To-do list:
- Crosswick Gold Tooth of Wealth.
The wick findings show that:
- 5/50 or 10% are "gold tooth signifying villainy/evil/amorality" examples.
- 3/50 or 6% are "gold tooth signifying wealth/status" examples.
- 3/50 or 6% are "gold tooth signifying both wealth/greed + villainy" examples.
- 34/50 or 68% are zero-context/chairs (unremarkable) examples and contextless potholes.
- 5/50 or 10% are other unsorted examples of other varied meanings.
- Final Verdict: The majority of the wicks are ZCEs and stray potholes which isn't surprising since the trope has a non-specific/broad name. After that, there are very few examples of the meanings gold teeth have, with villainous symbolism being in the lead with 5 examples, while the gold tooth = wealth/status and gold tooth = wealth and villainy at the same time have 3 examples each (so 6 in total). The remaining 5 wicks are unsorted examples with different meanings/contexts not fitting the previous categories and don't form a pattern of their own. This makes the trope chairs as currently written and an action needs to be taken to fix this.
- Solutions:
- Retool + rename the trope into Symbolic Gold Tooth to make it clear that it requires a meaning/symbolism, and make it cover either/both villainy or wealth. We have 7 examples of this excluding indexes.
- Or send the "gold tooth = villainy/evil/gangster image" (has 5 wicks only) and "gold tooth = wealth/status" (has 3 wicks) concepts back to TLP to gather more examples and cut the trope.
Wick check:
As brought up here
, Gold Tooth' description lists all the different meanings gold teeth have, making it unclear what usage it exactly is troping/describing. So, I'll check the usage of the trope and see if it has ZCEs due to its broad name or not.
Wicks checked: 50/50.
- Quick wick check results:
- 5/50 or 10% are "gold tooth signifying villainy/evil/amorality" examples.
- 3/50 or 6% are "gold tooth signifying wealth/status" examples.
- 3/50 or 6% are "gold tooth signifying both wealth/greed + villainy" examples.
- 34/50 or 68% are zero-context/chairs (unremarkable) examples and contextless potholes.
- 5/50 or 10% are other unsorted examples of other varied meanings.
- Final Verdict: The majority of the wicks are ZCEs and stray potholes which isn't surprising since the trope has a non-specific name. After that, there are very few examples of the meanings gold teeth have, with villainous symbolism being in the lead with 5 examples, while the gold tooth = wealth/status and gold tooth = wealth and villainy at the same time have 3 examples each (so 6 in total). The remaining 5 wicks are unsorted examples with different meanings/contexts not fitting the previous categories and don't form a pattern of their own. This makes the trope as written chairs and an action needs to be taken to fix this.
- Solutions:
- Retool + rename the trope into Symbolic Gold Tooth to make it clear that it requires a meaning/symbolism, and make it cover either/both villainy or wealth. We have 7 examples of this excluding indexes.
- Or send the "gold tooth = villainy/evil/gangster image" (has 5 wicks only) and "gold tooth = wealth/status" (has 3 wicks) concepts back to TLP to gather more examples and cut the trope.
- Animation.Gaju Bhai: One of the bad guys Gaju faces in the movies he stars in is a gorilla with a golden tooth.
- Characters.Danganronpa Another Episode Ultra Despair Girls: (Kurokuma), Has a whole mouthful of them, as a part of his gangster image.
- Characters.Fairy Tail Magic Council: (Crawford), Once he reveals his true colors, he starts sporting gold-toothed dentures that he loves to show off.
- DarthWiki.Mirai Yume Academy Round Eight: (Marina), Her solid gold left canine marks her as someone with questionable morals.
- Series.Big Mouth 2022: The big man Gong Jihoon hires to stay with Park Changho at the mental center has golden teeth fitting his creepy look and evil role.
- Luxury Tropes: Traditionally reserved for people who like to literally put their money where their mouth is.
- The Gilded Index: Gold teeth used as a sign of status or wealth.
- Characters.Punch Out: (Super Macho Man), Has one in the Wii version to show how rich he is.
- Symbolism: The character is wealthy but likely ostentatious and villainous.
- Toothy Issue: Usually reserved for greedy villains.
- Characters.Weak Hero: (Yongbae), How do you know that he's a greedy businessman? He's specifically drawn with an open mouth in his introduction so the readers can see his golden tooth.
- Gold Is Yellow: [C] – Control: Taketazaki has a whole mouth of gold teeth, depicted with a dull brown color and reflections of light being a faint yellow color.
- Animation.Captain Pronin: Putana has one.
- AudioPla.Panther Soul: The captain of The Faithful Troubadour is described as having a gold-plated fang.
- Characters.AFK Arena: (Vurk, in Maulers' folder), Visible whenever he grins, and he grins a lot.
- Characters.A Song Of Ice And Fire House Martell: (Garin), He has one, which Arianne bought for him after knocking his original out.
- Characters.Anarchy Reigns: (The Blacker Baron), In MadWorld, the Black Baron's presumably gold (the game is in black and white) teeth spell out "DEATHWATCH". By the time this is first noticed, they are soon to be punched out of his mouth if you do well enough in the boss battle. In Anarchy Reigns, his teeth now say "Fuck You!". — It's basically "X has gold teeth with words on it", so it's chairs
- Characters.Beware The Batman: (Tobias), He has golden teeth.
- Characters.Bob Lennon: (The Skull, Skyrim folder), Dirty Coward: Did nothing to prevent Kodlak's murder. He even took the bets.
- Characters.Cat Dog: ("The Mailman"), Which signals to Dog that he's the Paperboy all grown up.
- Characters.Double Decker: He has a couple gold teeth.
- Characters.Good Omens 2019: (Sandalphon), Has one with a tiny cross set into it.
- Characters.Fullmetal Alchemist Homunculi: Obviously. Somehow the resulting twinkle only makes his constant Slasher Smile more disturbing.
- Characters.Happy Tree Friends 10 Years Later: (Cuddles), Cuddles has this, presumably from an injury.
- Characters.Happy Tree Friends 10 Years Later: (Shifty and Lifty), Shifty has a gold tooth, while Lifty has a silver tooth.
- Characters.Jimmy Two Shoes: Peep. Apparently it helps him whistle.
- Characters.Marvel Comics Deaths Head: In More Teeth than the Osmond Family: Infinity Countdown: Darkhawk gives him a mouth full of fangs, complete with Gold Tooth.
- Characters.Norse Mythology: (Heimdallr), In some legends it's said that his teeth are made of solid gold.
- Characters.Sheep In The Big City: (Lee Outrageous), He has a gold tooth.
- Characters.The Good The Bad And The Ugly: (The Ugly), He has a prominent silver tooth on the right side of his top jaw.
- Characters.The Raccoons: (Cyril Sneer), Has two gold upper teeth, one on each side of his mouth.
- Characters.Thems Fightin Herds: (Subito, in The Meadow's folder), Seems to have one of these when he grins near the end of Shanty's Level 3 super.
- Characters.Treasure Planet: (Nathaniel), One of the teeth between Flint's big canines is golden. It's still present in his skeleton.
- Creator.Francisco De Goya: One of the drawings in his Los Caprichos series shows a woman trying to get one of the gold teeth from the mouth of a hanged man, covering her face away from him. — Something that involves gold teeth — chairs
- Fanfic.Only The Results: Valentino had one...until Sallos overheard him trying to blackmail Stolas into handing over a grimoire, or his ''daughter. Sallos promptly ripped out said tooth as part of the ensuing punishment. Something/incident that involves gold teeth — chairs
- Fanfic.Something Always Remains: Foxy has a few.
- Film.Bloodsport: In Tasty Gold: One of the Kumite staff in charge of wiping blood off the fighting platform notices a Gold Tooth lying there after one of the fights. He quickly grabs it, bites it and, after being satisfied that it's gold, pockets it with a big smile. — Stealing a gold tooth — chairs
- Film.Mean Guns: Moon wears a complete silver grill on his upper teeth.
- Film.The Harder They Fall 2021: In No-Holds-Barred Beatdown: Buck gives one to Wiley via pistol whip, knocking out his gold teeth as revenge for Escoe's attempts to take control of Redwood for a quick profit.
- Film.The World Is Not Enough: Valentin Zukovsky's bodyguard Mr. Bullion (played by a real-life gold grill wearer, DJ Goldie) has gold teeth.
- Literature.Clue: Book #7, chapter 5 ("Mrs. Peacock Bites the Bullet"), reveals that Mrs. Peacock has one, and it falls out when she bites into a bullet that had fallen into the cream puff she was eating. — Something/incident that involves gold teeth — chairs
- Literature.The Man With The Red Tattoo: Ichihara has a gold tooth, which is displayed prominently when he smiles at the captured Bond.
- Recap.Community S 3 E 05 Horror Fiction In Seven Spooky Steps: Troy sports them in Pierce's story.
- Recap.Kiko Riki Ep 162 Saving Time: At the end of the episode, Wally smiles broadly and a gold tooth is visible in his mouth.
- Series.The Magnificent Seven 1998: Ezra has one.
- Audible Gleam: Made by Harry's Gold Tooth Twinkle Smile in Home Alone.
- Twinkle Smile: In slightly more realistic circumstances, someone's smile might also sparkle because of a Gold Tooth.
- ComicBook.Richie Rich: Richie Rich had his dog, Dollar, fitted with gold braces to correct an overbite problem that he had, which were so shiny that it blinded would-be robbers and assailants. It also attracts the attention of a female dog, which made Dollar refuse having his braces removed until he was passed over for another male dog. — gold braces helps keep criminals away and attracts someone at the same time
- LetsPlay.Empires SMP: The Skull Fort has one, befitting its pirate origins. — Establishes the character as a pirate
- Podcast.Quest In Show: An orc Prose fights in The Bastard Sow has a gold tusk. Appropriately, he is named Goldtooth. — Meaningful Name
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 3rd 2023 at 6:44:05 AM
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We're sandboxing the trope for gold teeth symbolizing villainy instead of sending it to TLP, since there are enough wicks to do the split right away without it being wick-starved. We just need to decide on a name. We could still wait for dewicking to finish before putting the page(s) up, though, especially because it's still to be determined whether this can be done with the trope for wealth, but deciding on a name could be done ahead of time.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 25th 2023 at 6:31:15 AM
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For the record, I'm totally chill with doing the rest of the dewicking myself. I've turned a bunch of ZCEs into fitting examples. It's pretty fun.
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I hooked a crowner since there's already been some feedback.
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I've dewicked a couple "pirate has a gold tooth" examples. Anything to do there? It wouldn't be enough for a trope, probably about three occurrences so far plus part of a pirate outfit trope description.
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Honestly, I'd just stick those under Dressed to Plunder. "Gold hoop earrings and/or a gold tooth" is already in its bullet list of traits.
Edited by Theriocephalus on May 25th 2023 at 9:51:27 AM
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How about Malevolent Gold Tooth or Gold Tooth Of Malevolence?
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I like Amoral Gold Tooth. Amoral is more descriptive of an actual personality trait than "villain" and it leaves room for characters who may be Anti Villains or Ambiguously Evil to get covered. Like a shady backalley dealer could have a gold tooth to show that this chracter can't be fully trusted and isn't someone concerned with maintaining the moral high ground without them being an outright villain. They're not law abiding but not being lawful isn't the same as being a villain or even evil.
eta: Shady Gold Tooth gets that idea across too. As does Crooked Gold Tooth, which I can't decide if it's just the right amount of punny or misleading.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 25th 2023 at 12:01:07 PM
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Agreed. Some of the examples I've rounded up are for shady characters that aren't evil. I'll fix my formatting error in the morning, but I've gotten through Main/ and Chars/ thus far.
In the meantime I put the description in the sandbox and rearranged it to focus more on villainy. Does this new definition include "villain steals someone's gold tooth"? I'm thinking no but I left that paragraph there just in case.
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Haven't come across that yet. I've seen "villain loses gold tooth" and "someone gets gifted gold teeth to make up for the broken ones" but nothing about taking as spoils yet.
Since gold-tooth-signifying-wealth also seems on track for thriving, I put up a barebones description for it as well.
(Courtesy link to Sandbox.Gold Tooth Split)
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Alright, the work sorting is preliminarily done. Thanks, Synch, for the categorization work! If anyone wants to go through and augment/rework stuff, be my guest. There was a lot of frankensteining text from other tropes to get context for ZCE entries.
To reiterate, not all of the ones that'd go under the proposed "Villainous Gold Tooth" are villains. Some of them are just shady.
Edited by Yindee on May 26th 2023 at 11:02:32 AM
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Looks like we'll be able to handle both splits through this thread, which means we're doing another crowner after the current one (which should be able to be called very soon).
Gold Tooth of Wealth and Wealthy Gold Tooth might work as starting points, but perhaps someone else could think of something better.
As for some characters who fit the villainy trope being shady instead of full-fledged villains, Tropes Are Flexible. When TRS split Devil's Pitchfork from Prongs of Poseidon, there was discussion in that thread regarding the fact that the character in the page image (Ganondorf from The Legend of Zelda) isn't Satan despite the word "devil" being in the trope name, even though the trope is about villainous characters in general instead of just Satan (and Ganondorf has the title of Demon King anyway). (Devil's Pitchfork was on my mind because someone mentioned liking that trope's image's caption in the Entries that made you go "Lol" thread on Yack Fest, and I'm inclined to agree with that post.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 26th 2023 at 12:45:27 PM
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So, I saw that everything except Pantheon and Sandbox/ were dewicked, so it looks like we only have the following left to do:
- Choose names for the two new tropes. The crowner for the final name for gold teeth signifying villainy/evil/amorality should be ready to call tomorrow, so the 31st is the earliest we'll have a name decided for the trope for gold teeth signifying wealth/status.
- Refine the new tropes' descriptions if necessary, and move the pages to Main/.
- Crosswick and index the pages and disambiguate the original Gold Tooth page. In the case of the Pantheon/ wicks, we can let the Pantheon thread handle whether to move the wicks to one of the two new tropes or delete them entirely.
I think the third bullet point would be the last step once it's done for both new pages. Either way, we can start work on crosswicking and indexing the villainy/evil/amorality trope as soon as the crowner is called tomorrow, so that could be worked on while we're running the crowner for deciding the name of the wealth/status trope.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 27th 2023 at 3:46:02 AM
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yeah Villainous Gold Tooth can work as a name if that's what the crowner goes with since it's not inaccurate, though I do worry about future example quality. One thing I've come across from wick cleaning a lot of other tropes is that often when "villain" or "evil" is the only adjective/descriptor in the title, a lot of examples just end up as low to partial context examples along the lines of "So and so is the bad guy and has/does X".note Not an inaccurate write-up for the trope, just not the most descriptive.
It works, but it'll probs be one to keep an eye on moving forward.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 27th 2023 at 4:38:09 AM
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I recall Manly Facial Hair running into problems not long after it was salvaged from Badass Mustache and Badass Beard, so it's probably an issue of people missing the Meaningful aspect of Meaningful Appearance. At least we brought back the appearance trope thread (albeit with a significantly reduced scope) to handle that sort of problem.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 27th 2023 at 3:47:53 AM
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Calling crowner in favor of Villainous Gold Tooth for the "gold symbolizes a character's amorality" trope.
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[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php?crowner_id=o1ao6noe New crowner for deciding the name of the "gold tooth signifies wealth" trope.
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Added Prosperous Gold Tooth and Gold Tooth Of Prosperity.
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Status Symbol Tooth was suggested last page so I added it.
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I turned Villainous Gold Tooth into a redirect to Gold Tooth so mod intervention isn't needed to swap the rewrite in once it's ready to be swapped in.
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Calling in favor of Gold Tooth of Wealth. Put the new tropes in place and crosswick them when they're ready.
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So, I don't see any problems with the drafts for the two new tropes. Any objections to putting them in place? I'll move them into place in three days if nobody objects, but if people think it's safe to move them sooner, we can do that.
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It was decided to cut Gold Tooth is being cut and split off gold teeth signifying villainy/evil/amorality and gold teeth signifying wealth/status. What should the trope for gold teeth signifying wealth and status be called?
Wouldn't it be easier to cut and sort all the wicks before booting up the TLP draft(s)? If I could slog through as much as I did in a couple hours, I figure the rest could be done away with in a timely fashion.
Edited by Yindee on May 25th 2023 at 7:14:23 AM
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