History InformedWrongness / ComicBooks

* Anytime a mutant cure is brought up, the ComicBook/XMen seem to treat it as an unambiguously wrong thing. This is in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti-cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and governments and corporations having no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly and rightfully mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]]. On the other hand, granted, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons,[[labelnote:examples]]such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers (coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the permanent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of terror by a group of people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly (which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever hear about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterward simply being a mutant is outlawed. [[/labelnote]] but while that justifies a certain amount of suspicion, it doesn't justify keeping a cure out of the hands of mutants whose lives would be greatly improved if they were cured of their mutations. While the X-Men would have every right to advocate that a mutant cure should kept under strict lock and key with trustworthy people, the mere ''existence'' of a cure shouldn't be something they'd oppose. However, much of the objection to a cure becomes understandable when you transpose it to the metaphor of mutants standing in for real life persecuted groups (if you consider mutants=gays, it's CureYourGays; if mutants=ethnic groups it's possibly RacialTransformation; if mutants=victims of McCarthism, it's {{Brainwashed}}; if mutants=rebellious youth, it's SellOut).

* Anytime a mutant cure is brought up, the ComicBook/XMen seem to treat it as an unambiguously wrong thing. This is in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti-cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and governments and corporations having no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly and rightfully mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]]. On the other hand, granted, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons,[[labelnote:examples]]such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers (coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the permanent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of terror by a group of people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly (which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever hear about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterward simply being a mutant is outlawed. [[/labelnote]] but while that justifies a certain amount of suspicion, it doesn't justify keeping a cure out of the hands of mutants whose lives would be greatly improved if they were cured of their mutations. While the X-Men would have every right to advocate that a mutant cure should kept under strict lock and key with trustworthy people, the mere ''existence'' of a cure shouldn't be something they'd oppose.

* Another Marvel example. Skarr, Son Of The Hulk, was hit with this really hard throughout his entire miniseries. The narration and tone constantly informed us that he was pure evil. And while he certainly did a few [[WellIntentionedExtremist morally dubious things in his quest to stop the slavers and slaughterers rampaging across the planet]], they were phrased in such overblown ways to make them seem worse than they were that it just seemed melodramatic (with one of his "worst" offenses being a ''bluff'' of PayEvilUntoEvil). This culminated in Skarr being wrong for ''not wanting ComicBook/{{Galactus}} to eat his planet'' because, apparently, Galactus eating the planet was for the greater good... keep in mind, Earth superheroes regularly bluff Galactus with '''destroying the entire universe''' to make him leave Earth alone, which means he just goes off and eats someone else's planet.

* Writers have a habit of painting anyone who reacts negatively to ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk's destructive temper as being in the wrong. Thaddeus Ross is the most frequent victim of this but even other superheroes aren't immune:
** ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'': The decision of the Illuminati (Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Black Bolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk to shoot the Hulk into outer space]] is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed 26 people. This was also a period in which [[ComicBook/CivilWar2006 anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws]]. Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's RoaringRampageOfRevenge in the first place.
** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner [[HulkingOut hulks out]] in the middle of a traffic jam. The Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. And considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

* Anytime a mutant cure is brought up, the ComicBook/XMen seem to treat it as an unambiguously wrong thing. This is in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti-cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and governments and corporations having no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly and rightfully mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]]. On the other hand, granted, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons, [[labelnote:examples]]such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers (coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the permanent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of Terror by a group of people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly (which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever hear about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterward simply being a mutant is outlawed. [[/labelnote]] but while that justifies a certain amount of suspicion, it doesn't justify keeping a cure out of the hands of mutants whose lives would be greatly improved if they were cured of their mutations. While the X-Men would have every right to advocate that a mutant cure should kept under strict lock and key with trustworthy people, the mere ''existence'' of a cure shouldn't be something they'd oppose.

* Another Marvel example. Skarr, Son Of The Hulk, was hit with this really hard throughout his entire miniseries. The narration and tone constantly informed us that he was pure evil. And while he certainly did a few [[WellIntentionedExtremist morally dubious things in his quest to stop the slavers and slaughterers rampaging across the planet]], they were phrased in such overblown ways to make them seem worse than they were that it just seemed melodramatic (with one of his "worst" offenses being a ''bluff'' of PayEvilUntoEvil). This culminated in Skarr being wrong for ''not wanting Comicbook/{{Galactus}} to eat his planet'' because, apparently, Galactus eating the planet was for the greater good... keep in mind, Earth superheroes regularly bluff Galactus with '''destroying the entire universe''' to make him leave Earth alone, which means he just goes off and eats someone else's planet.
* The Spiritual Predecessor to X-Men vs. Avengers, ''Schism'', concerning Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} and those who sided with him. The whole situation comes down to ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} deciding that Cyclops shouldn't be in charge because he's allowing young students to fight, and Wolverine doesn't want that. Essentially, it's a conflict of idealism and cynicism: The idealistic Wolverine wants the students to stay out of the conflict and keep them safe, while trying to build peaceful ties, while the cynical Cyclops wants to train them to defend themselves. While Wolverine has a point that they're essentially child soldiers, he's completely ignoring that the X-Men have been training teenagers to be superheroes since their inception, and Wolverine himself regularly takes young teenage girls on dangerous missions with him. Wolverine goes so far as to rig Utopia to explode in order to destroy an approaching Sentinel; Cyclops points out that Wolverine will be leaving the mutants with nowhere to go because of it. Things deteriorate from there, as Cyclops uses the memory of Jean Grey against Wolverine in an attempt to shame him, claiming she was always frightened of him. When Wolverine asks who she'd be more scared of if she was there at the moment, Cyclops ''attacks'' him, and they end up being so busy fighting, they don't notice the Sentinel bearing down on them, driving the kids to attack and destroy it. Although the immediate menace has passed, Wolverine, disregarding the kids' part in their victory, ends up separating the X-Men into two groups, thereby endangering them all. He comes off as something of a hypocrite and a jerk, yet it's ''Cyclops'' who's supposed to be the bad guy in the conflict (Cyke did strike first, on top of playing the Jean card, but before that Wolverine threatened to blow up the island with all his precious children on it, so you can see how it's ambiguous). It's especially bad when you remember that, at the time, there were around 200 mutants left ''worldwide''.
* In ''Franchise/SpiderMan'', Carlie Cooper breaks up with Peter Parker after she finds out his secret identity, and the book and the authors insist that Peter was wrong not to tell her and insisted that she was able to handle it. Except the book never stops to have the character of Carlie consider Peter's side of the situation, and has her make outlandish and bizarre accusations regarding Peter and his dual life as Spider-Man, making it seem like they are two completely separate people when Peter's duality has never been treated that way before or after. The creators never have the character acknowledge that Peter might have had a reason for not telling her, or telling her exactly when she asked him, showing no sympathy for Peter who has kept his identity a very guarded secret from even his closest relatives, and knows first hand how bad things could get if the information fell into the wrong hands.

* Most {{Super Registration Act}}s fall into this. Villains, jerkasses and {{obstructive bureaucrat}}s will say that superheroes must be supervised and held accountable for their actions. That, if left on their own, they can be incredibly reckless and [[DestructiveSaviour destructive]], causing untold collateral damage. [[Comicbook/CivilWar2006 And]] [[Comicbook/KingdomCome they]] [[ComicBook/SquadronSupreme are]] [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirlsMovie absolutely]] [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} right]]. That being said, whenever the idea of a SuperRegistrationAct is presented in a story, it usually screws the heroes over, and the incompetent governments tend to overstep their bounds and use methods that could be considered morally ambiguous at best, or flat-out illegal and unethical at worst, to force the superheroes to obey the law. You can’t really blame the superheroes for distrusting the mere idea of such a registration act. After all, just because something may work on paper, that doesn’t mean it will work in practice.

* ''Franchise/WonderWoman''

* Tim in ''ComicBook/RedRobin'', for including Damian on his "hit list" in the eponymous story arc. Said "hit list" is actually a list of superheroes who could be very dangerous if they turn bad – which is an entirely accurate assessment for a former child assassin with a known history of murder and sadism – with countermeasures to use against them. Other superheroes on the list include Franchise/{{Superman}}, Franchise/WonderWoman, [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]], ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, ComicBook/TheAtom and even [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]], which pretty clearly shows it's not meant as a judgment of Damian as a bad seed. And yet we're supposed to sympathise with Damian when he whines "It isn't ''fair''" about being included, even though it was never meant for his eyes (he only saw it after spending six hours hacking into Tim's files) and his response to seeing it was to attempt to murder Tim ''again'' by cutting his grapple line.

* Most {{Super Registration Act}}s fall into this. Villains, jerkasses and {{obstructive bureaucrat}}s will say that superheroes must be supervised and held accountable for their actions. That, if left on their own, they can be incredibly reckless and [[DestructiveSaviour destructive]], causing untold collateral damage. [[Comicbook/CivilWar2006 And]] [[Comicbook/KingdomCome they]] [[ComicBook/SquadronSupreme are]] [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirlsMovie absolutely]] [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} right]]. That being said, whenever the idea of a SuperRegistrationAct is presented in a story, it usually screws the heroes over, and the incompetent governments tend to overstep their bounds and use methods that could be considered morally ambiguous at best, and flat-out illegal at worst, to force the superheroes to obey the law. You can’t really blame the superheroes for distrusting the mere idea of such a registration act. After all, just because something may work on paper, that doesn’t mean it will work in practice.

* Most {{Super Registration Act}}s fall into this. Villains, jerkasses and {{obstructive bureaucrat}}s will say that superheroes must be supervised and held accountable for their actions. That, if left on their own, they can be incredibly reckless and [[DestructiveSaviour destructive]], causing untold collateral damage. [[Comicbook/CivilWar2006 And]] [[Comicbook/KingdomCome they]] [[ComicBook/SquadronSupreme are]] [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirlsMovie absolutely]] [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} right]]. That being said, whenever the idea of a SuperRegistrationAct is presented in a story, it usually screws the heroes over, and the incompetent government tend to overstep their bounds and use extreme methods to force the superheroes to obey the law, so you can’t really blame the superheroes for distrusting the mere idea of such a registration act. After all, just because something may work on paper, that doesn’t mean it will work in practice.

* Most {{Super Registration Act}}s fall into this. Villains, jerkasses and {{obstructive bureaucrat}}s will say that superheroes must be supervised and held accountable for their actions. That, if left on their own, they can be incredibly reckless and [[DestructiveSaviour destructive]], causing untold collateral damage. [[Comicbook/CivilWar2006 And]] [[Comicbook/KingdomCome they]] [[ComicBook/SquadronSupreme are]] [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirlsMovie absolutely]] [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} right]].

* Most {{Super Registration Act}}s fall into this. Villains, jerkasses and {{obstructive bureaucrat}}s will say that superheroes must be supervised and held accountable for their actions. That, if left on their own, they can be incredibly reckless and [[DestructiveSaviour destructive]], causing untold collateral damage. [[Comicbook/CivilWar And]] [[Comicbook/KingdomCome they]] [[ComicBook/SquadronSupreme are]] [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirlsMovie absolutely]] [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} right]].

** ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'': The decision of the Illuminati (Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Black Bolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk to shoot the Hulk into outer space]] is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed 26 people. This was also a period in which [[ComicBook/CivilWar anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws]]. Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's RoaringRampageOfRevenge in the first place.

** ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'': The Amazons' decision to segregate themselves from the rest of the world can be viewed as this, while also crossing over with some UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming. Keep in mind that this decision was the result of the Amazons suffering multiple injustices at the hands of paranoid, bigoted men, the final straw being when the demigod Heracles invaded their land and had them all enslaved and raped. When the Amazons kill their assailants, the gods instead treat the Amazons like it was their fault the world turned on them... ignoring mainstream humanity's prejudice and the role Ares played in it. Oh, and the Amazons' punishment? Being sequestered on an island hidden from the rest of the world so they can guard a portal to a realm of monsters. Apparently, the best way to fix the Amazons' isolation was to make them more isolated.

** ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'': The decision of the Illuminati (Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Black Bolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk to shoot the Hulk into outer space]] is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed about 22 people. This was also a period in which [[ComicBook/CivilWar anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws]]. Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's RoaringRampageOfRevenge in the first place.

** ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'': The Amazons' decision to segregate themselves from the rest of the world can be viewed as this, while also crossing over with some UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming. Keep in mind that this decision was the result of the Amazons suffering multiple injustices at the hands of paranoid men, the final straw being when the demigod Heracles invaded their land and had them all enslaved and raped. When the Amazons kill their despoilers, the gods instead treat the Amazons like it was their fault the world turned on them... ignoring mainstream humanity's prejudice and the role Ares played in it. Oh, and the Amazons' punishment? Being sequestered on an island hidden from the rest of the world so they can guard a portal to a realm of demons. Apparently, the best way to fix the Amazons' isolation was to make them more isolated.

** Mina is depicted as being overzealous and callous for making a public statement about how dangerous NICOLE is and indirectly starting a mass paranoia. However, as [[TheWoobie sympathetic as she is]], NICOLE was shown to be extremely dangerous as a result of the Iron Queen corrupting her programming, leading to Mobians being enslaved and mutilated with cyborg implants. The Freedom Fighters are outraged by Mina's actions and label the public as being vindictive, but people ''had'' suffered because of NICOLE, largely because the Freedom Fighters neglected installing any security precautions into NICOLE's software. It was implied they were taking precautions by that point, but that was closing the proverbial barn door after the horse had bolted. In short: Mina was pretty reasonable that the Freedom Fighters should have done and should be doing way more about NICOLE being a potential threat.

* In an early story of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'', Sonic, Tails and Antoine find Sally leaving the safety of the forest. When they ask the reason, she responds rudely and refuses to explain herself. After they keep insisting, she claims that she's planning to meet with Robotnik in order to strike a deal with him to release her father, and lets a Buzzbomber take her away. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, they give chase, and barely manage to rescue her before Robotnik roboticizes her. After they're back on their place she angrily reveals that she was counting on Robotnik trying to robotocize her, as Rotor had equipped her with boots designed to jam the roboticizer and collect its data, allowing them to analyze it; and blames them for botching the plan. Which, of course, ignores the fact it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't [[PoorCommunicationKills refused to confide said plan with them beforehand, even lying about what she was trying to do]] ''for no good reason.''

* ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW'': [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue67To68 Issue 67 to 68]] addresses Tempest Shadow's StrawmanHasAPoint from ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 The Movie]]'' with the [[HeelFaceTurn redeemed Tempest]] reiterating her complaints about how easily she and the Storm King were able to conquer Equestria which get disproven by her realizing [[RousseauWasRight the superiority of idealistic, non-violent means of dealing with such]] and how it got them though numerous other threats. But while such worked here, they wouldn't apply to the Storm King's invasion and most of the major threats as they were so evil or dangerous [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption they still had to be stopped by fighting]], with many having to be defeated before they could be so redeemed or [[RedemptionRejection refusing such]]. That, and many of Equestria's wins still coming down to luck ({{Villain Ball}}s or DeusExMachina) and the casualties that realistically should have resulted from the constant threats, mean Tempest's complaints about their lack of effective military to prevent or deal with such sooner still hold unintentional weight. Tempest also bemoans the Crystal Empire depending on magic such it would be invaded or suffer crippling blizzards if it failed, except that's what happened numerous times.

* Frost is supposed to be a villain in ''ComicBook/BruteForce'' because he developed a type of plant that "feeds on pollution". Of course, in the real world, such a thing would be a godsend - a plant that absorbs pollutants and leave only fresh air. But it looks evil, so it's evil.

* ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW'': [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue67To68 Issue 67 to 68]] addresses Tempest Shadow's StrawmanHasAPoint from ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 The Movie]]'' with the [[HeelFaceTurn redeemed Tempest]] reiterating her complaints about how easily she and the Storm King were able to conquer Equestria which get disproven by her realizing [[RousseauWasRight the superiority of idealistic, non-violent means of dealing with such]] and how it got them though numerous other threats. But while suchworked here, they wouldn't apply to the Storm King's invasion and most of the major threats as they were so evil or dangerous [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption they still had to be stopped by fighting]], with many having to be defeated before they could be so redeemed or [[RedemptionRejection refusing such]]. That, and many of Equestria's wins still coming down to luck ({{Villain Ball}}s or DeusExMachina) and the casualties that realistically should have resulted from the constant threats, mean Tempest's complaints about their lack of effective military to prevent or deal with such sooner still hold unintentional weight. Tempest also bemoans the Crystal Empire depending on magic such it would be invaded or suffer crippling blizzards if it failed, except that's what happened numerous times.

* ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW'': [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue67To68 Issue 67 to 68]] addresses Tempest Shadow's StrawmanHasAPoint from ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 The Movie]]'' with the [[HeelFaceTurn redeemed Tempest]] reiterating her complaints about how easily she and the Storm King were able to conquer Equestria which get disproven by her realizing [[RousseauWasRight the superiority of idealistic, non-violent means of dealing with such]] and how it got them though numerous other threats. But while such method worked here, they wouldn't apply to the Storm King's invasion and most of the major villains or monsters as they were so evil or dangerous [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption they still had to be stopped by fighting]], with many having to be defeated before they could be so redeemed or [[RedemptionRejection refusing such]]. That, and many of Equestria's wins still coming down to luck ({{Villain Ball}}s or DeusExMachina) and the casualties that realistically should have resulted from the content threats, mean Tempest's complaints about their lack of effective military to prevent or deal with such sooner still hold unintentional weight. Tempest also bemoans the Crystal Empire depending on magic such it would be invaded or suffer crippling blizzards if it failed, except that's what happened numerous times.

* ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW'': [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWIssue67To68 Issue 67 to 68]] addresses Tempest Shadow's StrawmanHasAPoint from ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 The Movie]]'' with the [[HeelFaceTurn redeemed Tempest]] reiterating her complaints about how easily she and the Storm King were able to conquer Equestria which get disproven by her realizing [[RousseauWasRight the superiority of idealistic, non-violent means of dealing with such]] and how it got them though numerous other threats. But while such method worked here, it wouldn't apply to the Storm King's invasion and most of the major villains or monsters as they were so evil or dangerous [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption they still had to be stopped by fighting]], with many having to be defeated before they could be so redeemed or [[RedemptionRejection refusing such]]. That, and many of Equestria's wins still coming down to luck ({{Villain Ball}}s or DeusExMachina) and the casualties that realistically should have resulted from the content threats, mean Tempest's complaints about their lack of effective military to prevent or deal with such sooner still hold unintentional weight. Tempest also bemoans the Crystal Empire depending on magic such it would be invaded or suffer crippling blizzards if it failed, except that's what happened numerous times.

* In an early story of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'', Sonic, Tails and Antoine find Sally leaving the safety of the forest. When they ask the reason, she responds rudely and refuses to explain herself. After they keep insisting, she claims that she's planning to meet with Robotnik in order to strike a deal with him to release her father, and lets a Buzzbomber take her away. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, they give chase, and barely manage to rescue her before Robotnik roboticizes her. After they're back on their place she angrily reveals that she was counting on Robotnik trying to robotocize her, as Rotor had equipped her with boots designed to jam the roboticizer and collect its data, allowing them to analyze it; and blames them for botching the plan. Which, of course, ignores the fact it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't [[PoorCommunicationKills refused to confide said plan with them beforehand, even lying about what she was trying to do]] ''for no good reason.''

* In an early story of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'', Sonic, Tails and Antoine find Sally leaving the safety of the forest. When they ask the reason, she responds rudely and refuses to explain herself. After they keep insisting, she claims that she's planning to meet with Robotnik in order to make a deal with him to release her father, and lets a Buzzbomber take her away. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, they give chase, and barely manage to rescue her before Robotnik roboticizes her. Only after this does she reveal that she was counting on Robotnik trying to robotocize her, as Rotor had equipped her with boots designed to jam the roboticizer and collect its data, allowing them to analyze it; and blames them for botching the plan. Which, of course, ignores the fact it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't [[PoorCommunicationKills refused to confide said plan with them beforehand, even lying about her intentions]] ''for no good reason.''

* In an early story of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'', Sonic, Tails and Antoine find Sally leaving the safety of the forest. When they ask about her actions, she reacts rudely and refuses to explain herself. After they keep insisting, she claims that she's planning to meet with Robotnik in order to make a deal with him to release her father, and leaves riding a Buzzbomber. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, they give chase, and barely manage to rescue her before Robotnik roboticizes her. Only after this does she reveal that she was counting on Robotnik trying to robotocize her, as Rotor had equipped her with boots designed to jam the roboticizer and collect its data, allowing them to analyze it; and blames them for botching the plan. Which, of course, ignores the fact it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't [[PoorCommunicationKills refused to confide said plan with them beforehand, even lying about her intentions]] ''for no good reason.''

* In an early story of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'', Sonic, Tails and Antoine find Sally leaving the safety of the forest. When they ask about her actions, she reacts rudely and refuses to explain herself. After they keep insisting, she claims that she's planning to meet with Robotnik in order to make a deal with him to release her father, and leaves riding a Buzzbomber. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, they give chase, and barely manage to rescue her before Robotnik roboticizes her. Only after this does she reveal that she was planning to get robotocized, as Rotor had equipped her with boots designed to jam the roboticizer and collect its data, allowing them to analyze it; and blames them for botching the plan. Which, of course, ignores the fact it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't [[PoorCommunicationKills refused to confide said plan with them beforehand, even lying about her intentions]] ''for no good reason.''

* In an early story of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'', the Sonic, Tails and Antoine find Sally leaving the safety of the forest. When they ask about her actions, she responds rudely and refuses to explain herself. After they keep insisting, she claims that she planning to meet with Robotnik in order to make a deal with him to release her father, and leaves riding a Buzzbomber. Knowing that Robotnik would backstab her, they give chase, and barely manage to rescue her before Robotnik roboticizes her. Only after this does she reveal that she was planning to get robotocized, as Rotor had equipped her with boots designed to jam the roboticizer and collect its data, allowing them to analyze it; and blames them for botching the plan. Which, of course, ignores the fact it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't [[PoorCommunicationKills refused to confide said plan with them beforehand, even lying about her intentions]] ''for no good reason.''

* Tim in ''ComicBook/RedRobin'', for including Damian on his "hit list" in the eponymous story arc. Said "hit list" is actually a list of superheroes who could be very dangerous if they turn bad – which is an entirely accurate assessment for a former child assassin with a known history of murder and sadism – with countermeasures to use against them. Other superheroes on the list include Franchise/{{Superman}}, Franchise/WonderWoman, [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]], ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}, ComicBook/TheAtom and even [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]], which pretty clearly shows it's not meant as a judgment of Damian as a bad seed. And yet we're supposed to sympathise with Damian when he whines "It isn't ''fair''" about being included, even though it was never meant for his eyes (he only saw it after spending six hours hacking into Tim's files) and his response to seeing it was to attempt to murder Tim ''again'' by cutting his grapple line.

* Frost is supposed to be a villain in ''ComicBook/BruteForce'' because he developed a type of plant that "feeds on pollution". Of course, in the real world, such a thing would be a godsend - a plant that absorbs pollutants and leave only fresh air. But it looks evil, so it's evil.

* Anytime a mutant cure is brought up, the ComicBook/XMen seem to treat it as an unambiguously wrong thing. This is in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti-cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and governments and corporations having no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly and rightfully mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]]. On the other hand, granted, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons, [[labelnote:examples]]such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers (coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the permanent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of Terror by a group of people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly (which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever hear about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterward simply being a mutant is outlawed. [[/labelnote]], but while that justifies a certain amount of suspicion, it doesn't justify keeping a cure out of the hands of mutants whose lives would be greatly improved if they were cured of their mutations. While the X-Men would have every right to advocate that a mutant cure should kept under strict lock and key with trustworthy people, the mere ''existence'' of a cure shouldn't be something they'd oppose.

* The Spiritual Predecessor to X-Men vs. Avengers, ''Schism'', concerning Comicbook/{{Cyclops}} and those who sided with him. The whole situation comes down to Franchise/{{Wolverine}} deciding that Cyclops shouldn't be in charge because he's allowing young students to fight, and Wolverine doesn't want that. Essentially, it's a conflict of idealism and cynicism: The idealistic Wolverine wants the students to stay out of the conflict and keep them safe, while trying to build peaceful ties, while the cynical Cyclops wants to train them to defend themselves. While Wolverine has a point that they're essentially child soldiers, he's completely ignoring that the X-Men have been training teenagers to be superheroes since their inception, and Wolverine himself regularly takes young teenage girls on dangerous missions with him. Wolverine goes so far as to rig Utopia to explode in order to destroy an approaching Sentinel; Cyclops points out that Wolverine will be leaving the mutants with nowhere to go because of it. Things deteriorate from there, as Cyclops uses the memory of Jean Grey against Wolverine in an attempt to shame him, claiming she was always frightened of him. When Wolverine asks who she'd be more scared of if she was there at the moment, Cyclops ''attacks'' him, and they end up being so busy fighting, they don't notice the Sentinel bearing down on them, driving the kids to attack and destroy it. Although the immediate menace has passed, Wolverine, disregarding the kids' part in their victory, ends up separating the X-Men into two groups, thereby endangering them all. He comes off as something of a hypocrite and a jerk, yet it's ''Cyclops'' who's supposed to be the bad guy in the conflict (Cyke did strike first, on top of playing the Jean card, but before that Wolverine threatened to blow up the island with all his precious children on it, so you can see how it's ambiguous). It's especially bad when you remember that, at the time, there were around 200 mutants left ''worldwide''.