The Scrappy Cleanup

I think Creator's Pet is normally brought up in the general removing complaining thread.

That said, I agree that the pothole should be removed. Given the general fan consensus that everything and everyone in the show took a vast nosedive in quality towards its end, I'm deeply skeptical of attempting to single out any particular character in Game of Thrones' last seasons as particularly unpopular, for the same reason we don't list Scrappies for works where no one particularly likes any of the characters in the first place.

I thought we had a Creator's Pest cleanup.

Someone added this in Stranger Things:

• Due to his increased whinniness, and decreased importance to the overall plots (to the points that you could have cut him out of seasons season three and four and not miss much) Mike is gradually on his way to scrappyhood.

whinniness?

example admits it's not an example, pure complaining, dissolve it in acid.

This was added to the YMMV subpage of The Umbrella Academy (2019)

• The Scrappy: While Allison was at worse a Base-Breaking Character in Season 1 and to a lesser extent 2, a LOT of people have turned on her character in Season 3. First, a sizable amount of people were annoyed with her at the beginning for complaining about Claire being erased, despite barely mentioning her in Season 2 and despite Reginald never adopting her and her other siblings which obviously meant she'd have a different life and thus likely have never conceived Claire, yet a good amount of people were still sympathetic to her pain and trauma from both losing Claire and her experiences with racism in the past plus losing Ray as well. However, after Allison rumors Luther to want to have sex with her, only stopping because he ends up being rougher with her than she liked, she completely lost most people's sympathy. And if that weren't bad enough, Allison further loses people when she murders Harlan after he confesses to causing the time paradox by killing their mothers, despite him pleading with her that it was an accident, with her only killing him because she blames him for Claire not being born. After that, people started clamoring for Allison's death instead, wishing that Viktor would have finished the job back in Season 1, and very few people were impressed that Allison seems to have gotten everything she wanted during the Season 3 finale.

It hasn't yet been six months since Season 3 aired so can this be cut? Thanks.

Since the waiting period is six months after the character is introduced or becomes hated, I'd say, yes, you can cut the entry.

On Legend of the Three Caballeros, Daisy Duck's The Scrappy entry was changed to Replacement Scrappy. She's not replacing any character, so I reverted it to The Scrappy. I hope I did the right thing.

On YMMV.Kamen Rider Revice, I removed two entries for the scrappy entry because it was not 6 months after the character became disliked. That being said, I'm beginning to think he could become a potential complaining magnet here. Would appreciate some help.

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From Great Expectations:

• The Scrappy: Most readers did not like Estella, finding her cold and haughty persona intolerable. There is an in-universe reason for it which makes her a little more sympathetic, but they also felt that Charles Dickens got really carried away with the descriptions of her beauty, and Pip pretty much falls for her based on her beauty alone even though she treats him with indifference at best. It was the 19th century where young men weren't able to socialize with women like they can now, but this comes across as shallow now. She does go through some Character Development that humbles her and makes her more friendly, but this happens at the very end. And off-screen.

As someone who is familiar with this book, I don't think Estella is unintentionally hated. For one there was the fact that people in the past wanted a happier ending to the story where Pip ends up with ehr—in the 19th century, Dickens' close friends wanted a more romantic ending for the story, which led to the ending being significantly revised. Also she isn't portrayed extremely negatively in most adaptations of the original story, which also uses the aforementioned sappy ending that got published(and the 1940s film adaptation had an ending where she and Pip flat out go off into the sunset together happily) over the original ending, so the idea of her and Pip ending up together or at least reconciling isn't necessarily seen as a bad idea.

Now, from the consensus I was able to discover, the more modern arguments and interpretations favor the original ending, but the consensus I have from the people that argue in favor of the original ending is more "life isn't fair" or "the old ending fits the theme and characterization of the book" over "Estella is a @#*(@#*( and got what she deserved". Also most people I am aware of that read the book feel bad for her, even those that prefer the original ending.

Then there's the likely bias and straight up Values Dissonance for a almost 200 year old story expressed in the entry like the quote about "It was the 19th century where young men weren't able to socialize with women like they can now, but this comes across as shallow now".

Edited by xie323 on Jul 18th 2022 at 8:29:00 AM

This was brought up last year, but no action was taken. Someone added Gopher to YMMV.The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh.

• The Scrappy: Gopher is not popular among fans of the franchise, especially British fans of the original A.A. Milne books, as Gopher isn't in the books. He was created to give the films more appeal to American audiences and is often criticised for being symbolic of the heavy Americanisation the franchise has undergone under Disney. Furthermore, as gophers are native only to North and Central America, his inclusion has effectively changed the location of the Hundred Acre Wood (and other locations in the forest Winnie-the-Pooh and his friends live in) to the United States, whereas the original books are clearly set in England (specifically in Ashdown Forest, West Sussex). Thanks to his general unpopularity, Gopher was excluded from the 2011 animated film and the 2018 live-action film Christopher Robin, as both were specifically designed to be a lot more faithful to the original books and thus more appealing to British audiences.

I have followed the Winnie the Pooh franchise for many, many years and I have never seen any fan hatred of Gopher. And as others mentioned, Gopher does have his fans. Also, the bit about gophers not being native to England is a pretty ridiculous complaint when there's a tiger and kangaroos in the main cast. Permission to delete this?

Edited by TVRulezAgain on Jul 24th 2022 at 5:09:43 AM

If he's hated in England more than America, it could fall under Americans Hate Tingle.

So delete the Scrappy entry and replace parts of it with Americans Hate Tingle?

So, this is on TheScrappy.Western Animation, and the first seven words immediately raise a red flag.

• If there are any Johnny Test fans, few of them have anything but hatred for Johnny's dad Hugh, for being an extremely Lawful Stupid authoritarian to his family; even the writers don't seem to like him a lot.

Admittedly, I may be partially responsible for this since I actually deleted two other Scrappy entries for this show, leaving behind only this one as a ZCE, so somebody else added this first bit. But yeah, a Scrappy entry that questions if the show in question has any fans isn't good. The YMMV page at least makes it out like it at least has some fans though, so would it be enough to trim it down to this? Or does it still need more context?

• Few Johnny Test fans have anything but hatred for Johnny's dad Hugh, for being an extremely Lawful Stupid authoritarian to his family; even the writers don't seem to like him a lot.

Also dang, that was my very first edit per thread. How the time flies.

I’m gonna put some Gloom in your eye.

The whole "If there are any Johnny Test fans" thing really doesn't win me over either. It sure sounds like whoever wrote it either has never spoken to actual fans of the show.

I think Cameron from Pokémon the Series: Black & White counts as a scrappy. I'm saying this because I noticed that the creators have intentionally excluded Cameron from future episodes of the show. The fact that he was excluded in the latest Pokemon episode in which Ash's rivals showed up as a cameo just showed that the staff realizes that nobody wants to see him again.

I could have sworn he had an entry already. Did it get purged during page reshuffling?

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

People claim that his case is Americans Hate Tingle, but I am hearing from other sources that Cameron isn't entirely popular in other countries either.

YMMV.Crayon Shin Chan

• The Scrappy:
  • Ai, who manages to combine Royal Brat, Abhorrent Admirer (to Shin) and Karma Houdini (nobody ever calls her out on her condescending behaviour) into one annoying character when she's seen. May have been intentional though, as nobody in-universe really likes her either (save for poor Masao, who has a crush on her but is often treated like the dirt under her fingernails whenever they interact).
  • If Ai is included, so does Penny. After she Took a Level in Jerkass, she develops a Hair-Trigger Temper and became bullying towards the gang (particularly Masao), mostly forcing them into playing "Extremely Real Tea Party" with her in a normal day. She's also this in-universe, where even Shin Chan is sometimes scared of her.

Both examples admit that they aren't liked in-universe either.

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

Cut them both. Ai is a manipulative jerkass who is meant to be unsympathetic, while Nene/Penny Took a Level in Jerkass and became a bully in later chapters.

Question: can a character who is Hated by All, but is not The Scrappy be classified as Alas, Poor Scrappy? (Note the character was designed to be a Hate Sink, and is a confirmed Creator's Pest — so most people hate the character in-universe and out.)

I'm trying to decide whether the below entry should be deleted, moved to Alas, Poor Villain (as the creators confirmed the sympathy angle was deliberate) or left in place but rewritten to clean-up the sentence structure and some sinkholes.

• invoked Since Adam Taurus on RWBY has spent most of his screen time being an utterly loathsome Hate Sink (it really says something where the fact that he's a Domestic Abuser is one of the least horrible aspects of his personality), his final fight with Blake and Yang was expected by the fans to be quite the Catharsis Factor since it would see him finally get what's coming to him. However, the battle instead had him revealing the face he's been hiding behind his mask for so many years like a wounded animal - Namely, a brand that has been burned over his left eye with the SDC logo. It's then revealed that both the Fantastic Racism and corrupt business practices of Jacques Schnee of the Schnee Dust Company are (partly) responsible for helping turn Taurus into the monster he ultimately became. So, while it certainly doesn't excuse all of his horrible acts, one can't help but sympathize with Taurus to a certain extent in how he was essentially shoved down the road to becoming a monster without any choice on his part.]] This was even lampshaded in how Rooster Teeth stated that they wanted the audience to feel at least some sympathy for a character that should never normally receive it.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 27th 2022 at 7:32:18 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Think we should cut these two entries from MÄR

• On the villain's side, Girom is thoroughly despised for being an obnoxious, sadistic Serial Killer that specifically targets women, and for being a coward every time he's cornered, which occurs every time he fights. This hate increased once he crossed the Moral Event Horizon by killing Aqua, a Chess Piece beloved by the fans, in a cruel Kick the Dog moment. Made even worse by the fact that he's spared and remains alive to the end of the series in spite of his actions and continuing to cause hardships for the heroes even after Ginta spares him time and again. He also lacks the Evil Is Cool and Love to Hate factor by having no redeeming qualities aside for his love for his equally repulsive sister, Rapunzel.
• Rapunzel, much like her brother, is not liked by the fandom and one of the few Knights to avert the Evil Is Cool and Love to Hate aesthetic of the group. She's a perpetually screaming, narcissist who belittles everyone else for being ugly in spite of being very hideous, obnoxious and incredibly Stupid Evil for her short-sighted Bad Boss antics that resulted in her entire team being killed almost entirely by her own hands, overall coming across as a violent irritation to everyone around her than a truly disturbing psychopath to not tread lightly. Her one redeeming quality of caring for Girom feels shallow as he's just as unsympathetic as her, and even with her Freudian Excuse, it rings hollow as she and Girom are all too happy to be proud, arrogant, remorseless murderers, especially in comparison to Phantom and Chimera's who've suffered far worse in comparison to put it lightly. Her antics eventually got on Phantom's nerves and has Ian kill her to replace her amongst the Knight Ranks. And aside from Girom, no one in-universe or out-universe felt any remorse or pity for her passing.

These two entries are describing them as Hate Sinks. Not how they're poorly written or if they damage the story. Maybe Girom being a Karma Houdini could be a factor for hate unintended by the author, but everything about Rapunzel's entry is fully intended by the author to have her hated. (Her backstory even being called out in-universe by Dorothy to show how she's not meant to be sympathized with)

Edited by Awesomekid42 on Aug 8th 2022 at 9:10:53 AM

That should go to Alas, Poor Villain yes.

Give them both Hate Sink entries and delete these.

I would like to add the following example to the Final Fantasy page for Scrappies; it's a character from Final Fantasy XIV. Please let me know if this counts.

• Ran'jit was meant to be seen as a Tragic Villain and Badass Normal in Shadowbringers, but the story's attempts to sell him as such fell flat. He once fought against the Sin Eaters by helping train "Minfilia", but seeing her die over and over again broke him, and believing nothing could be done, he submitted himself to Vauthry's rule as The Dragon with the intention of locking Ryne up until the world ends. While his backstory is sympathetic, his actions in-game make him one of the most hated characters in all of XIV. He constantly talks down to the heroes, treats "Minfilia" as more like property, and is a jerk to everyone even when he's trying to act as an emissary. Not helping is the presence of both Vauthry and Emet-Selch, two villains who are considered among the best of XIV. The former is enjoyable for how evil he is and how he constantly acts the ham whenever he's onscreen, while the latter is an Anti-Villain that greatly expands the story and provides a lot of entertaining moments. Ran'jit also lacks being entertaining to fight — you fight him four times across Shadowbringers, where the first two are hopeless and the third is a one-on-one with Thancred which ends ten minutes and five new mechanics after it's worn out its welcome. As such, Ran'jit is a character that isn't fun to watch or to fight, and he's generally seen by the playerbase of XIV as the least-entertaining antagonist in the entire game.

Edited by KingLyger on Aug 9th 2022 at 12:58:28 PM

The fantasy RPG videos that play in my head are amazing.

I wanna bring up the following example of Replacement Scrappy from Pokémon X and Y:

• Replacement Scrappy: The new Champion is seen as a step back from previous champions, for doing absolutely nothing to help the player fight Team Flare, having an easy team to beat, and having an easy-to-guess identity since she's the only unique NPC we see early on who isn't blatantly a member of Team Flare or a Gym Leader besides Alexa.

While this is all true, does she really count as a Replacement Scrappy? She's not exactly replacing anybody ala Wallace replacing Steven, Iris replacing Alder or Hau replacing Kukui, she's a new character in a completely new generation. It's weird to me to say that every champion is replacing the one from the previous generation when they generally have little connection (except for the abovementioned examples) so I'm wondering if the entry shouldn't just be retooled into a regular Scrappy entry instead.

Yeah, Diantha didn't "replace" anyone, she's just a lackluster champion after a chain of pretty solid ones.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 10th 2022 at 3:34:34 PM

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