Is this an example?

I think Would Hurt a Child excludes teenagers.

This post was originally on the previous page, but since it got bottom-paged, I'm posting it here for greater visibility.

Once again bringing up my previous queries about Art Evolution, especially since Shin Megami Tensei V has another entry I am not sure is actually an example. This is under the Lucifer folder:

Once again, I have my doubts this is an example because:

• Doi is not the original artist of Lucifer's classic design, so it's not really his art evolving as time goes on.
• I'm not sure "new designs" count as art evolution, especially when the artist doing the redesign isn't even the same artist. Shin Megami Tensei is no stranger to having demons get new designs in different games, after all.
• There's no evidence that this new design for Lucifer will even last past the most recent game, so it's not even confirmed to be a permanent change.

On Polyamory

In a truly bizarre example, the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic episode "Hard to Say Anything" has Sweetie Belle pairing up Feather Bangs, who had just lost to Big Mac in a contest to win somepony's love, with the three fangirls who had been following him throughout the episode. It's not even a matter of "Pick one," she just encourages him to go with all three of them, and nopony acknowledges this as being out of the ordinary. Perhaps it's just another example of real-life horse behaviour leaking into pony society.

Is it fair that I think the truly bizarre part should be removed? I don't think it's very bizarre for the tropes in question. I have not seen the episode in question, so maybe the actual happening is that weird and they just havent properly explained why. Or is it just because it's a children's show?

I don't remember the episode much but looking into it, there's an implication that they're offering Feather Bangs three chances to flirt with girls, not having him date them all at once. In fact he's too nervous to outright talk to any of them, so it's unclear if he ends up dating any of them, much less all three.

This real life entry exists on the BagOfSpilling.Other Media page:

• This isn't all that uncommon in the military in regards to issued kit. Aside from the obvious of not letting you hang onto your service weapon, often you'll be granted mission-specific kit for a deployment, and made to return it when you come home, or asked to turn in a lot of your gear when being posted from one base to another. Yes it can be as silly as returning your battle rattle (tactical vest, ballistic vest, etc) to supply, moving to a new base, and then being reissued new battle rattle because you need it. Of course, you give them back almost everything when you release from the military, except for the "next-to-skin" stuff like undershirts, socks, and underwear — yeah... you can keep that.

Is this a legitimate example? Is it even possible to have a Real Life section for this trope? It's not like life has sequels (well, unless you believe in reincarnation, of course, which this example is definitely not about).

Reposting from the previous pages:

Is it me or would this example from Transformers: Energon seem like it would fit better under Pop-Culture Urban Legends:

• Common Knowledge: It's a popular rumor that Starscream in the original Japanese version is a clone (probably stemming from how he is renamed to "Nightscream" only in Japan) and that the dub changed him to the same character as his Armada self. In actuality, even the original dialogue refers to "Nightscream" as one of Megatron's past soldiers and Alpha Q just gives him a new name, meaning he's a revived Starscream there too.

And from the same page can one work qualify as a Dork Age?:

• Dork Age: Beyond simply being regarded as an inferior sequel to Armada (by both the show's fans and detractors), it's regarded as the worst TF show period, due to wasted potential, terrible CGI, and very poor dubbing.

Adaptation Title Change lists Gotham as an example of this trope, since the title isn't "Batman". "Batman" is an entire franchise, not a work, so does it still count?

The series focus of different characters in Gotham and Bruce doesn't become Batman until the end. So remove it.

Edited by WhirlRX on Nov 17th 2021 at 9:52:36 AM

Found this on jubeat:

• Long Song, Short Scene: "Senbonzakura" appeared in jubeat saucer for all of 20 days before being permanently removed from arcade jubeat games. Fortunately, it lives on in the consumer-exclusive jubeat plus.
  • As of clan, "Senbonzakura" has been revived.

The Long Song, Short Scene trope is about when only part of a song is used rather than playing it in full ^note (which in fact could apply to the in-game version of this song, being cut down to a convenient length like lots of rhythm game songs in general, but that's not what the example mentions), so this would be misuse, right?

Yeah, that's a misuse as described. Did someone rewick it from its old name of "Wasted Song" without reading the example, or what?

ShoutOut.Copy Kitty: Gameplay Mechanics:

• This game has a dedicated kick button, just like Iji.

Although, there are other Iji shout-outs, so maybe?

Edited by Malady on Nov 17th 2021 at 9:43:26 AM

As an Iji fan, cut. Too many games have dedicated kick buttons (and now I'm reminded of Saints Row's dedicated groin attack button). The rest of the Iji shoutouts can stay, though.

If a trait that is an Informed Attribute in canon gets expanded upon in a fanfiction, does that count as notable enough to be listed as averted Informed Attribute in the fanfiction?

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 17th 2021 at 2:18:35 PM

From Characters.Toy Story Lotso:

• 0% Approval Rating: While Lotso rules Sunnyside Daycare, there is not a single toy that likes him. Even his own minions serve him out of fear, and eventually turn against him when his abuse and nihilism go too far.

Is this a valid example or should it be under Hated by All?

Moving this here from ATT:

I found this in Lexa's folder on The 100: Grounders:

• Breakout Character: Became arguably the most popular character on the show because of being a badass and one of the few well developed lesbian characters on TV that got the attention of the LGBT community.
  • The show runners have stated that, if her actress hadn't signed with another show prior to her appearance on this show, they would have made her a main character, and this appears to be the reason why she plays a big role in Season 3 and she is even used to promote the season and is given more focus in the first episodes, as it was implied that her story was originally supposed to be over at the end of Season 2.

She became incredibly popular that is true, that is not in question, but according to the tropes description they need to be made a main character. Which didn't happen here. That said she was planned to be made one and once she dies she is brought up repeatedly and is promoted to Clarke's One True Love. Is that enough to keep? Or is this a misuse?

That looks like misuse if she remains a supporting character, but maybe the plans could fit in some sort of trivia, like What Could Have Been.

What's the difference between Adaptational Nice Guy and Adaptational Heroism? Because Pinocchio is listed as both.

One is more for personality (or just general) and the other is for actions (an argument should be made why the original wasn't as heroic). Being nice and heroic often happen at the same time but they're not always the same thing. As for Pinoccio, the Adaptational Heroism sounds like a misuse to me.

You can additionally ask at Similar tropes cleanup if it doesn't get resolved here.

Want some second opinions on these from YMMV.Multi Versus:

• Critical Research Failure:
  • The website's bios place Harley Quinn's first appearance as October 1999 with Batman: Harley Quinn #1, when her first actual appearance was September 1992 in the Batman: The Animated Series episode "Joker's Favor".
  • Similarly, Arya Stark's bio has her first appearance as specifically Game of Thrones the HBO series instead of (A) Game of Thrones the novel, though this is justified by how Arya is based off and voiced by Maisie Williams' portrayal.

I can see the Harley one since the other characters' "first appearance" listings are immensely accurate (down to the Steven Universe and Adventure Time characters being listed with the dates of their pilots rather than the first episode of their shows proper), but if Arya is specifically based on her live-action iteration, is it a research failure?

Since they're basing her on her TV portrayal, there's no research failure, so it doesn't fit.

Okay so I was going to go remove the Arya example and found someone added this to Harley's:

• The website's bios place Harley Quinn's first appearance as October 1999 with Batman: Harley Quinn #1, when her first actual appearance was September 1992 in the Batman: The Animated Series episode "Joker's Favor". Granted, since this Harley resembles her pre-DC Infinite Frontier look and the website character blurb mentions that she parted ways with the Joker, it may be intended to be the comic version, not the animated version.

Yeah I don't know.

ValuesDissonance.Literature:

• In Claudia and the Phantom Phone Calls, Kristy and Claudia begin receiving mysterious hang-up calls which they think are connected to reports of a prowler in the neighborhood. The calls turn out to have been made by two boys in their class who wanted to ask the girls to a school dance, but were too shy to speak to them. Kristy and Claudia are happy with this and end up going to the dance with them - in a modern setting, the boys' behavior would likely be considered a form of harassment.

Eh? What if they're just really really chickening out hard? It's functionally but not intentional harassment?

Edited by Malady on Nov 19th 2021 at 6:26:46 AM

Critical Research Failure is in TRS, so hold your breath.

Sounds like it's a valid interpretation, then. Remember Values Dissonance is YMMV; you don't have to agree.

Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 19th 2021 at 12:22:23 PM

Is this example from Franchise.Godzilla superfluous to Alternate Continuity or Continuity Reboot, and too wordy?:

• Story Reset: Five times over the course of the series. The first time was in The Return of Godzilla, which was set after the original film but disregarded all the others to establish a new continuity. Starting with Godzilla 2000, they released four movies in a row — Godzilla vs. Megaguirus, Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack! , and Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla — as direct sequels to the original film before making a direct sequel to the last one. Godzilla: Final Wars would finally move away from the original film, and Shin Godzilla and Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters are updated origin stories for the character.

I am unsure if I should add Pokémon GO to Demographic-Dissonant Crossover, Parental Bonus, or "Sesame Street" Cred given that there's an official crossover with Ed Sheeran who appeared in the very mature Game of Thrones.

To be fair, Pokémon GO is not targeted to children, despite belonging to a franchise primarily marketed towards children.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/qwiarf/pokA9mon_go_x_ed_sheeran_event_overview_legendslima/

Edited by Nen_desharu on Nov 19th 2021 at 11:09:40 AM