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open Excessive (?) gushing Film
Awesome.Avengers Endgame features several paragraphs of gushing over the movie breaking every box office record and becoming the highest grossing movie ever. To wit:
- The film's box office performance has been nothing short of astounding:
- Most box office prognosticators were cautiously optimistic that it could break $300 million opening weekend in the US, which would handily break Infinity War's record of $257 million, in and of itself a staggeringly high amount of money. It completely obliterated everyone's expectations by making $357 million, $100 million more than its predecessor. Barring some ridiculous future inflation, it's hard to imagine a future movie breaking the box office record by a 9-figure sum.
- Endgame became the first movie ever to gross one billion (with a "B") dollars in its opening week! $1.2B to be exact, which is almost double what Infinity War did on its opening. This also makes it the second entertainment product to do so, outside of Grand Theft Auto V.note And of course, being a AAA video game which costs $60 rather than just the cost of a movie ticket, GTA V has a massive unfair advantage there. To put simply, it became the highest grossing movie of 2019 and the 18th-highest grossing movie of all time in four days, and it's even more impressive when one takes the film's heavy Continuity Lock-Out into account.
- As of its opening Sunday (28 April 2019), Endgame broke 144 records.
- It became the highest grossing import movie in China ever in just a week. It hit $500 million there the Thursday after release, blowing past the original record holder The Fate of the Furious's $392 million total haul.
- After just 12 days into its worldwide release, Endgame not only surpassed $2 billion (becoming the second comic book movie to do so), but also blew past Avengers: Infinity War, The Force Awakens, and James Cameron's Titanic to become the second-highest grossing movie of all time. In turn, this makes the MCU the first franchise to have two $2 billion grossing movies under their belt, unadjusted for inflation.note If you do adjust for inflation, then it's second only to Star Wars, but it's still impressive either way.
- Crossing over with Heartwarming, Cameron himself, a man infamous to MCU fans for his comments about "superhero fatigue", congratulated Marvel Studios for surpassing Titanic:
@JimCameron: An Iceberg sank the real Titanic. It took the Avengers to sink my Titanic. Everyone here at Lightstorm Entertainment salutes your amazing achievement. You've shown that the movie industry is not only alive and well, it's bigger than ever!
- Crossing over with Heartwarming, Cameron himself, a man infamous to MCU fans for his comments about "superhero fatigue", congratulated Marvel Studios for surpassing Titanic:
- In 20 days, it grossed 2.5 billion. The only other film that achieved this was Avatar, and it took 72 days to get to that point.
- Then 89 days after release (July 20th, 2019), Endgame went above and beyond any other record it's broken prior to this point, and officially surpassed Avatar as the highest-grossing movie of all time.note worldwide, not adjusted for inflation, and the first sequel to do so. The last few weeks prior to this achievement were nail-biting, because even with the re-release in theaters it was clear that it'd be a photo finish either way... and yet it happened regardless. In fact, it happened with such perfect timing that Kevin Feige himself got to announce it during the Marvel panel at San Diego Comic Con. You'd swear it was pre-ordained from the heavens to work out this way.
- Once again, Cameron congratulates Marvel Studios for passing Avatar:
@JimCameron: Oel Ngati Kameie, I see you Marvel. Congratulations to Avengers Endgame becoming the new box office king!
- Once again, Cameron congratulates Marvel Studios for passing Avatar:
Do we really need all that info?
openSeinfeldIsUnfunny.LiveActionFilms Film
Noticed a lot of entries about Star Wars on SeinfeldIsUnfunny.Live Action Films that seem to argue with themselves, get facts incorrect, or are nattery.
"Darth Vader was noted in 1977 for being one of the scariest villains on-screen at the time. However, after becoming a heavily-marketed Series Mascot (even to kids), having seen Luke, I Am Your Father parodied a million times (which are, more often than not, more or less equal amount of Darth Vader clones) in the Expanded Universe,note which has been officially declared defunct by new Star Wars owner Disney, perhaps in part because of this trope and after getting to see villains like Exar Kun, Darth Revan or Kylo Ren, Vader is no longer perceived as the sinister force he once was, and instead has a reputation as a "cool" character akin to a superhero. Rogue One addresses this by depicting Vader, a One-Scene Wonder here, at his most sinister and brutal - making him Nightmare Fuel by 2016 standards and reminding audiences of why he's such a fearsome character."
"*** With some female fans complaining about the use of The Smurfette Principle in the series, many forget that having a woman like Leia being just as heroic as the male heroes was a groundbreaking move in the first place. Like the Vader example, this was addressed in The Force Awakens by having Rey, a woman, as the surprise main character, giving her a surge in popularity and serving as a breakthrough for the aging franchise." Seems unclear in the latter part if it's referring to Rey or Leia.
"*** George Lucas changed the 'Han shot first' scene because he and MPAA thought it was too dark and violent. Nowadays with the normalization of heroes shooting first, many fans consider the change to be an overreaction especially since Greedo was pointing a blaster at Han and he was acting in self-defense. Not helping matters is how later films show moments of heroes trying to kill helpless people like Cassian shooting a handicapped informant or Luke trying to kill his sleeping nephew." Han shot first was only changed in the '98 special editions, 21 years after ANH was first released.
openEdit War on YMMV.Solo Film
Saveelich and patriciovalencia117 are swapping one entry on YMMV.Solo back and forth between Audience-Alienating Premise and Internet Backdraft without so much as communicating with each other or bringing it to discussion. Saveelich in particular fails to comprehend what constitutes an Edit War and even has the gall to tell me off about it.
Edited by AnoBakaDesuopenStar Wars Expanded Universe Film
The Star Wars Expanded Universe page includes the theatrical Star Wars films, all of them dating back to Star Wars in 1977.
It would seem logical that the theatrical films should not be on the Franchise index for Expanded Universe. The film are base canon (or whatever you'd call that). The Expanded Universe is everything else that's grown out of the theatrical features—cartoons, radio dramas, books, comic books, the Holiday Special, blah blah blah. You can't expand something from itself.
EDIT: The movies are also in Star Wars Legends.
Edited by jamespolkopenFilm/ZapruderFilm Film
I seriously question the inclusion of Zapruder Film as a tropable piece of media. Troping real life is explicitly not allowed, and that's exactly what the raw unedited footage essentially is. Not to mention that some trope entries are really rather tasteless in this context.
Given its recognition by the National Film Registry and historical significance, however, I think the description could be transferred to a Useful Notes page while removing the tropes section. Otherwise the Film entry should be cutlisted (or, following a namespace transfer, turned into a redirect).
Edited by mahidevransopenQuestionable example Film
From YMMV.The Force Awakens:
- Franchise Original Sin: The Force Awakens introduced the first female lead in a Star Wars film; while this was a highly praised move by many fans, later films ended up focusing too much on the feminist aspect, to the detriment of their public perception and financial success. Rey was widely beloved for being a strong, badass and lovable female protagonist in a franchise that had relied on the White Male Lead trope for years, ended up moving a ton of merchandise,note much of which suffered from low supply and high demand broke the Girl-Show Ghetto, and only raised the ire of a Vocal Minority of He-Man Woman Hater fans (and let's end it at that). Owing to Rey's popularity, The Last Jedi went further in its feminist messages and themes, and introduced characters such as Rose or Holdo whose main purpose were to add diversity and progressiveness to the movie and who came across as less organic than Rey's role in TFA. While it was a given that such a move would upset Rey's previous haters, Rose and Holdo were very polarizing with fans, and many otherwise progressive viewers were upset by the nail-on-head nature of the movie's social justice themes. TLJ ended up performing somewhat below expectations (even if it was still a success) and merchandise sales went way down, and many fans stereotyped Kathleen Kennedy as an obsessive "social justice warrior" willing to use the Star Wars films as a means of spreading socio-political messages rather than delivering fun entertainment. The much greater success of Disney's subsequent Marvel Cinematic Universe movies, namely the still-very-progressive-but-more-focused-on-entertainment-value Black Panther (2018) and the largely apolitical Avengers: Infinity War, only drove more nails into the coffin.
Is this valid? At the very least it could use some condensing.
openHeadscratchers pages for not yet released works Film
Is it right that we have Headscratchers pages for movies that have not yet been released? Someone has set one up for the Deadpool sequel and all it is is a complaint about one of the characters that will be in it. (Link: The Untitled Deadpool Sequel ) Isn't Headscratchers to answer questions about something you might not understand from a work's plot, not a demand to know why a character is in it, without knowing how the story plays out first?
On a similar note, the Headscratchers page for The Last Jedi is full of people complaining about something the film did and then not liking or accepting when they are given an answer. Can someone take a look over that, I don't trust myself enough to be impartial on that page and I don't want to end up cutting out too much or leaving in my own pet theory, if someone less involved in that fandom could take a look then I'd appreciate it.
I feel like the headscratchers pages are devolving back towards being complaint sinks like they were in the Just Bugs Me days, and that isn't good.
openBad edit reason Film
On the YMMV page for Black Panther, I made a minor edit to a Base-Breaking Character entry where I noted that some fans who felt Killmonger made valid points disliked the fact that he was the villain. Round Robin then reverted it with the edit reason "Passive-aggressive potshot at the writers, and low-key villain apologia. Restoring the original, more neutral version. And, just to clarify: Killmonger is awesome and won the moral argument of the movie." This isn't a valid reason because I said nothing about the writers at all, and the troper seems to think that any implied criticism of a film's writing is somehow unacceptable. Also, the troper calling it "villain apologia" before immediately saying that Killmonger won the moral argument makes no sense whatsoever.
Edited by Javertshark13openAnother unilateral move from AHI-3000 Film
AHI-3000 split the examples from SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.Film into SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.Animated Films and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.Live Action Films and turned the examples' original location into a redirect to the main Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped page. No edit reason was given for this in the history for SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.Film.
Since I cutlisted SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.Film before I knew this, please decline the cut request. I already posted about it on the discussion page and the moderation discussion thread, and I reverted the change to SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.Film since TRS is currently cleaning up Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped.
Edited by GastonRabbitopenBlack Widow 2021 YMMV removals without an edit reason Film
Troper Ginjj21 has made only a handful of edits on the wiki exclusively on the page YMMV.Black Widow 2021. All these are removals without an edit reason of entries that seem perfectly valid. I have PM them to let them know that they need to put an edit reason for removal of YMMV examples. What do you guys think of the entries, are they okay to be restored?
EDIT: These are the entries in question:
- And You Thought It Would Fail: Despite the public perception that a Black Widow movie would fail or underperform following the character's death in Endgame, and it being perceived as "too late" for a such a movie to be made even after a decade of fan demand for a spin-off, along with the movie's simultaneous release on Disney+ potentially eating into the movie's box office, the movie still saw the largest opening at the domestic box office since the start of the COVID-19 Pandemic, with a $80 million opening weekend and an impressive $78 million international opening on top of that, alongside over $60 million in revenues from its Disney+ going directly to Disney instead of having to be split with theaters. The only downside is that markets where Black Widow was not released in a day-and-date fashion would take a hit due to piracy of the Disney Plus release being rampant.
- They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The revelation that Taskmaster is actually a grown up Antonia Dreykov could've served as the perfect impetus for why Antonia is so determined to kill Natasha. If it wasn't for Nat willingness to sacrifice Antonia's life (who was a child at the time) to assassinate her father General Dreykov, Antonia would've never had been physically mutilated then reconstructed into the villain she is now. This could have led to some poignant storytelling moments where Nat is truly forced to confront the reprehensible actions she has committed as an assassin as she is brought face to face with somebody she wrote off as Collateral Damage. But since Antonia is Brainwashed and Crazy for a majority of the movie, this plot point effectively gets swept under the rug the second Antonia is cured like all of the other Red Room candidates and is never brought up again.
- Catharsis Factor: Natasha freeing Taskmaster, especially given the reveal that she's just as much a victim as everyone else.
openEdit War Film
Back in December I removed this edit because it was natter, Conversation in the Main Page, and unnecessary second level bullet (also it's factually untrue that the Navy reactivated a battleship for the film).
Earlier this month, Gofastmike added it back with an edit reason stating it was "wrongly removed". I checked, and the troper was the one who initially added it.
I'd like to go ahead and remove it again but bringing it here so I don't edit war.
EDIT: I did send a natter notifier (natterfier?).
Edited by laserviking42openLeonEmbers Film
The troper LeonEmbers just deleted a good chunk of examples from the Awesome.Avengers Endgame page with a mere Edit Reason of "Nobody cares." See here.
Looking through the examples they deleted, I noticed that most of the examples this person deleted just so happened to be Awesome Moments where the superheroines got to shine. So not only is this person deleting a lot of Moments put together by other Tropers with a very weak Edit Reason, but the Moments that were deleted referred strictly to the superheroines, so this person is coming off as sexist and misogynistic. I don't know if that was their intention, but it looks a bit obvious.
openPreemptive moments page? Film
Avengers: Endgame's title and a trailer were released today (I think), and it already has a fairly extensive Tearjerker page from the trailers. Is this okay?
openHarsherInHindsight.AvengersInfinityWar Film
People keep adding Stan Lee's death in HarsherInHindsight.Avengers Infinity War even after I removed it twice because - as stated on the main page - real life people dying only count if if their death was somehow similar to how a character died onscreen which isn't the case here.
Should the page be locked or should we add a note or something?
Edited by Silverblade2openHuge amount of tropes deleted Film
Howdy there. Troper jamespol deleted a whole bunch of entries from the Casino character page, reasoning that they weren't character tropes.
My understanding is that also tropes that are not strictly listed as character tropes can be listed there, as long as they described the character.
Permission to undo?
openA Troper adding huge WallOfText entries on Stupid Evil Film
nebuladragon has been adding constant Wall of Text entries on the Stupid Evil pages regarding the animated villains including an uneccesary summary of their actions as well as uneeded bullet points that feels more like natter than legitimate criticism. I mean I can see the point of the examples but surely they can be severely trimmed down just to focus on the flaws of their plans?
Edited by Loekman3open Re-add or remove this example? Film
In Hypocrite Film added an example for Tony Stark in regards to Civil War. It was removed with a reason by editor Team-Tony. It was taken to discussion and have reached an impasse. Have PM Team-Tony taking it to ATT . Checking if valid to readd or leave removed
Heres the link to the discussion.
Edited by TuvokopenEdit War Film
Yesterday SwimToTheMoon added the following example to Horrible/Advertising:
It was removed by KingofNightmares , as it was determined by the So Bad It's Horrible Clean-Up thread to not be an example.
SwimToTheMoon has since then re-added it.
Edited by Anddrix
ryanasaurus0077 has made these edits on Star Wars pages:
The Rise of Skywalker:
- Killed Offscreen: Ahsoka Tano is heard as one of the voices speaking to Rey when the spirits of all the Jedi manifest in her to help defeat Palpatine, suggesting that she may have perished sometime between Season 2 of The Mandalorian and this film since all the other voices are of the deceased.
(their edit in the spoiler text; it was made to a previous example — I deleted the whole thing for Speculative Troping)Return of the Jedi: