Is this an example?

This query is a bit of a blast from the past.

I found this entry in Low Fantasy:

• Fire Emblem really likes toying with this trope a lot. On the one hand, there's races other than humans (most of which distinguished by being able to shapeshift into a draconic or beastial form), a legendary set of weapons wielded by heroes of old usually backed by a quest to slay an evil dragon or god, and magic being as common in warfare as standard medieval weaponry like swords and axes. What distinguishes Fire Emblem from any other Heroic Fantasy setting, though, is how it approaches all of these tropes; regarding the multitude of races, the vast majority of settings usually hold near-total human dominance with the shapeshifter races being regarded as near-extinct at most or a rarity at the least, with the one exception to that rule being also heavily swamped in political intrigue and human-centric conflicts, which also happens to be a staple of the series in general as most Fire Emblem games has most of the focus on the outbreak of war between nations. As for everything else, magic has been consistently regarded as a science far more than an occult happenstance (with Fire Emblem: Three Houses outright listing the domain of Black Magic as Reason), the focus as mentioned is on the outbreak of war and political intrigue than usual fantasy quests, and the legendary weapons of old lore are generally regarded as myths by the current games' timeframe. As a whole, Fire Emblem consistently plays fast and hard with what level of mysticism is present in the setting, with each game having varying levels of it being either a Heroic Fantasy setting or Low Fantasy.
  • Arguably the most reliable indicator for where each game places ties to where it places on the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism, as Fire Emblem is unique in being all over the place for a setting that regularly flirts with this trope. Fire Emblem: Awakening is easily the closest to being a tried-and-true Heroic Fantasy setting, with a light-hearted atmosphere and focus on the war against a demon god than the war itself, while Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War places almost complete focus on the political intricacies of Jugdral, up to including a deeply cynical tone that ends with the Hero being killed for their tendency to trust strangers.

A long time ago, I asked if the Fire Emblem series really did count as low fantasy and was given feedback that basically said "No, it's more High Fantasy." I want to double-check and make sure that it's alright to delete the entry on grounds of misuse, especially since the person who wrote the entry above was the same person who wrote the entry I was contesting a while back.

Do the following examples from Jason Aarons Avengers look like they're being used correctly?:

• Ass Pull
  • The general perception of Moon Knight's abilities in the "Age of Khonshu" arc, given Moon Knight's ability to steal other powers.
  • Most of the fights in the Phoenix tournament. All characters receive the Phoenix power, meaning that they have very similar ways of fighting. Everybody can release an energy blast, everybody can shrug attacks off as if they are nothing. And then somebody wins. Why X and not Y? Either just because, or because the Phoenix says so.

• Dork Age: Jason Aaron's run: a practical lesson on how to alienate everybody.
  • X-Men fans, for appropriating the Phoenix, from the X-Men lore (she even says that Thor is his only son... flat-out ignoring Rachel);
  • Thor fans, for dropping a "Luke, I Am Your Father" from Phoenix to Thor (and Thor going straight from "It's a lie!" to "Don't touch my mother!");
  • She-Hulk fans, for turning her into a dumb brute sack of muscles and even insulting the fans of her classic characterization;
  • Captain Marvel fans, for writing her like an unlikeable bitch while other writers try to move past that;
  • Iron Man fans, for making him the son of freakin' Mephisto;
  • Black Panther fans, for the Vibranium grill and the Vibranium teeth;
  • Ghost Rider fans, for shilling Reyes at the expense of Johnny Blaze;
  • Eternals fans, for killing them off for shock value in the first arc and turning a dead celestial into their headquarters;
  • Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. fans, for making Phil Coulson evil and then forgetting to do something with that plot;
  • Squadron Supreme fans, for making a new team who are just living puppets and ignoring the ones that are still around (such as the Hyperion from Hickman's run);
  • Hickman fans and New Universal fans, for the Hyperion thing pointed before and for turning the sci-fi Starbrand into the power source of a Hulk knock-off and a freakin' baby;
  • Howard the Duck fans, for brutally killing him in the Phoenix arc just for shock value, etc.

Someone removed this entry from Sanity Ball with an edit reason

• SpongeBob SquarePants: SpongeBob tends to act like an actual adult whenever he and Patrick are the only characters on screen, if only to emphasize exactly how brain dead of a person Patrick really is. However, expect him to drop the Sanity Ball like a rock once Squidward gets involved.
  • On the other hand, every now and then Squidward or another saner character such as Sandy will get a Not So Above It All moment and cause a dilemma, usually with SpongeBob acting as The Straight Man. While this was more common in earlier seasons, this break in formula still occurs at times later on.

What do you guys think?

It might be a valid example, but it's not very well written and it's got natter attached to it.

Can Developer's Foresight apply to game shows? Or is there an equivalent besides The Producer Thinks of Everything? Like how in Press Your Luck (at least the 2019 revival) there are special animations that can be used on the off chance that the player already had $0 before hitting a Whammy.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 20th 2021 at 1:26:28 PM

It's a game show, so I would count it as Developer's Foresight.

This was added to Pop Culture Holiday:

• Dragon Quest: Following the release of Dragon Quest III, which saw large numbers of people skip work and school to buy and play the game, Enix and later Square Enix agreed to release future entries in the series on weekends and holidays to avoid similar disruptions^note Contrary to popular belief, this was entirely voluntary on their part; no formal law was passed mandating this practice, though there were hearings in the Japanese Diet about it. Thus any holiday has the potential to become a Dragon Quest day.

This sounds too vague, as PCH is for specific dates designated for fandom celebration.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 21st 2021 at 3:43:13 PM

Never mind

Edited by TheLuckOfTheClaws on Apr 21st 2021 at 6:21:41 AM

Agreed.

Is this Mundane Solution, Stating the Simple Solution, or something else entirely?

Liv in the Future: Liv and Alix need to break into a morgue in order to get Liv an ID watch. Liv proposes waiting by the loading dock, disabling the security cameras, knocking out the guards and stealing their uniforms, and stealing a watch and getting out. After Alix complains about how ridiculous her idea is, he says he has one of his own. Cue the two of them walking in through the front entrance and presenting a cover story to get inside.:

Mundane Solution combined with "I Know What We Can Do" Cut

I'm wondering, should I put White Man's Burden into the National Stereotypes page?

I don't think it counts, as it's not about specific stereotypes but any "white savior" story. The person of color can be of a variety of nationalities, as can the white person.

I also wonder, can a white person help a POC and not be considered this trope? It feels like this whole trope is suggesting that its racist for white people to help POC.

I think that's oversimplifying it. White Man's Burden frames the POC as inherently disadvantaged or primitive due to their life situation or culture, with the implication that the white character can help them in ways others in their community cannot, and it has to prioritize the white character's development over the POC.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 21st 2021 at 6:37:52 AM

@Anddrix: I'm ambivalent about the Ass Pull entries but the Dork Ages ones are overlong and imo better covered with other tropes like They Changed It, Now It Sucks! and Character Shilling.

Edited by Aleistar on Apr 21st 2021 at 8:21:22 AM

Right. "White Bob helps his Black Friend Charlie" isn't this trope. "White Bob saves an entire African tribe from a drought because the Tribe didn't understand basic things like irrigation" is.

Been checking through Ashcan Copy and these examples need looking at:

Trivia.Johnny Test (possibly opinion in the trivia page):

• Ashcan Copy: Canadian broadcasting law requires that television networks air at least one show produced in their country. This likely explains why Johnny Test continued as long as it did despite massive unpopularity and increasingly minuscule budget, being was a quick and cheap way Teletoon could get around the law and maintain a cable channel in the nation and also because whoever in charge of producers and owner Cookie Jar must had really loved funding new episodes of the series.

Also, this example from Trivia.X Men Days Of Future Past seems very like opinion on a trivia page:

• Ashcan Copy: While the treatment is mostly for predecessor First Class (done to keep X-Men within Fox's domains), the film can be considered the greatest Ash Can Copy of all time, if aggregate reviews are anything to go by.

Hello

I have been trying to write a trope for a work (Specifically a case of Deconstructed Trope for the work Avesta of Black and White) but I am having trouble formulating and compressing it into something presentable as it turns out to be pretty loaded example with lots of moving parts. Deconstructions is just something I seem to have some kind of innate issue with wording.

I asked around and was pointed here for potential help, is this the place to ask for help in this kind of thing?

Does Franchise Original Sin have a cleanup thread? The trope is supposed to be "this flaw was in the franchise in the beginning, but it wasn't really a problem then", but I see a lot of examples instead saying "Why do people complain about this flaw in later installments when it was present here as well?".

That trope is eventually on its way to TRS for being a complaining magnet with questionable tropeworthiness by definition and also for suffering from massive misuse as well.

Do the following examples from Jupiter's Legacy look like they're being used correctly?:

• Avengers Assemble: Volume 2 opens with Hutch, Chloe, and Jason recruiting super criminals to join their team.
• Badass Normal: Hutch, whose father Skyfox designed a power-rod to compensate for his lack of powers. He later takes on the Skyfox name after his father's death.
• Battle in the Center of the Mind: The Heist involves breaking out Repro from suspended animation and giving him Raikou's powers so he can defeat Walter in a psychic duel. Repro fails because of Walter's greater experience, but gets the villain riled up enough that he neglects to use his psychic powers against Hutch which results in his death.

The Avengers Assemble one doesn't seem that clear (I'm pretty sure that trope's about gathering pre-existing cast members or friends, otherwise it's closer to Teeth-Clenched Teamwork.

The Battle in the Center of the Mind one doesn't seem that close to the definition; do we have a more general trope for psychic fights?

EDIT: never mind.

Edited by Lord-Jaric on Apr 23rd 2021 at 2:22:32 PM

From the WildStar page:

• A Lighter Shade of Grey: In theory, each side is supposed to have good and evil elements. In practice, it is much easier to sympathize with the Exiles than the Dominion. Most of the bad things the Exiles do are born of desperation or vengeance for the constant barrage of attempted genocide, Disproportionate Retribution and flat-out needless cruelty the Dominion keeps visiting on them. Having them as the advertisement's main feature at the price of Dominion's stories helps out with this trope too.
  • For the Dominion, Vigilant Church and Radiant Legion counts as this trope.

This feels more like a situation of "unintentionally sympathetic" for the YMMV page. I'm not for taking it down completely so much as I am switching it to YMMV. What do you guys think?