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The President's Daughter is about people being valued for their connections to wealth, power, or a prophecy. How many thought it was just about the daughters of powerful people? This trope is about people who are MacGuffins. Most of them are girls. Wait, is that MacGuffin Girl? No, it isn't. MacGuffin Girl is about a MacGuffin being transformed into a girl, or even another living being! See how this could be confusing? There is also Living MacGuffin, which is like The President's Daughter except they're not in danger, but more of someone the hero wants to see. Each page has an average amount of inbounds and internal links. The President's Daughter is the most underperforming of these tropes. I suggest renaming MacGuffin Girl and The President's Daughter to titles that are more accurate. Here's a check on every fifth link of MacGuffin Girl as I would expect the most misuse here. I believe The President's Daughter suffers more from disuse than misuse, so that may not need a misuse check.
Misuse, clearly a case of MacGuffin but nothing indicates a transformation from an inanimate object
Misuse, the character was a normal person before being transformed
Misuse, The President's Daughter lean
Misuse, Living MacGuffin lean
edited 19th Aug '13 8:39:18 PM by Mikurufan
A Wizard boyWhat trope are you talking about?
We had this discussion recently for Holy Child: See here.
It didn't go anywhere.
SF-81A Black KnightYep. Nasty misuse, Non-Indicative Title, and no YKTTW. It also has an interestingly titled redirect The Governors Daughter that people seem to be using for Exactly What It Says on the Tin, which is Not a Trope.
Why on earth did that get locked? It didn't even have a clock notice. Most people agreed on how to deal with that, so at the least it should have gotten a page action crowner.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
A Wizard boyI did request a clock on that, not a lock.
The misuse check is for MacGuffin Girl. Please read the paragraph immediately above the lists. The President's Daughter suffers more from disuse than misuse.
edited 11th Aug '13 1:51:30 PM by MikuruFan
SF-81A Black KnightI was talking about The President's Daughter (that being what this thread pointed at when I posted) but MacGuffin Girl has the same problems (minus the redirect thing).
edited 11th Aug '13 1:57:22 PM by StarSword
Many of the links seemed to mean The President's Daughter. I'm not sure if this is even tropeworthy. I don't see this happen often and it sounds like Humanity Ensues To A MacGuffin.
edited 11th Aug '13 2:03:18 PM by MikuruFan
SF-81A Black KnightA classic straight example of MacGuffin Girl would be Anveena from the Warcraft: The Sunwell Trilogy manga, who is really the Sunwell, a font of magic that was in Quel'thalas until the undead overran the place, in human form. Humanity Ensues is more general "nonhuman gets turned into human, usually involuntarily". EDIT: Fixed the example on the work page and kicked it into a namespace.
edited 11th Aug '13 3:50:45 PM by StarSword
Oh. I put that under Zero Context Example in the check. So MacGuffin Girl includes instances of MacGuffin who can turn into humans. I'm not entirely sue what the page is even about.
edited 11th Aug '13 3:29:59 PM by MikuruFan
SF-81A Black KnightWow. Complete coincidence. I'll pop over there and fix the example.
edited 11th Aug '13 3:30:58 PM by StarSword
SF-81A Black KnightFirst line of the MacGuffin Girl description is "The plot where the object that everyone is looking for turns out to have been transformed into a girl (with the occasional variation of being a Robot Girl)."
Except almost none of the wicks I went through indicated that. There are some doubtful examples on the trope page itself.
SF-81A Black KnightI know. Title's probably to blame. From playing Guess That Trope Definition you'd think the definition was "girl as MacGuffin", not "MacGuffin transmogrified into girl". I suggest a rename and cleanup.
edited 11th Aug '13 4:00:58 PM by StarSword
I think MacGuffin Girl needs a rename, then clean up the page and examples, moving them to more appropriate tropes. After that rename The President's Daughter.
Is there even a meaningful difference, trope-wise, between "girl who is a macguffin" and "macguffin who has been transformed into a girl"? It strikes me that the story plays out exactly the same.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
A girl who is a MacGuffin is someone is sought after by heroes and villains because she possesses something important. That's exactly what The President's Daughter is about.
I just changed all 6 cases of The Governors Daughter to The President's Daughter and cutlisted it.
What were they?
All I remember is Pirates of the Caribbean andů I don't remember. Even if she was the daughter of a governor, it still doesn't matter. It's not a trope. You could check my edit history.
edited 11th Aug '13 4:37:36 PM by Rethkir
Good. They should be kept. I may go over those tropes when we get around to renaming that.
Dragon WriterLiving MacGuffin is about a person with MacGuffin-like qualities; MacGuffin Girl is (non-intuitively) about the MacGuffin being transformed into a girl (possibly to hide said MacGuffin from the Big Bad), with side helpings of moral dilemma as the heros lament that her true nature is as an inanimate object incapable of, well, human interaction. And this whole subject has come up before, almost two years ago. It had a crowner ... and died.
edited 11th Aug '13 8:39:58 PM by Stratadrake
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