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openWhich section? Literature
I'm working on a page on TLP, and someone posted the following example:
- In the nonfiction book The Other Wes Moore, author Wes Moore describes how despite growing up in a tough Baltimore neighborhood and having a difficult childhood he eventually became a Rhodes scholar and successful businessman. When he was in his twenties he learned of another man named Wes Moore who had grown up blocks from him. That Wes Moore grew up to become a criminal and was serving a life sentence for murder. The book examines how the two started from the same place and ended up so different.
While it's overall very well constructed and I consider it legit, the fact remains it's a nonfiction book. Does it go in the Literature section or the real life section?
openAuto erotica troping Literature
We're not allowed to add ymmv tropes to our own works right ?
As ElfenLiedFan90 added an Evil Is Sexy entry to the ymmv page of Dresden's Haunted Forest. Despite being the author.
As you can see here
open spoiler tag question Literature
Are the spoiler tags on Adventures of Huckleberry Finn really necessary? It is a one hundred and thirty-five year old book, surely it must be spoilers off?
openDisambiguation of work names Literature
I've drafted a page for Isaac Asimov's "The General", part of his Foundation series. However, there's already a page called The General, a series by David Drake and S. M. Stirling.
Year would be a poor method of disambiguation, but Dr Asimov's story was originally published as "Dead Hand". Would it be acceptable to violate the "most recent name" rule to make it easier to disambiguate between the two work pages? If not, should I disambiguate by formats (Novella vs series)? Should I use different terms to disambiguate (Asimov vs Series)?
UPDATE: I'll be launching "The General" within a week. Edited by crazysamaritan
open Please ignore. Literature
Please ignore. I posted this the wrong place. As my apology, let me deliver a book recommendation: Bone by Jeff Smith. A wonderful comic for all ages.
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenConversation in the Page Literature
Jane Eyre has a massive entries-long discussion under Values Dissonance complete with use of the first person. However a lot of the points they bring up about the historical context for it are valid and interesting to note despite clearly violating page etiquette. It's clear that it needs to be completely rewritten. How should we go about doing so?
openPage with no existing work Literature
While clicking the Random Media button, I came across the page for Linda. The page has four examples on it, and the description of the work claims that it's a short story hosted on a Google Document. Clicking on the provided link shows that the Document was deleted at some point, and I can't find any other copy of it online. There's no linked account for the author, the history for the page doesn't show who made it in the first place, and only five tropers (including myself at one point last year, to my surprise) have edited the page over the past 8 years.
I would like to ask what's the best course of action for a page like this. Do you cut the whole page, or do you toss it into the Unpublished Works section?
Courtesy link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.Linda
openSimilarlyNamedWorks Literature
I have been working on drafting new pages for Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, and I came across Similarly Named Works in the form of the Razorland Trilogy. A 2012 Short Story within that series was named "Foundation", which overlaps with Dr Asimov's 1942 Short Story, 1951 Novel, and title for the series, which has a live-action adaptation in Development Hell.
I would appreciate feedback on what I should do to future-proof the pages, preventing the need to move the articles to a new page when a fan of Razorland decides to expand the article for their series.
- Isaac Asimov:
- "The Encyclopedists" (with "Foundation (1942)" as a redirect)
- Foundation (1951)
- For the literature franchise; Foundation (Series) or Foundation (Asimov)? Disambiguation by year tends to not work well for series because there's ten books and most weren't originally released within the same decade.
- Ann Aguirre:
- As a redirect to Razorland Trilogy, should it be "Foundation (2012)", "Foundation (Aguirre)", or "Foundation (YA)"?
open Horrible lit Literature
I am trying to find a niche that enjoys reading horrible short stories... they are "family friendly", in that I don't use "shock" as a means to make it horrible. I enjoy making the dialogue bad, the plot inconsistent, mis-numbered chapter titles, inconsistent fonts, and use other literary no-nos to make it cringe-worthy.
The pseudonym I use on Amazon is Arsidious the Great Writer. Arsidious is a play off of darth sidious and Absurd.
just thought I would ask...
Edited by zarqnonopenWhen is a Shakespeare quote a ShoutOut? Literature
Lots of Shakespeare's lines are so famous that they constantly get repeated in pop culture. For instance the expression of "wear my heart upon my sleeve" comes from Othello to begin with.
But there's the rub—what counts as a Shout-Out? For instance, the "heart upon sleeve"-thing is just a common expression now, and most people who use it probably don't know that it comes from Othello. The same goes for the phrase "gilding the lily," a misquote from King John.
How do we determine when it's an actual Shout-Out?
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenIs Harry Potter an everyman? Literature
Can Harry Potter be considered The Everyman in his series? Wikipedia defines everyman as "an ordinary individual with whom the audience or reader is supposed to be able to identify easily and who is often placed in extraordinary circumstances. The everyman character is constructed so that the audience can imagine themselves in the same situation without having to possess knowledge, skills, or abilities that transcend human potential. Such characters react realistically in situations that are often taken for granted with traditional heroes."
Harry, being the main character of the story, experiences much of the Wizarding World for the first time and ends up asking the questions we ourselves would ask if we found ourselves in those same situations, like the basic principles and general understandings of magic, the history of Hogwarts, the threat of Voldemort or the problems of wizarding society.
What do you think?
openHelp Literature
You know how novels like A Murder is Announced have their own pages, right?
I want to make pages for other novels that aren't on here, but I don't know how.
openStory of Evil to Daughter of Evil? Literature
Due to the fact that the creator of the Evillious Chronicles has made a new Light Novel series called the "Story of Evil" separate from Evillious, I was hoping to change the "Story of Evil" Evillious character page to "Daughter of Evil" to avoid potential confusion, and because "Story of Evil" is a fan term while "Daughter of Evil" is the official name of the Light Novel series the characters come from.
There was a new page made for it and most of the other character pages linked to that, but it was (understandably) removed as being a duplicate. Can the Evillious Chronicles Daughter Of Evil page here be restored and the Evillious Chronicles Story Of Evil page here be deleted instead?
openApplicability of SurpriseIncest Literature
In a novel I am reading, two characters are lovers. The readers know that they have the same biological father, but the characters don't.
Does the trope Surprise Incest apply? Or will it only apply when the characters find out?
Edited by AzureOwlopenIn Dubious Battle Literature
So I came across In Dubious Battle. It was created in 2012, is indexed, but only has one trope. The last edit - made last year - added an image but that's it.
Anyone familiar with this novel that can beef up the page?
openDesignated Heroes in fantasy books Literature
I must contest the use of Designated Hero in The Chronicles of Narnia and Harry Potter.
The main Designated Hero page says Aslan qualifies for the trope because:
- In The Magician's Nephew he grants all the animals the ability to speak, but he makes it so that if they continue to behave like natural animals, they will lose that gift. He also decrees that non-speaking animals will be the lowest class in the Narnian hierarchy, while humans will rule over everyone else. In hindsight he is making it so that animals who chose to follow their instincts and nature are the lowest of the low, while humans, who in reality don't have the best track record for living with natural things they can't control, get to rule all. Additionally, the morality of Narnia could be summed up like this: you're either with Aslan and you're "good", or you're with someone else or independent and you're evil.
- In The Horse and His Boy, he wounds Princess Aravis in the back because her handmaiden had helped Aravis escape her arranged marriage and was punished for it. Aslan intended that Aravis know the handmaiden's suffering, even though she didn't really deserve it and had gone through enough hell already.
- In Prince Caspian it's implied he turned a group of fat boys into pigs for no reason than that they were fat.
- In The Last Battle he does something that every other designated hero ever written would call him on, he outright destroys Narnia.
Since C. S. Lewis was a devoted Christian and Aslan was meant to be a fantastic version of Jesus Christ, I think this has more to do with religious differences than anything else.
As for Harry Potter, the YMMV page says that Harry and Hermione qualify for the trope because:
- Hermione is often accused of being this, as she usually painted as being in the right whenever she does something morally questionable, like jinxing the D.A. sign-up sheet to permanently disfigure traitors, knowingly leaving Umbridge with the centaurs so that they could do something traumatizing to her, and abusing Ron whether he deserved it or not.
- Harry Potter through the course of his adventures, despite the great demands of fighting a Dark Wizard, never stops slacking off his studies, breaks countless school rules, displays poor sportsmanship and rarely considering the interests of his team or how it could affect them and their standing when he goes off on his own, and in Book 6, via the Potions book, indulges in what is more or less academic plagiarism. Likewise, while painted as an All-Loving Hero he is shown using two of the Unforgivable Curses (Imperio and Crucio) without any reprimand from his peers and elders even if both are considered taboo In-Universe, and one of them is a curse that tortures people (which he used before the highly moral McGonagall).
J. K. Rowling said that Harry and his friends were never meant to be saints, they are fallible human beings that make mistakes, get angry and are forced into extreme circumstances, not to mention, the Harry Potter fandom is one of the most notorious and controversial fandoms in recent memory.
What do you say?
Edited by MasterHeroopenInsisting My Immortal is a parody Literature
Reymma changed the last paragraph of the description of Atlanta Nights from:
to:
with the edit reason "Let's not pretend that My Immortal is not parody." The problem is it's not confirmed that My Immortal is parody; Rose Christo claimed she wrote it as satire, but her claims of authorship have been questioned.
openBook blurbs as summaries in work pages Literature
Is using the text of a publicly released book blurb as the story summary on that novel’s page allowed?
openRed links to the Back to the Future novel Literature
Lately, I've been seeing links to the article for George Gipe's novelization of Back to the Future as a Red Link, like so. However, the page itself is still intact. Worried about the page being cut, I took no chances and moved all of the examples from that page to the page for B to the F: The Novelization of the Feature Film in case. I checked the Recent Cuts page, but it's not there. I checkd the Cut List page, but it's not there either. Can someone tell me whether it's actually being cut or not?
Should Literature.Diary Of A Wimpy Kid be split into pages for each book and film? I don't like how everything is all clumped together and we have to preface every example with "in [book]."