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14th Sep '16 2:48:02 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It might be quicker to say that almost anything that gets people riled up about Steven Moffat's version of the show can be found in some way, shape or form in Russell T. Davies' or the classic series.
14th Sep '16 2:33:37 AM DoctorNemesis
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* HypeBacklash: Fandom example. Rose was a fine character on her own, but when Martha was frequently compared to her by both the show [[DieForOurShip and the fanbase]], even some of the people who ''liked'' her have come to see her as TheScrappy.

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* HypeBacklash: HypeBacklash:
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Fandom example. Rose was a fine character on her own, but when Martha was frequently compared to her by both the show [[DieForOurShip and the fanbase]], even some of the people who ''liked'' her have come to see her as TheScrappy.TheScrappy.
** There are several MissingEpisodes from the 1960s which have developed a reputation for being almost legendarily good classics, despite this being hard to confirm or refute without seeing them. Consequently, there have been several occasions in which these episodes ''have'' been found, to the delight of all... only for a slightly awkward moment to set in as everyone realises on looking back that these episodes, while perhaps not exactly bad, weren't actually as good as they were made out to be. "Tomb of the Cybermen" and "The Web of Fear" are two which have suffered this fate.



* {{Wangst}}: Tegan was always whining and complaining about something.

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Tegan was always whining and complaining about something.
31st Aug '16 5:32:26 PM MrThorfan64
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[[index]]



* [[Awesome/DoctorWho Awesome]]



* [[EnsembleDarkHorse/DoctorWho Ensemble Darkhorse]]
* [[FoeYay/DoctorWho Foe Yay]]
* [[Fridge/DoctorWho Fridge]]
* [[Funny/DoctorWho Funny]]
* [[Headscratchers/DoctorWho Headscratchers]]
* [[Heartwarming/DoctorWho Heartwarming]]
* [[HilariousInHindsight/DoctorWho HilariousInHindsight]]
* [[HoYay/DoctorWho Ho Yay]]
* [[Narm/DoctorWho Narm]]
* [[NightmareFuel/DoctorWho Nightmare Fuel]]
* [[SpecialEffectFailure/DoctorWho Special Effects Failure]]
* [[TearJerker/DoctorWho Tear Jerker]]
* [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome/DoctorWho Visual Effects of Awesome]]



* [[Woobie/DoctorWho Woobie]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/DoctorWho Has its own page]].



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/DoctorWho Has its own page.]]
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Now has its [[BaseBreakingCharacter/DoctorWho own page]].



* BrokenBase: Now has [[BrokenBase/{{DoctorWho}} its own page]].



* CompleteMonster: Now has [[Monster/{{Whoniverse}} its own page]].



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Now has its [[EnsembleDarkHorse/DoctorWho own page]].



* FoeYay: [[FoeYay/DoctorWho Has its own page]].



* FridgeBrilliance: [[Fridge/DoctorWho It and Fridge Horror have their own page.]]
* FridgeLogic: [[Headscratchers/DoctorWho Has its own page.]]



* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: [[Funny/DoctorWho Have their own page.]]



* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: [[Heartwarming/DoctorWho Have their own page.]]



* HilariousInHindsight: [[HilariousInHindsight/DoctorWho Has its own page]].



* HoYay: [[HoYay/DoctorWho Has its own page]].



* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: [[Awesome/DoctorWho Has its own page.]]



* {{Narm}}: Has [[Narm/DoctorWho its own page]].



* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/DoctorWho Has its own page.]] And oh, does it ever deserve it.



* SpecialEffectsFailure: So notorious for this (at least in its early years) that it has [[SpecialEffectFailure/DoctorWho its own page]].



* TearJerker: [[TearJerker/DoctorWho Has its own page.]]



* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Now has its [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome/DoctorWho own page]].



* TheWoobie: So many it's got [[Woobie/DoctorWho its own page]].
31st Aug '16 5:02:02 PM MrThorfan64
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* [[Monster/{{Whoniverse}} Complete Monster]]



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31st Aug '16 4:51:43 PM MrThorfan64
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* [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/DoctorWho AlternativeCharacterInterpretation]]
* [[AwesomeMusic/DoctorWho Awesome Music]]
* [[BaseBreakingCharacter/DoctorWho Base-Breaking Character]]
* [[BrokenBase/{{DoctorWho}} Broken Base]]
* [[WhamEpisode/DoctorWho Wham Episode]]
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31st Aug '16 4:47:50 PM MrThorfan64
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Now has its [[BaseBreakingCharacter/DoctorWho own page]].
31st Aug '16 4:44:58 PM MrThorfan64
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Pick a Doctor, any Doctor. There will be people who love him and people who think he ruined the show forever.
*** The First Doctor; tormented and loveable TricksterArchetype who started this wonderful journey; or a violent, line-flubbing and unfinished character who needed to die for the show to [[GrowingTheBeard Grow The Beard]]?
*** The Second Doctor; avuncular, mercurial, adorable, psychedelic and perfectly performed codifier of all future Doctors in the show's tightest MonsterOfTheWeek era; or a talented actor wasting his gifts in a StrictlyFormula 'base under siege' show who [[HamAndCheese flaps about for attention when he's bored with the scripts]]?
*** The Third Doctor; charmingly anti-establishment gentleman hero; or arrogant, bigoted, militaristic tool of the Man?
*** The Fourth Doctor; the magnetic, complicated, loveable and swashbuckling '[[MyRealDaddy definite article]]' whose insane performance will never be bettered for [[MetaCasting raw, genuine personality]]; or an [[DependingOnTheWriter inconsistently-written]] BoringInvincibleHero performed by a [[CreatorBreakdown rather unhealthy]] LargeHam [[LostInCharacter playing the character as himself]]?
*** The Fifth Doctor; a subtle and rather fanciable character with an indomitable streak who brings emotion and vulnerability back to the role; or a boring, wet, sexless hypocrite who [[ReplacementScrappy isn't as much fun as that one with the scarf]]?
*** The Sixth Doctor; a layered, [[InternalDeconstruction metatextual]], [[RomanticizedAbuse darkly sexy]] JerkWithAHeartOfGold whose dysfunctional nature gave the character his edge back and who deserved more time in the role; or a bellowing, misogynistic sociopath dressed in terrible clothing and [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy no better than the monsters he kills]], who should never have been cast?
*** The Seventh Doctor; a brilliant and mysterious figure who presided over one of the series' highest points and brought out the character's depths and dark side; or a shouty fascist with a god complex in a cheap panto show that deserved to be cancelled?
*** The Eighth Doctor; a fun and dashing adventurer who bought romance to the character and has most of the greatest and most creative ''Who'' stories ever in his extensive ExpandedUniverse; or a cynical [[{{Americanitis}} American-baiting]] character from that one terrible movie who started all that awful kissing stuff?
*** The Ninth Doctor; gritty reinvention of a classic character performed by a quality drama actor DoingItForTheArt; or an unlikeably moody flash-in-the-pan who [[InNameOnly neglects everything that makes the Doctor so much fun]]?
*** The Tenth Doctor; the iconic, heartbreaking, fascinating, gorgeous greatest Doctor of all time; or irritating {{Wangst}}-ridden lovesick monster with an inconsistent and hypocritical moral code?
*** The Eleventh Doctor; bringing open romance, fun and playfulness back to the character and nailing his awesome speeches about how powerful he is; or bringing forcibly quirky oversexed foppishness to the character and defeating all his monsters by bragging at them?
*** The idea of the War Doctor. Some say John Hurt was fantastic in the role, others believe that the character could've been filled with either PaulMcGann (as number 8) or ChristopherEccleston (as number 9). Though it's likely the War Doctor was only created because [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Eccleston declined to return.]] While the Ninth Doctor does appear in the story in a brief but crucial role, since there isn't new footage of Eccleston we never get to dwell on his Doctor finding out he never really destroyed his own planet and people, though he's going to forget anyway. It would have been fitting because he's the first post-Time War Doctor to bear that guilt. The Ninth Doctor was implied to have recently regenerated way back in Series 1 (surprised to see his big ears), so it was naturally assumed the Eighth Doctor ended the Time War. It's not really Eccleston but [=McGann=] who gets shafted by the creation of the War Doctor which would have been a better and more satisifying end for The Eigith Doctor. Regardless, Moffat was having trouble picturing the Eighth Doctor fighting in a war because of what his character was like, even when Eight started turning darker. Which led to a regeneration scene for his Doctor to explain away the War Doctor's existence, so it's still a win in the end for some fans who wanted to see [=McGann=] again, along with making his ''AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho'' adventures canon. And Hurt's Doctor even goes out on a line that links back to Nine's ears comment.
*** The Twelfth Doctor; a deep and complex but still lovable Doctor who no longer hides behind a youthful facade or too cold, bitter and insensitive? The writers picked up on this, [[TookALevelInKindness and made him much kinder and more playful in Series 9 (his second season)]]. However, some fans feel that this has consequently made him an inconsistent character; others see it as simply him mellowing thanks to such things as Clara's influence (as she didn't take well to his coldness either) and his coming to terms with his identity crisis at the end of Series 8.
** Pick a companion. Any companion.
*** K-9. Historically speaking, probably the most popular and iconic companion ever, with even a petition to save him when the producer announced he was going to be axed... but, as a gimmicky KidAppealCharacter whose addition caused the show to do a LighterAndSofter GenreShift from GothicHorror to a {{Camp}}y borderline-sitcom, lots of fans loathe him, and the entire cast and crew hated him too.
*** Although she's generally well liked in her first series, Rose Tyler quickly evolved into a love-or-hate character in her second series and subsequent appearances, a lot of which had to do with her romantic arc with the Doctor. Her being brought back and undermining what many considered one of the best companion departures just caused more conflict. She is definitely one of the most divisible characters in the series.
*** Martha Jones. Some people consider her a bright, courageous companion who was underappreciated by the Doctor because he was moping over Rose Tyler, was mature enough to leave on her own, and kept up the work of defending the Earth. Other people think she was a clingy ReplacementGoldfish who couldn't respect that the Doctor was getting over his alleged great love for Rose Tyler. Still others dislike her and Rose and were annoyed at another romantic subplot.
*** Donna Noble. Many think she's a MostTriumphantExample of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, while others think that she's still annoying and lament the amount of CharacterFocus she got in her season.
*** River Song. It only got worse during series six, to say nothing of the finale, which appears to have set the [[InternetBackdraft internet aflame]].
*** Amy Pond. There are actually people who stopped watching the show altogether because of her, they became annoyed with the amount of CharacterFocus she got, feeling that the show had become "Amy Pond and Her Boys". Her [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale mistreatment of Rory]] and coming on to (including forcing herself on/kissing)/flirting with the Doctor was a turn-off for some people. There are also those who resent how [[TheLoad useless]] she was in her first season, with the only time she really saved the day (aside from figuring the truth out about the Beast Below) being the obligatory time in the season finale, where all she did was just ''remember'' the Doctor, compared to the amazing things Martha[[note]]Traveled all across the world, evading murderous alien cyborgs, for an entire year, to empower the Doctor with the wishes and thoughts of everyone on the planet[[/note]], Rose [[note]]Became a PhysicalGod and single-handedly stopped a massive Dalek invasion[[/note]], Donna [[note]]Became a human-timelord hybrid and teamed up with two Doctors to figure out how to stop the destruction of all reality[[/note]] and even Rory [[note]]Guarded the Pandorica, containing Amy's OnlyMostlyDead corpse, for eighteen hundred years while time itself was falling apart[[/note]] did during their season finale episodes.
*** Clara Oswald. Series 7 and the "Impossible Girl" arc: Plot hook masquerading as a character or plucky, resourceful companion who saved the Doctor without falling into the endless soap-opera drama of the Ponds? (Or were Victorian!Clara and Asylum!Clara just more interesting?) Series 8 and the Danny/Nethersphere arc: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap with realistic flaws and a richer personality or retconned into a major jerk and SpotlightStealingSquad from a new Doctor? Series 9 and her and the Twelfth Doctor's last days together: Wonderful DistaffCounterpart to him or boring [[ReplacementScrappy Rose Tyler 2.0]] who overstayed her welcome?
** Depending on the fan or story, Davros is either an EnsembleDarkHorse or TheScrappy. [[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks "Genesis of the Daleks"]] is widely considered one of the greatest ''Doctor Who'' stories of all time, but his inevitable overexposure from being brought back in every Dalek story of the classic series since made a lot of fans wish he'd go away and let the Daleks take centre stage again. Since then, he's only appeared twice in the revival series thus far.
** Elton Pope from [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E10LoveAndMonsters "Love & Monsters"]]; {{Adorkable}} and sweet UnreliableNarrator or irritating and pathetic tool?
** The [[MonsterOfTheWeek Abzorbaloff]] from [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E10LoveAndMonsters "Love & Monsters"]]; hilariously absurd villain or most shameful monster in Sci-Fi history?[[note]]Keep in mind that it was designed by an 8-year old for a contest hosted by the BBC, though, even here, some would argue that a small boy had a great idea which RTD proceeded to monumentally screw up.[[/note]]
** Jenny (AKA [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E6TheDoctorsDaughter "The Doctor's Daughter"]]). She's either completely hated, or she absolutely has to return for another episode.
** Creator/BilliePiper as The Moment's body in [[Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor "The Day of the Doctor"]]. Some don't mind it, others... [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement still have issues]] over Rose. Although, there were some who disliked Rose as a character but thought Piper as The Moment was fantastic. And, technically speaking, The Moment wasn't ''actually'' Rose, but the Bad Wolf entity (which possessed Rose). And of course, there were people who were unhappy Rose wasn't in the special, feeling they should have had her and Doctor 10.5.
** Any hint of romance between the Doctor and his companions leads to endless debate and arguments between fans who either believe the Doctor to be asexual an incapable of such feelings and those who see it as a realistic scenario given his tendency to travel with beautiful young women with whom he often forms deep bonds in life-endangering circumstances (a scenario that usually triggers romance in most fiction). Even when the show makes it unambiguous that the Doctor and a companion are in a romance -- or even, in one case, get ''married'' -- the debate persists with some fans applauding it and others claiming it ruins the show or the characters.
30th Aug '16 7:25:08 PM PaulA
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** The show is a very LongRunner and for a very long time (due to home video not being invented) there was simply no way to find out the quality of stories you had missed (due to ''not having been born when they aired'') save for: 1) buying one of the [[PragmaticAdaptation heavily altered]] and variable in [[DoingItForTheArt quality]] Target novelisations, or 2) buying a book written by someone who had seen the episode in question summarising what it was about and, more importantly, saying whether or not it was good. Both these methods led to serious distortions of truth in the fandom.\\

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** The show is a very LongRunner and for For a very long time (due to home video not being invented) invented when the show began) there was simply no way to find out the quality of stories you had missed (due to ''not having been born when they aired'') save for: 1) buying one of the [[PragmaticAdaptation heavily altered]] and variable in [[DoingItForTheArt quality]] Target novelisations, or 2) buying a book written by someone who had seen the episode in question summarising what it was about and, more importantly, saying whether or not it was good. Both these methods led to serious distortions of truth in the fandom.\\
28th Aug '16 5:32:38 AM AndIntroducingALeg
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