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- He wears a red and blue costume, has a similar name — "Super Mario" — gains special abilities from the environment of his adopted homeworld (tying in with the "mushroom kingdom has lesser gravity" theory mentioned above, which was the same explanation for Superman's powers in the original stories from the 30's — note original Superman had the same basic powerset as Mario — super strength, speed, and enhanced jumping ability), and is the primary hero in his universe. Most of Mario's additional powers come from plant life, such as mushrooms and fire flowers, which absorb sunlight through photosynthesis — similarly to Superman's solar-fueled powers. Note that Mario's powerup abilities are similar to those of Superman:
- Fireflower - Heat vision
- Starman - Invulnerability
- Raccoon/Cape/Wing Cap/Red Star - Flight (especially the cape)
- Iceflower- Freeze breath
- Yes, this is a very loose connection, but consider the Tangent universe Superman, a bald black guy with ESP, and the numerous other bizarre elseworlds versions (German Expressionist Superman anyone?) and it's relatively believable.
- Additionally, this also solves the mystery of Wario's origin, as Wario is quite clearly the alternate universe counterpart to Bizzaro, and is therefore most likely an imperfect clone.
- Yes, this is a very loose connection, but consider the Tangent universe Superman, a bald black guy with ESP, and the numerous other bizarre elseworlds versions (German Expressionist Superman anyone?) and it's relatively believable.
- Furthermore, transitive equality means that Sonic is therefore an Elseworlds Goku, which makes sense what with the super-sonic form being oh so obviously Super Saiyan.
- And suddenly, "NOW I'LL SHOW YOU!" actually becomes evidence for this. I mean, just listen to it after hearing Goku a few times!
- Even further, this means Link is an Elseworlds Batman, what with all his weaponry and gadgets, popularity, and stints between being a stoic badass and being cartoony.
- In keeping with this, SSB64/Melee Link is pre-Flashpoint post-Crisis Batman, while Brawl/SSB4 Link is New 52 Batman.
- So does this make Super Smash Bros the Crisis?
- Yes. Melee is Infinite Crisis, and Brawl is Final Crisis. 4 is Flashpoint, and Ultimate would be Convergence.
- But wouldn't that in turn make the alloys and wireframes the O.M.A.C.s?
- QED Sheik = Catwoman.
- To really run this into the ground, Samus is Wonderwoman (raised in a isolated, utopian society and granted powers by the gifts of the gods/ sufficiently advanced aliens), Mew is the Martian Manhunter (Pokemon could be from Mars right?), Team Starfox are the Blackhawks (elite freelance mercenary unit of pilots), and they all live on Earth 64.
- Samus can also potentially fit as a Distaff Counterpart to Batman, as they are both Badass Normals utilizing a suit with many abilities and utilities. This, by extension, would make Ridley a counterpart to the Joker, as they are both associated with purple, are Ax-Crazy, have a sadistic sense of Black Comedy, have a deep obsession with their enemies, and can never die.
- Braniac is either Andross or Mother-brain.
- No, Samus is Iron (Wo)man. Oh wait, that's Marvel.
- Pit is Hawkman. Okay, now I'll stop.
- And Meta Knight is...um...hrm...The Doctor!!
- That doesn't make sense, as Meta Knight and Kirby are both Nintendo characters from the get-go. As Kirby shows signs of imitation of Link, who is Batman, when he has a Sword power, Kirby is Robin, and batlike Meta Knight, a darker mentor to Kirby, is Nightwing.
- No, no, Meta Knight is simply a Kirby who has swallowed a Batman.
- That doesn't make sense, as Meta Knight and Kirby are both Nintendo characters from the get-go. As Kirby shows signs of imitation of Link, who is Batman, when he has a Sword power, Kirby is Robin, and batlike Meta Knight, a darker mentor to Kirby, is Nightwing.
- Wait, since "Toon Link" is the successor to regular Link, that makes him Robin. Kirby would be Green Arrow. Evidence: Green Arrow's arsenal contains a near-infinite assortment of arrows, including boxing glove arrows and bubbly fire-extinguisher arrows, which match up perfectly to Kirby's Fighter and Bubble powers.
- Alternatively, "Toon Link" is the Terry McGinnis to Link's Bruce Wayne.
- Kirby is obviously an organic AMAZO.
- Considering how Kirby is a Warpstar Knight, he may be the analogue of another interplanatary law-enforcement officer — Green Lantern.
- Which would make Meta Knight one too...
- To be exact, Meta Knight would be Sinestro.
- Alternatively, "Toon Link" is the Terry McGinnis to Link's Bruce Wayne.
- Ganondorf is Darkseid. This is fun!
- Considering that Ganondorf is Link's arch-enemy, he'd probably be the alternate of a Bat-foe. The only one who fits him, though, would be Bane.
- Ra's Al Ghul would be a better fit — immortal meglomaniac with a sweet cape (needs to be a trope), and a love of engaging the hero in dramatic climactic swordfights? Obviously, skull-kid is scarecrow, while the Dekus and Gorrons are races progenated by the benevolent counterparts of Posion Ivy and Clayface respectively.
- Considering that Ganondorf is Link's arch-enemy, he'd probably be the alternate of a Bat-foe. The only one who fits him, though, would be Bane.
- Also, Pikachu is Flash.
- No, Sonic is a Goku/Flash combo-Expy. Pikachu is Static. That's even the name of his ability.
- Nah, Captain Falcon is Flash. Pikachu is Thor.
- No. Captain Falcon is god.
- No, Sonic is a Goku/Flash combo-Expy. Pikachu is Static. That's even the name of his ability.
- But doesn't that make Dr. Mario Clark Kent?
- I kind of want to say that following this logic, the Chosen Four must be the Runaways... but then I remember they're Marvel and I brainfart.
- And would this make Olimar Squirrel Girl? I mean, a character who uses his many small minions to defeat opponents who are much stronger in canon?
- No, as she is of Marvel, and Pikmin was a 1st party game. Judging from his ability to command legions of plantlike creatures, who become more powerful by being around him, he's a good alternate version of Poison Ivy, more limited in abilities because Good Is Dumb.
- He's Poison Ivy IN SPACE who, due to Hocotatian DNA corruption, ended up male and benevolent.
- Two words: Swamp Thing. Space changed him.
- No, as she is of Marvel, and Pikmin was a 1st party game. Judging from his ability to command legions of plantlike creatures, who become more powerful by being around him, he's a good alternate version of Poison Ivy, more limited in abilities because Good Is Dumb.
- Having played sub-space emmissary, and taking the above into account this troper can now confirm that Master Hand is the Monitor, Crazy Hand is the Anti-monitor, and Tabuu is Superboy Prime — he was the protagonist of a game that Nintendo never got around to making (possibly Project H.A.M.M.E.R), and like Superboy-Prime, is taking his revenge on the core universe for his lost chance to be a hero.
- Luigi... let's see... same powers as Superman/Super Mario, except weaker and faster, with a completely different attitude... would that make him Supergirl? Sheesh, Luigi can't catch a break even in WMG...
- He could also be Mon-El...
- I'd suggest Krypto, only now I've got the mental image of Luigi saying, in a London accent, "Oh my God, I'm the caped dog!"
- He could be Captain Marvel, a thinly-veiled Superman Expy that DC later bought the rights to.
- The Krypto analogue is most likely Yoshi... Damn it! Now I have the mental image of Yoshi responding to all Mario's instructions with an electronic, slightly camp "YES MASTER".
- Bowser is a fusion of Pre-crisis Lex Luthor and Doomsday — He has the former's meglomania, and penchant for insane schemes, but not his mad science skills (which seem to have gone to Bowser Junior), and the latter's physical power and immortality, but not his adaption abilities (note that lava hurts him in both the original Super Mario Bros, and Super Mario Galaxy).
- Which in turn would make Mario's cosmically mischievous, sparsely-appearing foe King Boo Mr. Mxyzptlk!
- Bowser seems more like a Darkseid to me: "I am many things, Mario - but here, I am a god!"; "I never settle. What I cannot have, I destroy.". Seriously, it writes itself.
- Solid Snake, then, would be the alternate of John Constantine. Not sure why, but it seems to fit, and puts Snake distinctly outside of normal canon (but within easy reach for a crossover).
- The Ice Climbers are, of course, the Wonder Twins.
- Tabuu would be a malevolent Doctor Manhattan... with butterfly wings.
- And Porky is Ozymandias, Lucas is Nite Owl, and Ness is Rorschach.
- Tabuu is almost certainly the Anti Monitor.
- And Porky is Ozymandias, Lucas is Nite Owl, and Ness is Rorschach.
- All I want to know is when we're going to see Nintendo VS Mortal Kombat.
- Since they're both joke characters, would Mr. Game & Watch be Ambush Bug?
- Maybe Mr. Game & Watch is the incarnate of all pre-Superman comic book characters.
- Specifically, Mr. Game & Watch is the first comic strip character: Yellow Kid!
- I say Mr. Game & Watch is Martian Manhunter. He's from another world, he changes shape, doesn't speak much (even by Nintendo standards - he just beeps), and his world (the Game & Watch Series/Black & White 2D simple games) is kind of dead. Plus he doesn't exactly have a place outside of Smash Bros. Alternatively - Elongated/Plastic Man.
- Maybe Mr. Game & Watch is the incarnate of all pre-Superman comic book characters.
- I guess this makes Mega Man...Optimus Prime?
- Nah, he's an amalgamation of the Metal Men, keeping with the DC theme.
- Kirby matches up almost perfectly with Amazo; Metaknight would be OMAC (or vice versa).
- Pokémon Trainer could be Dr. Will Magnus, and his Pokémon are the Metal Men.
- Solo Charizard could be Firefly, for obvious reasons. Or it could be Firestorm; in an extra bit of irony, Firestorm is a case of Sharing a Body, while Charizard is a Decomposite Character. Or Jonah Hex could fit, if we're going for "badass character that isn't well-known at large but is incredibly popular with the core fanbase".
- Greninja is Katana, also for obvious reasons.
- I don't get the Jigglypuff/She-Bang comparison.
- Maybe Jigs can be Scream Queen or Silver Banshee, just as other sound based characters. there's no one in DC Comics thats known for their singing voice.
- Nah, he's an amalgamation of the Metal Men, keeping with the DC theme.
- No, you guys have it wrong. Link is indeed Batman, but Toon Link is not Terry. In the Batman comics, there was an alternate-universe version of Batman called Bat-Mite who was a big-eyed cartoony thing with a huge head and a small body that did everything Batman did but with an extra "goofy" cartoonish flair. And that is who Toon Link is in the Smashverse.
- Blanca is The Question.
- If Beyonetta is in SBB 4, would that mean that she is Crimson Avenger?
- Now we've got Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Mega Man to sort out... I'm not sure about the others but Mega Man could easily be Astro Boy.
- An optimistic bystander-turned-hero in a World of Badass? Quite clearly the Villager is Jimmy Olsen.
- The Wii Fit Trainer is obviously Black Canary. That just leaves Rosalina.
- If you ask Moviebob, she's Kismet. Otherwise, Zatanna.
- Is there any DC hero who was the vessel of an evil god? Because that seems like it could exist in a super hero backstory.
- Someone really should make this WMG into a webcomic.
- Mario: Superman - Main most iconic hero, variety of powers, Primary-Color Champion
- Dr. Mario: Clark Kent. Superman in professional attire, barely disguised.
- Luigi: Captain Marvel/Shazam - Same powers, deliberate expy
- Peach: Lois Lane - recurring Damsel in Distress for Superman/ Mario. Alternatively Supergirl as Mario's female counterpart.
- Daisy: Lana Lang - spunky redhead originally introduced as an alternate option for the hero to save. Alternatively Mary Marvel as Luigi's (Shazam) equivalent to Supergirl above.
- Bowser: Lex Luthor/Doomsday - most often recurring/greatest physical threat to Superman
- Rosalina: Dr. Light (Kimiyo Hoshi) - Space based, potentially unlimited powers
- Yoshi: Krypto - Superman's Animal Buddy
- Wario: Lobo (in WarioWare Biker costume) - super powered biker on par with Superman, introduced as villain, became an antihero
- Or Bizarro, (In Wario Land Overalls costume seeing that Wario is the opposite of Mario)
- That am terrible idea! Me think Bizarro not fit him at all!
- Bowser Jr: Alexander Luthor Jr.
- Alternatively, his use of the Koopa Clown Car could make him the equivalent of Toyman.
- Piranha Plant: The Floronic Man
- Link: Batman (No intrinsic powers but tenacity, wit, tons of gadgets, stoic badassery and good looks just like Bruce Wayne. Equally iconic to the brand as Mario / Superman)
- Young Link: Dick Grayson - the original Junior Counterpart Robin to Link's Batman, who left and the mantle was later taken up by...
- Toon Link: Tim Drake, a more recent a relatively upbeat replacement for the original Robin (not as brooding as Jason Todd or Damien)
- Zelda: Barbara Gordon, with the slower and more intelligence-based Zelda form being Oracle, and the speedier and more physical Sheik being Batgirl
- As of U/3DS, Sheik is now Huntress Helena Bertinelli.
- Ganondorf: Amalgamation between Ra's Al Ghul (immortal nemesis sometimes tied to origin story) and Bane (colossal Genius Bruiser fist fighter who's succeeded in killing/incapacitating Link/Batmannote , taking over Hyrule/Gotham, is also sometimes tied to Ra's himself, and is ambiguously Middle Easternnote )
- Samus: Wonder Woman Main female hero, during the Metroid Prime era was often seen as a third to Mario and Link.
- As of U/3DS, Zero Suit Samus is Wonder Girl.
- Ridley: Ares - powerful, sadistic warrior with ties to the hero's origins, and also a literal Cunning God of Death
- Alternatively Giganta because they're both too big.
- Dark Samus: Superwoman, the Earth-3 version of Wonder Woman and her evil counterpart
- Fox: Green Lantern Hal Jordan Inter-planetary peacekeeping squadron
- Falco: Green Lantern Guy Gardener (smarmy, wise cracker and the second lantern) or John Stewart (second most prominent and well known after Hal/Fox)
- Wolf: Sinestro
- DK: Aquaman (King of a biome)
- Diddy: Aqualad
- King K. Rool: Ocean Master (megalomaniac ruler who seeks to overthrow DK/Aquaman) with physical elements more akin to King Shark
- Mr. Game And Watch: Vintage Superman - Old
- Captain Falcon: Flash - Super Speed, flashy personality or Booster Gold as a Campy Large Ham coming from a futuristic world.
- Kirby: Amazo - copies powers
- Alternatively, Robin.
- Meta Knight: OMAC
- Alternatively, Nightwing or Jason Todd.
- Dedede: Penguin
- Pikachu: Black Lightning - uses electricity
- Pichu: Static - younger equivalent
- Jigglypuff: Shebang
- Alternatively, Silver Banshee or Scream Queen.
- Pokemon Trainer: Will Magnus - controls a team of six robots
- Pokemon are the Metal Men
- Charizard: Firefly, as a solo character - Flying Firepower and pyromania in general (though Charizard's is unintentional) or White Dragon (fire-wielding dragon-themed characters)
- Lucario: Soul Power
- Greninja: Katana - Ninja
- Mewtwo: Amalgamation between Brainiac (super-genius psychic supervillain) and Doomsday (genetically created monster)
- Incineroar: Cross between Firestorm (take a guess) and Wildcat (pro wrestler)
- Marth: Shining Knight (Sir Justin) - Medieval times hero
- Lucina: Shining Knight II (Ystina) - Medieval hero, woman disguised as a man
- Roy: Knight II
- Chrom: Knight I
- Ike: Atomic Knight
- Robin: Zatara and Zatanna for male and female mages.
- Corrin: Jason Blood/Etrigan. Capable of freely switching forms between a human and a beast. Both forms can fight, but the beast is more vicious than the human in combat. Member of a royal family.
- Olimar: Martian Manhunter - Stranded on earth
- Alternatively, Adam Strange.
- Pit: Hawkman - Angelic winged fighters
- Palutena: Hawkgirl
- Dark Pit: Hath-set (tied to Pit/Hawkman's existence/reincarnation)
- Alternatively the DCAU version of Shadow Thief, born of Hawkman's dark thoughts.
- Ice Climbers: Wonder Twins - Twins
- Ness: Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) - variety of powers awakened/acknowledged by space based bug
- Lucas: Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)
- R.O.B.: Red Tornado
- Snake: John Constantine
- Alternately, if third party = Marvel, Snake could be Agent Venom. I dunno, it just seems to fit. Could also be Captain America, as a super-soldier participating in fictionalized versions of real wars.
- Golgo 13, if we're going with Manga vs Comic counterparts.
- Sonic: Spider-Man (as rival company's most iconic hero, popular by being a witty teen in contrast to Mario/Superman's clean cut adult)
- Or Goku (as Comics vs. Manga counterpart, since Sonic even has Word of God Dragon Ball influences)
- Villager: Kamandi. Only human boy in a world full of super-intelligent animals, anyone?
- Isabelle: Flower
- Mega Man: Iron Man (if third party = Marvel Comics, with Sonic as Spider-Man)
- Or Astroboy (if third party = Anime/Manga with Sonic as Goku)
- Wii Fit Trainer: Black Canary - known for physical fitness (Canary was also the trainer on Young Justice 200)
- Little Mac: Muhammad Ali
- Either that or the Atom (Al Pratt)
- Duck Hunt: Wonder Dog
- Shulk: Genderbent Rose Wilson (Beam-sword wielder with precognitive powers)
- Inkling: Beast Boy (Teenager with attitude and animal morphing powers)
- Pac-Man: Yellow Kid (as a precursor to videogame heroes similar to Game and Watch)
- Could also be Captain America as a original iconic Marvel hero before Spider Man showed up and is much closer in age to Mario / Superman.
- Speed Racer as the Anime/Manga equivalent.
- Ryu: Wolverine (Marvel vs Capcom 3 rival, connection to Japan, Capcom's rough marketing equivalent to Link (most popular "realistic character") just as Wolverine is the rough marketing equivalent to Batman; if third party = Marvel Comics.)
- Kenshiro (One of the first notable action heroes of anime; if third party = Anime/Manga.)
- Ken: Iron Fist (American hero who learns an Eastern style of fighting and spirituality)
- Shin (Kenshiro's blonde rival)
- Cloud: Thor (blond haired fantasy hero known for wielding a really heavy weapon) or Captain America (blond, blue-eyed scientifically enhanced super-soldier and another inter-company rival to Link/Batman).
- Either Kenshin or Inuyasha as an iconic anime swordsman of the 90s. The former has a troubled past as a soldier, but the latter has a BFS the size of a boat oar.
- Bayonetta: Genderbent Deadpool. Gun-toting Heroic Comedic Sociopath who wears a skintight bodysuit and says sarcastic quips and one-liners at every given opportunity. Also a relatively new character compared to the others.
- Simon Belmont: Dr. Strange
- Jonathan Joestar (muscle-bound member of a Badass Family destined to face their vampiric arch-nemesis; the hero of the first installment.)
- Richter Belmont: Wong
- Joseph Joestar (flashier, headband clad descendant of the above.)
- Joker: Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
- Banjo-Kazooie: Groot and genderflipped Rocket (Very talkative small partner with a large brown character)
- Terry Bogard: Luke Cage (Street-level heroic warriors with a few fantastic powers)
- Steve: Mr. Fantastic (Crafting-centric hero), this thus makes Enderman the Maker by proxy
- Sepiroth: Loki (worst enemy of Thor/Cloud)
- Sora: Archie Andrews (character not owned by a gaming company as counterpart to a non-superhero comic big enough to be seen alongside the big two)
- We can also extend this to the Adventure Mode enemy characters:
- Tabuu: Anti Monitor
- Master Hand: The Spectre
- Crazy Hand: Parallax
- Fighting Polygons/Wireframes/Alloys: The Manhunters
- Galeem: Dr. Manhattan
- Dharkon: Telos
- Spirits/Puppet Fighters: Black Lanterns
- Hell, let's not leave out the Assist Trophies, either:
- Waluigi: Black Adam (evil counterpart to Luigi/Captain Marvel, pointy ears)
- Ashley: Mr. Mxyzptlk, as a powerful, playful sorcerer from the Mario/Superman mythology.
- Ghirahim: The Joker (crazy, playful and completely insane and dangerous enemy to Link/Batman)
- Skull Kid: Scarecrow, as stated above (similar appearance, known for causing fear on a large scale)
- Tingle: Bat-Mite (Cartoony appearance reminiscent of the hero whom he idolizes, has powers which produce, strange, "random" effects)
- Mother Brain: The Brain (Somewhat obviously)
- Nightmare: Dr. Destiny (Similar appearance, can manipulate dreams)
- Dillon: Vigilante (Wild west hero)
- Shadow the Hedgehog: Venom, if Sonic = Spider-Man. And he's obviously Vegeta if Sonic = Goku.
- Grey Fox: The Winter Soldier, if Snake = Captain America (Former friend of the hero turned enemy, enhanced with cybernetics after his apparent death)
- Elec Man: Living Laser, if Mega Man = Iron Man. Alternatively, if Mega Man = Astro Boy he's Zero/Electro.
- Starman: Carapax (Robotic appearance, enemy of Blue Beetle/Ness, uses projectile attacks)
- Magnus: Speed Saunders (Badass Normal ally to Pit/Hawkman and Palutena/Hawkgirl)
- Phosphora: Hummingbird (blonde-haired female enemy to Pit/Hawkman and Palutena/Hawkgirl)
- Guile: Cyclops (Level-headed contrast to Ryu/Wolverine with some issues with dead comrades and a distinct projectile)
- Krystal: Star Sapphire
- Knuckles: Scarlet Spider (red-colored, similarly powered ally to Spidey/Sonic)
- Shovel Knight: Stan Lee (due to all the cameos both of them make, Shovel Knight’s indie status as a parallel to Stan being a real person)
- Zero: Iron Man 2099 (post-apocalyptic future version of Mega Man/Iron Man)
- Dr. Wily: Iron Monger
- Alucard: Blade (half-vampire hero) or Jotaro Kujo (protagonist of the most well-known part of the story, biological connection to the vampiric villain)
- Can we work in our most-wanteds who aren’t in the game yet, too?
- Arle - Sister Grimm (Magic-using heroine)
- Crash Bandicoot - Hulk (none-too-bright hero created through a scientific experiment gone wrong, both wear shorts)
- Spyro - Human Torch (Fantastic Four) (Fire powers, enough said)
- Doom Slayer - Punisher (Hunter of a specific enemy, armed to the teeth with guns and blades)
- And if you're feeling kind to the Pokémon characters, you can fit them in the Watchmen mold. Pokémon, like Watchmen, is a well-established "sub-franchise" that's often depicted as distinct from the main Nintendo/DC universe. Here you go, the best fanart idea ever:
- Pikachu: Nite Owl (yellow color scheme, a bit softer than the other members but still badass)
- Charizard: The Comedian (manly badass who uses a flamethrower and is sometimes depicted as a Jerkass)
- Lucario: Dr. Manhattan (bright blue and glows blue with obvious "spiritual" superpowers)
- Greninja: Rorschach (wears a scarf, dark and mysterious with a laughably silly voice, Crazy is Cool, uses sharp-pointed/bladed weapons)
- Mewtwo: Ozymandias (the "villain" of the group, purple color scheme, the smartest and strongest of all)
- Jigglypuff: Silk Spectre (the token "female")
- Mario: Superman - Main most iconic hero, variety of powers, Primary-Color Champion
- Goku
- Super Sonic transformation similar to Super Saiyan
- Sentry
- Dark Sonic form similar to The Void
- Captain Marvel "Shazam"
- Manga Sonic was a kid who transformed.
- Captain Marvel moved from a smaller publisher to DC comics, Sonic primarily makes Nintendo games with troubled exceptions. But in the past they were rivals to the other company.
- Link is Luke Skywalker. They are both among the most prominent heroes of their respective franchises and have similar hair colors, eye colors, and general builds. Every Zelda game features Link growing from an ordinary boy to a Master Swordsman able to conquer evil, much like the Hero's Journey that Luke himself went through. Bonus points in that Twilight Princess Link (playable in Brawl and Wii U/3DS) started out as a farm boy, just like Luke.
- Mario is Obi-Wan Kenobi. Both are also very prominent heroes in their respective franchises, often receiving first billing (the prequels in Obi-Wan's case), and are Standardized Leaders depicted as senior to Link/Luke. And they also have similar hair and eye colors (in Obi-Wan's youth), as well as facial hair.
- Ganondorf is Darth Vader. He's already like him in Twilight Princess (although Zant is also one in a different way), and his relationship with Link/Luke for this WMG makes it even more obvious.
- Captain Falcon is Han Solo. They're both no-nonsense manly captains, beloved by their respective fanbases, carry guns of some sort, and pilot spacecraft named after falcons (Blue Falcon and Falcon Flyer/Millennium Falcon).
- Zelda is Princess Leia, as a Brainy Brunette princess with a connection to Link/Luke. Complete with a more masculine alter-ego disguise used to avoid attention from villains (Sheik/Boushh).
- Samus is Boba Fett. They're both armored space Bounty Hunters with their own personal spacecraft sharing their color scheme, and use guns, missiles, bombs and other gadgets.
- Mewtwo is Emperor Palpatine. They're both physically frail antagonists who are nonetheless incredibly powerful, highly intelligent, master manipulators, and attack with some sort of magical energy.
- Mario: Spider-Man (red-and-blue Everyman, Fun Personified, Jack of All Stats and company mascots)
- Donkey Kong: Beast (big, strong, furry humanoids)
- Link: Captain America (blond, blue-eyed, purely heroic, uses a shield, another one of the company's flagship characters)
- Samus: Iron Man (very similar Powered Armor. By proxy, Zero Suit Samus is Tony Stark.)
- Yoshi: Reptil (Kid-Appeal Character dinosaurs)
- Captain Falcon: Deadpool (wacky, Crazy is Cool Breakout Character with a red mask and tight suit)
- Peach: Gwen Stacy/Spider-Gwen (blonde love interest for Mario/Spidey who occasionally shows similar powers)
- Charizard: Lockheed or Sauron (both dragon-like characters)
- Cloud: Batman (brooding, edgy, dressed in black and flagship character for his company, and rival to Link/Cap)
- Ridley: Fin Fang Foom (giant evil dragon serving as an occasional enemy to Samus/Iron Man)
- Wario: Venom (Evil Counterpart, Slasher Smile, occasional Nightmare Face, Anti-Hero tendencies)
- If so, he must be Sonic's minion, as he has never been able to become a Super Saiyan as Sonic does.
- Lucario replaced Mewtwo by killing him in a seven-episode-long battle, after he discovered that Mewtwo was related to Frieza, the destroyer of the Saiyan homeworld.
- If you guys are just kidding, sorry, but SERIOUSLY. He was just VOICE-acted by Vageta. And the aura....
- And he was replaced by Lucario who is similar to — and voice acted by the same person as — Goku.
- Alt theory... he could be another one of Frieza's race.
Tabuu is from an alternate universe, where instead of there being a creative and a destructive force, Tabuu is both at once. Since this is an alternate version of the Brawl universe, all the characters in this alternate world are similar but different. Maybe he's a Nintendo fan, or maybe it's just a coincidence.
Whatever the case, Crazy Hand makes the subspace dimension, which explains its destructive power, and uses it as a bridge between dimensions. Crazy heads into Tabuu's world and forces him into subspace, then closes the portal behind him, explaining why Crazy isn't in the Brawl storyline.
Then Tabuu appropriately goes mad and uses subspace to get revenge by destroying what he thinks is Crazy's universe; in a way, he chose the right place, but destroying it would only make Crazy happier. Anyway, Tabuu starts his evil plan to destroy Crazy's own personal world using the power of the subspace dimension, and meanwhile Crazy is tearing his universe into confetti. The reason why Tabuu doesn't destroy things, and instead creates the "great maze", is because he's trying to rebuild his own universe. Of course, the Heroes trophify/destroy him, and before Subspace closes, Crazy returns through it. Essentially dooming a entire universe forever with his power.
Crazy just destroyed a universe and got away with it. While Tabuu tried to BUILD one and got destroyed.
Bet you feel a bit guilty now.
- Nnnope.
- But since the characters obviously have some sort of communication (how else did Lucario and Meta Knight convince Snake to help them?), Tabuu should have been able to explain. They knew Crazy Hand was missing, so that part, at least, was believable. Furthermore, why didn't he just steal building materials from the various worlds?
- For the second question: He kinda was. For the first: Since we're assuming the smashers communicate without talking, then we don't know if Tabuu was doing the same, and the Smashers just didn't care.
- He didn't bother to try explaining himself, he made evil clones, was the man behind various villains, and there's the whole "mass slaughter of R.O.B.s via Subspace Bomb detonation" bit. Yeah, I still enjoyed beating him down.
- If only Rorschach had timed his dodges right...
- Actually, he's a program written by Dr Manhattan, which is why he looks kinda like him, because TRON looked like his creator too.
- If he was Manhattan, that does raise the question of what happened to his... y'know... I mean, Tabuu's naked as Manhattan always is, but he doesn't have the parts. Did he cut them off or something?
This really doesn't belong here, but the other place I have it is hard to find.
Think about it. They are all kept as slaves, only released out of their trophy forms to fight in front of thousands as entertainment. The SSE is the chronicle of their escape, and SSE army is trying to reclaim them back.
Some time later, he finds the King Dedede, Ness, and Luigi trophies. Hit with waves of nostalgia, he decides to look into the online presence of trophy collectors and finds a surprisingly active and friendly community — people the same age as him, even. He's finally inspired to bring the collection out of storage by someone whose favourite trophy is Sonic. He gets into further arguments now and then, but Tabuu's wings have been clipped, and Master Hand shines even brighter for it. He then goes and buys Toon Link and Wolf.
- If this is the case, then Tabuu (Taboo) is a Meaningful Name.
- Evidence 1: 3 of his costumes are stereotypical "pimp colours" (Pink, Baby blue, and Purple) and his normal outfit is red, which means he flies the flags of a Blood. He also has the Playboy logo on the back of his Pimp coat.
- Evidence 2: When he trophyfies Luigi, which is his way of making you a hoe, he gives him a pimp slap, to show him who's boss.
- Evidence 3: He puts two buttons on Ness and Luigi but sacrifices his own to put in on a Princess, because they would generate the most profit.
- Evidence 4: In the SSE, he lives in the Playboy Mansion.
- Evidence 5: When Bowser wrecks Dedede's mansion, Dedede looks up and just lets a huge concrete block knock him out, obviously because he smoked one too many doobies and it messed up his reflexes.
- Evidence 6: As soon as all the fighters are beaten by Tabuu, the badges activate, because that means he was not one to buy the services of his ladies.
- Evidence 7: He pimp slaps Bowser in the face, which automatically makes Bowser shut up, evidence of a strong Pimp hand.
- Evidence 8: He throws his hoes at you.
- Okay, that made me crack up. Hoe-Throw attack...
- Which is why he is crazy.
- That doesn't sound right to me — That's about the age you stop playing with toys. Unless this kid has some weird, weird interests.... Rule 34 and all that... But if that were true, the game wouldn't be about Nintendo Characters fighting.
- Which is why he doesn't show up until Melee — at which point the kid has entered middle school and is having trouble putting away his toys/experiencing an awkward sexual awakening. By the time he's in high school, he's done with the toys and has settled for writing Nintendo crossover fanfiction (SSE), which in turn explains why Crazy Hand doesn't show up in SSE.
- Somehow, the introduction of Zero Suit Samus in Brawl, along with Zelda's more realistic design, only reinforces that for me.
- This goes along perfectly with the concept of Master Hand and Crazy Hand being the hands of Christian Weston Chandler.
- That doesn't sound right to me — That's about the age you stop playing with toys. Unless this kid has some weird, weird interests.... Rule 34 and all that... But if that were true, the game wouldn't be about Nintendo Characters fighting.
- They look exactly alike; Tabuu has the neon glow. Also helps that Tron has been a world in Kingdom Hearts II. And that the two games happen to share a scenario writer. This, of course, has the supplementary WMG that Brawl is in fact a game on Ansem's computer network, because his apprentices loved to have late night Smash Bros. marathons.
- This troper now imagines Xehanort, Lord of The Heartless, using Dark-Toon Link in a game against Sora, who's using Kirby... hilarious.
They have no visible support. They're like white gloves. They're right and left. Yeah. They're Rayman.
- It took a while, but it seems Rayman's trophy in Smash Bros. Wii U Jossed this theory.
OK, first, consider the character of Lucas himself. His name is Lucas, his symbol is a planet, his hairstyle is... well, let's say it's distinctive, and he fights with a mystical energy that surrounds us all. He comes from the world of Earthbound / Mother, which has very strong ties to alien mythology, so we know he was exposed to that kind of story from an early age.
Next, Lucas gets thrust into the Smashverse. There, he's a young kid who is not very courageous, but in the Subspace Emissary he learns to man up and do the right thing for the common good after Ness cares for him, and he decides to go on an adventure to avenge him.
In the Smashverse, he also learns (and meets, of course) a group of people devoted to protecting a huge multiverse from a tyrannical ruler. These people (the other smash characters; Mario, Link, Samus, etc.) have extraordinary abilities, but they're up against a group with similar abilities that uses them for evil. Also, note that there are many more good guys than bad guys in the Smashverse.
OK, now fast-forward to After the End of the Subspace Emissary, when everything has been saved. Lucas, now an expert at leaping from universe to universe, comes to our world, where he grows into an adult. He still has fond memories of all his adventures as a child, but realizes that in this world nobody would accept them as truth. So he writes the whole thing over again, changing the setting and a couple of names, and so it comes to pass that Lucas, first name George, creates a pop culture phenomenon.
See, in Star Wars, Luke, who is obviously another name for Lucas, has blond hair and lives a simple life until Empire agents attack the Lars Homestead. This is exactly what happened to Lucas; he was a blond-haired kid who led a simple life until an agent of the Empire, in this case Wario, attacked and "killed" someone he cared for, thus sending Lucas on a quest to avenge him.
In Star Wars, the main villain is a tall guy in black who wears a long flowing cape, but then turns out to be controlled by a hunched and even more evil figure who was controlling everything from behind the scenes. Ganondorf obviously translated into Darth Vader, whereas Tabuu was the Emperor.
The "good guys" in the Smashverse translated into the Jedi Council, whereas the "bad guys" became the Sith. Notice that in the Star Wars universe, there are only ever two Sith, the master and the apprentice. This is exactly the same as in the Smashverse; Ganondorf serves Tabuu (or his puppet the Master Hand), but there are many subordinates doing their dirty work, such as Wario and Bowser. Bowser in particular is clearly General Grievous, because he transforms his victims into trophies and then uses their "evil trophies" for his own good. General Grievous steals and uses the lightsabers of fallen Jedi.
I rest my case.
- Even though this is about the most far-fetched thing I have ever read, I congratulate the troper who created this for having such an imagination.
- Why, thank you! I wrote a more extended joke essay where I plotted out both stories directly, noting the similarities, ("coincidence!? I think not!") and gave every Smash character a Star Wars expy that matches, but that's too long to put it up here.
- First, I want to say that was awesome. Second, there is some kind of thing that you can put long things into on this site. Like it's a little button that says "long" and when you click it, it expands and your long essay or whatever is inside. I'm not sure how to make one though. If you look on the Super Mario Bros. page, I think you can see some and just edit to see how to make it.
- Ganondorf is Darth Vader? Ganondorf? To say nothing of his brother?
- That kind of thing happened in Lucas's own game, too! IT'S TRUE!
The Heartless were invading the TRON world when some sort of universal shift occurred, spawning several powerful Noise. These Heartless/Noise possessed/attacked a computer program, which was written into the Nintendo verse. Thus we have Tabuu, who looks like a Tron program, creates creatures that look suspiciously like Heartless, and has Noise-like wings.
- Perhaps it was a VERY slow business night, no jobs needing doing and what have you. So they perhaps got some action figures out of Dante's secret drawer, figures which Dante and Vergil used to play with when they were kids. Call it killing time. And since this is DANTE we're talking about here, awesome can only ensue.
- And also Luigi's negative zone.
Master Hand is the side of him that likes creation and is responsible for creating the smash universe, Crazy hand is the destructive side of his personality that makes him want to force his trophies to fight over and over, and Tabuu is the side of him that knows how weird his hobby is. The Subspace Emissary is a metaphor for when he decides to put up his trophies for good (represented by Tabuu defeating Master Hand), but eventually deciding to bring them all out of storage.
- This is why they all have grabs and holds.
- Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, Pichu, Roy, and Young Link retired their characters.
- And why matches only end by ring outs? Because instead of staging mat wrestling or mixed martial arts, the Nintendo characters decided to be different and stage over the top sumo wrestling.
- My hands do not shoot out lasers and bullet bills, thank you very much!
- Mine do, if I drink 2,000,000 truckloads of redbull.
- He wants to reshape the world to his liking.
- ROBs are completely expendable, and not part of his New World.
- Mr. Game & Watches are just weapons.
- Everything was created for Tabuu.
- You call those backgrounds bland?
- Kirby's first video game appearance was in 1992 — but then again, his first game was on the Game Boy, and gaming wasn't really about amazing graphics in the early '90s either...
Think about it. Japan created Pac-Man, Mario, Metal Gear, Mother, and Pokémon, all games spanning different genres and stories, whereas the only thing Americans created were games like Halo, Spyro, Space Invaders, and many other games in which all you basically did was kill things. However, Will Wright was one of the very few on the west that could impress the Japanese because the games he made were mostly built around creating things, like cities, families, and even cute little critters. Hence, since Wright likes to create universes, he was "reincarnated" in the game world as Master Hand. However, the Nintendo characters feared his presence because while he did manage to create, he could also destroy.
So by the time we're in the Subspace Emissary, Tabuu is actually the representation of what American gamers want; to create havoc upon various worlds. However, because Master Hand (Wright) was able to earn some appreciation and respect with the characters (the different parts of the world), and Tabuu just controlled Master Hand to convince whoever wanted to pay attention that creating subspace zones were "creating things". This, of course, would lead the other characters to notice that something was dreadfully wrong, and well, it explains why people like Mario a lot again...
- One problem: Dr Wright's assist trophy.
- Smash Bros doesn't HAVE to make sense.
- Furthermore, WMG's don't have to make sense.
- Alternatively, SSE is a Doctor Who/Stargate crossover: Tabuu is the Valeyard; The Doctor Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence after his final regeneration (Daniel Jackson); Samus is a regeneration of the Doctor's daughter (can't remember her name), who at an earlier point regenerated into Sam Carter; Snake is actually the result of a noodle incident involving Jack O'Neill, the Jack mini-me/clone made by Loki, and Todd; ROB is in fact Dalek Caan; King De De De is Merlin; Ganondorf is a much younger Davros; Pit, Mr. Game & Watch, and Sonic are Timelords who opposed James Bond; the other Smashers or Tok'ra of the Wheeping Angels/SG Team members/Companions; and all the mooks and elite mooks are (evil)Time Lords/Daleks/Cybermen/Gou'ald/Wraith/(evil)Asgard; The Island of the Ancients did in fact belong to the Ancients (why the hell do you think it was full of Subspace Bombs?!)
- Right, except for the fact that there not a single shred of evidence to support this anywhere in either game. Or maybe it's the fact that the first Super Smash Brothers game came out years before I Wanna Be The Guy was released, let alone conceived!
- Yes, it's true that SSB came out before I Wanna Be The Guy... but again, The Kid was doing it in preparation. By the time IWBTG is released, it's already time for The Kid to go out and be The Guy. So what was he doing before it was time? That's right. Preparing.
- The Kid is young Jak.
- No, no, The Kid is Mr. Mew.
Ian is Crazy Hand because in most videos (especially Food Battle 2008), he seems very angry and destructive, but not very smart.
When the Teleporting Fat Guy teleports with his Nintendo Power Glove, there is a flash of light that is almost the same color as Tabuu. Perhaps his Power Glove malfunctioned and trapped him in Subspace in a form made of hard blue light. Over the years, he could have grown angry at Nintendo for creating the Power Glove that trapped him there, so he decided he would trap all of Nintendo's characters and their world in Subspace.
- Jossed. Super Smash Bros. has genuinely funny moments.
Crazy Hand is definitely one unhinged character. His Evil Laugh instead comes off as Laughing Mad and his fingers twitch ad infinitum, unlike the more composed stance of Master Hand. Although many of his moves ramp up the crazy factor (to the point that he "spider walks" and has hand spasms that create seismic waves), Crazy Hand is more of a threat than Master Hand.
When Master Hand was captured by Tabuu, Crazy Hand went into hiding. Sensing that all of the heroes were trophified by Tabuu's Off Waves (and not knowing of the Dedede Brooches), Crazy Hand searched for any other possible heroes that could help turn the tides. The call was answered by Sonic, a free spirit who won't stand by when evil is afoot. Apparently, Wolf, Toon Link, and Jigglypuff couldn't be bothered, because the former two were out on an adventure and the latter was too busy practicing for a concert (that probably wouldn't even happen if Tabuu had his way). After pointing Sonic in the right direction (i.e. Subspace) and sending the Blue Blur on his way, Crazy Hand laid low again. After all, if Tabuu were to find him, he'd have control of both the forces of Order and Chaos. And well, that would suck. Luckily, Dedede's Gambit Roulette only served to bolster Crazy Hand's plan, as Sonic then teamed-up with the revived heroes and finally vanquished Tabuu, thus reuniting Crazy Hand with his brother.
Long story short, Obfuscating Insanity at its finest.
- I didn't even know that the puppits weren't ripped straight out of Twilight Princess when I saw them. And the location where they appear is suspiciously similar to the Sacred Grove, complete with dimension doors to parallel the time door.
Or maybe I'm just a sucker for romance in a fighting game. Go figure.
- Actually, that does make a lot of sense.
- ...but by Pokemon rules, it means the original Pikachu would have to have been female, and Jigglypuff male.
- Pikachu/Ditto anyone? I'm writing a fic to "celebrate" HGSS and Generation V. Consider this: Pikachu is top tier in SSB64, as well as second tier in Pokemon battles, but only when holding the Light Ball... which is needed to get a Pichu Volt Tackle. By breeding with a Ditto (or another Pikachu or Raichu) Pikachu could be Pichu's father.
- As a follow up to the above, Pikachu is based on Ash's Pikachu from the anime, which wasn't confirmed male until after Melee came out, but before Brawl. Therefore, Pikachu in SSB64/SSBM could have been female.
- Considering Pikachu's Final Smash is Volt Tackle, which only Pichu can get (through breeding), this makes a bit of sense.
- Except the Pichu in Melee is from second-gen. Volt Tackle didn't exist then.
The real reason Sonic is absent for so much of Subspace Emissary is because he was a very late addition to the game, stuck in when most of the story had already been completed and introducing him earlier would have necessitated throwing out a huge chunk of what was already present. However, based on events leading up to the final battle, it's pretty clear that someone or something needs to weaken Tabuu in some way to make it defeatable.
Master Hand features prominently in the storyline, even though you never get to fight it. Its corpse is clearly visible when the characters enter Tabuu's inner sanctum, so it seems like the writers originally intended it to play some role in the final battle. Furthermore, Master Hand is the only non-Tabuu antagonist whose name appears on-screen in a cutscene that doesn't team up with the heroes in the final battle. Rather suspicious.
There's also the fact that, well, even after being defeated by Tabuu, we can still see Master Hand's corpse. In all three games, when a player character defeats Master Hand, it sort of crumples up, withers, and fades away. This suggests that the corpse we see is still alive, but unconscious, perhaps because Tabuu still had some use for it.
Thus, it seems likely that the original script called for Master Hand to turn out to be Not Quite Dead, and use its lasers to cut Tabuu's wings, likely being incapacitated again by Tabuu at this point. When Sonic was added, the least disruptive way to stick him into the story was to cut Master Hand's final scene and let Sonic do it instead.
- This explains why Sonic can suddenly become a laser beam. They probably just let players assume that it was just Sonic at high speed; in reality, it could have been an attack from Master Hand, with Sonic noises edited in.
- Maser Hand's laser beams are continuous. If that was originally meant to be Sonic, it should have been a flash of blue, not on screen as long. Alternatively Geno; music of the maze where Geno is found was dummied off the disk and Geno also shoots blue lasers. It could have been both, even (two lasers were shot), but Square did not allow it, which led to Sonic getting shoehorned in.
This is an extension of the earlier theory about the Pichu in Melee evolving. Basically, the Pikachu was in his prime during the original SSB, but, being a rodent, ages fairly quickly, and was on his last legs in Melee, explaining the significant nerf. Sometime between Melee and Brawl, he finally passed away, and the producers decided to evolve the Pichu from Melee and hope nobody noticed. Unfortunately, that required a Trainer to bond with, per how Pichu evolves in the Pokémon games, and after evolving, the now-Pikachu didn't want to leave the nice Trainer. As a compromise, they made him a character in Brawl.
- That or the nice Trainer is Samus, which dovetails nicely into the storyline.
- Pikachu have lived for 50+ years in canon. That makes this theory rather unlikely.
- In the anime, not the games. Smash Bros is mainly game based
- Because they are table top the toys/trophies fight on modeled to look like a game world?
- What about Infernape? It can learn all those moves too.
- It's Captain FALCON. Blaziken is bird-like.
- ...you're shooting at the trophies and their pictures. Not the actual characters.
- Official artwork and in game data implies his starter was a Bulbasaur in Gen 1 and a Charmander as of Gen 2, though.
Team Rocket later stole a Snag Machine and captured both Pikachu.
- Maybe he doesn't have the running shoes yet. It was still Generation 1 after all in that time.
- It's clearly Ash.
When the heroes in the various worlds prove themselves popular enough, Master Hand, the embodiment of creativity, thus something that inspires the imagination enough would appeal to him, brings them to his world as reward. Justification: In the World of Trophies, most characters are pretty much immortal, they just get turned into trophies that can be revived in an instant by another character. The heroes can do as much good as they want and fight each other to prove themselves to one another, or just for fun, and they can go all out on the villains without a second thought because they can't kill them. Meanwhile, the villains can actually WIN and not pay for it, the heroes just get revived so they won't get bored from missing their rival, the world doesn't end ether, so that's nice. The non-Smasher bosses (other than the ones Tabuu made himself) are simply there to keep the Smashers entertained, and are brought back if killed. Master Hand is stated to wait for them to fight him, which is to test their power.
See above point. Master Hand creates challenges to keep the Smashers and himself entertained. He got bored with the existing villains so in the first game, he revived Bowser as Giga Bowser for something new. Then, when Giga Bowser got boring, he gave the power to normal Bowser and started on something new. He made Tabuu but made him too powerful, so Tabuu turned on him and decided to conquer Master Hand's domain for himself.
Before Sonic was confirmed, Snake was the only non-Nintendo character in Brawl, thus recieving glory and attention. When Sonic was confirmed, Snake was no longer the only non-Nintendo character, meaning Sonic took some (or more) of the limelight.
- It's actually a voice-actor in-joke. In Japanese, Snake is voiced by Ōtsuka Akio, who is the son of Ōtsuka Chikao, who provides the voice for Sonic's arch-nemesis, Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik.
If you take in mind that each game's Link is a different person and that the Smash Bros universe is a Crisis Crossover then it makes sense that Link encounters his younger self and Links from alternate realities created by the Ocarina of Time. But then, why aren't the Ocarina of Time versions of Link no longer present in Brawl? Well, Young Link set out in his quest to find his friend and ends up in Termina, which itself is an alternate universe to Hyrule which has counterparts of evry person of Link's universe. Ben is this universe's Link, manifesting itself as a statue when Link plays the Elegy of Emptiness, which reveals the true nature of his soul. There seems to be an alignment revearsal too, with the Dekus being, while not outwardly friendly, civvilized and lawful and the Happy Mask Man being rather creepy compared to his Hyrule counterpart and often speculated to be evil. So Termina's Link, Ben, is the complete opposite, instead of a warrior of light who brings salvation, Ben is a horrifying dimensional warper destined to ultimately destroy Termina.
Being bound to Link's soul the moment he entered Termina, Ben forces Link's unconcious to produce a temporal anomaly (known to us as the Fourth Day glitch) that would free himself from Link's soul and allow him to get Majora out of the way. After torturing Link, Ben removes Young Link from existance, which in effecr also destroy's Adult Link and his universe , for Young Link no longer exists to open the gates of The Temple Of Time and pull out the Master Sword. Master Hand got notice of the death of both Links and the possibility of Ben spreading across the Multiverse if he ever linked Termina to the Smash Bros Universe again, so he cut off Termina from Brawl and replaced the old Link with two Links from different timelines to prevent a time paradox from destroying another Universe. Master Hand also replaced the Zelda from the Destroyed universe but since Ganon had nobody to stop him in Young Link's universe (Which ended up in the Great Flood which gave birth to the Wind Waker timeline) and The Ganon from the future being sealed by the sages into another dimension, saving him from the Destruction of his Universe (to be later released back in Twilight Pribcess)), The Ganon we see in Brawl, is the same Ganon we see in Melee. That's right folks Ganondorf exploited Ben's actions to his advantage.
- But if that was so, wouldn't the smash balls have the subspace symbol instead of the smash symbol?
- Not if he's dead. What is the smash symbol anyway? The symbol of the non-subspace world? Maybe they were imprinted with it when he went blooey and bits of him fled through the recreated parts of the world.
- I'll like to see them throw in Ace Attorney, Ōkami and Monster Hunter. How do attorneys fight, anyway?
- Objection!
- Capcom did actually create a sort of crossover game that only included characters from Street Fighter, Darkstalkers and Red Earth, name of Capcom Fighting Evolution or Capcom Fighting Jam in other regions. It wasn't well recieved though.
- Metal Gear vs Gaogaigar? I would've bought that game.
- With Code Geass and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann announced as debuting in an upcoming Super Robot Wars Z game, one can only imagine what would ensue should Kirby inhale Simon or Lelouch.
- He become the spiral nemesis. OH SHI-
- Mario = Redmond Mann
- Sonic = Blutarch Mann
- Captain Falcon = Saxton Hale
- Tabuu = Zepheniah Mann
- Master Hand/Crazy Hand = Announcer
- Snake = Soldier
- Charizard = Pyro
- Ness = Scout
- R.O.B. = Engineer
- Ike = Heavy
- Wolf = Demoman
- Link = Sniper
- Lucario = Medic
- Meta Knight = Spy
- Except Roy is the only one who doesn't have an in-game trophy. And with the exception of Young Link (who is pretty much reincarnated in Toon Link anyway) and Pichu, they were all clearly intended to return but were scrapped due to time issues, according to unused game files.
- What do you mean, had their trophies smashed? As in they basically committed "suicide?" (Well, as well as a trophy can?) Please, if you mention Roy, neer suggest that again. I hope I'm wrong and misunderstanding you.
- Some of the marketing campaign poster's and merchandise had the words "the brawl to end them all". I do hope this doesn't happen, though.
- Jossed, as of E3 2011. The head honcho himself announced that there would be another Smash Bros. game for both the 3DS and the Wii (or was it the Wii U?).
- Like Robos, the charactes are mere inchs tall and controlled by unseen forces.
- Rumble? Skirmish? Smackdown? Fray? Bout? Clash? Fracas? Quarrel? Ruckus? Scuffle? Tussle? ..."Disagreement"?
- How about Smash Bros. Riot? When I first got Brawl I liked the idea.
- Super Smash Brothers Swoonnote
- Heheh. For a second, I thought…
- Smackdown and Rumble seem like good names, but chances are, the next smash brothers will probably just be called "Super Smash Bros 4"...otherwise, the fans will complain that they're running out of ideas.
- Super Smash Bros. Frenzy, maybe?
- I'm hoping for something like "Dairantou Smash Bros GX" for the Japanese name. "DX" and "X" are already used, and they used "GX" for FZERO once, so why not for the next Smash too? Heck, they can even bring it to Smash 4 for US! "Super Smash Bros GX"!
- Alternately, they'll take a cue from Left 4 Dead and name the game "Super Smash Bros. Free 4 All" instead of using the word "for." The story mode may also involve the characters, good and bad, organizing a revolution against an oppressive villain, created especially for the game.
- I think Smash Bros. Extreme would be cool.
- How about Super Smash Bros. Rampage?
- Jossed; it is simply called "Super Smash Bros. for 3DS and Wii U".
- Or it will be a different Pokémon Trainer...maybe Gold/Ethan, Brendan, Lucas, or Hilbert?
- Or Red will return, and be mute like he's supposed to be.
- Red isn't mute, he's just a Silent Protagonist.
- Jossed.
- The character of Colonel Campbell has been retired. Jossed.
- My money's on Kingdom Hearts.
- JOSSED.
- This would be for Nintendo's benefit since Brawl gave free advertisements to Nintendo's competitions as well as some low quality third party titles. With them out of the way their can be more future previews to stuff Nintendo will make profit on, such as when Melee had Production Foreshadowing for Cubivore, Animal Crossing and the Game Boy Advance Fire Emblem.
- Jossed. Mega Man is was revealed to be playable. Further Jossed with Sonic's return potentially meaning Snake could return as well.
- To elaborate further, PT started with Charmander, it's why Charizard is the only fully-evolved Pokemon. He then traded with friends/whoever to get a Bulbasaur and a Squirtle. He went and trained Bulbasaur to an Ivysaur, and then the SSE trouble started and Ivysaur and Charizard were stolen away before Ivysaur could evolve further.
- And it's why all he has is a measly Squirtle to start with. And then he teamed up with Lucas, and then getting his own Pokemon back would be piece of cake!
- So why do Charizard and Ivysaur fight PT? Obviously they are effected by the negative energy of Subspace and are acting irrationally (or if they escaped don't want to be with PT and are trying to chase him away). That, or Subspace made them like Shadow Pokemon where they need to be "stolen/recaptured" again to begin trusting their trainer again.
- ...this IS Wild Mass Guessing, and I get bugged by how people are saying PT is trying to catch Ivysaur and Charizard. But yeah, it's what I think. -shrugs-
- If my dreams come true, several of my video game characters will be in the next Super Smash Bros. Game. I've already been thinking of a good plot for the next SSB game's adventure mode.
- That could explain why he only has 3 Pokemon instead of a full team. The other 3 were lost and never found.
- This is actually the combination of three separate ideas I had:1. The Brawl roster will be reused for the next game.note2. The Melee exclusive fighters will return.note3. Highly demanded fighters will be used.note This is partily confirmed due to Mega Man being confirmed.
- And now we have four: There is talk from the creators about the possibility of downloadable content.
- Confirmed, though not in the same way.
- The motion sensor bomb was in the original to but they were not. Lupus would be the only character from that last game getting in anyway.
- Be offered as Downloadable Content (Confirmed)
- Have some exclusivity between Wii U and 3DS (Jossed)
- And be transferable between the two consoles. (Jossed, if Amiibos don't count)
- Stages and items (like Assist Trophies) are more likely. Sakurai of all people would know that making things as important as characters exclusive in some manner would seriously stagger the gameplay.
- The credits minigame will be on the controller as opposed to the big screen.
Super Smash Bros. is, at its most basic level, an elaborate advertisement for Nintendo games. Any character's inclusion (in this case Jiro) will generate interest in that character's game(s). It's in Nintendo's best interest to advertise this new IP as much as possible.
- Then why do Meta Knight and Dedede have ones?
- It would be interesting to see how characters from different worlds interact, but I don't know if they would actually do it.
- Little Link(Young Link) got an animation upgrade.
- Mewtwo is powerful enough to have made an illution and we just think he's Lucario.
- Or we were playing as a Ditto the whole time.
- Project M has now hacked Mewtwo into Brawl, along with Roy, so neither of them are truly gone.
- Also, he's back as DLC.
- Pichu, of course, evolved.
- Dr. Mario... is Mario. Duh.
- And last but not least, Roy is Ike. Yah, yah, I'm crazy. But I've always had a theory tha Roy was Marth's 'adopted' brother at least, and Ike would be Marth's twin... despite the canon not allowing that. But still. Same general move-set, same hair minus colour.... maybe it's that Roy knew he'd be kicked out so he took a make-over and got a new name. Or maybe this is one troper's failure to except her favorite character has been tossed aside like a broken toy.
- Project M has now hacked Roy into Brawl, along with Mewtwo, so neither of them are truly gone.
- Also, he's back as DLC.
- And now, Ultimate has all Melee veterans.
- Something to replace angel ring most likely. Possibly a new final smash and or a replacement to the beam sword.
- Confirmed. His moves include the use of the Guardian Orbiters and the Upperdash Arm.
Imagine this: A world, loaded with Nintendo characters, minor and major (minor ones becoming somewhat major due to the popularity of the game itself), dueling among themselves in a bid to see who's the best. Suddenly, disaster strikes, and most of this world is thrust into a darker dimension. The Big Bad defeats everyone in one blow. Then they get revived for Round 2, thanks to the work done by an unlikely ally]], and he tries his ridiculous attack again. A blue blur shatters the Big Bad's tools, preventing the attack, and reveals himself to be Sonic the Hedgehog. A foreigner to the world of Nintendo, and effectively becoming a Big Damn Hero with these actions, naturally, he would fit with the lyrics of the theme. It makes a lot of sense, if you think about it. Almost (from a loyal Sonic fan's point of view) brilliant!
- Jossed; it would have been cool though.
- Smash 64: This is the shakiest part of the theory, given his entrance and since The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was the only 3d game out when 64 was released, but if Pit, Marth, and Roy can do it, so can Link. However, his costumes feature blue, red, and white/lavender tunics, possibly representing the Blue and Red Mails, along with the Blue ring from the original. A Link to the Past gave Link much the same equipment (even the hookshot!) with a similar look, but NO BOW.
- Melee: Adult Link is undeniably The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Link this time, and the boomerang is a carry-over from Smash 64. However, something stands out about Young Link that keeps him from being OoT's child Link: he has the bow, which he cannot use in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. However, in Majora's Mask he gets not just the bow, but the Fire Arrows!
- Brawl: Following the split timeline introduced in Melee, the two Links come from Wind Waker and Twilight Princess.
- SSB4: The next game will probably feature the young Link from Spirit Tracks and the adult Link from Skyward Sword.
- Think about it. The Hands are two disembodied hands with white gloves. NiGHTS wears similar gloves, and doesn't appear to have wrists, his/her hands instead floating inches from his/her sleeves.
- To further support this theory, who shows up right at the very end to save everyone? None other than fellow Sega character, Sonic. NiGHTS must've reached out to him in a last-ditch effort to save everyone.
- Alucard soul stealing Melvin in The Cat Kingdom! Ryu and The King double teaming The Red Max in Hogwarts! Bugsy Malone facing off with Indiana Jones on the RLS Legacy! The Aristocats sending Phoenix Wright all the way to Timbuktu!
- Sorry, not gonna happen.
- Alucard soul stealing Melvin in The Cat Kingdom! Ryu and The King double teaming The Red Max in Hogwarts! Bugsy Malone facing off with Indiana Jones on the RLS Legacy! The Aristocats sending Phoenix Wright all the way to Timbuktu!
Furthermore, there could be more stages and characters who can Smash Taunt.
- 9-volt of Warioware will somehow make a appearance. Let's check the major fact of this game. There are classic characters everywhere. 9-volt makes classic Nintendo microgames. It seems like a easy idea. He will either take 1 of the following roles.
- He will be a fighter, obviously. If he is unlocked from the get-go or unlock-able is up to you.
- He is either a boss or the final boss, and he has a move set of everything from classic Nintendo Accessories to the Wii-mote and nunchuck combo!
- He is the head honcho of the game, and will be allured to in the ending to classic mode. When the credits roll, the screen shall zoom out to show 9-volt on the computer working on his latest project, a all star classic fighter game, made solely on classic video game characters. The screen will end with 9-volt booting up whatever game the character you had finish on was.
- Confirmed!
Big Daddy (Bioshock)
Cole MacGrath (InFamous)
Evil Cole MacGrath (InFamous)
Colonel Radec (Killzone)
Dante (DMC: Devil May Cry)
Fat Princess (Fat Princess)
Heihachi Mishima (Tekken)
Jak and Daxter (À la recherche du temps perdu by Marcel Proust. Also, Jak and Daxter)
Kratos (God of War)
Nariko (Heavenly Sword)
Nathan Drake (Uncharted)
PaRappa the Rapper (PaRappa the Rapper)
Raiden (Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance)
Ratchet and Clank (Ratchet and Clank)
Sackboy (Little Big Planet)
Sir Daniel Fortesque (MediEvil)
Sly Cooper (Sly Cooper)
Spike (Ape Escape)
Sweet Tooth (Twisted Metal)
Toro Inoue (Sony Japan's mascot. Originally featured in Doko Demo Issyo)
Notice that Raiden for Metal Gear Rising is on there, but not Solid Snake. Why is this? Well, it's simple really. Solid Snake is a permanent member of Super Smash Bros. The creators of Metal Gear Solid probably doesn't want to put Snake in what they see as a Rip-off, and Nintendo probably went into negotiations with Konami so that Solid Snake can only be in their fighting game, not anyone elses. So while there is representation for Sony's game from Metal Gear, Solid Snake will always reside within Super Smash Bros. No ifs, ands or buts.
- Word of God is that Snake wasn't added to Playstation All Stars because almost all the third party characters were included in that game to promote then-upcoming titles, so Raiden was used to represent Revengeance. More to the point, Kojima also didn't want to include both Raiden and Snake because he knew people would make them fight each other to see who's better, which is something Kojima has generally tried to avoid outside of parodies that poke fun at the idea.
But why is Master Hand, and by extension, Ganondorf, Bowser, and Wario, working for Tabuu? Tabuu warlock-kissed Master Hand, and then the brainwashed Master Hand controlled these three Nintendo villains to perform Tabuu’s dirty work. King Dedede turns out to be the Homura Akemi analogue of the SSBB universe, since he alone already knows about Tabuu’s dangerous whereabouts and powers long before any other character, and has also developed some techniques (the badges) to counteract the Warlock. Luckily for our video game heroes, no one has to contract with Kyuubey to become Puella/Puera magi in order to defeat Tabuu, since all the video game characters already come with their awesome, enemy-defeating abilities. If Homura Akemi can defeat Witches and familiars using mundane, non-magical weapons such as golf clubs and military-grade artillery, who’s to say Ness can’t use his baseball bat or Fox can’t use his laser gun to help defeat the Warlock Tabuu?
- Unfortunately, jossed.
- Unfortunately, jossed.
- In other words, the fighters in Super Smash Brothers For Wii U / 3DS are the real characters from the canon games, legitimately invited to take part in Smash Brothers. There's a scene at the beginning of the Villager's introduction trailer in which he receives a letter stamped with the Smash Brothers emblem, and runs off excitedly by the next cut. This is proof enough that, at the very least, the fighters aren't just magical trophies that come to life when you touch the base.
- Snake's introduction in Brawl had him being invited to join (via the Colonel), but the game itsaelf was still a Fake Crossover. It seems more likely that the Villager's intrpoduction was as much a part of the in-universe game as the kerfuffles themselves.
- Unfortunately, jossed.
- Few years late, but jossed.
- But most people aren't allowed at E3 anymore, right?
- Or he could just not talk. At all.
- Jossed. As of the U.S. demo, he doesn't talk.
When Tabuu Off-Waves everyone, canonically, no-one gets out other than Ness, Kirby, Dedede, Bowser and Luigi (and Sonic). Kirby is then the hope of the universe as he becomes "the new Mario", and leads his group through the Great Maze to defeat Tabuu and save the day. Afterwards, Ness lives out the rest of his life in his world, Sonic leaves in search of new adventures, Luigi and Bowser retire into seclusion (Bowser does this because with Peach gone, things aren't as fun) and Dedede becomes "the new Bowser" of Dream Land (only even less threatening) since Kirby's the new hero. However, as he dies, Tabuu uses the last of his Shadow Bugs to create a blue Kirby clone, who becomes the new Meta Knight. As a result of Subspace's end, Dream Land eventually becomes a brighter and jollier place.
- Mario - Dr. Mario◊, Striker Mario◊
- Yoshi - Boshi◊
- Bowser - Dry Bowser◊, Bowletta◊
- Peach - Daisy◊, Nurse Toadstool◊, Rosalina◊
- Pikachu - Spiky-eared Pichu◊, Raichu◊, Pachirisu◊
- Samus - Metroid Prime (Dark Samus)◊
- Mega Man - X◊, Bass◊, Protoman◊
- Olimar - Louie◊, Alph◊
- Luigi - Mr. L◊
- Fox - StarFoxAssault Fox◊
- Link - CDI Link◊
- Falco? Ganondorf?
- The first game was relatively simple; we only see the first stages of the story, but we do see some signs. Master Hand, behind the scenes, was experimenting with a miniature world.
- The toys in this game are prototypes of the trophy fighters we see later, and they were brought to life by the Shadow Bugs, which we know are a primordial substance extracted from the Game & Watch race. (That's also why Mr. Game & Watch isn't in 64; he was too busy being experimented on.)
- Later on, we see the Fighting Polygon Team; failed prototypes that were created before the toys, being of a very crude shape and keeping the color of the shadow bugs that made them. It's also possible that they became self-replicating, the shadow bugs reading off of each other and endlessly generating new polygons.
- The Metal Mario we see in this game is a more advanced one; possibly a Polygon Mario that absorbed more of the shadow bugs and took a more solid, more powerful form.
- Even the stages reek of deterioration; Battlefield appears to be off the side of a cliff, fading into purple. Coincidence? Then, the metal cave; that wouldn't happen naturally. The Metal Mario battle takes place in an environment that had absorbed the shadows and hardened as much as Metal Mario himself. Finally, Final Destination, which is floating right in the middle of Subspace; hell, we even see the clouds of shadow bugs drifting down in the middle of the battle!
- In Melee, the experiments have succeeded. The trophy fighters have been finalized and put to the test. As the experimentation is finished, the Game & Watch race is allowed to join the others in the fray, and all of the ones used to create the trophies are fought at once at the end of All-Star mode.
- At the same time, however, the polygons have evolved into a more humanoid organized form; the wireframes. Even Metal Mario has reproduced into the other 25 metal characters.
- Battlefield has collapsed into Subspace like Final Destination. The stone relics that made up the original stage have crystallized and mutated into the metal, energy-filled form we're familiar with.
- Along with the evolution of the Polygons and the Metals, the first Shadow Clones have begun to take form; the Bowser at the end of Adventure Mode, which is large and unstable, even mutating into the horrible Giga Bowser upon being broken.
- Brawl sees the culmination of everything.
- Final Destination is still lost, but Battlefield's destruction has settled; it appears to be a distant memory, the cliff having been blown away and the entire area grown over. The unchanged form in Wii U/3DS supports this; it's gone through all of the changes it had to face.
- The wireframes have evolved further into the Alloys, gaining the metallic shells of their counterparts in the metals along with boosted abilities.
- A further evolved wireframe is Tabuu, who had become giant and gained the powers of the shadows. This is what allowed him to take action and set the Subspace Emissary storyline into effect.
- I've always thought this since I first played Melee, if one looks, the two stages are very similar. My theory is that the Battlefield platforms can merge into the floor, expanding it into Final Destination. I always imagined this transition between the two stages during Classic and Adventure mode.
- Bless our hearts, we keep hoping...
It's been in two platformers for the 3DS, the system's Kart game, the tail appeared in Paper Mario: Sticker Star, and it has been 3D World. Nintendo seems to like giving this powerup comebacks lately. Maybe an equippable badge that slows falling speed, like the "Flying" version of Pokemon Stadium 2?
- Confirmed.
- Think about it, in the trailer if he performs enough punches to fill up his meter, he could KO anyone. Unless he doesn't manage to knock Bowser offscreen when the latter's at 0%, he could be overpowered.
- The one we saw at the beginning is the new Final Destination. The Punch-out!! stage was shown to have walk-off ledges. The Initial Boxing Ring appears to have traditional Ring-Out gaps.
- It's possible it may have been the Final Destination variant of the Boxing Ring: the April 8 Nintendo Direct video did confirm each stage would have one.
- While the Super Smash Bros. series has changed some characters' designs considerably in the past, it usually only happens to characters that haven't had a new game for a long time, like Pit. Zero Suit Samus, however, has had a consistent design in the Metroid series for quite a while now, yet her design in this game is very different, even if you ignore her new rocket heels. What's more, since the series runs on Rule of Fun, it seems unusual that Sakurai would add justifications for Samus's new abilities unless they tied into something else.
- In true Sakurai fashion, he'll reveal that the game has two Ridleys. One will be Ridley as he appeared in Metroid: Other M, serving as the boss on the Pyrosphere. The other will be a playable character, being Ridley as he appeared in a different game like Meta Ridley from Metroid Prime. This is justified because the Ridley from Other M is actually a clone of the original Ridley, so it's perfectly possible to have two different Ridleys.
- Alternatively, Other M!Ridley will be both playable and a boss, but when Ridley is on the Pyrosphere as a playable character, we get in his place...Robot Ridley. It would be similar as to how Toon Link can be both a stage element and a playable character regarding the Spirit Tracks stage, with Alfonzo replacing him whenever he's on stage.
- Even after being beaten in that game, when he gets a Final Smash, it activates the residual power of the Dream Stone shards still inside him.
- Jossed. It's Giga Bowser.
- Alternately, Bowser's buffs in 3DS/U are caused by the residual energy of the Dream Stone; although Bowser lost his reality-warping powers after Mario and Luigi defeated him, he still retained some of the power and speed the Dream Stone granted him.
- Alternately, Bowser's buffs are a result from all the Level Grinding he did in Bowser's Inside Story (with some help from the Bros., too, though he'll never admit it).
- Wario in Brawl had twelve palette swaps, six for WarioWare clothing, six for Wario's World clothing. When Greninja was revealed, one of it's images had the MALE Wii Fit Trainer in it. It's not unreasonable.
- Wii U: Off-TV Play, because hey, why not?
- 3DS: The option to have either the camera focus on all 4 fighters, or just the 3DS owner.
- Jossed.
- ...and then confirmed on E3 2018. Snake will come back in Ultimate.
- (OP) Actually, a possibility is that Charizard and Mewtwo have their Origins portrayals while all other Pokémon portrayals based on the main anime. It wouldn't hurt for the developers to add a third version of canon to the mix.
- Supported by Palutena's trailer, in which Pit and Palutena talk about her fighting in the game. Viridi is heard too, making it possible that we may hear from other characters such as Hades, Medusa, and Viridi.
- Laura Bailey is already returning as Lucina, so she's out as Marth's VA.
- Surprisingly jossed since he still speaks Japanese in this game.
- ...And then confirmed for Ultimate.
- Jossed - she just turns golden like all the other fighters in the game.
I'm calling it if it's right. Josh, you better have that cookie ready.
- You beat me to it at the Impa part (this might explain why her expressions are way too different this time around)! Also, the standalone Zelda is actually Toon Zelda in disguise, explaining her sudden ability to summon Phantoms. It was all a plan by the real Zelda/Sheik to make them playable in her place.
- Alternatively, the playable Zelda is the princess from Twilight Princess, while Sheik is the princess from Ocarina of Time.
It will explain the "Story" of the game, make a few team ups, and tell us about the Master Core, among other things. Sakurai said the cut scenes were a "reward" and we don't have a "Story Mode" because people posted the cut scenes on the internet. He said nothing about having them unlocked at the start.
Also, in the credits of the 3DS Version, there is a section that says "Movie". What could they be talking about?
- Unlikely - if anything, they'd make the Final Smashes the same since Sakurai wants the experience between the two games to be similar.
- Jossed, I've found out it'll be late March/early April.
- They look too similar, which makes it doubtful. The only significant thing that would be different is voice.
- Jossed: Same order as in 3DS, although you do get to fight an additional form after Master Shadow at high enough difficulties.
- Jossed: Every character in the game aside from DLC characters like Mewtwo were planned from the start. Even Greninja (in spite of the fact that he was virtually unknown to the world at the time). Lucina, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario were originally designed to be alternate costumes for Marth, Pit and Mario, respectively, until Sakurai ruled that they should be separate characters due to them playing differently than usual.
- Jossed: Word of God stated that plans for 8 Player Smash existed since Melee. The only reason why it's introduced in Wii U instead of 3DS, Brawl or Melee is because of hardware limitations.
- Wasn't the Boss Battle sound used for the boss fights in Smash Tour?
- Semi-Jossed: The sound clip was used in Smash Tour to denounce a match against a stage boss. That's the only time outside of event matches where the goal of the round is to defeat the stage boss.
- Jossed. Both him and the Duck Hunt team coexist, as of Ultimate.
- Mii Flyer. Multiple midair jumps (like the puffball and winged characters), most specials can be used for recovery. May include things like shout outs to Balloon Fighter (like Villagers Up-B) or Hang Gliders and other things that Mii's use.
- Mii Mage. Long-Range Fighter like the gunner but magic based with even more versatilty. Takes cues from Robin, Ness, Zelda, Palutena movesets.
- Mii Pitcher. Focuses on producing held items (like Link's bombs, Peach's veggies), other physical projectiles, and special throws (flame choke, flying slam, swallow etc).
- Mii Defender. They have shields that grant great defenses, but not that great attack and speed. Special will focus on special shields (reflectors, absorbers, stone) and counters.
- Whipper Miis who fight with a whip. They're fast, strong and have range, but don't have much defense.
- Hammer Miis who have massive hammers. Incredibly strong and tough, but not fast.
- Claw Miis, who have long claws on their hands. They're very fast, but don't have much attack. They also don't have much range.
- Bomber Miis who can produce explosives. They're hard to use at first, but can be highly effective later on.
- Drill or Spear Miis who fight with a drill or spear. Their attacks can get rid of defenses quickly.
- Morgan is Robin's child. Wouldn't Palutena x Robin actually be the only way Morgan could inherit anything from Palutena?
- Palutena: I have no data on this fighter!
- Or more likely Greninja has Protean, and since it doesn't use any dark type moves in smash, is always a type that takes neutral from psychic moves, as for when Mewtwo hits Greninja first, Greninja is shown making a little bit of water in it's stage entry, so it always starts a match as pure water.
As of the time of writing (6/18/2015), we already have four of the supposed six characters, and it's not even halfway through the Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot's timeframe. In fact the Ballot wasn't even mentioned in the Direct, and there almost certainly wasn't a lot of support for Ryunote , heavily implying that all four of these characters were going to be made as DLC from the beginning. Ryu himself opens a can of worms, his third-party presence and highly nonstandard playstyle in Smash suddenly making a lot of other oddball characters seem a lot more likely. And as for Sakurai's statement that "we probably won't be able to make many"... it's Sakurai, the man is known for trolling his fanbase and backtracking on previous statements.
With the above in mind, I present the theory that we will be getting two more DLC characters to tide us over until the Ballot closes, and we'll be getting a handful more characters based on the Ballot results. There is simply too much time and too many potential candidates for the DLC roster to be limited to a hard six. Though this begs the question... who could the remaining two pre-planned characters be?
- A recent interview with Sakurai lends credence to the theory. He confirmed that Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy and Ryu were going to be DLC before the ballot even started and has demonstrated several times that he has a good grasp on the big names that the fans really want (well, Ryu was out of left field, but it was still a very welcome surprise). He also said he's really working the fanservice angle and didn't say those four were the only pre-ballot DLC characters, so there's a high chance we could see something new before the ballot ends.
- With his recent streak, I can't wait to see what happens next regardless. For all we know, we might just see all the lost characters return before the ballot is through. Well, maybe not Snake.......but I could definitely see a returning Wolf or Young Link (Majora Masked).
- It took its sweet time being revealed after the ballot ended, but: Confirmed! Cloud and Corrin were pre-ballot characters #5 and #6, followed by Bayonetta as the ballot winner.
Perhaps DLC would help avoid the concern of people Youtubing the disc space heavy cutscenes by avoiding taking up disk space?
As to the plot and story, I can see it be a multi staged plot.
Stage 1 represents the NES era. It can begin with Mario and a few other early Nintendo characters landing in a desolate new world, representing the post Crash gaming market. The NES era would focus on colonizing it, sort of speak, recruiting local groups that represent 3rd parties and building a Capital City.
Stage 2 would be the SNES era. It would be dominated by a war with a newly emerged rival empire, one based on Sega, led by Sega's IP's. Maybe also feature smaller empires based on Hudson/=NEC= and SNK? Perhaps even Atari as a Vestigial Empire?
Stage 3 would be based on the 64 era. The 3rd parties, that had become divided between the Nintendo and Sega landscape, would be highly enticed to join a new foe, the Playstation empire, with a variety of different foes to it inspired by classic PS Ip's like FF, Crash, and Jak and Daxter.
Stage 4 would be the Gamecube era, where more 3rd parties vanish, Sega dissolves as an empire, and the X-Box empire arrives, with Halo and other shooter inspired mooks.
Stage 5 would be the Wii era, with even fewer 3rd parties but overall an era of prosperity.
Stage 6 would be the Wii U era, with virtually no 3rd parties and a full out war that begun in the Wii era coming to a climax.
Stage 7, the Switch era, will be a Cosmic Horror Story and/or Zombie Apocalypse with a new faction or two based around Mobile gaming and/or soulless companies like Activision, with them bringing back third parties as zombies that players have to purify to their original selves.
Character use would be limited by Era. For example, Mario could be used in any era, while Pikachu could only be used after the Sega war. Pit could be usable in the NES era, but be unplayable until his return in the Wii era. Sonic would not be playable until at least the Wii era where you start seeing more and more Sonic Games in Nintendo platforms alone. Characters in the 3rd party bus, like Megaman and Ryu, would be a bit trickier to place as friend or foe.
The DLC would also come with characters: with new characters unlocked and playable during their eras. For example, you would unlock Banjo in the 64 Era, Bayonetta in the Wii U era, and Sceptile in the Gamecube era.
Maybe for the 3rd-Parties, conquering their empire would unlock them, such as Mai Shiranui?
I think it might be fun, and certainly worth it as DLC.
- People are holding out for Master Cheif, to have an "Xbox Rep" the same way Cloud is seen as a Playstation rep. He fits the gunner mold also.
- Welp, I was correct! The Smash Ballot Winner is Bayonetta! A 3rd party character (developed by Platinum Games and Published by Sega) and a gun-wielder!
- Jossed unfortunately. She has the same generic DLC character conversation, which is kind of a shame.
How so you ask? Simple notice how in the 1st two Smash games for the N64 and GC the VA cast was fully credited while the latter two just simply had a block of names? Simple the voice acting in the first two games was mostly done in Japan but a little bit in Seattle. But the latter two games use Voice Talent from multiple regions as the Smash Bros series tries to make sure all the characters are voiced by their current voice talent as much as possible. So in other words the latter two Smash Bros games uses voice talent from Multiple regions such as California, Seattle, Japan, New York and England. Oh sure a fairly good portion of the characters (both playable and Assist Trophies) may use stock footage audio clips but the point still stands here. Anyways while Nintendo could use clips from actors from Multiple regions as brief clips but getting actors from multiple studios to do a full amount of voice acting in one Story Mode? Sure it may sound awesome on paper but it would be very complicated and costly. This is why however despite this the latter two Smash Bros games do have a good amount of voice acting but only during the hidden help sequences in Training mode namely Snake's Codec in Brawl and Palutena's Guidance in Smash 4 (and to a lesser extent the Star Fox segments). This way Nintendo only needs to use one studio and a few voice actors to do some short skits (California for Snake's Codec and Palutena's Guidance and Seattle for the Star Fox crew).
Granted Nintendo along with Bandai Namco COULD still be able to make a fully-voiced story mode for the next Smash Bros. But in order to do this they most likely would end up using only one (maybe two) region and studio in which a good portion of the characters will most likely be given different VA's for this story mode. So in other words a fully-voiced Story mode for Smash Bros. would be using The Other Darrin a lot But still like I said they would most likely use one (maybe two) regions for the Voice Talent, most likely California (though Texas and/or Vancouver are possibilities). Granted one could point how the Smash Bros games are not entirely against hiring replacement voice actors as aside from both Pits and Viridi the Kid Icarus Uprising characters in Smash 4 were voiced by different people. But still to make a long story short for those who want a fully voiced Story Mode in a Smash Bros game it could happen but a good portion of the characters would most likely sound different.
- Half yes, half no. Ridley is playable, but he just roars, as per canon.
- It was Arceus who came up with the idea of Smash, as he wanted the heroes to get to know each other. Master Hand was on board with it, and ended up running the thing. They collaborate on the Tournament every three years.
- (For Smash 4, Arceus wanted to participate, but he didn't want to shake up the Status Quo or unbalance the tournament. So he lurks in some of the Master Balls.)
- Luigi: Waluigi
- Pikachu: Meowth
- Pokemon Trainer: Giovanni, using Persian, Nidoqueen, and Honchkrow. For a final smash, he can have some grunts unleash dozens of Zubats.
- Charizard: Incineroar
- Link: Ghirahim
- Kirby: Metal Sonic
- Palutena: Hades, or Medusa, maybe both.
- Mega Man: Bass
- Cloud: Sephiroth
- Mario: Mario. He was the bad guy in Donkey Kong Jr. He can be a late-game unlockable.
- Adding onto this, it's probable that Wolf's secret door was never visited. It's also possible that the other dimension Lucas came out of (as implied with Palutena's Guidance) is Subspace, explaining why these 4 brawl characters never appeared in game.
- Jossed by Palutena's Guidance in Ultimate. Pit says he never expected to fight Snake "again" (meaning he had to have met him in Brawl), and he thought the Ice Climbers were banned for illegal teaming (which is actually pretty close to the truth — they were dropped due to technical difficulties getting their teaming to work on the 3DS).
Master Hand remains somewhat corrupted by Tabuu, either through Shadow Bugs or some superior form that Tabuu can generate. This corruption reaches all the way down to Master Hand's core. Master Hand might behave as usual for a while, but place him under enough stress, and all that corruption comes pouring out. This could be Tabuu trying to form a body it can use in the World of Trophies, or maybe it's just a lasting imprint of Tabuu's malice—something without a true will, only seeking destruction.
If we're building off the "Master Hand represents a child's creativity, Tabuu the adult interfering" theory... maybe this represents that child growing older and having the new burden of adult responsibilities "corrupt" how they now play with their toys?
- Unlike Subspace Emissary this will be an actual crossover where the characters meet up because of something allowing the worlds they live in to interact with one another.
- Said something will be the Master Core, who will turn out to be a case of Dark Is Not Evil while acting as a Big Good for the story. It will turn out that he is responsible for the Smash Bros. tournament to begin with by holding it every few years with the characters always looking forward to the next one.
- The story will start out with a dialogue about how amazing and wondrous the worlds and characters that will be seen are and end with ominous dialogue along the lines of "Where the greatest light shines, the darkest shadows are cast."
- After the dialogue it will show Master Core starting the next tournament with gorgeous visuals showing all of the worlds and characters that are involved.
- The very first fight of the tournament will be Mario vs Bowser. After a typical match where Mario wins things start going wrong when Bowser turns into a Sore Loser and attacks Mario after his defeat while summoning his army.
- Master Core is incensed by Bowser's conduct and tries to intervene only for the villain of the story to show up. Said villain will be a humanoid figure like Tabuu but diametrically opposite. Where Tabuu represented the hindering and outright prevention of creativity, the new villain represents the dangers of untempered innovation. For aesthetic purposes their color scheme is dark red or dark purple.
- The new villain will be a mix of Looney Fan, Mad Artist, and It Amused Me who's doing what their doing because of an obsession with stories and think that Master Core is squandering his potential by just holding a friendly tournament every so often.
- The villain defeats Master Core and binds him in chains of darkness, calling back to Tabuu's chains of light, and declares his intention to Take Over the World with all of the worlds that Master Core has reached out to while revealing his alliance with other villains.
- Mario tries to help Master Core and after a brief fight manages to land a fireball right to the face, only for the villain to No-Sell the attack and trap Mario in dark crystal to make him a trophy.
- Master Core uses the last of his power to create a fragment of it's very essence to save Mario by spiriting him away and freeing him from trophy form.
- There will be full voice acting for the cast and usual silent protagonist's will remain as such or also be fully voiced. Mario especially will fall under this as either he won't be voiced or Nintendo will have him fully voiced in order to ease audiences into it for his upcoming movie.
- Since the trailer revealed the fact that Link will have the Breath of the Wild look, one of the probable changes to his character might be an "equipment durability" mechanic. It would be similar to Robin's except that where Robin always loses a durability point regardless of whether or not he/she hits something, Link's equipment will only lose a durability point if he scores a hit on an object or opponent.
- And if this were to be the case, then the last hit before a weapon becomes broken will always inflict bonus damage and Link will then have to wait 10-15 seconds before he automatically gets a new one. So if Link's sword breaks, then he becomes unable to use the A Button. And if Link's bow breaks, then he becomes unable to use the Neutral B Special Attack.
- Another probable and major change is that Link might be given a "weapon switching" mechanic which would result in his regular and aerial moveset being changed accordingly. So instead of using the traditional Sword-and-Shield combination, Link can switch to a two-handed Greatsword (Strong damage and knockback but slow frame data) or a Spear (Long reach, fast frame data, but weak damage and knockback).
- Jossed. It's the same as Smash 4's, albeit with a different slash animation.
- Zelda will more than likely also be her BOTW design so they match. It calls into question whether Sheik would be updated to a BOTW-esque design (inspired by the Sheikah Armor set, or the robes the NPCs wear in Kakariko). And if Ganondorf might get an original design, or unesed concept art design which is what gave us "Twilight Princess" Sheik.
- Zigzagged for Zelda, described as being more of a scholar BOTW Zelda won't be appearing, so instead Zelda is designed after her look in The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds.
- Another character who could be redesigned for the Switch game could be the Villager from Animal Crossing. Currently, they're represented by looking like their Wild World/City Folk appearances (with "stubby" proportions). The new versions of these characters could end up looking more like their New Leaf versions, as many spin-off games like Mario Kart 8, Happy Home Designer and Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp all use the New Leaf design. This may also mean some gameplay changes (though not as drastic as Link's, just changing their hitboxes to account for their new proportions).
- Depending on how far along development on Metroid Prime 4 is, Samus and Zero suit could be updated to those deisgns instead of Other M. Or even Samus Returns on 3DS designs.
- The Star Fox cast could be changed from their Smash unique designs, to their Star Fox Zero look.
- Confirmed
- Dark Bowser and/or Dry Bowser to Bowser
- Funky Kong for Donkey Kong
- Sylux or Dark Samus for Samus
- Dark Samus confirmed as of 8/8/2018.
- Galacta Knight for Meta Knight
- This one is likely Jossed. The official website heavily implies Galacta Knight will be an Alternate Costume for Meta Knight.
- Sword Lords for Marth/Lucina - Eirika, Celica, Eliwood etc.
- Sword Lords for Roy - Alm, Leif etc.
- Sword Lords and Mercenaries for Ike - Chrom, Any "Ogma" etc.
- Confirmed and subverted. Chrom is primarily a Roy Echo, but with a variant of Ike's Up-Special.
- Any Pikmin Captain besides Alph for Olimar
- Shadow for Sonic. They've apparently replaced his Assist Trophy with Knuckles for some reason.
- Ms Pacman for Pacman
- Ken for Ryu. Ken is the ur-example of a Moveset Clone and are the premier examples of Shotoclones.
- Jeanne or Rosa for Bayonetta
- Octoling for Inkling
- Blood Falcon for Captain Falcon. Since Ganondorf is too derived to be considered a clone character, It would make sense to have an actual clone of Captain Falcon to be included.
- Adding to my own post here, Octo Expansion features Agent 3 actually squidbagging you during their boss battle if you die, so it's even more possible now.
- What's more likely to happen is that the series will continue without Sakurai's involvement. Much like a number of other IPs, its too profitable for the parent company to just end, even if its creator feels like the series ran its course. the Kirby series is in a similar position. Sakurai no longer works on it, but Nintendo still makes new games for it.
And with enough misfortune, the player could possibly end up in an even worse scenario. Fighting both at once.
Of course, that means the one for Robin would need a ground-up makeover for Ultimate...
- Jossed. Viridi simply remarks that he finally made it and the rest of the conversation revolves around the Falchion, with him not speaking during it.
- Jossed. Every single fighter for the game was revealed prior to release, and it was also revealed that the grand majority of the game's roster would be unlocks.
The title will be "Assist Wars" or something similar, referencing their ability to help the fighters in multiple forms even if they're not playable themselves. It would even draw on the franchise's Kirby ties, as it would be a Smash rendition of the Helper to Hero mode in Kirby Super Star Ultra.
- Which raises the question...why doesn't Pit know this? Because his malady has given him a mortal perspective which influences Palutena greatly. Thus she prefers to keep him innocent from less human-friendly perspectives.
Tabuu’s design would definitely fit the definition of a "being of light", given his luminescent appearance, but that’s far from where the parallels end. Tabuu and Master Core also happen to share many different abilities, such as the ability to change their size and shape, as well as the infamous Off Waves ability that has the potential to instantly KO foes. In addition, Tabuu’s chest contains a round object◊ that resembles the Master Core, aside from a flatter form.
If Tabuu was in fact the "Crazy Core", this would explain why Crazy Hand is completely absent during the events of the Subspace Emissary, as well as explaining why Brawl placed his trophy in the "Subspace Emissary" category despite said absence.