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  • Anytime a mutant cure is brought up, the X-Men seem to treat it as an unambiguously wrong thing. This in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an And I Must Scream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and corporations have no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly mocked in this infamous post.
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  • In spite of his knack for Anvilicious strawmen, Jack Chick still manages to create some that present better arguments than his "heroes". Especially when Chick's counter argument consists of someone saying nothing more than "That's a lie!" This is most prevalent in his tract about evolution - Teacher: "We've got a vestigial tailbone. That indicates evolution!" Kid: "It's not vestigial. It's got muscles on it."
  • The anti-reg side of Marvel's Crisis Crossover Civil War. Especially egregious given that for decades, Marvel's been giving us storylines where the same arguments the anti-reg side used were treated as unambiguously right. This is lampshaded by a What If? special where Nova (returning to Earth to rally the heroes against the Annihilation Wave) gives one big "What the hell, everybody?" speech when he lands in the middle of what would've been the final battle.
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  • Another Marvel example. Skarr, Son Of The Hulk, was hit with this really hard throughout his entire miniseries. The narration and tone constantly informed us that he was pure evil. And while he certainly did a few morally dubious things in his quest to stop the slavers and slaughterers rampaging across the planet, they were phrased in such overblown ways to make them seem worse than they were that it just seemed melodramatic (with one of his "worst" offenses being a bluff of Pay Evil unto Evil). This culminated in Skarr being wrong for not wanting Galactus to eat his planet because, apparently, Galactus eating the planet was for the greater good... keep in mind, Earth superheroes regularly bluff Galactus with destroying the entire universe to make him leave Earth alone, which means he just goes off and eats someone else's planet.
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  • The Spiritual Predecessor to X-Men vs. Avengers, Schism, concerning Cyclops and those who sided with him. The whole situation comes down to Wolverine deciding that Cyclops shouldn't be in charge because he's allowing young students to fight, and Wolverine doesn't want that. Essentially, it's a conflict of idealism and cynicism: The idealistic Wolverine wants the students to stay out of the conflict and keep them safe, while trying to build peaceful ties, while the cynical Cyclops wants to train them to defend themselves. While Wolverine has a point that they're essentially child soldiers, he's completely ignoring that the X-Men have been training teenagers to be superheroes since their inception, and Wolverine himself regularly takes young teenage girls on dangerous missions with him. Wolverine goes so far as to rig Utopia to explode in order to destroy an approaching Sentinel; Cyclops points out that Wolverine will be leaving the mutants with nowhere to go because of it. Things deteriorate from there, as Cyclops uses the memory of Jean Grey against Wolverine in an attempt to shame him, claiming she was always frightened of him. When Wolverine asks who she'd be more scared of if she was there at the moment, Cyclops attacks him, and they end up being so busy fighting, they don't notice the Sentinel bearing down on them, driving the kids to attack and destroy it. Although the immediate menace has passed, Wolverine, disregarding the kids' part in their victory, ends up separating the X-Men into two groups, thereby endangering them all. He comes off as something of a hypocrite and a jerk, yet it's Cyclops who's supposed to be the bad guy in the conflict (Cyke did strike first, on top of playing the Jean card, but before that Wolverine threatened to blow up the island with all his precious children on it, so you can see how it's ambiguous). It's especially bad when you remember that, at the time, there were around 200 mutants left worldwide.
  • In Spider-Man, Carlie Cooper breaks up with Peter Parker after she finds out his secret identity, and the book and the authors insist that Peter was wrong not to tell her and insisted that she was able to handle it. Except the book never stops to have the character of Carlie consider Peter's side of the situation, and has her make outlandish and bizarre accusations regarding Peter and his dual life as Spider-Man, making it seem like they are two completely separate people when Peter's duality has never been treated that way before or after. The creators never have the character acknowledge that Peter might have had a reason for not telling her, or telling her exactly when she asked him, showing no sympathy for Peter who has kept his identity a very guarded secret from even his closest relatives, and knows first hand how bad things could get if the information fell into the wrong hands.
  • In Tim Fish's Cavalcade of Boys series, Gordon is depicted as an unambiguously horrible person because he is a sugar daddy to a series of willing young adults (one of whom seduces him). Other characters' more serious moral failings are either forgiven or shrugged off.
  • ... And Cyclops again (Or rather, Emma Frost's projection of him) in Death of X. It's not so much that his actions weren't in some degree villainous; the problem was that for months before this flashback story came out other characters had been talking him up as if he'd become history's greatest monster, with one story explicitly comparing him to Hitler. And then Death of X came out, and what did he do? Well, he turned a poisoned gas cloud non-toxic without asking for permission from the Inhumans. Apparently this was enough to turn global anti-mutant sentiment up to eleven and make his former friends despise his memory.
  • Most Super Registration Acts fall into this. Villains, jerkasses and Obstructive Bureaucrats will say that superheroes must be supervised and held accountable for their actions. That, if left on their own, they can be incredibly reckless and destructive, causing untold collateral damage. And they are absolutely right.
  • Detective Comics (Rebirth) spends an entire issue having Spoiler rail against Batman's methods and superheroes in general. While the latter is likely supposed to be ironic, given Spoiler herself ends up saving the day as a superhero, the former has her denounce Batman's methods, and ask "how many losses are acceptable?". The problem is... well, it's Batman. Zero losses are acceptable! She manages to take down the bad guy using methods that are supposed to be so much better than Batman's... but are in fact just Batman's methods when he's not written as an idiot.
  • In Batwoman (Rebirth), after Batwoman briefly gives in to a massive dose of fear toxin and attacks Scarecrow, both Jacob Kane and Julia Pennyworth harshly admonish her for it, even going so far as to say she did so for fun. Kate makes no attempt at all to defend herself from these accusations. In reality, Kate "gave in" as a way to defeat Scarecrow, by pushing back against his attempt at a Breaking Speech, and had already been dosed at least once before in the previous 12 hours. Plus, neither Jacob nor Julia seem to understand the specifics of the situation.
  • Wonder Woman will sometimes be on the receiving end of this when the subject of using lethal force comes up. The time she killed Maxwell Lord issue is a prime example of this. While the public freaking out is excusable since the video tape that showed her killing Max was edited to look like she'd killed an innocent, unarmed man, Superman and Batman treated her like the Anti-Christ despite having full knowledge of the situation and having even broken the no-kill rule themselves in the past.
    • The Amazons' decision to segregate themselves from the rest of the world can be viewed as this while also crossing over with some Victim Blaming. Keep in mind this decision was the result of the Amazons suffering multiple injustices at the hands of paranoid men, the final straw being when the demigod Heracles invaded their land and had them all enslaved and raped. When the Amazons kill their despoilers, the gods instead treat the Amazons like it was their fault the world turned on them ignoring mankind's prejudice and the role Ares played in it. Oh and the Amazons' punishment? Being sequestered on an island hidden from the rest of the world so they can guard a portal to a realm of demons. Apparently, the best way to fix the Amazons' isolation was to make them more isolated.
  • In A Death in the Family, the narration of Batman's thoughts as he uses sodium pentathol on Lady Shiva describes him as "revolted by the thought" of using such methods (as opposed to his usual interrogation technique of beating or scaring the crap out of people).
  • Writers have a habit of painting anyone who reacts negatively to The Incredible Hulk's destructive temper as being in the wrong. Thaddeus Ross is the most frequent victim of this but even other superheroes aren't immune:
    • World War Hulk: The decision of the Illuminati (Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Blackbolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) to shoot the Hulk into outer space is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed about 22 people. This was also a period in which anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws. Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's Roaring Rampage of Revenge in the first place.
    • Giant-Size Hulk #1: The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner hulks out in the middle of a traffic jam. The Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was in the car when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.
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