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OldManHoOh
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05:04:30 PM Aug 15th 2014
Can we do without the obvious bias against Eric Saward and JNT and needless comments about the FIFTH Doctor's era (unless it's saying that literally all of season 19-23 fell under this for a majority of fans, which seems unlikely.) Also, Eric, while script editor for the majority of this period, actually wrote THREE out of the Fifth Doctor's 20 serials, and TWO of Six's eight (or eleven, depending on how you look at it) serials. This sounds like a review more than anything.

  • The Sixth Doctor's tenure had its issues, but many of them are rooted in the Fifth Doctor's three-year run. Under Eric Saward, the series became less utopian and more willing to explore darker subjects. And while the modern series has no trouble juggling camp with high drama, the eighties-era Who had its share of maladjustment. Saward would frequently pause the action so he could ditch the goody-goody Fifth Doctor and toy around with his original characters, usually gung-ho space marines or suave anti-heroes like Gustav Lytton. You would think that the regeneration into the wild, unpredictable Colin Baker would smooth out that problem, but no dice; by this time, the Doctor and his companion actively disliked each other, and the show's black humor reached overkill proportions in a bid to compete with everything else on television. It's entirely possible to enjoy the Sixth Doctor's adventures, but only in spite of the scripts.
    Phil Sandifer: The cliche is that Baker's Doctor is in many ways a self-portrait of John Nathan-Turner. This is, I think, a bit strong, but there's a strong sense in which, in 'Trial', he's an inadvertent stand-in for the series itself...a fatally flawed idea too arrogant to admit to the possibility of his failings even enough to defend himself. That only Baker's Doctor could be in this story is, in some sense, the point.
OldManHoOh
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06:02:00 PM Jul 13th 2014
I've never ever considered (nor do I really see why) that that scene from "The Christmas Invasion" to be a "straightforward Humans Are the Real Monsters message". I've generally seen it as "both sides have their points, but both went too far in expressing them". The Doctor taking Harriet from power definitely isn't portrayed especially positively (especially after Harold Saxon comes into play).
OldManHoOh
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11:23:18 AM May 20th 2014
This was under Awesome Ego, but I assume this was supposed to go under Author's Saving Throw. Either way, deleted.

  • Some people interpreted the 11th Doctor's speech to Clara before he regenerated as this. 10 claiming regeneration was a death and his last words of "I don't want to go" were very controversial, a lot of people feeling the Doctor came across as cowardly here and that it caused trouble for the fans in accepting Matt Smith. 11, by contrast, says change is natural, he won't forget being the Doctor and regenerates happy.

Interpreted the speech as what? It says absolutely nothing about the Tenth Doctor's regeneration, and doesn't really acknowledge or retcon The End of Time in any way beyond some shared music cues. The different incarnations have always reacted to the process in slightly different ways. Even if he has a different idea of regeneration to Russell T Davies, Moffat isn't shunning or shutting away "I don't want to go" or Ten seeing regeneration as death. There's tons of examples where Moffat calls Russell some variant of one of the best writers, and he reused RTD's line near the end of "The Day of the Doctor".
Fighteer
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11:18:40 AM May 11th 2014
edited by 70.44.88.7
Pulled this mess:

  • The Scrappy:
    • Adric. Apparently, the purpose was to create a character who reflected their prime fan base, so the production team came up with a snotty, pompous, whining, arrogant and almost entirely unbearable maths geek, and then gave the part to a Promoted Fanboy who had only acted in television once and (to speak generously) failed to distinguish himself in the role. It doesn't help that, despite being incredibly arrogant about his intelligence, he has a tendency to either screw up the Doctor's plans or, as in one notable case, gets suckered into helping the bad guy's Evil Scheme, despite it being very transparently evil, thus making his reported intelligence something of an Informed Ability.
    • To a lesser extent (in that no one appears to have written fiction actively killing her), Mel also suffered from this, largely due to perceived miscasting, as the actress playing the character (Bonnie Langford) was known primarily from on-stage pantomime and her acting style (and character) was seen as contrary to the show's strengths. It didn't help her case that the two seasons she appeared in are generally considered the worst in the show's history, either. To be fair though most fans agree that she was Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in the Big Finish audio plays where her character received some much needed Character Development.
    • The Master, much like The Doctor, has also had incarnations who are considered Scrappies by certain members of the fandom. In particular is the version played by Eric Roberts for the 1996 movie. Roberts' hammy performance doesn't help, nor does the fact that the film in-and-of-itself is a Base Breaker. John Simm's Master is also considered a Scrappy to fans of the classic series who feel he's too much of a Large Ham. It doesn't help that Simm's incarnation was revealed to be a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds rather than a Card-Carrying Villain like both the Delgado and Ainley incarnations.
    • Donna especially got a lot of heat for being a scrappy at first. Her first appearance was composed of her mostly shouting and slapping the Doctor, and her abrasive personality was a major turn-off for a lot of people. She was also played by Catherine Tate, and people who didn't like her comedy show felt they'd dislike her on principle. When she returned as the official companion in series 4, people were not happy. However, she soon became a crowning example of Rescued from the Scrappy Heap; writers mellowed her personality, put her through some major character development, and Tate showed of her acting prowess, being both very emotional and also comedic gold with David Tennant. Also, her controversial fate of having her memory wiped boosted her popularity magnificently.
    • Elton Pope, the one-off character from the extremely divisive and controversial episode Love and Monsters, gets this treatment frequently.
    • Martha gets a lot of hatred from Rose fans (which is a vast part of the fandom). Martha is easily the least popular companion of the new series, largely because of her being a foil to Rose and being the companion to come after the exceedingly popular Rose. Fans often will call Martha selfish and clingy and the irony is that Rose herself was equally if not more clingy and selfish. Still others will tell people to simply skip Martha and claim her season is just a waste. Martha gets similar treatment to Ginny Weasley.
      • Amy is often no better, because of her love of girly attire and her behaviour to Rory and the Doctor in her first season, which was, once more, a twinge of irony as Amy's relationships with Rory and the Doctor mirror Rose's to the Doctor and Mickey, the difference being Amy chose her human love interest over the alien.
    • Francine Jones, Martha's mother. She's rude to just about everyone right from the get-go, and ends up selling out the Doctor to Harold Saxon, a.k.a. the Master. Luckily, it doesn't keep, but the fans weren't terribly happy with her for all of that.
    • Sylvia Noble, Donna's mum. Her arrogance, smugness, constant belittling of her daughter, and inability to say the words "Thank You" left a bad taste in the mouth of many a fan.
    • The Slitheen. Shoddy costume design, out-of-place toilet humor and the fact that the characters themselves were generally seen to be more irritating than menacing.
    • Angie and to a lesser extent Artie became this in record time during "Nightmare In Silver", for being both The Load and in Angie's case a Jerk Ass. Within the first minute of Nightmare in Silver, Angie called the TARDIS a "stupid box." Of COURSE the fandom hates them.
    • The Doctor himself hasn't escaped Scrappy-dom, either; the Sixth Doctor (as played by Colin Baker) is considered a Scrappy by certain parts of fandom. These fans find him to be obnoxious, abrasive, and an empty attempt by the producers to make the show Darker and Edgier... not to mention his costume. This mainly applies to his television portrayal, however, which debuted in a particularly difficult era of the show's history which affected the way he was introduced and presented. It's widely agreed that the various Expanded Universe media featuring Six (along with a less gaudy suit) has largely contributed to him being Rescued from the Scrappy Heap.
    • David Gooderson's Davros who was randomly Scottish, and didn't act anything like Michael Wisher's Davros or Terry Malloy's.
    • Any Doctor or companion is the Scrappy to a lot of people.
    • Despite being one of the most popular companions of the New Series Rose is the scrappy to many. The accusations are she is a Clingy Jealous Girl who gets angry at any girl even looking at the Doctor, she was RTD's Mary Sue who he had to make a canon perfect companion, and despite acting really selfish she ends up getting her own Doctor, and that she was incredibly rude to Sarah Jane Smith, one of the most popular companions. Also Doomsday and Journey's End imply she was willing to destroy two worlds just to get the Doctor. And yet she never gets called out on this. A lot of people think Rose started out fine in Series 1 but became unbearable in Series 2.


This trope becomes meaningless if every single New Who main character is listed. Get it together, folks.
OldManHoOh
12:41:05 PM May 11th 2014
For reference of easing this mess, the 1996 Master, Mel, Six, Adric and the 1979 Davros are not new Who characters.

I kinda like their episodes, but I'm sure there's a lot of hate towards the Slitheen's toilet humour and the costume design supposedly being unconvincing that they can probably go up without much resistance.

Pre-Partners in Crime Donna I can at least see as a candidate for this (though as noted, by the time she became an outright regular she was Rescued from the Scrappy Heap), but I'm not 100%.

But how can "one of the most popular" anything be a Scrappy? Either way, even if there's something salvageable, the entry describing Rose has a bit too much hyperbole and agenda driving (I don't even recall her getting angry at Madame de Pompadour and she outright kissed him). And oh god, Mary Sue? Perfect companion? I think we need citation needed on specific episodes that cite this rather than "the Doctor missed her when she got sent into a parallel dimension".
Fighteer
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04:22:11 PM May 11th 2014
edited by 70.44.88.7
I'm not sure how the Slitheen could count given that they were only major villains in two episodes. As for their cheesy effects, that's part of the intended aesthetic of the show. It's supposed to be cheesy, with all the callbacks to the old series with its rubber-suit and garbage can aliens. I'm not really able to take those complaints seriously.

Donna, likewise, was intended to be obnoxious and unlikable. That was her shtick — a self-centered, shallow woman that the Doctor teaches to respect herself. Complaining about it is like complaining about the sun being hot.

Rose... no way she's The Scrappy, nor is she a Mary Sue. People are just being ridiculous.

I won't argue if people want to put back the old series characters.
Silverblade2
09:32:21 AM May 12th 2014
"The Scrappy for some people" isn't basicelly Base Breaker?

Anyway Mr Thorfan 64 seems to be a Rose hater who makes self serving edits. He deleted several entries in Doctor WHO Doctor WHO and Doctor WHO mentionning Rose. -_-) I restored them.

I'm not saying there's no legit reasons to dislike the character but that's not the purpose of the site.
OldManHoOh
10:38:14 AM May 12th 2014
edited by 151.230.143.55
And she's listed on Base Breaker already. I gave other reasons, but that's the main reason why I deleted Mr Thorfan's addition the first time around on 10 May.

10th May '14 5:09:26 PM Old Man Ho Oh

Already listed under Base Breaker. She has a significant fandom, so she's not a scrappy.

Interesting point about the Slitheen though.
OldManHoOh
10:46:11 AM May 12th 2014
  • In particular is the version played by Eric Roberts for the 1996 movie. Roberts' hammy performance doesn't help, nor does the fact that the film in-and-of-itself is a Base Breaker.

Although films and episodes can't be Base Breakers. It's not literally any concept or event which divides a fandom, it's characters. "A character in a series..."
OldManHoOh
12:13:10 PM May 12th 2014
OK, I've readded the Sixth Doctor, but removed the aside about the coat, because the new blue coat appears in dialogue and on covers of audio dramas. In other words, non-visual media. The only "on screen" appearance of the blue coat is in the Real Time webcast from twelve years ago. So basically, you can't see him. (And the vast majority of comic appearances of Six not only predate the use of this coat on cover art of a CD, but were originally produced in black and white).
OldManHoOh
05:25:04 PM May 12th 2014
...thought I did at least. Now I've removed said aside properly.
OldManHoOh
06:22:19 AM May 18th 2014
Removed this from The Scrappy:

  • This seems to have happened with every New Series female companion.

That doesn't exactly improve on Fighteer's removal of the old examples? (Not to mention it's blatantly untrue.)
OldManHoOh
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05:29:49 PM May 10th 2014
edited by 151.230.142.79
I want to amend the Seasonal Rot bit regarding series 7, but I'm not sure how to go about it without going "you're wrong, you're not paying attention, that didn't happen, Clara has a ton of fucking characterisation", because that's how I've always felt about the whole thing. The mystery of Clara is that there isn't a mystery. The entire point of Clara was that she wasn't a mystery to be solved and that the Doctor was portrayed negatively and as being in the wrong for thinking she was. I think that was a running theme throughout of "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS", and strongly hinted at in the prologue of "The Rings of Akhaten".
OldManHoOh
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05:05:51 AM Apr 19th 2014

Removed, as I'm not all that familiar with Team Fortress 2. I know the gameplay doesn't really have a plot, so was this from one of the "Meet the..." videos or something else?
Larkmarn
08:51:02 PM Apr 20th 2014
It was from "Meet The Spy"
OldManHoOh
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03:07:22 PM Apr 15th 2014
In what way was the Great Intelligence set up to be an evil counterpart to the Doctor?
OldManHoOh
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01:29:43 PM Apr 11th 2014
edited by 151.230.135.86
  • Rose Tyler was pretty well-liked when she was actually on the show, but after she left and was constantly brought up as The! Greatest! Companion! Ever! who no one else could come close to, the fans turned on her very hard.

Are you sure about that? (And Brits preferring Sarah Jane over her in the second link doesn't say much when she still made to the final two of a tournament).
Silverblade2
12:15:41 PM May 7th 2014
I think there's a bit of Never Live It Down in play. Early in season 3, the doctor warns Martha that she won't replace Rose. While it's a bit rude, the Doctor quickly warms up, accepts Martha as his companion and never bring Rose again (at least until Jack wonders what happened to her)... yet I often read "The Doctor spent the entire season mourning on Rose and kept reminding Martha that she's no match for her. What a big Mary Sue!" ?
OldManHoOh
09:36:12 AM May 8th 2014
edited by 151.230.142.79
I think John Smith mentions her in "Human Nature" (of course that's in the context of the diary and dreams, I don't think the episode really does anything along the lines of "Rose would know"), but I think most of the other references to Rose are Martha's insecurities and him not returning her feelings. Or oblique series 1 and 2 continuity references.

But either way, this complaint though vocal, is still that of the minority. Rose IS popular, and Billie IS popular for her portrayal of her. Present tense.
OldManHoOh
10:30:55 AM May 11th 2014
Also, there's a big difference between silently mourning and subtly reminding Martha (or the audience) of a friend he recently lost, and outright bringing her up (as "the greatest" or whatever). Those are two very distinct things IMO.
OldManHoOh
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08:30:09 AM Feb 24th 2014
  • God-Mode Sue: The Doctor during the Russell T. Davies/ David Tennant era more so than any other era. The Doctor was constantly depicted as a savior even when he didn't do anything ("Planet of the Ood") and RTD even went as far as to depict Ten as a sci-fi Jesus in "Last of the Time Lords". Even at his egotistical worst, Ten could do no wrong and anyone who dared disagree with him (no matter how right they may be) was treated as an idiot ("The Christmas Invasion" and many others). A Base Breaker, since fangirls will use his woobie-ness to defend his actions.

OK, here goes.

The Doctor was constantly depicted as a savior even when he didn't do anything ("Planet of the Ood")

1. What has that got to do with anything? And 2. I thought the point was the fact that he and Donna befriended the Ood and were kind to them.

and RTD even went as far as to depict Ten as a sci-fi Jesus in "Last of the Time Lords".

Russell T Davies HIMSELF has said that this is people looking into things which aren't there. Plus, in this instance, it wouldn't have happened without Martha's help.

Even at his egotistical worst, Ten could do no wrong and anyone who dared disagree with him (no matter how right they may be) was treated as an idiot ("The Christmas Invasion" and many others).

Yes, he deposed Harriet, but he's clearly painted as dangerous and arrogant and threatening too by the writing. The intent is that both have their points regarding the Sycorax threat. He has his moments of superiority and hypocrisy, I get that, but the idea that "Ten could do no wrong" is not backed up by the scene where Ten brings down Harriet Jones. Not to mention that this also disregards Rose, Donna, Adelaide, Davros (the turning people into weapons speech), Elton. None of whom are painted as idiots for their disagreeing with the Tenth Doctor. From after Rose's departure, Ten becomes a much darker and anti-heroic figure, and that's clearly on purpose.

A Base Breaker, since fangirls will use his woobie-ness to defend his actions.

This is just loaded fan bashing language.
Silverblade2
10:58:54 AM Feb 25th 2014
About the "Planet of the Ood" I quote the Pinball Protagonist entry:

"One criticism levelled at Planet of the Ood is the fact that it ends with the Ood thanking the Doctor and Donna for saving them when they've spent most of the episode wandering around doing nothing after blundering into two plans set in motion before their arrival (Ood Sigma dosing Halpen's hair tonic to turn him into an Ood and Ryder powering down the restraining field around the Ood brain in order to restore their free will). The Doctor does deactivate the explosives Halpen had set up to destroy the Ood brain but he's a very minor player in events." So yay that's a good point.

However if he was a God-Mode Sue "Midnight" (written by RTD) would have ended differently.
OldManHoOh
12:34:49 PM Feb 25th 2014
I don't recall the specifics about what the Ood thanked them for, only that they were thanked, but what I think I mean as well regarding "What has that got to do with anything?" is that a person who's mostly an observer who's caught up in the middle of things, and, as I recall, spends a fair part of the episode in captivity or being chased by that grabber arm thing, hardly says anything about how strong or weak the rest of the universe is.
OldManHoOh
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01:51:55 PM Dec 10th 2013
edited by 151.230.137.60
This was removed from Alternate Character Interpretation, admittedly for being factually wrong and ignoring the occasions River self-identifies as a psychopath, but if fans genuinely think either of these things about River, even if there's tenuous on-screen evidence, shouldn't the example stay? There are so many examples of dissention on and off this wiki, especially regarding the Russell T Davies era, where I go "was I really watching the same episode?"

Edit reason by emeriin: Did you miss the various talks about her being a psychopath?

  • River Song: devoted wife who just wants to keep the Doctor safe at all costs with a penchant for teasing and flirting, or complete and utter Black Hole Jerk Sue Creator's Pet? Branching off the latter, perhaps a deconstruction of many a Mary Sue fan-made self insert character?
emeriin
01:56:38 PM Dec 10th 2013
Fair point, but maybe rewrite it to be less... obvious what said editor thinks? Black Hole Sue, Jerk Sue and Creator's Pet are flamey on their own let alone all together.
OldManHoOh
01:59:20 PM Dec 10th 2013
Yeah, maybe.
OldManHoOh
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06:39:37 PM Nov 17th 2013
Moved from the character sheets:

  • Designated Hero: As Peter Davison said, his Doctor often made things even worse than they were before he got there.

Someone making things worse than when they began isn't on its own villainous. Can someone give specific examples before I move this onto the page?
OldManHoOh
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10:16:52 AM Oct 21st 2013
edited by 151.230.173.121
Is the Seasonal Rot example really complaining (or validifying complaints) that post-"Angels Take Manhattan" Eleven has a different tone? After all, there is a considerable time gap between "Manhattan" and "The Snowmen"... Or is that just some really terrible and awkward wording?
OldManHoOh
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04:06:13 PM Aug 7th 2013
edited by 70.33.253.44
Removed example of Base Breaker until the reasons are properly and neutrally explained, and not giving undue weight to the shippers and anti-shippers.

  • Although she's generally well liked in her first series, Rose Tyler quickly evolved into a love-it-or-hate-it character in her second series. Her fans saw her as the perfect companion and love interest for The Doctor, praising her chemistry with David Tennant, while her detractors cringed at what they perceived to be a Romantic Plot Tumor and branded Rose, who once got comeuppance for her occasionally terrible decisions, as a terrible girlfriend and a Karma Houdini once Mickey was shipped off to Pete's World.

Legitimate question: are these people actually rooting for Mickey legitimately as being better for Rose as the Doctor? Not to mention, Karma Houdini? For what? Not settling with Mickey? Calling someone out for upsetting her mum just because he was (initially) really after Rose? For making Mickey a murder suspect by making her disappear for—oh wait, that was the Doctor. Or the TARDIS. Take your pick. Mickey grew as a character, but he was wimpy and argumentative and, one could say, a bit of an idiot, when we first met him. Hell, even in series 2, he was "the tin dog". It was only during and after his departure episodes that we really saw the best of him.

Rose's characterisation, no matter how little you may like her does NOT begin and end with "the Doctor's girlfriend" or "the Doctor's true love". And, do you know what? This applies to BOTH sides of the "is she a likeable character or not" argument. In several episodes after the departure of Mickey, she was responsible for saving the day, and also aided Donna in getting her out of the parallel world/timeline built around her after the Trickster's Brigade tried to change history. What innocent, i.e. non-Dalek, or non-demonic, lifeform has she killed or maimed to even come close to villainous or anti-heroic enough to get the Karma Houdini moniker?
Larkmarn
06:09:12 AM Aug 8th 2013
She definitely does qualify as a Base Breaker though... however, I'm pretty sure the "doesn't like Rose" base is a Vocal Minority.

I'm assuming her Karma Houdini status comes from her various mistakes. Father's Day is probably the shining example. She went and came closer to destroying the universe than the Daleks for selfish reasons after being given explicit instructions not to interfere, as well as a second chance and told her it's even more important not to intervene. Her punishment for all this? Getting exactly what she wanted (being there for comfort her father as he died), getting to know him, and proving to herself that he was a good man. Now honestly, companions nearly destroying time and space? Completely par for course. It's just... jarring because this is precisely ONE episode after the Doctor abandoned a companion for interfering with time for selfish reasons.

As for Mickey, she did have some dickish behavior to him when he said he's been seeing some other girl. And her parting words when she left the first time were just needlessly harsh.

Now, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here. I'm not saying I agree with these people (I don't love Rose, but I definitely don't hate her). But she is definitely a divisive character. Keep in mind YMMV is here to mention fan-reactions and it is a measurable fan reaction that she's a Base Breaker, even if we disagree.
LogicalTiger
07:43:16 AM Aug 18th 2013
I'd say to place her back under Base Breaker but just cut most of the explanation why. Something like:
  • Although she's generally well liked in her first series, Rose Tyler quickly evolved into a love-or-hate character in her second series and subsequent appearances, a lot of which had to do with her romantic arc with The Doctor.
That way it keeps the fact that she is a Base Breaker and mentions that the Doctor/Rose ship has a lot to do with why, but keeps the more loaded and highly opinionated language out of it.
Larkmarn
10:29:52 AM Oct 21st 2013
That works for me.
OldManHoOh
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05:21:33 PM Jul 24th 2013
edited by 70.33.253.44
The modern series has always had some reliance on camp, with instances of consistently serious like "Dalek" or "Human Nature" being very infrequent if not completely absent. What especially makes series 2 an "over reliance"?
OldManHoOh
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03:03:39 PM Jul 20th 2013
Moved examples from Recap.Doctor Who NSS 4 E 6 The Doctors Daughter:

  • Harsher in Hindsight: In-Universe, the Doctor threatens General Cobb very loudly that if one were to look up "genocide" in a proper dictionary, they'd find his picture. Given what he did to the Racnoss babies in "The Runaway Bride"...

  • Trapped by Mountain Lions: Sadly, Martha gets treated with this. Nothing she does in this episode actually has any effect on the main plot and she spends half the episode separate from the other characters.
    • On the other hand, the intention was to show that she is capable of acting on her own without the Doctor's help. Having her moving along at the same pace as two time lords arguably works for this.
    • It was also to show that humans and Hath can get along.

The first is not made clear from context how exactly it's an in-universe use and both are messes of natter and corrections.

  • Unfortunate Implications: The Doctor is forced to become a parent against his will. And HE is the one in the wrong for not liking it.

Examples of this trope need citing due to misuse, or something like that, not a single editor going "I MEAN REALLY?"
OldManHoOh
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02:26:21 PM Jul 20th 2013
Moved from Recap.Doctor Who NSS 2 E 13 Doomsday

  • Hilarious in Hindsight: This dialogue with Cybermen and a Dalek about beauty.
    Cyberman: Your design is inelegant.
    Daleks: Daleks have no concept of elegance.
    Cyberman: This is obvious.

I'm not 100% what the point being made here is. Is it about them finding hate beautiful in "Asylum of the Daleks"? Because this doesn't really sound like the same thing at all.
OldManHoOh
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11:01:53 AM Jul 20th 2013
Removed Zero-Context Example of Evil Is Sexy from Doctor Who S7 E4 "Inferno". Anyone know which specific parallel UNIT members this means? I've not seen "Inferno".
Aradials
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10:48:19 AM May 12th 2013
Might it be an idea to split up this page into subpages? Like Old Doctor Who, Modern DW for example. This page is getting really long, and it's a bit hard to navigate through.
OldManHoOh
11:00:43 AM Jul 20th 2013
I'm okay with that, but, and maybe this is my prejudice towards the recap pages showing, but we forgo YMMV instances for individual serials?
OldManHoOh
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12:58:32 PM Oct 26th 2012
edited by OldManHoOh
Actually, scratch that comment. The Slitheen AREN'T a race.
OldManHoOh
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09:18:26 AM Sep 3rd 2012
I know that Unfortunate Implications is frequently unintentional, but I think they're deliberately playing up what was said just to validate dubious claims of Moffat being misogynistic. A person going through a phase is hardly the same thing as "girls liking girls is a phase".
OldManHoOh
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02:41:21 PM Jul 29th 2012
This from the Victory of the Daleks recap page:

Does this go here or on Lost Galaxy's YMMV page?
OldManHoOh
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01:12:41 PM Mar 21st 2012
edited by OldManHoOh
The second half of the Internet Backdraft entry: JESUS! Is EVERYTHING sexist or racist to Doctor Who fans nowadays?
QueenofSwords
06:21:24 PM Mar 21st 2012
edited by QueenofSwords
For one thing, no one's ever claimed that everything in Doctor Who is racist and/or sexist. Yes, there are Unfortunate Implications (as there are in many works). There are a lot of meta issues regarding casting, and several fans (going by the Internet) were hoping for another POC companion (we've only had a couple, one of whom wasn't a "proper" companion, as he was only in a few episodes before leaving the TARDIS), and ended up feeling annoyed when it turned out to not be the case. What's happened with Rita appears to have exacerbated things and caused quite a lot of dissent in the ranks, so to speak. Also, I hope this isn't rude, but you appear to be using a bit of a straw man argument with your (I'm assuming rhetorical) question, which implies oversensitivity regarding an already well known issue in the media: the general lack of POC actors, especially in comparison to Caucasian ones.
OldManHoOh
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02:31:31 PM Feb 18th 2012
edited by OldManHoOh
I'm confused by the Seasonal Rot article, not just because it basically amounts to half of the most/second most popular Doctor's run, but also because Holmes left in 79 while Hinchcliffe left in 77.
Howdeedoo
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10:40:11 AM Oct 7th 2011
Yes, there is Arc Fatigue. Read most any critical review.
OldManHoOh
10:51:50 AM Oct 7th 2011
As a rule, I don't read reviews, especially not ones of Doctor Who. Now can you say WHAT arc ran on in their minds?
Howdeedoo
11:06:54 AM Oct 7th 2011
River Song (from series 4 with no end in sight), and the Silence. This is longer than any previous arc in DW history. Despite the fact that I'm offering proof, the front page of this site says "there is no such thing as notability."
OldManHoOh
06:50:38 PM Nov 17th 2013
To paraphase my edits back in August of this year, I'd argue that in spite of River remaining as a recurring character into the following season, her actual story arc "ended" with series 6, as "A Good Man Goes to War" revealed who she was, and "The Wedding of River Song" explained both the astronaut plot and why River's in Stormcage. With hindsight of series 7, the Silence arc also seems to be self-contained to series 6 (or maybe 5 and 6). Other plot threads spring from or are begun in the Silence arc, but the Silence themselves basically vanished after the Doctor faked his death and began wiping himself from the universe's databases.

This is in hindsight, though, and especially concerning the Silence, I don't think it was evident in the aftermath of "Wedding".
Stovepipe
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01:55:03 PM Oct 2nd 2011
As far as I know, Ian/Barbara and Ben/Polly never caused any shipping wars. That's my argument anyways.
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