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Bumping this up for a random question:
What's the difference between Morrigan's Darkness Illusion and Astral Vision attacks?
I know one is stronger than the other in the game, but from an in universe perspective, they seem to be pretty much the same: Morrigan creates a double and attacks her opponent from both sides.
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Darkness Illusion is merely a ranbu-style attack, but Astral Vision is a temporary mode that duplicates all of her attacks.
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A ranbu, also known as an autocombo, is a move where the character rushes towards the opponent and does a set sequence of moves if they hit. Think of it like Weapon X in MvC or Hyper Tornado in Street Fighter 3. (If you want to know why they're called ranbus, the original example was Art Of Fighting's Ryuko Ranbu.)
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Don't know why you just couldn't say autocombo. How many modern fighting gamers actually played Ao F(even if they know it), much less remember the name? Sometimes the jargon for the FGC is kind of stupid and stuck in self referential nonsense.
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It's shorter, Also, the move survived into KOF, which is still pretty popular, especially in Latin America.
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Also when you have autocombo as a different term in other games, you kinda have to come up with something else.
edited 10th Jul '14 11:18:41 AM by Nap1100
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Oh okay.
But in-universe, I doubt there's much difference between them beyond Morrigan giving them different names for shits and giggles.
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given everyones outlook of the series who here believes this game will make a come back, also i think this game needs a new anime series.
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The franchise is unfortunately, dead in the water. A new installment would do it it's best justice, but Capcom will not take up the mantle for it (Ono says he's been trying. Says, at least).
I don't like the idea of some new out of the blue OVA being released for it. Why give it another soulless adaptation with a bunch of Udon OCs when we could have a proper revival of the series, and give the older games the scene it deserves?
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Does anyone know what's the deal behind the term "Darkstalker"? Why and how did Capcom come with this localization for... whatever it is that they used in the original Japanese game?
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Can anybody who's played the PSP collection please please PLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE tell me what damn button do I need to push to select a character without changing their palette?
I'd imagine it just comes from "characters that stalk in the dark". Y'know, like "things that go bump in the night", except that Nightbumpers doesn't sound nearly as badass.
And? And? And? And? AND?
The PSP game's not so much a collection as a port of the Dreamcast "Chronicle" version but press Square if you wanna use a character's default colour
Also I still maintain that Chaos Tower is what Resurrection should have been.
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I'm trying to flesh out post-Lilith merger Morrigan's power set for fanfic/headcanon purposes, and would like feedback on some of the ideas I'm mulling.
One idea I've been considering is that as a powerful demon, she's a natural shapeshifter who switches between a number of forms/modes depending on her needs, typically based on a certain theme. For Morrigan, the theme is the Seven Deadly Sins; within the scope of my fics, such a choice would be rather common among demons but which few manage to realize anything close to its true potential, like Morrigan does/would.
The following is a tentative description of the forms (collectively known as "Manifestations of Sin") and their specialties... which is not much beyond the broad idea, so I'll need help with this. The names are derived from the Scottish Gaelic names of the sins, since Morrigan is officially from Scotland.
Anamiann is Morrigan's most favored form, since she's a battle-loving succubus with a huge vanity streak. Her physical beauty is at its utmost level in comparison to the other seven Manifestations, and the very sight of her would turn weak-willed mortals into maddened slaves.
Incidentally, my headcanon is that the form we see her taking in Darkstalkers and other appearances is a significantly toned-down version of this one; charming masses of muggles just by standing there can be funny as hell, but she doesn't like the fact that it makes those same muggles ruin her fun by jumping into the battle to "protect" her (ordering them to not do so only delays the inevitable), and for all her tendency to irresponsible behavior, she detests senseless death, moreso if she's the cause of it.
Ironically, this form is the least suited for combat out of all her forms; the fact that she still manages to beat Cosmic Being/Physical God-tier opponents like Pyron and Jedah Dohma despite that handicap is a testament to her sheer power.
In Morrigan's case, Craois epitomizes her dependence as a succubus on human dreams and souls for sustenance, and is the form she takes whenever she engages in the actual process of feeding on human dreams/souls note . It allows her to devour dreams/souls en masse if she so wanted, though she has a distinct aversion to doing so because it lacks the intimacy of a "one-on-one" experience, and also the "tastes" mingle into bland incoherency when too many dreams/souls are absorbed at once; therefore, she only resorts to mass feeding in an emergency.
The flip side is that this form also the most suitable for Morrigan to utilize those souls she had absorbed into herself, whether as a form of attack or for more mundane purposes. Though the ability is accessible in other forms, only in Craois can she field the greatest amount of absorbed souls at once.
The way I envision this to be embodied by the Farmaid form is in the form of practically unrestricted shapeshifting, toxic powers, and curse magic that inflicts debilitating transformations, unhealing wounds, shutting down or even outright stealing one's powers, and other effects of similarly insidious nature.
In Leisge, Morrigan enters a torpor state within a magical "cocoon", in which her already impressive Healing Factor is ramped up to a prodigious level; she typically enters this form if she sustains potentially fatal injuries. The cocoon itself is the epitome of ultimate defense, possessing Made of Diamond-type Nigh-Invulnerability that is so strong it tends to drive assailants into despair over the seeming futility of their attacks. Leisge is not all defense, though; while her conscious mind is more or less asleep, her subconscious mind takes control of her powers and manifests them in the form of relentlessly spamming Magic Missile Storms and metamorphic weapon-tentacles to keep threats away, as well as summoning seemingly endless hordes of minions to fight in Morrigan's stead. If all else fails, Liesge Morrigan may resort to simply accelerating to relativistic speeds in either a hasty escape, or an unexpected charge towards the threat while trusting in the cocoon's supernatural Nigh-Invulnerability to help her survive the resulting catastrophic impact.
... This one I'm not sure how to go about, actually. I'm open to suggestions.
Uabhair is the Jack of All Trades among the seven Manifestations. Not as beautiful as Anamiann, or as powerful as Feirge, or as hyper-regenerative and speedy as Leisge, its balanced blend of the other forms' strengths and lack of their drawbacks/limitations makes it the most versatile and thus most dangerous of them all. Even so, Morrigan couldn't help but feel that there was something missing... until she met Lilith.
"Morrigan Pandiabolica" is the culmination of Morrigan's "rebirth" following her merger with the last portion of her soul, Lilith. With her soul whole once again, Morrigan's already immense power skyrocketed to heights she had never before imagined she could be capable of, far more than the sum of her and Lilith's respective power... and she also realized that the sense of incompleteness she felt with Uabhair was because of her soul's incompleteness.
In effect, Morrigan Pandiabolica is what Uabhair could've been had Morrigan's soul remained whole throughout her life and she somehow managed to not destroy herself on accident as her adoptive father Belial rightly feared. No mere Jack of All Trades would Uabhair have been; instead, it would've been the Master of All among the seven Manifestations, combining all of the other six's strengths at their fullest without any of their drawbacks, and then some.
Spamming energy blasts that flatten mountains, walking out of a multi-megaton nuclear explosion without a scratch, warping the very fabric of reality around her person just by willing it, and even practical omnipotence and omniscience within her personal domains... There is little that Morrigan Pandiabolica cannot do, and few beings outside her order of existence that can hope to match any of her feats, let alone several or even all of them. In this light, it would be understandable to expect that it would become Morrigan's default — perhaps even only — form following her merger with Lilith... and thus it would be equally understandable to be surprised when Morrigan defied all expectations and relegated the Pandiabolica form to being a last resort rather than embrace it whole-heartedly as her true state of being.
There is one very simple reason for that decision: Becoming Morrigan Pandiabolica, requires Lilith to willingly relinquish her sense of self and be completely subsumed into Morrigan's soul; this is starkly different from their normal physical mergers, which still leave her as an autonomous Split Personality at the very least. The experience is quite traumatic for Lilith, and whenever she regains her independence she goes into a Troubled Fetal Position and incessantly babble a near-incoherent Madness Mantra, locked in a catatonic state until her mind finally pulls itself together. Worse still is the fact that the longer Morrigan stays in the Pandiabolica form, the harder it is for Lilith to re-emerge as a distinct entity again and the longer her state of catatonia lasts; there is a very real chance that Lilith would permanently cease to exist should Morrigan Pandiabolica be maintained for too long, and that in the "best" case scenario, all Morrigan would be able to do is split off a soulless physical simulacrum of Lilith that would have no life of its own, and be no more than a magical puppet slaved to Morrigan's will.
Woe betide the one who does manage to force the Queen of House Aensland to stay in this form for that long. You can invade and pillage her lands, you can slaughter her subjects, you can even take her throne and birthright and desecrate her adoptive father's tomb. Hell, there's a non-zero chance of her letting you get away with committing Cold-Blooded Torture upon Lilith with nothing but beating you black and blue (but otherwise unharmed) for your trouble. But directly threatening Lilith's very existence is Morrigan's ultimate taboo that should never be violated. Demitri Maximoff once nearly succeeded in doing this by semi-accident; he swore off making a repeat performance in the aftermath, became even more obsessed with seducing Morrigan, and he, Morrigan, Lilith and all witnesses of the incident who didn't get caught as collateral casualties refuse to talk about what happened.
EDIT: Folderizing for less Wall of Text-ness.
edited 21st Nov '16 9:38:14 AM by MarqFJA
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....sorry man, not interested in playing ball on this one.
1) There's absolutely no canonical indication (to my knowledge, limited though it may be) that Morrigan would have any kind transformation-based Stance System — she's a Darkstalker, not a freaking (modern) Kamen Rider!
2) Morrigan (especially post-DS 3) is already the most bullshithax-tastic character in the franchise. IIRC, Jedah and maybe Demitri (if the ending where he absorbed Pyron's power into himself is canon).... and I guess Pyron (if the canon ending of Night Warriors is one that didn't show him dying) are the only characters who are even close to being in the same league that she is. .....and maybe future Anita. And possibly indirectly Cecil if he orders a Zerg Rush with Huitzil units en masse. THE POINT IS, I don't see any rhyme or reason in wanking Morrigan harder than she already is. She's already the World's Strongest Man - or chick, as the case may be - so she doesn't need to be "made" any stronger.
edited 20th Nov '16 9:10:57 AM by EvaUnit01
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
- There's no solid canonical indication that rules out the possibility of my headcanon either. AFAIK, she has yet to actually fight for a reason other than "I'm bored and don't have anything better to do" (that's the main reason she's classified as an Anti-Hero), and thus have reason to take a fight seriously (as in, quit playing around and go all-out from the get-go, as epitomized by Akuma from Street Fighternote ).
- Post-Darkstalkers 3 Morrigan has yet to actually show any signs of the supposed power-up she got from merging with Lilith. Like, none at all. My hypothetical headcanon above provides a plausible explanation for this seeming lack of difference.
edited 20th Nov '16 9:44:53 AM by MarqFJA
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Although the "Lilith ceases to exist in Morrigan's Ultimate Form and has a progressively harder time reasserting herself afterward" actually does sound like a good enough idea that I'm willing to roll with that one. ....but only that one.
On the other hand, I've heard that Marvel Vs Capcom (or maybe just the 3rd Installment) is supposedly representative of Morrigan's full power post-DS 3.
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Well, there you have it. I don't know why you even brought it up in the first place.
... Come to think of it, how does one describe Morrigan and Lilith's relationship to each other? Lilith is a Soul Fragment of Morrigan, and yet in spin-off appearances she refers to the latter as her older "sister", so... If a profile table had a box for "Known relations" (which typically includes spouses, legal guardians, adopters/adoptees, and foster relatives), what should one put in it?
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edited 22nd Nov '16 7:37:28 AM by EvaUnit01
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Bumping this up once again.
So do we have a list of what rank each of the characters are?
I know Morrigan was born S Class, and became more powerful then her father post Lilith merger (and he was S+ Class, which is so powerful, it beat down other S classes the way said S classes would beat down a Muggle).
And I know Demetri was supposed to be A to A+ rank, but I'm curious as to where everyone else stands.
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I have no idea. According to English materials, Darkstalkers were known as "the dark ones" (or something like that) before they were called Darkstalkers, but I don't know if that carries over to the original Japanese localization.
According to Vasili, who runs the Street Fighter Plot Guide, you call Darkstalkers (race) in Japan "Yami no juu" / "beasts of the dark."
edited 10th Aug '13 1:45:24 PM by HallowHawk