The burden of proof isn't for the definition. The burden of proof is for whether the name is Fan Speak that caught on offsite. The concept might be real, but we're going to need evidence that people other than us are using the same name for it.

And as was previously said, the fact that the name is just a number is probably skewing the inbound count.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 29th 2022 at 11:59:50 AM

The impression I got from the name was that it was specifically for fans getting mad at review scores that were still positive (i.e. an 8 or a 7 on a 10-point scale) but weren't "10 out of 10 best game ever" positive. The Trope Namer (Jeff Gerstmann's 8.8/10 Twilight Princess review) is an example of that, the page's image from Hejibits makes fun of it, and the reaction to Simon Parkin's 8/10 Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception review was parodied by Mega64 in this video. The trope's definition isn't that narrow, but maybe there's something there if it's popped up in other works beyond Mega64.

When this concept has been brought up on other sites, to me at least I haven't seen the name catch on in the same way Growing the Beard did. It especially hurts that it's named after one controversy from mid-2000s gaming culture, that (as you saw before) just became one of many similar controversies in the following years (and is arguably not even the best-remembered controversy Jeff had, as just a year later he was fired from Gamespot over a 6/10 score for Kane & Lynch that went against all the advertising for said game on the site at the time.)

Edited by harryhenry on Sep 29th 2022 at 10:20:39 AM

We only have 366 wicks to go through.

So, I've just been checking the YMMV/ pages, and obviously most of the entries are more about audience reactions to the review rather than the work. I don't think game magazines have pages here, so do we just cut them?

Where does this In-Universe example from Borderlands 2 fit in?

• In the Campaign of Carnage DLC, a game critic gives one of Mister Torgue's favorite games a 6 out of 10 with a very shallow review that doesn't even go into detail. Mister Torgue orders the Vault Hunters kill the reviewer and his entire team in outrage. Their unsurprised reactions and preparedness to fight back when they see the Vault Hunters suggest this is pretty typical on Pandora.

Edited by DRCEQ on Oct 2nd 2022 at 12:13:25 PM

An exaggerated version of He Panned It, Now He Sucks! perhaps?

YMMV can't be played with, so it can't be exaggerated in the way we define it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 2nd 2022 at 5:51:03 AM

Added Complaining About People Not Liking the Show to the disambig page.

Can in-universe YMMV be played with?

I believe so, but disambiguated/cut tropes should still be cut if no clear replacement fits.

Down to 128 wicks. What do we do with the examples under TropeNamers.Internet and Video Games? Cut them as it's no longer a "trope"?

I think so.

Yes, remove them.

What should be done with the YMMV page for Gremlins Inc? The 8.8 example on there is the only one on the page.

Down to 7 wicks.

YMMV.Gremlins Inc

• Eight Point Eight: The game and its developers were involved in a notable spat when it received a review of 40% on Riot Pixels: itself a Russian website, but with a long and well-known history of giving harsh reviews to a lot of games. However, that was the lowest professional review it ever received, and it was in sharp contrast to the positive Western reviews it received before then, plunging its score on Metacritic from the "green" territory to "yellow" (though it is now back up). Predictably, the fans of the game immediately accused the reviewer and publication of stabbing their own in the back.
  • It then got worse when the publisher, Sergei Klimov, got involved in the comments, claiming that because the reviewer only played the game for 4 hours (which is still enough for multiple game sessions), and only played it in multiplayer while it was in Early Access, the review shouldn't be considered valid, and demanded an additional review. The publication countered with the author's decades-long experience with board games, to the point he co-founded Russian Guild of Board Game Developers, and refused to budge. This decision ultimately paid off, as the website's then-stagnant traffic rose steadily over the following months, far from the boycott Klimov hoped for. They buried the hatchet later that year, showing up on a stream of an Eador expansion, and not protesting when it also received a poor score.
    • In an amusing reversion, the current Metacritic user score is much closer to Riot Pixels' mark than that of most other reviewers; yet, the user score on Riot Pixels' own website is exactly equal to the current Metacritic.

The latter two bullets are irrelevant to this, but I'm not sure if the first is valid for moving to He Panned It, Now He Sucks!. Is it?

There's also Administrivia.Wick Cleaning Projects, Current Trope Repair Shop Threads, Sandbox.Eight Point Eight Wick Check, Sandbox.Trope Report Dummy Edition, and Wick Check Project. Once those are taken care of that just leaves Ambiguity Index where it should stay and we'll be done.

Uh, Sandbox.Trope Report Dummy Edition doesn't get changed, and nor do any official Trope Report wicks.

If the page would be left blank after the example is removed, cutlist the page

Yeah, Trope Report is a newsletter archive. We don't have to change those. I'll post the wick check here and then cut it.

Since everything else appears to done and Gremlins Inc was cutlisted, I'll lock this thread as resolved.

Wick Check Archive

Eight Point Eight is an opinion trope about review scores, and how some of them generate stirs in the fandom because they're too low or high when compared to the fans' actual opinion.

Total wicks: 50/50

Wicks

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 8th 2022 at 6:15:43 AM