal Attire: In Brave10, both Rokuro and Nanakuma hide their combination whip/rope darts Hidden Weapons
- Characters.Batman Beyond One Shot Villains: The source of his name comes from the robotic whips he had Corso install in his wrists.
- Characters.Common Sense: Vine Whip, though primarily used for restraining and retrieving. Vine Tentacles
- Characters.Digimon World Infamy Coal And His Family: Naturally has the ability to use her extending vines as whips, although nobody probably expected her to start playfully, or semi-playfully, whipping her twin brother a few minutes after being born.(Vine Tentacles)
- Characters.Dungeon Fighter Online Players:Can whip her summons and party members to beef up their stats. Status Buff
- Characters.Fire Emblem On Forums Classes: One of the signature weapons of the Jester line. Weapon Specialization.
- Characters.Going Another Way: Shamsel can use her two long tentacles like whips. Difference is that these things can also slice through almost everything. Combat Tentacles
- Characters.Kamen Rider Den O Movie Exclusive Characters: His weapon of choice is a whip, which he uses to also scatter about exploding tops. (Weapon Specialization)
- Characters.Kaiten Mutenmaru: Meer wields a pair of whips in combat. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Overwatch Roadhog: His infamous hook deals 30 points of damage and can kill low-health enemies. His hook essentially acts like a lasso to drag and stun enemies into range for a point-blank shot of his Scrap Gun. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Ranma One Half Major Story Arc Characters: Ebiten's primary means of attack is lashing his foe with his fishing rod's line so that it slices their flesh. He also uses a minor version to capture Akane, sending the line out to grab her by her arm and pull her to the spot in which the group is. Rod And Reel Repurposed
- Characters.Vindictus: Her alternative primary weapon is a spellwhip, which grants her smash attacks and focuses her mana into close and medium range attacks. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.With A Snap: Her main weapon. Bare minimum context but it fits Weapon Specialization.
- ComicBook.Jonah Hex: Stiletta from Hex was an expert with a whip. Weapon Specialization
- Fanfic.The Black Emperor: Lelouch's first Ace Custom, the Raijin, has a pair of whips that can be electrified. Lightning Lash
- Fanfic.Storm Hawks Fan Third Season: Dr. Sins main weapons are whips.Weapon Specialization
- Manga.Takeru:Ogyokura dual wields beam whips. Dual Wielding
- Sandbox.Hellfire: City of Heroes soon-to-be-released Demon Summoning powerset for Masterminds has a few demons that attack with hellfire, as well as giving the Mastermind a whip made of it (pothole). Elemental Weapon
- VideoGame.Nitemare 3 D: The weapon of choice for the stone-wall living statues. Weapon Specialization
- WMG.Kamen Rider OOO: Wani probably grows a tail for Whip It Good (Tail Slap)
- Characters.One For All And Eight For The Ninth: His Quirk lets him create whips of a black material, which he can use to bring targets close or more around.
- Characters.Stormwatch Backlash: As a result of his Kherubim heritage and his exposure to the Gen Factor, Marc Slayton can sprout whips of psionic energy from his forearms.
- DisproportionateRetribution.Literature: [spoiler:Ryker]] prepares a bath for Tierney, complete with flowers in the bathwater. She is left speechless, because back home, bathing with flowers is considered a sin and punishable by whipping.
- FistOfTheNorthStar.Tropes Q To Z:
- Uighur is a huge, huge man running a prison, so the theme of control and enslavement is still there but without any of the usual vampiness associated with whips. In fact, he's presented as a serious martial artist (well, as serious as you can be if you're not named Kenshiro, Toki, Raoh, Souther, or Rei anyway).
- A military-style minor villain from one of the earlier episodes also wields one capable of slicing people in half. For all the good it does him against Kenshiro. Whip indicates dominance
- TabletopGame.Fortune And Glory: Probably the closest this game comes to directly referencing Indiana Jones is the Gear card "Bull Whip". It gives a combat modifier, and can be risked for a chance to change the outcome of a fight.
- Trivia.Devo: Trope Namers entry.
- Characters.Spiral Chaos Characters:
- Under Aruta Catus: Just the trope name
- Under Alice: She can use her tail as a whip, mostly in her first attack, Pendulum Arrow. Tail Slap
- Under Isabella "Ivy" Valentine: Just the Trope Name
- Under Plum: Her Pakkun Whip, used in many of her attacks, including her map move. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Bravest Warriors: Her Cat Lashes.
- Characters.Firestorm DC Comics: His ropes can be used for this.
- Characters.Sharpe: Berry is eager to use a riding crop on Josefina.
Berry: The Countess has been very naughty, making eyes at Sharpe, making a fool of Sir Henry and calling herself a countess. Very naughty indeed. Naughty girls get spanked and put to bed.
- Characters.Super RWBY Sisters RWBY Characters: Whips it good (pothole) with the Scourge of Exquisite Agony.
- Characters.Tropers The Series: What one seal would have tried on Ladro had they not been left Behind the Black.
- VideoGame.The King Of Fighters 99: Leona Heidern, Ralf Jones and Clark Still return on a new mission, joined by the mercenary Whip(pothole).
- VideoGame.The King Of Fighters XIV: Whip(pothole), Ryuji Yamazaki, Vanessa and Rock Howard
- WMG.Ace Attorney: She charmed a national ambassador who's twice her age within hours, made even Franziska(pothole) and Detective Badd show softness with her.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 14th 2023 at 12:09:40 PM
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Finished the Anime/ namespace.
I've been coming across a few examples of "character uses clothes/hair ribbon as a whip", and I was wondering if a) we have something covering that concept already, and b) if not, if that might be worth putting on the salvage yard.
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I think that's covered by Prehensile Hair and Clothing Combat.
Macron's notes
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Other question: what precisely is the boundary between Whip of Dominance and A Taste of the Lash? I ask because I was doing some cleanup around Whip of Dominance's links in preparation for eventual cross wicking once this cleanup project's done and I cam across this one on Characters.Classical Mythology Minor Deities:
- Whip of Dominance: The three Erinyes/Furies are ancient goddesses born from the spilled blood of Ouranus whose job is to punish mortals who were guilty of killing family members, and they are frequently described as carrying whips with which to beat their victims (though, uniquely, the whips are for torturing their minds, instead of their bodies). Their whips are coated with brass studs to make the whipping hurt more.
This seems to boil down to "character uses whips as a form of punishment", which in my understating is A Taste of the Lash, not Whip of Dominance. If these two tropes are starting to be confused with one another this early, that's a potentially rather worrying sign.
Edited by Theriocephalus on May 8th 2023 at 1:14:56 PM
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I see it as Whip of Dominance focusing more on the ones wielding the whips while A Taste of the Lash focuses more on the event itself and the person enduring it, which is why it includes self-flagellation. Similar to the difference between Torture Technician and Cold-Blooded Torture.
But I agree that one example is not focusing on the furies that much. I think they still apply, so I'll try to rewrite it.
Should the Lightning Lash trope be reworded to incorporate in its description energy-based whips?
As it stands, it specifically only mentions them as electric-based but there’s already examples of energy lashes listed.
the Retromancer
This isn't a Lightning Lash thread.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
This was my concern regarding Whip of Dominance during its draft phase. The last thing I wrote on the draft before leaving matters alone since I seemed to be the only one raising an issue:
I personally still think Whip of Dominance as launched functions basically as "any time a person uses a whip" given the broadness of its definition, but in theory if there's no discussion of characterization in the example, it's not Whip of Dominance.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 8th 2023 at 5:42:27 AM
That seems like a massive exaggeration. The trope doesn't even feature some of the most iconic whip users in fiction like Indiana Jones and the Belmont family, because they don't fit. Most of the Whip It Good examples I clean up go into the other tropes or get deleted.
Let me amend: "any time a person uses a whip as intended."
The Indie usage of it as a grappling hook, etc. has been removed but those were already recognized as being something tropeworthy and distinct from all of the other mundane usages from this thread's beginning.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 8th 2023 at 6:10:06 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
This discussion regarding Whip of Dominance might be a better fit for the TLP crash rescue
thread.
Eh, I mean I don't know what more needs to be discussed. Like I said, these concerns were raised on the draft with very few others engaging with it. If others don't view it as much of an issue after reading the discussion and hearing the different perspectives, then there's not much more that can be done unless it starts creating issues.
I still think it could’ve benefited with a characterization focused name… oh well
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Let's focus on cleaning up Whip It Good instead of derailing the thread to critique Whip of Dominance. If there isn't anything worth taking to the TLP crash rescue thread regarding Whip of Dominance, then the ship has sailed on making changes to that trope unless it gets its own TRS thread in the future.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 8th 2023 at 10:15:34 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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Thaat didn't happen because of real life stuff but I did some wicks today. I notice Black Mage 43 has been making steady headway on cleaning the wicks.
Down 1306.
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Under 1000
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Under 700. I am working on the character pages now.
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Wick cleanup is done! Locking.
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Crown Description:
Whip It Good is a trope about the use of whips as a weapon but that isn't tropable on its own. The description notes that whip owners tend to be domineering or seductive but that isn't reflected in most of the on page examples and wicks. A wick check determined that most of the examples that weren't ZCE or "whip as a weapon" were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes. What should be done with Whip It Good?
Main/ wicks are done. Down 2837
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 23rd 2023 at 10:50:02 AM
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