Cleanup thread: Magnificent Bastard

Sure on Kunikida. For Witcher tree? Eh... Don't know

To specify, I meant that those MB's that only appear in books should be listed in Lit.

But if the books literally have no MB's or characters that appear but only count as MB's because of their game actions? I see absolutely no issue: Have them all listed on Video Games.

Guys... Kaz did an EP. Anyone had a judgement in him?

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 14th 2018 at 11:14:11 PM

Yes there.

to the Copellion Commander.

Now then, I’ve got a candidate that’s worth discussing to become a MB from Need for Speed: Carbon.

What’s the Work?

Need for Speed Carbon is a 2006 racing video game serving as the tenth installment of the Need for Speed series and a sequel to Need for Speed: Most Wanted.

The Player Character arrives at the fictional city Palmont after escaping authorities in Rockport. He starts to have flashback about the time he was in a street race in Palmont only for the cops to show up and arrest everyone there, with the exception of the player who makes his hasty escape.

Then back to the present day and Nathan Cross, a former police sergeant from Rockport in the previous games arrives who becomes a bounty hunter in this game arrives and crashes the player’s car and is about to arrest him. Then Cross is soon payed off and the player gets rescued by this man, my candidate Darius.

Who Is He? What Has He Done?

Darius is the leader of the street racing crew Staked Deck that dominated the Las Vegas theme district in Palmont, Silverton. He’s also the guy to pays off Cross and convinces the Player Character to retake territories from other crews in Pelmont, with the exception of his own of course, in order to clear his named and restore his reputation.

Thus the player follows him without question and just when he takes control of the three territories Darius tell him about, Darius reveals that he never had any intentions of helping out the player, only manipulating him to gain more territory for himself and his crew, then has Cross arrest him while Darius take the player’s hard earn territories and by an extension with his own territory gains control of the whole city.

It seems like its all lost only for the player’s ex-girlfriend Nikki to show up and pay off Cross into freeing the player, where she tell the player of the night that shaped the events of this game. (you know the flashback where all the racers but him got arrested) It turns out that it was Darius who orchestrated that event, by tipping off the police, switching the money bag, and letting the player escape, thus turning him into a fugitive, ruin his street creed, and stealing all the prize money for himself.

When Darius learns that Nikki has freed the player from Cross’ capture, he decides to strengthen his already powerful crew by recruiting the fallen crew member that lost their territories from the player under Darius’ manipulations. He has them race the player to see if they can beat him and when they failed Darius challenges the player himself to beat him and tarnish his reputation forever.

However the player wins the race and Darius accept his defeat quite well, giving his nice car (Audi Le Mans Quattro) and leaving the city. Before Darius leaves however, tells the player to "...enjoy it while it lasts. There's always someone out there who's a little faster than you are...and sooner or later they're going to catch up.”

Is He Intelligent? Is He Charismatic?

For intelligence as the leader of one of the most powerful street racing crews in Palmont, he has a lot of street smarts. He knows how street crews will act and react and exploits that to his own advantages, uses his connections with authorities to get rid of unwanted competition, and manipulates people into doing what he wants effortlessly.

As for charisma, Darius display absolute charm, coolness, and confidence in his abilities. He also doesn’t go into Smug Snake territory by being caution enough to be aware of the player’s skills in the streets and is prepare for any obstacle against him, such as recruiting the fallen crew members when he learns that Nikki bailed the player out, all without loosing his cool charm once.

Also he isn’t just a suave manipulator as he has the racing skills to back up his claim why he is the leader of one of the, if not the, most notorious street racing crew in Palmont and is just as skilled at racing, if not more so, as the player nearly beating him.

Even when Darius loses he reveals himself to be a Graceful Loser, giving the player his ride and leaves the city without loosing any of his cool nor throwing a hissy fit, only warning the player that other racers will challenge the player and try to take his throne.

What’s The Competition Like?

Darius is by far the most intelligent and charismatic villain in this series. Cross is too much of a dick to count, plus he’s only just trying to do his job.

The villain of Most Wanted, Razor is too much of an arrogant dick to qualify, with his only smarts being that he sabotaged the player’s car and unlike Darius, Razor is a Sore Loser.

As Darius said not all races are won in the track and he most certainly won the race for MB.

Is He A Bastard? Is He Too Much Of a Bastard?

Okay Darius leads the notorious street crew Staked Deck, thereby making him a criminal, frames the player for crimes he did not commits, and manipulates the player into getting more territories for him only to callously leave him at Cross’ mercy after he is no longer useful to him.

That said Darius never commits any deplorable crimes that would detract from his magnificence, is confident but never arrogant, seems to have a degree of respect for the player’s abilities, and accepts his defeat very well acknowledging that the player beat him.

Final Verdict

I’ll leave that to you guys!

Edited by G-Editor on Dec 14th 2018 at 6:35:25 AM

Yes to Kunikida, lean yea for Darius.

Ditto

Yea on Darius. Also, found this on Kongoh Bancho:

• Magnificent Bastard: Hikyou Bancho. He's a Dirty Coward and Manipulative Bastard... who is a far better fighter than you'd expect, when he shows himself to be a badass later on.
  • If L, Light,, and Lelouch donated their DNA to create the ultimate magnificent bastard, you'd likely get Hikyou Bancho: Until Machine Banchou's appearance, he is the only Banchou able to cause Kongou severe injuries, the most impressive trick causing Kongou to be hit by a freakin' semi truck! And he manages to perform all of these tricks while making sure that there is no way for his opponent to counter attack. He later defeats an enemy by drugging his food with laxatives the morning before the fight, and afterwards, as payback for trying to kill him and his friends, drugs him again, drags him into the woods, then beats him bloody. The victim is left a hikikomori, too scared to eat his favorite foods in fear of them being drugged again. Hikyou is a Magnificent Bastard of high caliber.

He seems... Interesting, but the entry mentions he's a dirty coward. @Lightysnake And since you know the series pretty well... Any opinions on him?

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 14th 2018 at 11:52:42 PM

And a yep on the previous two candidates.

Darius and kanchap

Kunikida and Darius.

Kunikida and Darius.

Kunikida and Darius

Also, here is this from Hey Arnold! The Jungle Movie:

• Magnificent Bastard: Lasombra. He took over the group that Arnold's parents' friend Eduardo worked for in order to arrange the Rigged Contest for the San Lorenzo field trip, naming the PS-118 class the winners when he sees Arnold is with them. He impersonated Eduardo himself to take the kids on his riverboat, manipulating Arnold into confiding in him and keeping the knowledge of Lasombra being after him a secret from his friends, and when a boat carrying men working for the real Eduardo came in pursuit, he claimed they were Lasombra and his crew and that he was changing course to get the class to safety when it reality he was luring them into his pre-arranged trap. When Arnold, Gerald, and Helga escape from their imprisonment, Lasombra had anticipated this happening and had already placed a tracking device on Arnold. As he and his crew followed the kids' trail, Lasombra anticipated all the booby traps and had his crew members take all the blows instead. He very nearly succeeded in taking the Corazon for himself, even narrowly averting a Disney Villain Death (at first) and prolonging his own death by poison just for one last shot at taking it.

I think someone was musing about proposing him but someone else quickly said he’s far from this trope. Either way cut it for now please.

I was the one who said he was far from this trope. My memory on him is kind of fussy though but I thought he was too much of a Smug Snake. I am willing to hear out an EP though since like I said my memory is fussy on him.

Fair enough, guess we'll see where it goes then.

To Darius

Alrighty before I forget here's Darius' write-up:

• Need for Speed: Carbon: Darius is the leader of the notorious Stacked Deck street racing crew in Palmont City. Bailing the Player Character out, Darius has him race other crew leaders so he can take control of their territories and sells the player out to the bounty hunter, Nathan Cross, once he is of no use to him. It's been revealed that Darius caused the event that tarnished the player's reputation by tipping off the police of a street race the player was participating in, switched the money bag, and letting the player escape Palmont. When Darius learns that Nikki made a deal with Cross to free the player, recruits the fallen crew leaders to Stacked Deck and has them race the player before racing him personally. With his cunning only matched by his racing skills, Darius nearly defeats the player on the track before accepting his defeat with grace merely telling the player to enjoy his victory while it last as there's always someone out there who's a little faster than him and eventually they're gonna catch up.

Also since there’s a chance that Zaheer might qualify, whose going to do his EP and Write-up?

Edited by G-Editor on Dec 15th 2018 at 4:12:25 AM

I'm sure someone will get to it... wouldn't worry about it too much.

I'll get to it sooner or later. Ditto the Voltron discussion in two weeks.

Edited by Lightysnake on Dec 15th 2018 at 6:58:19 AM

@Lightysnake Your opinion on Kongoh Bancho Lighty?

That's a tough one, need to think. Hikkyou would qualify for this hands fucking down no question....the thing is, he has a Defeat Means Friendship and joins the heroes after his intro arc, though he never loses his underhanded demeanor...but he's a straight up fighter for the good guys for the rest of the series.

The 'coward' thing isn't really accurate...it's more that is enemies call him that because he's sneaky, underhanded and ruthless, so he takes it as a compliment.

@Lightysnake So wanna add that on your to-do list to solve the cases haha...

Speaking of the same circumstances... I've been meaning to do Shichirou Ougi but I'm not sure since at the end of the day, he performs a heel face turn pretty fast despite siding with the Big Bad at first. Same with the Big Bad but not Yumeji but I feel he's obsessed with his revenge against Yumeji that I'm not sure if he qualifies as an MB

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Dec 16th 2018 at 2:41:01 AM

Might as well. Hikkyou Bancho is pretty far from a coward as would be disqualifying. His entire thing is fighting dirty, but his ultimate goal is to protect and provide for all the kids in an orphanage who he considers his brothers and sisters, he's loyal to his friends to a fault and he's ultimately one of the heroes. He's either one of the most heroic MB's out there (Granted, one of his first acts when he's a villain is forcing a man to fight the hero by threatening his parents, which is Characterization Marches On in the extreme), or one of the darker Guile Hero ones.

Takeshi Kongoh, however...likely qualifies and Voltron gave us a pair.

Edited by Lightysnake on Dec 15th 2018 at 11:42:06 AM

Here's what I've got:

• Clean Room: Astrid Mueller is a brilliant young woman devoted to ruthlessly guarding humanity from the Entities. Using the Clean Room, alien technology to peruse the past and memories, Astrid uses blackmail, coercion and manipulation to maintain control. Surrounding herself with loyal men and women, Astrid makes certain they have psychological flaws she can exploit to break them should they betray her, and when her company's board tries to betray her, Astrid outlasts an assassination attempt, turns the assassin to her side and outplays them effortlessly. Astrid proceeds to outwit all the entities, foiling their invasion and even sacrifices her own reputation to keep humanity's innocence at the horrors of the void intact, maintaining a true care for humanity and those around her.
• The Light Brigade, by Peter Tomasi: Zephon is the last of the Grigori; an order of angels who once watched humanity and fathered half-human children known as Nephilim. Desiring his revenge for his lost brethren and children, Zephon infiltrates the Nazi ranks with his Nephilim soldiers and uses the Nazis as proxies so he may recover the sword of god and place himself close to the Holy Flame to kindle the blade to allow him to defeat God himself. Laying siege to a monastery guarded by the soldiers known as the Light Brigade, Zephon strategically wears them down and fights his way through, even using a captured ally plane in a kamikaze run to give himself access. With his unshakable conviction and desire to see his Nephilim given their deserved wings, Zephon will stop at nothing at his revenge upon heaven.
• Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol: The ingenious Kurt Hendricks is a former specialist in nuclear endgame theory, who grew weary of treating the lives of millions like a game, and came to the conclusion that nuclear war is an inevitability, no matter what efforts he takes. Introduced hijacking the IMF's operation to break into the Kremlin, Hendricks frames the agency for bombing the landmark, effortlessly stirring tensions between the U.S. and Russia to levels not seen since the Cold War. Abducting the family of a nuclear physicist, Hendricks forces the man to verify nuclear launch codes, killing him afterwards because he knows too much, though he does allow the man's family to live. Launching a missile towards San Francisco in hopes of inciting nuclear armageddon, causing any survivors in the aftermath to declare a worldwide armistice, Hendricks manages to hold his own against Ethan Hunt in a fight for the command briefcase, and, knowing when he's beat, simply leaps to his death to ensure his plan succeeds, literally coming within a second of accomplishing his goals. Despite his omnicidal visions and sheer ruthlessness, Hendricks genuinely believes that Utopia Justifies the Means, and manages to play the IMF and the world's governments for fools all the while.
• Don't Be a Hero, by Chris Strange: Morgan "Quanta" Shepherd is a man with the power to control light. Inspired by superheroes, Shepherd ends up revolted at the world's ingratitude towards them. Fashioning himself into the supervillain Quanta, he orchestrates mass breakouts of supervillains, fashioning himself into a charismatic leader for them as he orchestrates brutal attacks and experiments with the purpose of forcing the world to realize the necessity for superheroes again. Attempting to turn the young boy Sam into a living, superpowered weapon, Quanta pulls off a major plan in a matter of days, creating a near catastrophic tragedy, all the inspire the return of heroes to stop villains like him with near perfect success.
• Darksiders III: The true villain of the game, Envy, possesses Fury's Watcher and spends the entire game steadily manipulating her to Envy's own ends. Having Envy eliminate all the Seven sins, Envy emerges when Pride has been defeated to usurp all their power and to defeat Fury effortlessly. Declaring that the world will be hers, Envy proceeds to storm over to the Charred Council and nearly erases them herself to achieve her own ends, showcasing a brilliant and cunning mind underneath her selfishness and deadliness.
• Need for Speed: Carbon: Darius is the leader of the notorious Stacked Deck street racing crew in Palmont City. Bailing the Player Character out, Darius has him race other crew leaders so he can take control of their territories and sells the player out to the bounty hunter, Nathan Cross, once he is of no use to him. It's been revealed that Darius caused the event that tarnished the player's reputation by tipping off the police of a street race the player was participating in, switched the money bag, and letting the player escape Palmont. When Darius learns that Nikki made a deal with Cross to free the player, he recruits the fallen crew leaders to Stacked Deck and has them race the player before racing him personally. With his cunning only matched by his racing skills, Darius nearly defeats the player on the track before accepting his defeat with grace merely telling the player to enjoy his victory while it last as there's always someone out there who's a little faster than him and eventually they're gonna catch up.
• Spider Man: Faking a Heel–Face Turn to present a heroic face to the world, Dr. Otto Octavius plots to force humanity's advancement through the symbiotes. Using proxy criminals to create distractions, Octavius steals vital technology to blanket New York in fog and unleash the symbiotes. Mastering the symbiotes and even keeping the unstable Carnage on a leash, Octavius manages to infest much of New York, nearly pulling off his plane right under Spider-Man's nose while escaping suspicion.
• The Witcher:
  • Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, the White Flame Dancing on the Barrows of his enemies, is a cunning Evil Overlord once overthrown in Nilfgaard as a prince. Surviving a curse and being hunted, he learned of the ancient prophecy of the Elder Blood, and married Princess Pavetta of Cintra to sire series heroine Cirilla. Eventually faking his death as the knight Duny, he returned to Nilfgaard, seizing the throne and committed to a brutal, expansionist war. Always learning from his errors, Emhyr eventually realized he loved his daughter Ciri too much to complete the prophecy by fathering a child with her and released her to Geralt, trusting him to protect her. Once again return to conquer the Northern Kingdoms, Emhyr uses Letho the Kingslayer to sow discord and leave the land open to his armies while asking Geralt to find Ciri again. In most endings, Emhyr ends up victorious, eliminating all would-be threats to his rule and can even abdicate in favor of Ciri, content at achieving all he wanted.
  • Siegsmund Djikstra is the former spymaster of Redania. A brilliant man in contrast to his thuggish appearance who manipulates entire nations in his game, Djikstra heads up a resistance to King Radovid, helping nonhumans and magic users escape Radovid's brutal purges, all while manipulating his allies to help set him up on the Redanian throne. Organizing Radovid's downfall, Djikstra reveals his trap upon his Temerian allies: to eliminate them and rule Redania from the shadows. If this succeeds, Djikstra removes most freedoms from Redania but is so successful, he will even result in the defeat of the unstoppable Nilfgaardian armies.
  • Video Games:
    • The Witcher: Jacques de Aldersberg, Grand Master of the Order of the Flaming Rose, is the mastermind behind all major events in the first game. Having made power plays with both people in high places as well as in the criminal underworld, he sets a plan in motion to destabilize the kingdom of Temeria, leading his knights on a crusade against non-humans and thus provoking the militant Scoia'tael, which ultimately ends in a bloody civil war. This puts King Foltest into a delicate situation, where he either has to give Jacques full authority to end the revolt or do nothing, making him look like a weak ruler. His knights are secretly funded by the drug money his ally, the criminal organization Salamandra, makes for him, which allows Jacques to present the order as humble heroes of the people who fulfill their needs for free. His ultimate plan is turning mankind into highly advanced mutants with the help of the stolen Witcher Secrets, and leading them southwards to survive the incoming White Frost. Throughout his conversations with Geralt, who later turns out was his former adoptive father, he tries to convince him of the righteousness of his cause, having sacrificed everything to save humanity (wether it wants it or not) in an almost flawlessly executed scheme.
    • The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings: Letho of Gulet is a talented Witcher who joins with Nilfgaard to create a homeland for his fellow Witchers. Letho becomes the Kingslayer, a feared assassin who uses his wiles to position himself close to the rulers of the northern kingdoms and assassinates them, provoking chaotic reactions in order to weaken the north so Nilfgaard will be able to invade. Against Geralt, Letho shows himself to be a crafty, skilled fighter who even considers the White Wolf a friend worthy of the greatest respect. A brutish looking man, Letho also uses the appearance of Dumb Muscle to his advantage so none know how truly intelligent and dangerous he is until it's too late.
    • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt: Gaunter O'Dimm, AKA Master Mirror or evil incarnate is the cunning devil of the Witcher-verse. Traveling and punishing the arrogant in inventive ways, Gaunter makes deals with people and takes their souls when he has fulfilled his end. A master of Exact Words, Gaunter eventually conscripts Geralt to help fulfill a bargain with the immortal swordsman Olgierd von Everec, completely tricking Olgierd before moving to claim his soul, only stopped if Geralt participates in a final contest with him. Despite being a timeless evil being, Gaunter is unmistakably charming and pleasant, willing to play to the letter of his deals and treats enemy and ally alike with unmistakable pleasantness, quick to answer any slight with retribution.
• DC Universe Animated Original Movies:
  • Justice League: Doom: Vandal Savage, the Big Bad, steals all of Batman's plans aimed at incapacitating the Justice League should they ever turn to darkness or prove too dangerous, taking them and making them far more lethal and dangerous. Recruiting his very own Legion of Doom, Vandal has them lure the League into traps before putting the countermeasures into placing, nearly killing every single member of the League in a single night. Vandal reveals his true plans to cause a solar flare to strike earth so he may cause the conflict that he feels is necessary for human advancement and cause the world to submit to his rule, offering to share the rulership with his new Legion. A charming, sophisticated villain, Vandal shows he has surpassed the savagery he has born into, nearly completely erasing the League in one fell stroke with the world falling perilously close to Vandal's utter victory.
  • Batman: Under the Red Hood: Jason Todd, after his death at the hands of The Joker and his revival, becomes a much darker figure. Becoming the Red Hood, Jason sets about on his revenge, manipulating Batman, Gotham's criminal enterprises and even the League of Assassins to engineer conflicts to bring him close to the Joker and Batman. Confronting his former mentor, Jason reveals his deep bitterness at the Joker's survival, declaring he believed he would be the last person Batman ever let the Joker hurt. With a manipulative genius to rival even Batman and a hunger to see his own brutal justice enacted, Jason shows he is more than a match for the world's greatest Detective.

Any last-minuters?

Edited by 43110 on Dec 16th 2018 at 10:55:37 AM