Mission
Comment out Zero Context Examples and leave this comment note on the page itself:%% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.
Edited to be a thread header.
Edited by nombretomado on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:12:58 AM
So, when I checked this thread
, it mentioned three pages that have ZCES. They are:
Also found The Cannibals of Candyland
All four have an Adults Only Rating ZCE, among others.
The user who created these pages, Erebus Elysium, was permabanned after he ban evaded an unrelated Trope Launch Pad suspension, just for the record.
Are these pages worth working with?
edited 17th Dec '17 8:48:38 PM by jameygamer
The President Evil entry under Time Crisis has been commented out. Not sure why you couldn't have done that yourself. Why do we need a threat to fix examples? Am I missing the point of this thread?
edited 18th Dec '17 1:52:02 AM by Ferot_Dreadnaught
Blapper of Water
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I don't think it's so much a threat as it is informing you about the presence of an Edit War going down. Unless there's something I missed. Commenting something out is effectively cutting it from the page, so the back-and-forth should be taken a bit seriously...
On another note — still talking about Characters.Time Crisis — someone removed the comment markup for Aristocrats Are Evil and added "quite so" as "context," but that's... obviously not sufficient context. And for The President's Daughter, they... explained that she is literally the daughter of a president but the trope was renamed to Living MacGuffin so that, too, is insufficient context (I think that entry is safe to delete outright if it's just "she's his daughter").
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
I commented out the ZCEs from the works I listed. They really have not been edited in 2 years.
Reporting back to let you know I found ZCEs under the Castlevania 64 folder in Characters.Castlevania. One of the characters in that folder, Actrise, has only two examples that are not ZCEs. What should I do?
Edit: I need approval because they WERE commented out, but Tailikku commented them back in in July, and only added context to two ZCEs.
edited 22nd Dec '17 1:07:47 AM by jameygamer
Of the seven tropes on Hell Universe, only two have context. The others have sentences that don't give context, only have one word, or in the case of the Fan Vid example, nothing at all.
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢
Super-Deformed has a lot of ZCEs, especially in the Comics and Western Animation sections.
Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢
Literature.The Abandon Trilogy seems like mostly ZCEs, and only has 11 wicks.
I was trying to get it out of Namespaced Works with Less Than 15 Wicks...
edited 9th Jan '18 7:58:56 PM by Malady
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
Musician/Composer
I've discovered that the Overman King Gainer character sheet has ZCEs and I've already commented them out a few days ago.
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Please also add a description for every character. Think of it as context for the character, just like every trope needs context for the example.
I bet Teen Superspy has a lot of ZCEs, especially the Western Animation subfolder.
Not that kind of doctor
Political Animals had a bunch of ZC Es. I tried to flesh most of them out, since I've just watched the series, but there are still a few commented out that I wasn't prepared to tackle. It doesn't look like most of the tropes one it had been cross-wicked, either, so I'm about to start on that.
Robeast has rather a lot of ZCEs, particularly in the Anime section.
edited 29th Jan '18 5:23:11 PM by Prfnoff
Not that kind of doctor
I just looked up Only Known by Initials due to a very similar concept being run through TLP, and much of the examples list consisted of just initials paired with work names or initials, the full name they stand for, and the work name. (I suspect a lot of them would be fairly easy to add some context to for someone familiar with the work, but I'm not familiar with most of them.)
I went through to comment out most of the ZC Es, but it could use some additional sets of eyes on it—I erred on the side of keeping a few that I'm not really satisfied with the context for, and I'm not sure what to do with the Real Life sections.
I think there should be, at minimum, context justifying how it fits the "only known by" part (e.g., the initials are literally the only name provided for that character, the character is almost always called by initials, or the character expresses a strong preference for being called by their initials). I also counted examples providing a reason for the character to be known by their initials as having context (e.g., Embarrassing First Name or punny initials). I didn't comment out examples in the Real Life folders—for the "Real Life - Writers" category, I assume most of them are going by the name the author chose to publish under, which seems to effectively count as the person indicating a preference to be known by their initials (although perhaps criteria should be noted at the top of the folder rather than merely implied). Likewise, most of the examples I recognize in the "Real Life - Other Famous Individuals" seem to be the names they chose to go by in their public/professional life.
edited 1st Feb '18 6:34:20 PM by NotOnAnyFlatbread
Blapper of Water
There are too many ZC Es on Teen Titans for me to get in one sitting. I tackled maybe a quarter of them.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
All 5 examples of Basket have no context whatsoever. Is this grounds for sending to the cut list?
There is no Planet B
Yes. I think 3 fully explained examples are the required minimum for a page.
I believe it would good to send a PM to the troper who created the page or someone who is editing the page. The description is not a top notch quality either, but someone put some work in the page and I'd like to give anyone chance to improve the page to meet the wiki's criteria.
BTW. does the film Basket even exist? I have not found a single mention of it on google. Seems like it was a troll article anyway.
edited 20th Feb '18 2:31:40 AM by XFllo
Walking Spoiler has quite a lot of Zero-Context Examples sitting around.
- Pokémon
- In Pokémon Black and White, N has one of the largest character pages of any character in the Pokémon games. It is at least 50% spoilered. Ghetsis is even more so, with at least 65% of his page spoilered before Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 came out.
- Purple Eyes from Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs. He comes in after the supposed ending as the new leader, and directly leads into the next villain. Also, all members of the Societea.
- Darkrai from the second set of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games is an example of The Man Behind the Man who appears after you think the story is over.
- From the same game(s), Grovyle and Dusknoir. Neither is what they appear to be at first glance, and spoiling Grovyle's identity also carries major reveals for the player character with it.
- Talking about Mew will inevitably spoil his status as a replacement for the partner character and the ending's Meta Twist.
- Xenoblade:
- Metal Face's true identity is treated as a big reveal, as is Jade Face's.
- Describing Alvis as anything beyond "mysterious guy who teaches Shulk how to use the Monado" will reveal something big, mainly due to his actions after Mechonis Core and his role in the ending.
- Xenoblade Chronicles X:
- Elma is the subject of a massive Reveal in the last few chapters about her true nature and her role in the overall plot.
- The existence of the Tree Clan Prone is largely kept secret until a good way through the game (unless you take a peek at the achievements list), at which point they are involved in many missions thereafter.
- Pretty much every arc in Trails Series will feature several characters who become this. As a rule, the older the game is, the more characters initially included in this trope fall into Late Arrival Spoilers and It Was His Sled territory. Let's start with The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky first.
- Professor Alba is introduced as a travelling archeologist who, because of limited funding in his research, cannot afford to hire bracers' service to escort him through dangerous archeologial sites. That's what you'll get if you want his information strictly under this name.
- The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel has several, both from the first game and the sequel. It reaches to the point where watching the trailer for the sequel spoils almost the entire first game. This is also true for the third game's trailer.
- From the first game:
- Crow Ambrust. He's a student at Thors a year above Rean who loves gambling. And this is all you can say about him without major spoilers.
- Vita Clotilde and Misty. Them being the same person is the least of it. Vita is presented as such a minor, irrelevant character that the fact she even is a Walking Spoiler is itself a huge spoiler.
- Emma and Celine. It's clear there's something odd about Emma right from the start, but her and Celine's true purpose is only revealed at the very end of the game.
- From the second game:
- Rufus Albarea. Starts off as just Jusis' Aloof Big Brother, but he turns out to be central to the single biggest plot twist in a game already full of them. As this reveal puts all his previous actions in a totally new light, it's difficult to talk about him without spoiling anything. Even after all of this the third game still has another plot twist for him.
- Giliath Osborne. You know you're one of these when you manage to derail the villains' plans simply by showing up.
- The third game:
- Ash Carbide. If you don't want to spoil anything, just say he's a delinquent-type student who gets transferred into Class VII *coughHamelcough*.
- The existence of another evil organization. It will be hard to explain the game's plot without mentioning Osborne, Ouroboros, Black Workshop and Vita to some extent. In fact, revealed members so far manage to become one. To list them:
- Azure Siegfried. Without spoiling too much, they are a character who shouldn't exist by the second game.
- Copper Georg. The reveal of his true nature also marks this series' take to a much darker turn as what he does immediately after reveal is shooting his former friend.
- From the first game:
- Yomiel, the mysterious Big Bad of Ghost Trick. When he shows up, the game pretty much heads into one Mind Screw and Plot Twist after another. For that matter, Ray and Sissel (the player character himself) also count since the game is about finding out what his identity was before he was killed.
- Batman: Arkham City:
- Simply mentioning Hush spoils the ending to the "Identity Theft" sidequest. Although, those familiar with the character can already guess who is responsible.
- Discussing anything about the Mad Hatter spoils a (admittedly very short) sidequest as well as the source for a lot of Hugo Strange's influence and resources.
- Joshua, and, to a lesser extent, Hanekoma in The World Ends with You. Kitaniji too, as you don't really learn his real role in the plot until the very end. And Eri to an extent, as merely describing her appearance can spoil a significant plot twist regarding Shiki.
- Many villains from Kirby end up as this trope, due to most of them being quite darker than the rest of the franchise:
- The true form of Star Dream from Kirby: Planet Robobot is arguably the largest plot twist in the entire franchise's history, as it ties back to one of the franchise's oldest games in a very unexpected way.
- President Haltmann's personal motives are kept tight-lipped until much later in the game, and for good reason.
- The true form of Star Dream from Kirby: Planet Robobot is arguably the largest plot twist in the entire franchise's history, as it ties back to one of the franchise's oldest games in a very unexpected way.
- Final Fantasy IV: The After Years has the Creator. Not only is it impossible to describe without spoilers, its name and even its very existence are major spoilers.
- In Jade Empire, the three main antagonists - Death's Hand, Emperor Sun Hai and Master Sun Li - fall under this trope. Said characters play with the Big Bad and The Man Behind the Man tropes, causing a lot of spoiler tags on their entries in the character sheet.
- Fire Emblem:
- It's almost impossible to discuss Zelgius without revealing that he's the Black Knight, which is a huge spoiler for both Radiant Dawn and its prequel.
- Yune is even worse, as revealing who or what they are directly spoils the biggest twist of the duology.
- Gunter is set up as the Crutch Character, but seemingly suffers an unavoidable Plotline Death very early in the game. On Conquest, this is revealed to be a Disney Death, but his true role doesn't become clear until Revelation.
And many, many more... roughly half the Video Games subpage in particular is entirely ZCEs.
edited 13th Feb '18 4:24:38 PM by Albert3105
There is no Planet B
That is bad... Just... uh. (I felt similar when reading Wham Line. If you don't know the work in question, you usually have no idea why any random sentence is supposed to be wham.)
Anyway, I'm here to ask for help.
When doing some TRS clean-up for Jerkass Façade (it is being merged with Hidden Heart of Gold), I've come to this page. Characters.Daysofour Lives. And it is terrible, littered with ZCE and YMMV. Does anyone have energy to fix it?
edited 16th Feb '18 10:22:48 AM by XFllo
I took care of it. I needed an energy drink, but I made it to the end. (I seriously did use an energy drink, but it was incidental to this.)
There is no Planet B
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The page looks good now, thanks a lot. :-)
I just commented out almost every example on Literature.Barriers Of A Broken Soul. There is only one example that had a sort-of-adequate context. Nobody seems to be editing the page (there are just some edits in the history showing it was moved from a wrong namespace), Candidate to cutlist?
World's Toughest Milkman
Have you checked the links? A lot of time, there will be valid examples on the trope pages, but just a ZCE on the work page—placed there by people who didn't quite understand the concept of cross-wicking.
Pretty much all the examples on Dark Shadows (1991) are ZCE's.
There is no Planet B
I did. Only 3 wicks, just indexing...
Not really. I'm glad we got the ZCE issue on that page (almost) fixed, but I sent the PM to warn you about Edit War, which can get a tap or worse.
Also, there's a ZCE President Evil example under Giorgio Zott that needs to be fixed. I'm waiting for a green light to fix it.